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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-29-2017, 5:56 PM Reply   
senate passes Kate's Law & Sanctuary City, Immigration reforms.

Winning!

Pass this Bill in the house!

Toss these "Criminal Roaches" out of our country. Illegals have zero business being here, and these Sanctuary City's that offer safe harbor would now be accountable for not tossing out illegals. That's right if a illegal with a criminal record that was slated to be deported was not turned over to ICE and they were to Hurt, Attack ,Assault you then you could NOW go after the city for damage. I think that's awesome make these city's pay for their policies that hurt Americans ( like Kate Stinely) and protect illegals

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ation-reforms/
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-29-2017, 6:19 PM Reply   
Correction The House passed it the Senate needs to pass it
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 7:18 AM Reply   
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senate passes Kate's Law & Sanctuary City, Immigration reforms.

Winning!

Pass this Bill in the house!

Toss these "Criminal Roaches" out of our country. Illegals have zero business being here, and these Sanctuary City's that offer safe harbor would now be accountable for not tossing out illegals. That's right if a illegal with a criminal record that was slated to be deported was not turned over to ICE and they were to Hurt, Attack ,Assault you then you could NOW go after the city for damage. I think that's awesome make these city's pay for their policies that hurt Americans ( like Kate Stinely) and protect illegals

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ation-reforms/
This could be great news if it gets passed in the senate. Cha-ching! Chalk one up for the taxpayers, security , and the overall good guys.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-30-2017, 9:18 AM Reply   
As a person that does Business in SF and has to pay A special "Business tax" to the city of SF for the privilege! Of doing business in SF I hate that my Tax dollars go to a city that uses my money to fund these Anti American policy's like sanctuary city's.
BTW a bit of Trivia about Kate. She was walking with here Father along the Embaracadero here in SF. A illegal Mexican here in SF that had been deported 5 times, yes that right 5 Times. He had received or stole (it's not clear how he came in possession) of a government workers gun. A Dumb ass government worker had left his or her gun in the car and someone broke into the car and stole a back pack. The back pack had the government workers gun. The 5 time deported illegal Mexican shot and killed Kate right in front of her father. The Illegal Mexican had decided to take up residence in SF for their position on NOT deporting illegals. Question How is harboring criminals legal? How is it American to allow people to break the law and then protect them for doing so.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 10:03 AM Reply   
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As a person that does Business in SF and has to pay A special "Business tax" to the city of SF for the privilege! Of doing business in SF I hate that my Tax dollars go to a city that uses my money to fund these Anti American policy's like sanctuary city's.
BTW a bit of Trivia about Kate. She was walking with here Father along the Embaracadero here in SF. A illegal Mexican here in SF that had been deported 5 times, yes that right 5 Times. He had received or stole (it's not clear how he came in possession) of a government workers gun. A Dumb ass government worker had left his or her gun in the car and someone broke into the car and stole a back pack. The back pack had the government workers gun. The 5 time deported illegal Mexican shot and killed Kate right in front of her father. The Illegal Mexican had decided to take up residence in SF for their position on NOT deporting illegals. Question How is harboring criminals legal? How is it American to allow people to break the law and then protect them for doing so.
They are catering to their base. San Francisco will now have to pay a illegal alien from El Salvador 190k because police called ICE in a recent situation. He had a civil deportation order dating back to 2005.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-30-2017, 10:15 AM Reply   
It just amazes me How we got here? It's like the US has been on such a Entitlement Downward spiral for the last 8-10 years, How did the crazys get such control to make policy's such as sanctuary city's???? I don't blame people for wanting to come to Utopia. I blame politicians for pandering for votes and Not what's good for this country. The same thing as News networks pandering for ratings and pushing false storys
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 3:35 PM Reply   
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It just amazes me How we got here? It's like the US has been on such a Entitlement Downward spiral for the last 8-10 years, How did the crazys get such control to make policy's such as sanctuary city's???? I don't blame people for wanting to come to Utopia. I blame politicians for pandering for votes and Not what's good for this country. The same thing as News networks pandering for ratings and pushing false storys
The goal is to keep the State voting democrat thus moving toward open boarder UN control. You do that by pandering and changing the whole demographics of the state and eventually the country. it is pretty simple really.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-30-2017, 4:29 PM Reply   
Delta: what country that's taken that approach has gotten better. Every country that I have seen that's panderd to the "Have Nots" all while asking the current tax paying folk to pay for the "Have Nots" is regretting it. Why would US citizens think it's going to be any different here.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-10-2017, 3:05 PM Reply   
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The goal is to keep the State voting democrat thus moving toward open boarder UN control. You do that by pandering and changing the whole demographics of the state and eventually the country. it is pretty simple really.
Exactly. All in the name of politics. Democrats will sell out anything and everything.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-30-2017, 12:09 PM Reply   
I dont really get why "Sanctuary " cities want to protect criminal illegals. The pendulum will be swinging back eventually. We need a party to rep the middle class.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-08-2017, 12:34 PM Reply   
It was only a matter of time.. Lets hope for Italy that it is not too late.
https://www.facebook.com/OverpassesF...6830315356297/
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-09-2017, 2:34 PM Reply   
I love how in the comments section people who are Anti "Illegal immigration" are calling these people what they are "INVADERS" and the pro immigration people are screaming "Ratial Profileing"
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       07-10-2017, 12:38 PM Reply   
http://www.kake.com/story/35849637/l...-in-5-killings
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-13-2017, 9:17 AM Reply   
Commies please define. All Obama did was criminalize border crossings to bring up his numbers. When previous leaders slapped the border crossings on hands and returned them across to Mexico without charging a crime. Obama made them criminals. Bush and Clinton returned millions every year without prosecuting. It was called voluntary departure. Formal deportations skyrocketed. He was totally relaxed on illegals already within the system. So you are partially right, but it was only because Obama was a real slimebag to his base supporters the illegals and lied to them. You are partially right for once.. Obama is a sleazebag.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-13-2017, 9:34 AM Reply   
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Commies please define. All Obama did was criminalize border crossings to bring up his numbers. When previous leaders slapped the border crossings on hands and returned them across to Mexico without charging a crime. Obama made them criminals. Bush and Clinton returned millions every year without prosecuting. It was called voluntary departure. Formal deportations skyrocketed. He was totally relaxed on illegals already within the system. So you are partially right, but it was only because Obama was a real slimebag to his base supporters the illegals and lied to them. You are partially right for once.. Obama is a sleazebag.
So Trump is lying then?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-13-2017, 12:26 PM Reply   
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So Trump is lying then?
Get with the facts. Liberals are either Ignorant or Evil.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-13-2017, 2:09 PM Reply   
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Get with the facts. Liberals are either Ignorant or Evil.
What facts? Trump presented facts, Obama deported at record rates. You are either saying Trump is lying or that Obama DID deport at record numbers. Which is it?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-13-2017, 3:34 PM Reply   
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What facts? Trump presented facts, Obama deported at record rates. You are either saying Trump is lying or that Obama DID deport at record numbers. Which is it?
Can you read?
Old    deltahoosier            07-13-2017, 11:31 AM Reply   
Let me ask you this. Why are sanctuary cities allowed to flourish under Obama if he really was deporting more people? Seems counter intuitive.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-13-2017, 12:22 PM Reply   
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Let me ask you this. Why are sanctuary cities allowed to flourish under Obama if he really was deporting more people? Seems counter intuitive.
Good question. Ah the real truth now.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-13-2017, 7:20 PM Reply   
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Let me ask you this. Why are sanctuary cities allowed to flourish under Obama if he really was deporting more people? Seems counter intuitive.
Maybe if millions were flocking to sanctuary cities, then yes. Since they are not, then the answer is no. Nothing counter intuitive about it.
Old    deltahoosier            07-14-2017, 10:23 AM Reply   
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Maybe if millions were flocking to sanctuary cities, then yes. Since they are not, then the answer is no. Nothing counter intuitive about it.
Well, millions of illegals are flocking to them. Look at the voting trends around those cities. The California state government has even passing laws to shelter those illegals from being counted when put in jail for crimes, welfare, education and so on. They don't want people to be able to attach money spent on illegals on the record to be used as a political tool.

