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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-20-2020, 11:51 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by markj View Post
Yeah I was actually serious when I posted that. No one who has any critical thinking abilities and/or who isnít totally evil can be a libtard.
Looks like we have a qualifier.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-20-2020, 1:46 PM Reply   
So we can all agree those officers were under attack. 42 officers injured I believe and 18 hospitalized , one with broken eye socket who still can’t see as of today’s and has been told could be blinded permanently. Another who’s kneecap was broken and his ACL destroyed. Why were these officers not decked out in riot gear to Help prevent any of this? Oh that’s right people like 95SN claim the police are too intimidating and militaristic in riot gear , they’re offended by seeing officers protecting themselves from possible violence. The pure sight of officers in gear “triggers” protestors to violence . So instead of telling the pussy protestors “ you don’t like it don’t come protest “ what do they do? They send officers out there with no way to defend themselves in hopes protestors are bit offended by sending a minimal amount with no equipment and expect them to stand there unprotected for 8 hrs being spit on and screamed out the entire time.


Here is the response from the highest ranking politico in Chicago. So you tell me how anyone can support her. She blames police for inciting the crowd into violence. Tell me how any of that makes sense.


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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-20-2020, 5:51 PM Reply   
Suppose the fact the family of federal judge that was just assigned a portion of Epstein’s trial was shot/ attacked at their home has no relation to the left either? They don’t even try and hide it anymore.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5470403002

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-20-2020, 6:01 PM Reply   
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Suppose the fact the family of federal judge that was just assigned a portion of Epsteinís trial was shot/ attacked at their home has no relation to the left either? They donít even try and hide it anymore.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5470403002
The shooter was an self described anti-feminist lawyer, kinda sounds more right than lefty, surely?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-20-2020, 6:36 PM Reply   
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Looks like we have a qualifier.
Still blistered by the fact youíre a known liar here, I see. BTW, thatís a life sentence. Enjoy, liar.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-20-2020, 6:59 PM Reply   
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And that's one of the biggest problems with "the right" ascribing the worst possible interpretation to an opinion you disagree with.
So... how do you suppose we ascribe the actions of those in Seattle, Portland, Chicago or fill in whatever blank libtard city/state? Just turn on CNN and watch them call riots ďpeaceful protests.Ē Weíre talkin straight up bald faced lies on the daily that come out of every facet of the msm whether itís riots, Kung Flu stats or the economy. Oh and letís not forget the libtard, black prosecutor who is prosecuting the white couple who were protecting their house from rioters who broke down the gates and trespassed our their property and threatened to kill them (and their dog). Or how bout the NYT article about to come out which is said to dox Tucker Carlsonís home address? How is that not evil? Especially after the Anqueefa fags already paid his wife and kids a visit at their last house when he was at work!

This is all straight up EVIL and that is all the left is good for any more. Pure evil. Who plots against and attacks cops? The generation of people who all have trophies for mediocrity and participation is who. The generation of people who are the first generation of people who were 100% educated by full-on libtard socialist public school teachers. Thatís who. An entire generation of people whoíve been taught that America is bad and needs to apologize and make reparations to a group of people whose culture gloriies every part of what tears a family apart.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-20-2020, 7:11 PM Reply   
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So we can all agree those officers were under attack. 42 officers injured I believe and 18 hospitalized , one with broken eye socket who still canít see as of todayís and has been told could be blinded permanently. Another whoís kneecap was broken and his ACL destroyed. Why were these officers not decked out in riot gear to Help prevent any of this? Oh thatís right people like 95SN claim the police are too intimidating and militaristic in riot gear , theyíre offended by seeing officers protecting themselves from possible violence. The pure sight of officers in gear ďtriggersĒ protestors to violence . So instead of telling the pussy protestors ď you donít like it donít come protest ď what do they do? They send officers out there with no way to defend themselves in hopes protestors are bit offended by sending a minimal amount with no equipment and expect them to stand there unprotected for 8 hrs being spit on and screamed out the entire time.


Here is the response from the highest ranking politico in Chicago. So you tell me how anyone can support her. She blames police for inciting the crowd into violence. Tell me how any of that makes sense.


