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Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-05-2013, 8:40 AM Reply   
This is a great thread to follow for wakesurfers out there...

New manufacturers innovative developments for wake surfing in 2013..

http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=796538
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 10:16 AM Reply   
The Mastercraft X10 Surf Enhancement System



Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 10:21 AM Reply   
The Malibu Surfgate System

Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 10:22 AM Reply   
The Tige Convex System

Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 10:23 AM Reply   
Haven't heard from Supra or Centurion on 2013 enhancements
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 3:04 PM Reply   
Nautique NSS

Old    LR3w8kbrdr            01-06-2013, 3:43 PM Reply   
Nautique def has the clean look going on their setup! That tige contraption is an eyesore imo
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-06-2013, 5:05 PM Reply   
What everyone should focus on is the waves each one produces.After all that's what you surf on.
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-06-2013, 6:16 PM Reply   
I agree on the Tige.. Not to mention some dock rash damage eventually.

Here's Tige's explanation of how it works... They never mention or show a Goofy Side..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxmpSlBjA9w
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-06-2013, 6:45 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jagermeister View Post
I agree on the Tige.. Not to mention some dock rash damage eventually.

Here's Tige's explanation of how it works... They never mention or show a Goofy Side..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxmpSlBjA9w
Look no further than the Wakesurf section.Thread title Wake9 Z3 Three ride on the Convex VX. Three people ride on the same side both Goofy and Regular.Must be a decent and long wave.
Old    JK (justridin)      Join Date: Oct 2002       01-06-2013, 6:45 PM Reply   
Quote:
Nautique def has the clean look going on their setup! That tige contraption is an eyesore imo
Being none too "asthetically pleasing" indicates to me that it actually does something if they went ahead with it anyway. Some of these bolt-on enhancments will prove to be more style than substance. Like some other bolt-ons maybe?
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-07-2013, 2:12 PM Reply   
They all look to try and do the same thing, extend the running length of the hull!
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       01-07-2013, 2:41 PM Reply   
I like all of these. I wonder how long before a boat manufacture makes one of these (Nautique) stop the boat faster like those new jet ski's. Boat brakes.
Old    Robert Garcia (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-07-2013, 5:01 PM Reply   
I think the NSS is pretty cool looking, looks more refined than the malibu system, but that is just impression of looks. I do like that the tige and nautique system are both under the water line. I know with our Z3, you never see the Convex VX unless on the trailer or on the lift. You can kinda see it from the chase boat if you look real hard.
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       01-08-2013, 9:16 AM Reply   
I think the Nautique and Malibu systems delay the intersection of the off side wake from the boat to clean up the surf wake... Looks like the Mastercraft system adds down force to the boat.... And the Tige system extends the LOA of the hull making it a longer hull.....
Old    Jason (corerider)      Join Date: May 2008       01-16-2013, 7:30 AM Reply   
I would really like to know who came up with the system first... We all know Malibu released the Surfgate first, and a few months later Nautique released the NSS. The Surfgate just looks like they rushed it out to be the first to release the new innovation whereas Nautique's system is more refined. It may seem this way because Nautique took more time to refine it and make it "look better".