Do you realize how many illegals are in this country right now? There are so many in California that the state will never vote Republican again even though the majority of the state land areas are Republican and the state has historically been a Republican state. You think that many hippies migrated from the rest of America?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-14-2017, 11:23 AM Reply   
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Well, millions of illegals are flocking to them. Look at the voting trends around those cities. The California state government has even passing laws to shelter those illegals from being counted when put in jail for crimes, welfare, education and so on. They don't want people to be able to attach money spent on illegals on the record to be used as a political tool.

Do you realize how many illegals are in this country right now? There are so many in California that the state will never vote Republican again even though the majority of the state land areas are Republican and the state has historically been a Republican state. You think that many hippies migrated from the rest of America?
I don't think you understand what a million is. The majority of sanctuary cities are very high rent as well, illegals don't usually have the means to pay that kinda rent. Especially "millions".
Old    deltahoosier            07-14-2017, 1:46 PM Reply   
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I don't think you understand what a million is. The majority of sanctuary cities are very high rent as well, illegals don't usually have the means to pay that kinda rent. Especially "millions".
People will and do shack up and minorities will tend to put even more people into a home to make end meet. It is not uncommon in our area for people making nearly $100,000 a year to shack up because the cost of rent or owning.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-13-2017, 12:46 PM Reply   
Big Big Victory for the American people. Thank You President Trump.

Last edited by deneng; 07-13-2017 at 12:50 PM.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-14-2017, 11:25 AM Reply   
I agree. I would like to know if you Dems believe in the Theory us Right wing nut jobs have. In that we think our Democrat Leaders in states like CA want more and more democratic voters so they can stay in power. That's why they want to import these "Have Nots". Come to America. Become a voting machine. Keep the Dems in power, because they are the party of free hand outs. Tax the working class to death to pay for the "Have Nots"
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-14-2017, 12:16 PM Reply   
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I agree. I would like to know if you Dems believe in the Theory us Right wing nut jobs have. In that we think our Democrat Leaders in states like CA want more and more democratic voters so they can stay in power. That's why they want to import these "Have Nots". Come to America. Become a voting machine. Keep the Dems in power, because they are the party of free hand outs. Tax the working class to death to pay for the "Have Nots"
I would imagine if that was the case that they would try and make everything cheaper in California. But everything is on the rise which is really debunking this entire theory you're cooking up. If anything you're forcing your "poor democratic hand-out receiving" voters out of state.