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All you gotta do is watch the video and then you can really see what a POS 95sn is. Iím talkin a total waste of blood and oxygen. Just a matter of time before we see vigilantes balancing the scales of justice. Woulda been nice to see a sniper or ten take out all those democrats throwing stuff at the cops. So frustrating to watch those cops have to take it without fighting back.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-21-2020, 1:20 AM Reply   
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So... how do you suppose we ascribe the actions of those in Seattle, Portland, Chicago or fill in whatever blank libtard city/state? Just turn on CNN and watch them call riots ďpeaceful protests.Ē Weíre talkin straight up bald faced lies on the daily that come out of every facet of the msm whether itís riots, Kung Flu stats or the economy. Oh and letís not forget the libtard, black prosecutor who is prosecuting the white couple who were protecting their house from rioters who broke down the gates and trespassed our their property and threatened to kill them (and their dog). Or how bout the NYT article about to come out which is said to dox Tucker Carlsonís home address? How is that not evil? Especially after the Anqueefa fags already paid his wife and kids a visit at their last house when he was at work!

This is all straight up EVIL and that is all the left is good for any more. Pure evil. Who plots against and attacks cops? The generation of people who all have trophies for mediocrity and participation is who. The generation of people who are the first generation of people who were 100% educated by full-on libtard socialist public school teachers. Thatís who. An entire generation of people whoíve been taught that America is bad and needs to apologize and make reparations to a group of people whose culture gloriies every part of what tears a family apart.
Its mental illness, i really beleive the left, and extreme left have some sort of imbalance. I dont know anyone who would attack a police officer, or burn down building, shoot children, or shoot anyone, break into peoples private property, loot local stores, burn grocery stores, and other places of business, or burn down churches, smash cars. I will say, all the graffiti truly shows the nature of the people who live there. They must not like their city, their community, their neighbors or neighborhood or one would think, they would not destroy it.

Can you imagine being hit with a frozen water bottle in the head, it could kill you. Or imagine people ransacking your local grocery store, blowing up your target, burning down all the public office buildings that service and employee the people living in the city they live in too! madness
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-21-2020, 4:16 AM Reply   
The only solution to these riots and attacks on police and property is to lock these democrats up. They need to be removed from the streets. One by one, their removal will slowly deescalate the daily/nightly violence and make the streets safe again. Either that or shoot to kill anyone attacking police.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 5:39 AM Reply   
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Of course there will be some who lose. My guess it will be a pharma CEO and a few others. Docs and nurses around the world have it figured out. All are employed. We are taking out the middle man and their 34M per year salaries. You dont seem to realize the USA is one of the very few developed countries that do not have national healthcare. It works everywhere. The more insured the higher the cost...but not per person. Per person drops. Remember all the times you talked about the death squads that would be making the decision who dies if Obamacare passed? Well FYI, they are happening today because of covid and not enough hospital room. Doctors are deciding who lives and who dies. Refrigerated trucks parked behind hospitals to hold the overflow of dead.
I brought my big bad 55 lb. Chocolate Pit home from the vet Monday. She had a little bump i wanted removed. Thought it would be just a little incision with a local anesthesia. They put her out, IV, 7 inch vertical scar down her side, found a couple more things on her foot, two more cuts and stitches, hey, while shes out we could clean her teeth? She needs her rabies shot. $1335.61 was our total. I hadnt spent a penny on her for the last 4 years. Shes lucky i like her.
You have to realize we are also one of the few republics in the world. We have in independent states and those states do indeed have healthcare such as California.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:15 AM Reply   
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Uh huh sure. Is that why per capita the US spends twice what other developed nations do?

Pop quiz, do you think it's a great idea to have your healthcare tied to your employment status? So you know when a pandemic happens which has economic shock attached all of a sudden 20% of the population are unemployed and have no healthcare. Oh yeah that sounds like American exceptionalism all right.
Our healthcare is not tied to anything. Anyone at any time can go down the emergency room and get treatment. If I go to MY doctor and I need immediate medical they will send me down to the emergency room just like anyone walking off the street. Same treatment.

If anyone wants preventative care, every state has a free program. It is just people don't like socialized medicine because it is not convienent as private so they are trying to tear down private so they think they can have the same response. Even Germany that everyone loves to talk about has private insurance because the public option is slow and not as good as private.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:22 AM Reply   
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So, Delta, you also believe it's a baby at conception?
Don't know what to think about it. The legal discussion is about when is it considered a human life. at 6 weeks it has absolute scientific unique 1 in a billions individual characteristics that will be with it as a unique individual until the day it dies. Don't try and pin me down. You are the one for genocide not me.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:25 AM Reply   
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Uh huh sure. Is that why per capita the US spends twice what other developed nations do?

Pop quiz, do you think it's a great idea to have your healthcare tied to your employment status? So you know when a pandemic happens which has economic shock attached all of a sudden 20% of the population are unemployed and have no healthcare. Oh yeah that sounds like American exceptionalism all right.
Also, so. The US has way more money and standards than most of the developed nations. China and India are developed. How much do they spend per person? Kind of changes the curve in these discussions doesn't it?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:31 AM Reply   
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if so worried about deaths... why do you keep buying guns? Are you planning on "playing God" deciding who number is up? Why do you not take covid serious? 140,000 deaths in less than 6 months, death rate increasing. Is this a "look over here" why 140,000 die? There are significantly less abortions annually than our increasing covid deaths. It isnt even close.
Wrong wrong wrong.