I haven't personally seen either in action other than videos, and have only physically seen Malibu's version. It just looks like a shadetree add-on someone had an idea on and tried. I guess the only thing that really matters is if it works or not, but for as much as boats cost these days I want items like this to look pleasing as well as work. I'm a Nautique person at heart, but Malibu makes a great looking boat that works. To me the Surfgate just ruins some of those great looks.
Old    Dave O (wakedaveup)      Join Date: May 2012       01-16-2013, 8:22 AM Reply   
Out of curiousity and this isn't a bashing statement, but does anyone have actual "non biased" (might be impossible) input on the Tige system? Am curious to know what that does to the running surface at higher speeds? It doesn't look like something you can just take off or slide out of the way so basically it's either there, or it's not. Being that the hulls were already pre designed for a particular running surface, what does extending that surface do during wakeboard and cruising speeds?
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 9:18 AM Reply   
http://switchbladewake.com/about-us
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 9:18 AM Reply   
alot cheaper then a new boat..
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 9:23 AM Reply   
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Old    Alex Yermolenko (alexair)      Join Date: Oct 2008       01-16-2013, 11:00 AM Reply   
Why use angled photos? One explanation only - visual effect for increase size of wake. So easy to put in vertical position and get tsunami
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 4:15 PM Reply   
nope its for real buddy ,ive never seen a barrel behind the boat yet ,look at these piuctures and see how water is being plowed behind the boat..alot off power..maybe to big for u..
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 4:23 PM Reply   
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Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 4:29 PM Reply   
the switchblade go pretty much go on any boat.it cleans any wake up perfect..
Old    James Harold (jdjjamesz)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-16-2013, 4:50 PM Reply   
its what ever u like ,im sure those new boats make really good wakes to.ive seen the video off chase on the tigi..wake looks good and easy to make the wake, the switchblade is for people that dont want to buy a new boat and want to make a big clean wake for about 3 or 4 grand.ive been happy thats for sure..
Old    Corson Piper (piper907)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-16-2013, 6:35 PM Reply   
I LOVE my switchblade... that is all
Old    Tal Cloud (Kingsriver)      Join Date: Aug 2011       01-16-2013, 8:04 PM Reply   
Anyone have a switchblade on a Sanger? great surf wave but it could always be bigger.
Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       01-17-2013, 9:47 AM Reply   
Haha James, come on, man. We get it, you've got a big wave. We've seen the same pictures a million times since you started riding it. But were 10 pictures really necessary? Bit of a hijack on a thread that was off to a good start.
Old    Travis Q (motogod77)      Join Date: Aug 2008       01-17-2013, 9:58 AM Reply   
Centurion's new Surf System, the FX-22.
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Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-17-2013, 5:32 PM Reply   
Looks like the switchblade adds some serious down force to create the surf wake... Kinda looks like a Malibu wedge on steroids..

What is the technology that centurion is exhibiting this year?
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-18-2013, 1:08 PM Reply   
The Switchblade System


Old    Allan Kendall (Squid)      Join Date: Jun 2012       01-21-2013, 5:26 PM Reply   
James,

No question your wake is sick, I trust Todd for Mendo and he said it was sick and I look forward to surfing it one day if you'll have me.....How is the Goofy side?
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            01-21-2013, 5:53 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by motogod77 View Post
Centurion's new Surf System, the FX-22.
I like that tower!
Old    A.J. West (you_da_man)      Join Date: Sep 2009       01-22-2013, 8:31 PM Reply   
With the switchblade, can you cruise the lake at 25-40mph IF you want to? It appears to always be in some sort of down position and cannot be fully retracted like a wedge in the case of Malibus. Also, the makers of switchblade also recommend you remove the blade if towing more than a couple miles...some people don't want to work to surf. Just putting out some of the possible "cons" to the switchblade since historically it is known that it works well on Centurions.
Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       01-24-2013, 12:31 PM Reply   
How far out do you the tabs extend on the NSS maybe 3ish"?? The slots in it look like they are about 1/4" slots.... Anyone locate or run across any dimensions of the actual tab yet?
Old    Gary Anderson (F725)      Join Date: May 2010       01-25-2013, 3:37 AM Reply   
Not sure how far they NSS tabs extend but I had a chance to ride behind the Nautique 230 last week. Stock ballast... the wave was sick!

Quick regular to goofy wake for transfers. The best part is that you can use the NSS to help adjust the shape and length of the wake.
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       03-18-2013, 5:14 PM Reply   
Partial Installation of Surf Tab on an 08 Xstar....

I still have two each plate stiffners to install...

I'll keep you posted and the developments..

The tabs are 12X16..