I'm not a fan of sanctuary cities, but ICE really needs to get their **** together. Those are some sick ****s working there.
Old    deltahoosier            07-14-2017, 1:48 PM Reply   
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I agree. I would like to know if you Dems believe in the Theory us Right wing nut jobs have. In that we think our Democrat Leaders in states like CA want more and more democratic voters so they can stay in power. That's why they want to import these "Have Nots". Come to America. Become a voting machine. Keep the Dems in power, because they are the party of free hand outs. Tax the working class to death to pay for the "Have Nots"
Former gov. Gray Davis was caught on tap in a speech in Mexico stating that he can not wait for Mexico and California to become one giant region. This is while he was still governor. That was one of the nails that helped with the recall election.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-14-2017, 3:42 PM Reply   
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I agree. I would like to know if you Dems believe in the Theory us Right wing nut jobs have. In that we think our Democrat Leaders in states like CA want more and more democratic voters so they can stay in power. That's why they want to import these "Have Nots". Come to America. Become a voting machine. Keep the Dems in power, because they are the party of free hand outs. Tax the working class to death to pay for the "Have Nots"
Why is that a theory? The sole purpose of a politician is to get elected based on representing the people who elect them. That's not really something that is inherently "bad" and can be removed from politics. You have Republicans trying to pass unconstitutional laws to impede the ability of Democrats to vote. You have Republicans gerrymandering voting districts to make sure they reelected. Democrats probably do that as well. But coming from Florida you mostly see it here from the Republican side.

Before Obama was elected the second time you had Republicans in Congress all claiming that they would pass immigration reform to lure the Hispanic voters. But it turned out to be a lie after the election. It's patently absurd to make the accusation that politicians are pandering to their constituents, because that's the whole premise of getting elected.
Old    deltahoosier            07-14-2017, 4:00 PM Reply   
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Why is that a theory? The sole purpose of a politician is to get elected based on representing the people who elect them. That's not really something that is inherently "bad" and can be removed from politics. You have Republicans trying to pass unconstitutional laws to impede the ability of Democrats to vote. You have Republicans gerrymandering voting districts to make sure they reelected. Democrats probably do that as well. But coming from Florida you mostly see it here from the Republican side.

Before Obama was elected the second time you had Republicans in Congress all claiming that they would pass immigration reform to lure the Hispanic voters. But it turned out to be a lie after the election. It's patently absurd to make the accusation that politicians are pandering to their constituents, because that's the whole premise of getting elected.
I don't mind pandering to your constituents. I mind colluding with a country like Mexico to keep sending it's poor to America to create foreign agent voters so America will vote to give Mexico more benefits and eventually remove the border.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-15-2017, 7:14 AM Reply   
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I don't mind pandering to your constituents. I mind colluding with a country like Mexico to keep sending it's poor to America to create foreign agent voters so America will vote to give Mexico more benefits and eventually remove the border.
But you don't care about potential "colluding" with Russia. Interesting.

The rest of your post is pure, unmitigated BS.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-16-2017, 10:40 AM Reply   
Speculative. Paleeze! Wake your so out of touch. Delta is 100% right on when he talks about the 100's at Home Depot parking lots. They are doing NOTHING about them. They are people looking for a better life. I don't blame them. I blame our government for not rounding them up and shipping them back to where they came from. They take work away from legit tax paying company's. Why pay a bonded and insured painting contractor when you can Hire a day worker from Home Depot parking lot to paint your house. I don't hire them never had never will.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-16-2017, 12:34 PM Reply   
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Speculative. Paleeze! Wake your so out of touch. Delta is 100% right on when he talks about the 100's at Home Depot parking lots. They are doing NOTHING about them. They are people looking for a better life. I don't blame them. I blame our government for not rounding them up and shipping them back to where they came from. They take work away from legit tax paying company's. Why pay a bonded and insured painting contractor when you can Hire a day worker from Home Depot parking lot to paint your house. I don't hire them never had never will.
You really think the "100's" of illegals at Home Depot are why people are losing jobs? LOL. I've heard it all now.
Old    deltahoosier            07-18-2017, 3:03 PM Reply   
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You really think the "100's" of illegals at Home Depot are why people are losing jobs? LOL. I've heard it all now.
They have taken over much of the construction industry too. I had a union sheet rock guy lay the whole thing out for me at one time. The union loves them. They usually don't come back for the retirement so they pocket the money. In the mean time, the American worker gets the shaft.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-18-2017, 5:47 PM Reply   
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They have taken over much of the construction industry too. I had a union sheet rock guy lay the whole thing out for me at one time. The union loves them. They usually don't come back for the retirement so they pocket the money. In the mean time, the American worker gets the shaft.
Ahh yes, the Union guy who is paying them under the table? Whose fault is it now? Why don't we put those guys in prison? AND you're absolutely right they don't pick up their retirement, that's where we benefit from them. They pay into social security and don't get a dime of it.
Old    deltahoosier            07-19-2017, 9:55 AM Reply   
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Ahh yes, the Union guy who is paying them under the table? Whose fault is it now? Why don't we put those guys in prison? AND you're absolutely right they don't pick up their retirement, that's where we benefit from them. They pay into social security and don't get a dime of it.
The company is paying for social security. So here is your time to pick a direction and come into the light. Either they do put in a significant amount of money which justifies there are many more of them than the left will admit or they don't?