Abortion statistics in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti..._United_States

The last decade along is averaging near 650,000 per year. EACH AND EVERY YEAR!

The high was around 1.4 million abortions reported to CDC in 1990

Averaging around 200 abortions per live birth the last decade.

a high of around 364 abortions per live birth back in the 90's
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:37 AM Reply   
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And that's one of the biggest problems with "the right" ascribing the worst possible interpretation to an opinion you disagree with.
Have we been wrong. You see what democrats are doing in the streets with cops present? What happens when they get their wish? Actually we do know what it will look like. It is called Chicago.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 6:40 AM Reply   
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Still blistered by the fact youíre a known liar here, I see. BTW, thatís a life sentence. Enjoy, liar.
It been years, you still have not provided a single mis-truth. You are embarrassing yourself. I have no need to lie, im not defending the lying cheat in Washington DC.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:40 AM Reply   
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I dont think its a lot of the extreme lefts fault. As more and more studies will arise, it may become a medical condition. Just like homelessness is heavily weighted on drug related issues, and mental disorders. As things become more extreme, scientist want to know what is actually happening. When people start to say, these people are crazy, like clinically crazy, we may see new medications to treat this disorder. I hope we see future treatment, there are a lot of people who need help.
whoa, whoa, whoa..... You need to stop with drugs and homelessness connection. That is directly the problem right there. People believing in facts about drugs and people inability to contribute to society while on them. You need to rethink your position correctly and ignore the facts about drugs and homelessness and start to believe in the made up facts that drugs are good for you. If you started to believe in the made up version, then all violence will stop.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 6:45 AM Reply   
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Its mental illness, i really beleive the left, and extreme left have some sort of imbalance. I dont know anyone who would attack a police officer, or burn down building, shoot children, or shoot anyone, break into peoples private property, loot local stores, burn grocery stores, and other places of business, or burn down churches, smash cars. I will say, all the graffiti truly shows the nature of the people who live there. They must not like their city, their community, their neighbors or neighborhood or one would think, they would not destroy it.

Can you imagine being hit with a frozen water bottle in the head, it could kill you. Or imagine people ransacking your local grocery store, blowing up your target, burning down all the public office buildings that service and employee the people living in the city they live in too! madness
It is not mental illness, it is a political movement. People need to wake up. This is right out of the the communist play book. This is scripted revolutionary actions. This is well funded by our democrat leaders.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 6:54 AM Reply   
Its been 3 and a half years since i heard anyone sound like a president. Just in case we all forgot what a real American president sounds like here is Sleep Joe Biden taking a shot over the bow of the sinking SS Trump.
https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/my-stat...s-8b42b4444eb6

Seems he isnt going to ask for, benefit from or accept Foreign interference. But hes going to do something about it.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 7:07 AM Reply   
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All you gotta do is watch the video and then you can really see what a POS 95sn is. Iím talkin a total waste of blood and oxygen. Just a matter of time before we see vigilantes balancing the scales of justice. Woulda been nice to see a sniper or ten take out all those democrats throwing stuff at the cops. So frustrating to watch those cops have to take it without fighting back.
Marge actually believes im in the video. Even tho im on record saying i havnt protested, in fact ive stayed at home since March 19. Classic projection as he stocks up on guns and ammo and suggests its a good plan to "shot to kill" protesters or snipers should "take out" people who throw things.
Escalation is a losing plan, pushed by your loser in chief, grifter #1. People have constitutional rights, just like you do stock piling weapons.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-21-2020, 7:43 AM Reply   
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Uh huh sure. Is that why per capita the US spends twice what other developed nations do?