Very difficult to install on the Xstar.. A lot of cutting and trimining the plates



Old    JF (inland_surfer)      Join Date: Aug 2002       03-19-2013, 7:23 AM Reply   
After 12 years of promoting wakesurfing - I love it that all the companies are get involved, its good for the industry. Cheers, to all !
Old    Lionel (lionel)      Join Date: Nov 2005       03-19-2013, 9:07 PM Reply   
Generation 2 MC surf tabs on 09 X-Star
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Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       03-20-2013, 7:01 AM Reply   
Nice setup... I was concerned about the full retract position with the 12X9 tabs that you have.. Mine align true to hull extension in retract where your is slightly deflected into the slipstream... How do they work? I haven't tested mine yet..
Old     (CarZin)      Join Date: Feb 2011       03-20-2013, 1:07 PM Reply   
Centurion has announced the 2014 FX44 (I know, my 2013 hasnt even arrived yet). Looks to be a big change. The ballast system is COMPLETELY PUMP AND BAG FREE. Apparently filling and draining via hard ballasts. Who knows what this will do to storage. Not enough details. See the announcement here:

http://www.centurioncrew.com/index.p...e-word-is-out/
Old     (CarZin)      Join Date: Feb 2011       03-20-2013, 1:31 PM Reply   
According to the announcement, it will have more ballast than anything else available (which is around 4500 pounds for the 24 foot enzo sv244)
Old    Lionel (lionel)      Join Date: Nov 2005       03-20-2013, 3:56 PM Reply   
They work well. Parker at MC tells me they might affect the wakeboard wake a bit. We'll see. Only had 750 lb bag. Some hate on the X-Star surf wave, but I've had my best day ever behind a nicely loaded star.
Old     (CarZin)      Join Date: Feb 2011       03-21-2013, 12:10 PM Reply   
I am guessing the new centurion system will be something close to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYJ85CEc2Sw
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       03-21-2013, 8:16 PM Reply   
Anyone else having trouble getting the Centurion Link to open?
Old    Frank Wolter (wofrankwo)      Join Date: Jul 2009       03-21-2013, 9:40 PM Reply   
http://www.centurioncrew.com/ccs_fil.../FX44/FX44.jpg
Old    Brian (viking)      Join Date: Sep 2009       03-22-2013, 11:31 AM Reply   
major issue with the switchblade or wedge on Malibu's is the drag and fuel consumption imo. Yes they help create a nice surf wave but they do it with drag on the back of the boat and therefore the gph has to go up as the powerplant has to work harder to keep speed. The benefits of the Tige and Natique are they can make a great surf wave without the drag.

At least on the Bu's the wedge can be retracted. A retro-fit of the switchblade would be fine if all you were doing is surfing or wakeboarding. That pretty much leaves slalom and cruising out. For some probably just fine but not for others.

Since Malibu has the wedge and surfgate, I wonder how long it will take them to also add the convex attachment too and they can have everything bolted on to the back of the boat

Last edited by viking; 03-22-2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: update info
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       04-07-2013, 6:30 PM Reply   
The plate stiffeners really stabilized these huge surf plates... We'll be water testing it this week....


Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       04-07-2013, 8:32 PM Reply   
Jager, what are the dimensions?
Old    Wake Pro Marine (jagermeister)      Join Date: Sep 2007       04-08-2013, 9:02 AM Reply   
I made these adjustable for testing.. As shown they are 12 wide and 16 long... The Xstar has an unconventionally shaped transom so actuator mounting is difficult.. I wanted the tabs to retract out of the water slip stream when all the way up.. The 2nd gen pic looks like they still project down a bit in the water slip stream which defeats the purpose of the retracted side..
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-05-2013, 6:59 AM Reply   
Interesting new Centurion systems... Ram Fill and CATS system..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF9_-q4TbF8#at=240
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-06-2013, 8:02 AM Reply   

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