If they are working at social security generating jobs, then why do the left keep saying the are only doing jobs that American's will not do? Farm labor does not have social security removed.

If they are working social security generating jobs, that means they have ID of some sort (illegally) so what makes people think they are not voting to help get the law off their backs? It is easy to register to vote and even easier if they have a fake social security number.

I agree too. If the employers are paying them like that, they should be held accountable. Except when they are in sanctuary cities and states like california who are trying to erase any data collection on these folks.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-16-2017, 1:07 PM Reply   
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Speculative. Paleeze! Wake your so out of touch. Delta is 100% right on when he talks about the 100's at Home Depot parking lots. They are doing NOTHING about them. They are people looking for a better life. I don't blame them. I blame our government for not rounding them up and shipping them back to where they came from. They take work away from legit tax paying company's. Why pay a bonded and insured painting contractor when you can Hire a day worker from Home Depot parking lot to paint your house. I don't hire them never had never will.
We have 30 to 40 always in the parking lot, but that does count the ones out there being picked up and working. I know you have a higher concentration out where you are at. I am sure they would rather get cash rather then working in the fields. It is a mess here in California. I really try not to pay to much attention because our politicians won't do anything. If someone works at my house i tell them in advance that i want to see green cards. I have had no problems by doing this. If i don't tell them in advance it's really hard for me to say anything.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-17-2017, 5:11 AM Reply   
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Speculative. Paleeze! Wake your so out of touch. Delta is 100% right on when he talks about the 100's at Home Depot parking lots. They are doing NOTHING about them. They are people looking for a better life. I don't blame them. I blame our government for not rounding them up and shipping them back to where they came from. They take work away from legit tax paying company's. Why pay a bonded and insured painting contractor when you can Hire a day worker from Home Depot parking lot to paint your house. I don't hire them never had never will.
To say that countless illegal aliens can live in the higher cost of living cities because they are "paid cash" is speculative. And ignorant, as well.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-16-2017, 12:42 PM Reply   
40Billion is such a deal. Build 2 walls and a moat. If we could just get 20 million to leave.
http://freedomlibertynews.com/illega...illegals-left/
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-16-2017, 12:47 PM Reply   
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40Billion is such a deal. Build 2 walls and a moat. If we could just get 20 million to leave.
http://freedomlibertynews.com/illega...illegals-left/
Again, you don't understand that picture. It doesn't take into account the amount of money illegals pay IN without receiving anything. We have been over this many times.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-16-2017, 12:58 PM Reply   
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Again, you don't understand that picture. It doesn't take into account the amount of money illegals pay IN without receiving anything. We have been over this many times.
You are so clueless dude. I don't know where you are from, but we have classrooms full of kids here in California where most of the kids do not speak one word of English. My wife and are both on the inside and see it all. Hospitals and the school systems are in big trouble. I could go on and on. You just keep living with your head in the sand though.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-16-2017, 2:29 PM Reply   
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You are so clueless dude. I don't know where you are from, but we have classrooms full of kids here in California where most of the kids do not speak one word of English. My wife and are both on the inside and see it all. Hospitals and the school systems are in big trouble. I could go on and on. You just keep living with your head in the sand though.
What's the issue with that? Did I miss something? I would say 95% of those kids are citizens of the country. You wanna start changing the constitution now? DEPORT THOSE CITIZENS.

The inside of what? Prison? School?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-16-2017, 4:39 PM Reply   
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What's the issue with that? Did I miss something? I would say 95% of those kids are citizens of the country. You wanna start changing the constitution now? DEPORT THOSE CITIZENS.

The inside of what? Prison? School?
Here you go 2 million kids under the age of 18 with illegal alien parents. That is a report from the Commie central . University of California.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15910/...-james-barrett
No i do not want to change the Constitution. I wan't a real border.

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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-16-2017, 8:32 PM Reply   
Fantastic! I just think we have different opinions on how to get the job done. We need to bring back immigration numbers for awhile until we get the illegal immigrants under control. Stricter immigration policies are just words. We have laws in place now. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but do you think the illegal [not to many legal aliens sneak across the border] will stop and consider our immigration policies? They are discussing exciting ways to secure the border. Lets see the final plan before we conclude that it is impossible. I myself worry about animals crossing. It can be done. Real Wake the kids tax out healthcare , schools and social services. California or bust. I would say bust pretty soon.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-17-2017, 8:05 AM Reply   
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Fantastic! I just think we have different opinions on how to get the job done. We need to bring back immigration numbers for awhile until we get the illegal immigrants under control. Stricter immigration policies are just words. We have laws in place now. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but do you think the illegal [not to many legal aliens sneak across the border] will stop and consider our immigration policies? They are discussing exciting ways to secure the border. Lets see the final plan before we conclude that it is impossible. I myself worry about animals crossing. It can be done. Real Wake the kids tax out healthcare , schools and social services. California or bust. I would say bust pretty soon.
I guarantee you they won't. But do you think an unmanned wall will? They will have to pay people not only to build the wall but also patrol it, and they currently can't even get people to sign up to be ICE agents because of the ****ty pay, and the ones that do sign up are ****ing nutjobs. The cost of the wall just continues to go up, and he is planning on cutting taxes. How is that going to get paid for while he continues to spend like there isn't a limit? Solar! Pay off just the building of the wall off in 97 years, that is the calculation for the lower price of his solar wall.