Pop quiz, do you think it's a great idea to have your healthcare tied to your employment status?
It's an incredibly bad idea. But Americans are easily tooled and totally ignorant of the economics surrounding HC. Delta thinks that going to the ER is free. You can't get much more ignorant than that. Govt subversion of the free market in HC has hyper inflated costs. It's a collision course with disaster. The govt pours more and more money into HC but doesn't adequately control costs. UHC is matter of when not if.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-21-2020, 8:33 AM Reply   
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Marge actually believes im in the video. Even tho im on record saying i havnt protested, in fact ive stayed at home since March 19. Classic projection as he stocks up on guns and ammo and suggests its a good plan to "shot to kill" protesters or snipers should "take out" people who throw things.
Escalation is a losing plan, pushed by your loser in chief, grifter #1. People have constitutional rights, just like you do stock piling weapons.
No. It's your very obvious support of those people. More mental illness out of you... Throwing a frozen water bottle through the air in an attempt to hit an officer of the law in the head is attempted murder, you F'ing evil pile of human compost. People lose their rights when they attempt to commit murder or mayhem in a civil society. I thought you went to college. Your ignorant comments show what that was worth. Stay in your hole, Biden junior. The only reason I'm stockpiling is for people like YOU. Until a few months ago, I hadn't owned or shot a single firearm in over 3 decades. Not even a Red Rider BB gun. Now, with more and more people like you around, I have plenty of reasons to stock up.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-21-2020, 8:37 AM Reply   
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Who are you talking about? Who is voicing any support for violence?
You imagine Biden is senile.
You imagine Trump is responsible.
You imagine what America would look like if Biden wins election (CHOP)
You imagine a bear is Biden.
You imagine MSM is fake news.
You imagine if one dislikes trump it must be TDS, while you admit to not liking him.
You imagine FOX News post truth.
You imagine ANYONE doing something stupid is a libtard.
You imagine your insults are humorous.
Who is suffering from a mental disorder?
Need more evidence of your lies? See above.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 8:53 AM Reply   
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Marge actually believes im in the video. Even tho im on record saying i havnt protested, in fact ive stayed at home since March 19. Classic projection as he stocks up on guns and ammo and suggests its a good plan to "shot to kill" protesters or snipers should "take out" people who throw things.
Escalation is a losing plan, pushed by your loser in chief, grifter #1. People have constitutional rights, just like you do stock piling weapons.
So youíre of the belief the FBI agents in Portland are the agressors and that theyíre the cause of the violence directed at them and local law enforcement ?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 8:54 AM Reply   
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No. It's your very obvious support of those people. More mental illness out of you... Throwing a frozen water bottle through the air in an attempt to hit an officer of the law in the head is attempted murder, you F'ing evil pile of human compost. People lose their rights when they attempt to commit murder or mayhem in a civil society. I thought you went to college. Your ignorant comments show what that was worth. Stay in your hole, Biden junior. The only reason I'm stockpiling is for people like YOU. Until a few months ago, I hadn't owned or shot a single firearm in over 3 decades. Not even a Red Rider BB gun. Now, with more and more people like you around, I have plenty of reasons to stock up.
Great, show me where i supported violence in any way.

How do you know water bottles were frozen? I saw many splash on impact with the ground. Ice dont splash. Is there a scope on those bottles so they can aim for the head? Or are they former pitchers throwing the heat up high? You have no need to stockpile because you are afraid of me. I just told you for the third time im in lock down. You shall from now on be known as that thang your grifter likes to grab. Back into the bunker basement B.
If you stop watching FOX news you might relax, they sure are making you very very afraid, selling fear to the under-educated.

I like that Biden is putting foreign countries on notice, mess with the bull, you get the horns. So un-trump like. Refreshing. He will put America first, he wont cozy up to dictators. He wont believe putin over our experts. Nov cannot get here quick enough.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 8:54 AM Reply   
So for anyone supporting a change to government run healthcare ........Can you name one person who doesn’t get the medical care they need right at the moment should they walk into a hospital ?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 8:56 AM Reply   
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Need more evidence of your lies? See above.
Another zero. Another swing and a miss. Strike 3.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 8:58 AM Reply   
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Great, show me where i supported violence in any way.

How do you know water bottles were frozen? I saw many splash on impact with the ground. Ice dont splash. Is there a scope on those bottles so they can aim for the head? Or are they former pitchers throwing the heat up high? You have no need to stockpile because you are afraid of me. I just told you for the third time im in lock down. You shall from now on be known as that thang your grifter likes to grab. Back into the bunker basement B.
If you stop watching FOX news you might relax, they sure are making you very very afraid, selling fear to the under-educated.

I like that Biden is putting foreign countries on notice, mess with the bull, you get the horns. So un-trump like. Refreshing. He will put America first, he wont cozy up to dictators. He wont believe putin over our experts. Nov cannot get here quick enough.
Youíre a complete idiot. No wonder you havenít left your house since March. You should go outside and actually look at whatís happening. Clearly you didnít watch the videos linked or the explanations of the injuries suffered by officers on scene.