How do you stop the people who buy a $150 plane ticket across the border? Stop all travel from Mexico?

Do we try and get Mexico to outlaw ladders?

I'm all for stricter immigration, but I don't think a $40 billion wall is going to change all that much in the equation outside of the US having $40 billion less we could have used on something important stuff like veterans or paying police more, but Republicans don't care about that kind of stuff(at least the people you vote for don't).
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-17-2017, 9:28 AM Reply   
I disagree that our border agents are nutjobs and would not be able to do the job like you say. I do not believe that they would just get on a plane and ride over for 150 dollars. Why would someone pay 5 grand and cross the rugged dangerous peril when they could jump on a plane. I do believe that if they believe it was say 3 times more difficult to cross the boarder that many would not even try. They would save that 5 grand that they pay a coyote and try to make a better life. That money is not refunded back from the coyote.
They could easily pay for the wall in a six months from the savings that our taxpayers would no longer have to cover for Social, healthcare, incarceration and education. If the new security system was free and say we only needed to hire 20 percent more ICE agents to lockdown the border would you be for it ?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-17-2017, 4:09 PM Reply   
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I disagree that our border agents are nutjobs and would not be able to do the job like you say. I do not believe that they would just get on a plane and ride over for 150 dollars. Why would someone pay 5 grand and cross the rugged dangerous peril when they could jump on a plane. I do believe that if they believe it was say 3 times more difficult to cross the boarder that many would not even try. They would save that 5 grand that they pay a coyote and try to make a better life. That money is not refunded back from the coyote.
They could easily pay for the wall in a six months from the savings that our taxpayers would no longer have to cover for Social, healthcare, incarceration and education. If the new security system was free and say we only needed to hire 20 percent more ICE agents to lockdown the border would you be for it ?
All of that would be more than offset by the amount of money that illegals contribute to the US economy each year. Do you want to look somewhere else for those "savings"?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-17-2017, 4:45 PM Reply   
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I disagree that our border agents are nutjobs and would not be able to do the job like you say. I do not believe that they would just get on a plane and ride over for 150 dollars. Why would someone pay 5 grand and cross the rugged dangerous peril when they could jump on a plane. I do believe that if they believe it was say 3 times more difficult to cross the boarder that many would not even try. They would save that 5 grand that they pay a coyote and try to make a better life. That money is not refunded back from the coyote.
They could easily pay for the wall in a six months from the savings that our taxpayers would no longer have to cover for Social, healthcare, incarceration and education. If the new security system was free and say we only needed to hire 20 percent more ICE agents to lockdown the border would you be for it ?
Dude, you are on crack if you think the country eats $40 billion every 6 months of immigrants. Do some research on how much illegals pay in and don't get anything back.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...nts-pay-taxes/

Read and weep. This is what I meant by how completely ****ed your right wing article was that you posted.

Considering Trump said he wanted to TRIPLE the amount of ICE agents we currently have, your 20% is a bit off. The "security system" isn't free, which is why I want the money that would go into the wall to go into something that actually works. Not a wall in the middle of nowhere thats basically impossible to pass anyways.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-18-2017, 9:48 AM Reply   
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Dude, you are on crack if you think the country eats $40 billion every 6 months of immigrants. Do some research on how much illegals pay in and don't get anything back.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...nts-pay-taxes/

Read and weep. This is what I meant by how completely ****ed your right wing article was that you posted.

Considering Trump said he wanted to TRIPLE the amount of ICE agents we currently have, your 20% is a bit off. The "security system" isn't free, which is why I want the money that would go into the wall to go into something that actually works. Not a wall in the middle of nowhere thats basically impossible to pass anyways.
Please answer my question... Thank You very much. I know it is not free to build the wall, but if it was free would you say yes or no?
Let me see. I have a calculator. You say the illegals pay 12 billion in taxes and get the short end of the stick. So that means the U.S. workers and taxpayers are ripping of the poor illegal alien. I am sorry I was wrong and you were right. Dude I #%*^ up. Sorry my bad.
I am so sorry. You are right. Lets see here. Hmm...........

The illegals pay in 12 Billion for taxes and you say they are ripped off. You must be right.
12 Billion and they get.
1. 1.2 billion per year for incarceration. Yes you are right. They are totally ripped off.
Oh wait there is more. How can that be. Real Wake said they get nothing in return. Well it can't be much. Right?
2. Try 7.5 billion on medicaid . That's reimbersment for medical care.
3. 12 billion per year for illegal alien children for primary and secondary education. Should we
throw that out because liberals think education should be free?
4. 27 billion for education of all American born children born to illegal aliens. Dude this is
starting to add up. That must be all they get.
5. 14 to 22 billion each year on Welfare to illegal aliens.
6. 200 billion dollars per year for suppressed American Wages.
61.7 Billion plus the Suppressed wages lost by American workers.
That liberal calculator must be broken Real Wake. Get a new one. We can build 2 walls and
and a moat in about a year in 3 months..
So if a wall was free what is your answer now?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-18-2017, 10:10 AM Reply   
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Please answer my question... Thank You very much. I know it is not free to build the wall, but if it was free would you say yes or no?
Let me see. I have a calculator. You say the illegals pay 12 billion in taxes and get the short end of the stick. So that means the U.S. workers and taxpayers are ripping of the poor illegal alien. I am sorry I was wrong and you were right. Dude I #%*^ up. Sorry my bad.
I am so sorry. You are right. Lets see here. Hmm...........

The illegals pay in 12 Billion for taxes and you say they are ripped off. You must be right.
12 Billion and they get.
1. 1.2 billion per year for incarceration. Yes you are right. They are totally ripped off.
Oh wait there is more. How can that be. Real Wake said they get nothing in return. Well it can't be much. Right?
2. Try 7.5 billion on medicaid . That's reimbersment for medical care.
3. 12 billion per year for illegal alien children for primary and secondary education. Should we
throw that out because liberals think education should be free?
4. 27 billion for education of all American born children born to illegal aliens. Dude this is
starting to add up. That must be all they get.
5. 14 to 22 billion each year on Welfare to illegal aliens.
6. 200 billion dollars per year for suppressed American Wages.
61.7 Billion plus the Suppressed wages lost by American workers.
That liberal calculator must be broken Real Wake. Get a new one. We can build 2 walls and
and a moat in about a year in 3 months..
So if a wall was free what is your answer now?
Those are some incredible facts. Even more incredible that $7.5 billion goes to them in Medicaid even though they're not eligible to receive it. Oh, that's right, it's made up.

27 billion? I have no idea where you even got that number but now you're talking about US citizens, not illegal aliens.

14-22 billion on welfare? Another fantastic fact considering they're not eligible for any of those programs.

200 billion in suppressed American wages? Working jobs 90% Americans won't do.

So again, I don't know how else to explain this, you're just wrong on those numbers. I think illegal immigration is an issue, but these are just bull**** numbers. If you're looking at money as a reason why it's an issue I would look elsewhere.

If the wall was free then go ahead and build it. I would be in favor of the wall if Trump wasn't cutting taxes. It would put people to work. But building a wall while cutting taxes is just an idiotic idea.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-18-2017, 10:42 AM Reply   
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Those are some incredible facts. Even more incredible that $7.5 billion goes to them in Medicaid even though they're not eligible to receive it. Oh, that's right, it's made up.

27 billion? I have no idea where you even got that number but now you're talking about US citizens, not illegal aliens.

14-22 billion on welfare? Another fantastic fact considering they're not eligible for any of those programs.

200 billion in suppressed American wages? Working jobs 90% Americans won't do.

So again, I don't know how else to explain this, you're just wrong on those numbers. I think illegal immigration is an issue, but these are just bull**** numbers. If you're looking at money as a reason why it's an issue I would look elsewhere.

If the wall was free then go ahead and build it. I would be in favor of the wall if Trump wasn't cutting taxes. It would put people to work. But building a wall while cutting taxes is just an idiotic idea.
Now i see where you get your logic from. By ignoring the facts. By the way those are low numbers I quoted. There are much much higher numbers out there.