So let me get this straight you believe errant bricks and explosives thrown In the direction of officers donít have the ability to cause death or great bodily harm?
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 9:05 AM Reply   
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How do you know water bottles were frozen? I saw many splash on impact with the ground. Ice dont splash. Is there a scope on those bottles so they can aim for the head? Or are they former pitchers throwing the heat up high? You have no need to stockpile because you are afraid of me. I just told you for the third time im in lock down.
There. That’s your support of violence right there. Clear as day . It’s ok to launch non frozen water bottles . They just splash,,,, Crawl out of your basement , Let me throw case of non frozen water bottles at you and see how you feel afterwards. Clearly you’re a troubled individual if you haven’t left your residence in 5 months. I love how you keep posting Biden clips. Feel free to post the 100’s of his misfortunes and blunders over the years of petting and groping young girls, misspeaking just about every time he opens his mouth. Get out and live life man.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 9:12 AM Reply   
So here is little fact mentioned in that video.

Over 5300 guns have been recovered by police in Chicago this year to date. For the purposes of numbers we will just round that to 5000 because some end up recovered on search warrants rather than on arrestees.

3 people have been shot and killed by Chicago police to date in 2020.

So that’s 4997 armed encounters with the police In which police didn’t use deadly force on an armed offender.
So your chances of being shot by police while carrying a weapon in Chicago are 0.0006. Wow. What an epidemic. Those are just the encounters with armed individuals. Factor in all the other contacts made daily and that number gets significantly less.

To date over 4700 officers have been assaulted/ battered during the course of the duties in Chicago. That doesn’t include assault / battery of an officer reports from the riots. Geee........wonder what the the actual problem is.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 9:37 AM Reply   
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Its been 3 and a half years since i heard anyone sound like a president. Just in case we all forgot what a real American president sounds like here is Sleep Joe Biden taking a shot over the bow of the sinking SS Trump.
https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/my-stat...s-8b42b4444eb6

Seems he isnt going to ask for, benefit from or accept Foreign interference. But hes going to do something about it.
He already has accepted foreign help. he also helped concoct the fake Russia narrative and was party of the meetings authorizing illegal wiretaps.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 9:38 AM Reply   
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There. Thatís your support of violence right there. Clear as day . Itís ok to launch non frozen water bottles . They just splash,,,, Crawl out of your basement , Let me throw case of non frozen water bottles at you and see how you feel afterwards. Clearly youíre a troubled individual if you havenít left your residence in 5 months. I love how you keep posting Biden clips. Feel free to post the 100ís of his misfortunes and blunders over the years of petting and groping young girls, misspeaking just about every time he opens his mouth. Get out and live life man.
As long as i can chuck a case back at you, i like dodgeball.
Get off your soapbox, i didnt support violence. I questioned opinion.
Talk about troubled. Im doing exactly what is safe, stay home AND earn a living. How is that troubled? I post one Biden statement in the last 3 years and all the sudden "I love how you keep posting Biden clips". Exaggerate much? If you find Bidens " petting" and "groping" a problem you must be really anti- trump, he admits to grabbing pussies. Right? How could anyone rubberstamp a rapist, an admitted groper? One who has been sued 20-25 times for sexual crimes. We are grading on the same scale, right? Or, is that "different"?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 9:42 AM Reply   
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It's an incredibly bad idea. But Americans are easily tooled and totally ignorant of the economics surrounding HC. Delta thinks that going to the ER is free. You can't get much more ignorant than that. Govt subversion of the free market in HC has hyper inflated costs. It's a collision course with disaster. The govt pours more and more money into HC but doesn't adequately control costs. UHC is matter of when not if.
You mean just like how you commies think that public healthcare is free? You just said it. Government pours money in and does not control costs. Can you show me once in the history of economics where putting cost controls on a service did not turn into disaster? If you don't want costs to go out of control, stop using it. Money in the system and people using the system makes the costs go up.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 9:46 AM Reply   
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It's an incredibly bad idea. But Americans are easily tooled and totally ignorant of the economics surrounding HC. Delta thinks that going to the ER is free. You can't get much more ignorant than that. Govt subversion of the free market in HC has hyper inflated costs. It's a collision course with disaster. The govt pours more and more money into HC but doesn't adequately control costs. UHC is matter of when not if.
also, you are continuing the lie that healthcare is tied to your job. You PRIVATE HEALTHCARE is tied to your job. If you don't want to get a job that has healthcare as part of the perks of working, then buy your own or get on the state healthcare.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       07-21-2020, 10:02 AM Reply   
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So here is little fact mentioned in that video.

Over 5300 guns have been recovered by police in Chicago this year to date. For the purposes of numbers we will just round that to 5000 because some end up recovered on search warrants rather than on arrestees.

3 people have been shot and killed by Chicago police to date in 2020.

So thatís 4997 armed encounters with the police In which police didnít use deadly force on an armed offender.
So your chances of being shot by police while carrying a weapon in Chicago are 0.0006. Wow. What an epidemic. Those are just the encounters with armed individuals. Factor in all the other contacts made daily and that number gets significantly less.