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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-17-2017, 10:13 AM Reply   
I think Led Zepplin sang it best. The Immigrant song.
Old    deltahoosier            07-19-2017, 1:57 PM Reply   
Free tuition is not welfare? That is money that is leaving our public ran institutions and given slots to people who could pay for that slot. Drivers license are tracked and a product is made for every single one. That is labor that has be to on the books to do the record keeping. That is more money out of the treasury.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-21-2017, 10:50 AM Reply   
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=socialnetwork
I hope those are liberals Social Security numbers that were stolen by illegals. Maybe they would take more interest in the security of our nation.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-21-2017, 12:39 PM Reply   
So how many of these illegal alien crimes can you recall?
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-27-2017, 9:36 AM Reply   
Here is a little more of proof of Obamas intentions. "When you vote you are a citizen"
Old    deltahoosier            07-27-2017, 2:41 PM Reply   
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Here is a little more of proof of Obamas intentions. "When you vote you are a citizen"
Yep again. The right has been saying this for years inside California. They fought the drivers license voter regesitration bill and they fought the drivers license for illegals specifically for these reasons. Now you are seeing the ground work for the federal version of this. Remember the democrats purpose is to remove the US borders.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-27-2017, 5:38 PM Reply   
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Yep again. The right has been saying this for years inside California. They fought the drivers license voter regesitration bill and they fought the drivers license for illegals specifically for these reasons. Now you are seeing the ground work for the federal version of this. Remember the democrats purpose is to remove the US borders.
No, that it conservative nut job's idea of the "democrats purpose".
Old    deltahoosier            07-27-2017, 5:46 PM Reply   
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No, that it conservative nut job's idea of the "democrats purpose".
maybe so, but I just do not see Republicans burning down towns, trying to get illegals equal access to government funds, allowing them to vote, selling American jobs and taxes to third world countries in the name of the environment and so on. We always seem to have to try and fight off the democrats from doing that. So you tell me what the democrat purpose is?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-28-2017, 6:04 AM Reply   
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maybe so, but I just do not see Republicans burning down towns, trying to get illegals equal access to government funds, allowing them to vote, selling American jobs and taxes to third world countries in the name of the environment and so on. We always seem to have to try and fight off the democrats from doing that. So you tell me what the democrat purpose is?
Democrats aren't "burning down towns". Those are people that break the law and likely never vote anyway. You are delusional if you think the GOP is not just as culpable in shipping jobs overseas.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-28-2017, 11:48 AM Reply   
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I am not delusional to think the Republicans would not move jobs offshore. I just don't see them campaigning to do so under fake science. What I see Republicans doing is reacting to circumstances which I see as an honest approach. It is not agenda based. The goal is to keep the companies lights on. If the government makes the ability to do business non profitable in an area, the company should leave. I don't like it, but I understand. That is different than a fundamental policy of spreading the wealth to the rest of the world and then selling the public on agenda based science to convince them to vote their rights and jobs away.
The leading Republican using offshore manufacturing is trump and his family. Most all his trump ties and suits are made in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, his daughters dress company, again made in China. But he stands on the podium shouting everyone else should support USA. Is that making america great? Lip service. Fake news? Do as I say, not as I do? Honest? Its obvious china manufacturing helps a company survive and and perhaps the only way some can be profitable, I can understand that. Quit lying about it and berating others.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/tru...he-u-s-a-spin/
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-29-2017, 1:01 PM Reply   
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The leading Republican using offshore manufacturing is trump and his family. Most all his trump ties and suits are made in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, his daughters dress company, again made in China. But he stands on the podium shouting everyone else should support USA. Is that making america great? Lip service. Fake news? Do as I say, not as I do? Honest? Its obvious china manufacturing helps a company survive and and perhaps the only way some can be profitable, I can understand that. Quit lying about it and berating others.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/tru...he-u-s-a-spin/
Let me respond on Delta's behalf since he won't touch this one... If a democrat were to do it it would be because they "hate america" and want to sell us to the China (and the UN somehow too I'm sure). But since there's an R by Trump's name it's just good business and "everyone does it" so he'd be stupid not to take advantage.
Old    deltahoosier            08-08-2017, 1:08 PM Reply   
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Let me respond on Delta's behalf since he won't touch this one... If a democrat were to do it it would be because they "hate america" and want to sell us to the China (and the UN somehow too I'm sure). But since there's an R by Trump's name it's just good business and "everyone does it" so he'd be stupid not to take advantage.
To bad you are not smart enough to see the difference between advocating policy vs the reality in front of your business.
Old    deltahoosier            08-08-2017, 1:06 PM Reply   
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The leading Republican using offshore manufacturing is trump and his family. Most all his trump ties and suits are made in China, Bangladesh, Mexico, his daughters dress company, again made in China. But he stands on the podium shouting everyone else should support USA. Is that making america great? Lip service. Fake news? Do as I say, not as I do? Honest? Its obvious china manufacturing helps a company survive and and perhaps the only way some can be profitable, I can understand that. Quit lying about it and berating others.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/tru...he-u-s-a-spin/
There is a difference. It is stupid to buy what for more expensive when you can buy for cheaper if it does the same purpose. I support anyone to buy the product that is available to them that will help their lives.

It is another to support policy that allows that to happen at the expense of the American Worker. I have said it more than once that money has no loyalty. I don't blame the money nor the people who spend it. If the playing field dictates that you have to go over seas for your business to survive, then go over seas. That is the playing field that the businesses are given. I blame the politicians and their open boarders/ spread the wealth push for this. Part tools they use is the fake global warming hoax to push policy to make it more expensive to manufacture in the US.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       08-09-2017, 2:35 PM Reply   
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There is a difference. It is stupid to buy what for more expensive when you can buy for cheaper if it does the same purpose. I support anyone to buy the product that is available to them that will help their lives.

It is another to support policy that allows that to happen at the expense of the American Worker. I have said it more than once that money has no loyalty. I don't blame the money nor the people who spend it. If the playing field dictates that you have to go over seas for your business to survive, then go over seas. That is the playing field that the businesses are given. I blame the politicians and their open boarders/ spread the wealth push for this. Part tools they use is the fake global warming hoax to push policy to make it more expensive to manufacture in the US.
I agree 100% money has no loyalty and most smart businesses will go for the less expensive alternative to increase profits, simple biz 101. The issue you are skating around is that trump is telling all that they are un American and they must support usa while he personally and his businesses are doing the opposite. He is giving HIS POLICY, the backbone of his make America great again campaign the middle finger. So is he a hypocrite? or a liar?
Old    deltahoosier            08-09-2017, 4:08 PM Reply   
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I agree 100% money has no loyalty and most smart businesses will go for the less expensive alternative to increase profits, simple biz 101. The issue you are skating around is that trump is telling all that they are un American and they must support usa while he personally and his businesses are doing the opposite. He is giving HIS POLICY, the backbone of his make America great again campaign the middle finger. So is he a hypocrite? or a liar?
Or congress (who makes the laws) has to preform action. What are you if those who actually do the work won't do the work?