To date over 4700 officers have been assaulted/ battered during the course of the duties in Chicago. That doesnít include assault / battery of an officer reports from the riots. Geee........wonder what the the actual problem is.
Problem is facts do not matter to the democrats. The police are the backers of the status quo according to their communist manifesto. Police are not people, they are an institution. That institution must be taken down by any means so the rich do not have anyone to uphold the laws that way the workers can have their revolution.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 10:09 AM Reply   
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He already has accepted foreign help. he also helped concoct the fake Russia narrative and was party of the meetings authorizing illegal wiretaps.
Can you explain that, What foreign help did he take? ...seems a trumped up lie. All US Intelligence organization came to the same conclusion. ie, it is not a hoax...The Senate Intelligence committee run by another Republican came to the same conclusion. Russia is the aggressor. How did Obama and Biden get the GRU to steal from the DNC and Clinton? How did they get that done? How did they get Wikileaks to timely leak it? How did they get Stone to lie? Witness tamper? How did they get trump to hire Manafort who had been working with the russians for over a decade? How did they get Flynn to tell the russians he would back off the sanctions? Those SOB's are Fing sharp, right. No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it is still a lie. You have only FOX as a source and they have been fact checked, "false". Simply debunked conspiracy theories are what the right are living on these days. Sad.
Take the bait. Is there anything in Bidens statement that you disagree with? IMO, it is a very American response. Patriotic. Your opinion?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 10:21 AM Reply   
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Problem is facts do not matter to the democrats. The police are the backers of the status quo according to their communist manifesto. Police are not people, they are an institution. That institution must be taken down by any means so the rich do not have anyone to uphold the laws that way the workers can have their revolution.
Facts matter.
It seems that the fact is that there are too many damn guns in Chicago. Dont you think less guns in peoples hands will improve virtually everything? Wouldnt that make the job of Police officers better?
If you want to see communists in action, check out the unmarked fed "officers" being deployed on Americans. Isnt that how Hitler started it, send out his jack-booted police to enforce his rule? Shame you cant see it. Where is the 2nd Amendment Army protecting the constitution? Isnt that what the CCP are doing in Hong Kong? China? Not how we operate in America.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-21-2020, 10:22 AM Reply   
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There. Thatís your support of violence right there. Clear as day . Itís ok to launch non frozen water bottles . They just splash,,,, Crawl out of your basement , Let me throw case of non frozen water bottles at you and see how you feel afterwards. Clearly youíre a troubled individual if you havenít left your residence in 5 months. I love how you keep posting Biden clips. Feel free to post the 100ís of his misfortunes and blunders over the years of petting and groping young girls, misspeaking just about every time he opens his mouth. Get out and live life man.
Take 3 minutes out of your day, read Bidens statement and give your opinion. Thats why i posted it.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-21-2020, 10:23 AM Reply   
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So for anyone supporting a change to government run healthcare ........Can you name one person who doesnít get the medical care they need right at the moment should they walk into a hospital ?
Yes
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-21-2020, 1:16 PM Reply   
should the government let the liberal cites burn, maybe we should, and then as this spreads into the suburbs and families are killed, homes burnt to the ground, and these liberal cities become overrun, will the people be happy? I am starting to be really torn on this, as I cannot see how a police officer, federal or local, can manage this mess and maybe the people who put these mayors and governors into office need to eat this **** sandwich.

Its really sad, so sad that my 6 yr old caught a few min of the rioting on tv and asked "daddy why are those people hurting the police men" Had to explain after we all teach our children to respect law enforcement, to be kind, to be patient, to be respectful of other, to respect others property and their own, to see what's happening is truly disgusting.

I use to travel to Portland and Seattle, both were very nice cities, but now, will never go back.

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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 1:32 PM Reply   
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Yes
Who ?
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 1:37 PM Reply   
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Facts matter.
It seems that the fact is that there are too many damn guns in Chicago. Dont you think less guns in peoples hands will improve virtually everything? Wouldnt that make the job of Police officers better?
If you want to see communists in action, check out the unmarked fed "officers" being deployed on Americans. Isnt that how Hitler started it, send out his jack-booted police to enforce his rule? Shame you cant see it. Where is the 2nd Amendment Army protecting the constitution? Isnt that what the CCP are doing in Hong Kong? China? Not how we operate in America.
Youíre comparing sending police in to deal with anarchists and criminals to Hitler sending his troops to take over a country?