As far as the skating. I know enough in my life to recognize that sound bites from the media are not everything someone has said and feels in this world. There is zero way for you to know what Trump has said and to who and what context.

He could be a liar. He could be handcuffed by congress. He could be telling the truth. You or I really have no way of telling. It is all in how it is presented. All I can do is look for success or failure at the end of some period.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-29-2017, 1:29 PM Reply   
Here is more proof that the commie liars like Real Wake do not want you to know about. If you ask them their response is that illegal aliens are not eligible. What they do not want the American public to know is that they get it anyway.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/re...rticle/2556114
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-08-2017, 10:09 AM Reply   
Watched this the other day. CNN's Jim got himself a souvenir.
https://www.facebook.com/numbersusa/...1092704947419/
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-08-2017, 12:50 PM Reply   
This guy Jim Acosta sounds like have the libra-Tards on this site. Talking points and fake outrage that they have no clue about,
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-10-2017, 12:18 PM Reply   
In what universe is that flat? Good god man. Your graph is also missing about the last 7-9 years.

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Old    deltahoosier            08-10-2017, 3:05 PM Reply   
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In what universe is that flat? Good god man. Your graph is also missing about the last 7-9 years.
from 2000 to 2010 was flat and declining. This was all in the wake of Al Gore selling the world on his scam.

This has been talked about since the 1990's. We are 20 years into this talk and I don't know about you but not a single thing in our life is different except more government control.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            08-10-2017, 3:13 PM Reply   
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from 2000 to 2010 was flat and declining. This was all in the wake of Al Gore selling the world on his scam.

This has been talked about since the 1990's. We are 20 years into this talk and I don't know about you but not a single thing in our life is different except more government control.
The Graph shows an incline in temperature, and you're basing your argument off 10 years. You didn't take a stats class either I would imagine.
Old    deltahoosier            08-10-2017, 4:11 PM Reply   
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The Graph shows an incline in temperature, and you're basing your argument off 10 years. You didn't take a stats class either I would imagine.
Nope. No stats class. Point is, according to the models we were supposed to be climbing during that time. We did not.

Answer my question. What has changed in your life in the last 20 years in the environment? I can't say that I have seen anything around California that has changed except more people, higher prices, fake global warming control price increases and more government control.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-10-2017, 6:24 PM Reply   
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Nope. No stats class. Point is, according to the models we were supposed to be climbing during that time. We did not.

Answer my question. What has changed in your life in the last 20 years in the environment? I can't say that I have seen anything around California that has changed except more people, higher prices, fake global warming control price increases and more government control.
Dude, if what I showed you doesn't alarm you, I don't know what will. There are too many people on this planet, and it's a problem that's only getting worse. The US is willing to ruin freshwater supplies for the sake of this BS "energy independence" we always here about. The seas are continuing to rise and you think all of this damage we have caused to this planet is going to just magically fix itself, like the massive deforestation occurring. "Oh, we can plant a couple of trees between a couple of the new concrete skyscrapers to replace the 10,000 that were just cut down and everything is groovy". The one thing I'll somewhat agree with you right-wingers is we can't control Mother Nature. Humans will wipe themselves out and this planet will eventually heal itself.

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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       08-10-2017, 1:50 PM Reply   
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As far as the skating. I know enough in my life to recognize that sound bites from the media are not everything someone has said and feels in this world. There is zero way for you to know what Trump has said and to who and what context.
Not sure if I follow you but...it is not a sound bite. It is the theme of his campaign, its on those silly red trucker hats, Make America Great Again. But instead trump outsources to Mexico, China, Bangladesh....and belittles those that are doing the same.

Difficult not to believe the facts re climate change...no matter your political leaning. However, they need a better speaker than al gore. Gore like trump leads by terrible example. it is almost as if they could not have picked a worse spokeshole. The sequel was recently released...
http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/...ef5cab031.html

Gore continues to abuse. George W. is kicking his ass.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-Gor...gy_080217.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
Old    deltahoosier            08-10-2017, 4:29 PM Reply   
https://foresight.org/some-historical-perspective/

Fun perspective on all time temperature and human development that this person discusses.
Old    deltahoosier            08-11-2017, 9:37 AM Reply   
Another for you Jeremy:

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png[/IMG]

See our little uptick that has you coming out of your dress? It is actually still lower than it was 7000 years ago and not much different than the other temperature cycles through history. And guess what? Humans were not driving hummers!!

With clear evidence of historical temperature data, I can only conclude the willful ignorance and wanting to turn over our economy to world leaders is done on purpose. It is just like the democrats always calling illegals aliens, immigrants. It is done on purpose to keep the destruction or our society on it's path. That is why democrats are dangerous.
Old    deltahoosier            08-11-2017, 9:46 AM Reply   
This is the trend that has you wanting to give away everything you have to the centralized government

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This is since the last ice age

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This is 800,000 years.

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Of the data, what about it thinks that you have control of it?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       08-16-2017, 8:45 AM Reply   
LOL, here I am agreeing with Delta again. The no spill gas can is the worst invention in history.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       08-16-2017, 2:14 PM Reply   
X3, LOL X2. I only use old gas cans.

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