You sir have the script flipped. The anarchists , antifa , and BLM crew are the army of Hitler not the Feds sent in by Trump.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 1:45 PM Reply   
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Facts matter.
It seems that the fact is that there are too many damn guns in Chicago. Dont you think less guns in peoples hands will improve virtually everything? Wouldnt that make the job of Police officers better?
If you want to see communists in action, check out the unmarked fed "officers" being deployed on Americans. Isnt that how Hitler started it, send out his jack-booted police to enforce his rule? Shame you cant see it. Where is the 2nd Amendment Army protecting the constitution? Isnt that what the CCP are doing in Hong Kong? China? Not how we operate in America.
Gee I wonder who allows all those ILLLEGAL dam guns in Chicago. Let me guess Trump ?

Itís couldnít be the savage roots of the criminal element and the democrats looking the other way when criminals commit crimes. Shoot someone , you get home monitoring probation , caught carrying and illegal firearm. Probation , caught again committing a felony while armed while on probation for a gun , double secret probation , Get caught a 3rd time with a n illegal gun triple secret probation , with an anger management class.

4th time caught with a gun , serve 20% of the time you were found guilty of during sentencing.



What do you think would happen to the amount of people carrying illegal guns and committing violent acts If they were actually held accountable ? Get caught robbing someone with firearm , you actually do get locked up and do heavy time , get caught shooting someone , ( death penalty eligible ).
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 1:54 PM Reply   
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should the government let the liberal cites burn, maybe we should, and then as this spreads into the suburbs and families are killed, homes burnt to the ground, and these liberal cities become overrun, will the people be happy? I am starting to be really torn on this, as I cannot see how a police officer, federal or local, can manage this mess and maybe the people who put these mayors and governors into office need to eat this **** sandwich.

Its really sad, so sad that my 6 yr old caught a few min of the rioting on tv and asked "daddy why are those people hurting the police men" Had to explain after we all teach our children to respect law enforcement, to be kind, to be patient, to be respectful of other, to respect others property and their own, to see what's happening is truly disgusting.

I use to travel to Portland and Seattle, both were very nice cities, but now, will never go back.
I am at that point at the moment. The easiest solution in my mind at the moment is give up the entire cities these politicians want . Let them institute what they want , watch them fail and come crawling back. What was the first thing chop did , set up a boarder and law enforcement inside the boarder. Itís ****ing hysterical ,



Then there is the part of me that refuses to let the bad guys win, however at what point is it worth my family and their lives ( meaning lawsuits possible prison time for a physical confrontation , even when 100% correct ) to protect things nobody in my local government wants to protect?


https://mobile.twitter.com/rubinrepo...493360130?s=21


Seem like peaceful protestors .....these are the standard images I see daily , mobs of people just attacking any lone individual who wonít bow to them or join them.

Maybe BLM will be here tomorrow

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Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-21-2020, 1:59 PM Reply   
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Gee I wonder who allows all those ILLLEGAL dam guns in Chicago. Let me guess Trump ?

It’s couldn’t be the savage roots of the criminal element and the democrats looking the other way when criminals commit crimes. Shoot someone , you get home monitoring probation , caught carrying and illegal firearm. Probation , caught again committing a felony while armed while on probation for a gun , double secret probation , Get caught a 3rd time with a n illegal gun triple secret probation , with an anger management class.

4th time caught with a gun , serve 20% of the time you were found guilty of during sentencing.



What do you think would happen to the amount of people carrying illegal guns and committing violent acts If they were actually held accountable ? Get caught robbing someone with firearm , you actually do get locked up and do heavy time , get caught shooting someone , ( death penalty eligible ).
i often wonder, if the citizens decide to rise up , and take their cites back, would the police arrest them? So a criminal can create riots and inflict pain and damage, but a non criminal would be arrested. pretty scary times we live in. If i went to you property, smashed a bunch of ****, I Would be a protestor?, you pull a gun to protect your family and property, you get arrested. Is this not insanity. actual, living, breathing insanity. lol
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 2:07 PM Reply   
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i often wonder, if the citizens decide to rise up , and take their cites back, would the police arrest them? So a criminal can create riots and inflict pain and damage, but a non criminal would be arrested. pretty scary times we live in. If i went to you property, smashed a bunch of ****, I Would be a protestor?, you pull a gun to protect your family and property, you get arrested. Is this not insanity. actual, living, breathing insanity. lol
Actually what just happened in St Louis. Angry mob tears down the gates to a gated community. Come through the neighborhood destroying property in its path. 2 homeowners step outside their house armed to protect their property , no shots fired, angry mob hurls racist insults and death threats at them , several weeks later the DA is charging the homeowners with brandishing a weapon in a menacing manner . The Missouri AG and Governor are fighting for the homeowners. Mind you Missouri has a stand your ground law .


So let’s hear it , should these two homeowners be charged while they stood on their own property armed to defend it from an angry mob of over 100 that already broke through the gate securing their private neighborhood ?


The St. Louis DA is arresting homeowners protecting their own property. It’s pure insanity.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-21-2020, 2:26 PM Reply   
Here’s I questiion I’ll ask here.


All these cities being destroyed have 1 major thing in common. Their leadership has pulled police back(in most cases called their police the aggressors) , made multiple appearances on media outlets backing protestors , and allowed the total destruction of their areas. Who really believes the federal government should give them a dime to rebuild ? Why should America be in the hook for the decisions they made at the state level . Even now they are condemning Trump for sending in federal officers to help slow the destruction. So again I ask what argument could anyone make in favor of the federal government being responsible to send them money/aide?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-21-2020, 5:26 PM Reply   
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Another zero. Another swing and a miss. Strike 3.
Zero for you, liar. You canít help, but keep shooting yourself in the foot here. Ever notice how not one of your libtard WW buddies comes to your defense or buttresses what you say here? Thatís because youíre so hated-even by your own crowd.

Reading your BS about whatís going on today and how you refuse to condemn the street violence by democrats shows you are one of them. Thatís why Delta has accurately labeled you for a long time as dangerous.

Forget about missing. You canít even swing.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-21-2020, 7:53 PM Reply   
USA is going to have to change to NSUSA. Not so United states of American. The US is so broken at the moment, so many big issues and so bereft of leadership on both sides.
Old     (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       07-22-2020, 12:45 AM Reply   
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USA is going to have to change to NSUSA. Not so United states of American. The US is so broken at the moment, so many big issues and so bereft of leadership on both sides.
Sadly, this is probably true. They have us right where they want us. Two choices, zero overlap and most Americans fall in that unrepresented space in the middle.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 2:52 AM Reply   
Minimum one year jail sentence needed for this democrat tranny. Anyone disagree with that?

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...6pm-story.html
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 3:14 AM Reply   
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Two choices, zero overlap and most Americans fall in that unrepresented space in the middle.
You WISH that were true. Your party openly and unapologetically harbors domestic terrorists, rioters and other criminals. Why bother trying to separate yourself from that now? Us sane people on the right have been warning about whatís going on now for years. Weíve accused you of wanting to do exactly what youíre doing right now.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 3:33 AM Reply   
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Who ?
The person's name is not relevant. Your question was incredibly naive regarding how our HC system works. Hospitals are required to investigate your complaint and stabilize your condition if they take Medicare. They are not required to give you all of the medical treatment required for any particular condition.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-22-2020, 3:57 AM Reply   
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The person's name is not relevant. Your question was incredibly naive regarding how our HC system works. Hospitals are required to investigate your complaint and stabilize your condition if they take Medicare. They are not required to give you all of the medical treatment required for any particular condition.
I wasnít asking for a name per say. Simply More details than yes


Hospitals are required to give you the essential medical care to keep you alive should you need It. How do you think all these gunshot victims with no insurance survive ? Are you saying theyíre not?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 4:00 AM Reply   
So check out the headline of this article. I defy any of you libtards to try to tell me your party isn’t safe harbor for domestic terrorists and the msm isn’t the lap dog for democrats wanting to spin their propaganda. These were rioters who were ripping open the doors and pushing back federal agents. Not protesters.

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-agent...111216636.html
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 4:02 AM Reply   
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So letís hear it , should these two homeowners be charged while they stood on their own property armed to defend it from an angry mob of over 100 that already broke through the gate securing their private neighborhood ?
I don't think they should be charged. I don't have any sympathy for protesters blocking freeways that get run over either. How in the heck do you expect the public is going to sympathize with your cause if you are just creating problems for the people you want to agree with you? The BLM protests are catalysts for crime. Can't think of a better time for robbing and mayhem than when the police are swamped with dumba$$ protestors. And yes when I see vandals tearing up things the first thought that comes to mind is a few need to get a bullet in their head.

When Kaepernick went down on a knee I had respect for this form of protest, but the right wing idiots had to mock him and escalate the problem with responses to BLM with ALM. Now the problem is worse than ever with both sides digging in to f**k up the country. An intelligent response would have been to use psychology, acknowledge there is a problem, and make some attempts to address it.

Saying "Defund the Police" is the stupidest motto that BLM could have ever come up with. The worst way to get people to see your viewpoint is to say things that you don't mean and that no one in their right mind would agree with. But that's exactly what they did. Then they say.. "You don't know what it means". No, I know what it means, but they don't know how to properly use the English language. Do I believe that there is racism? Yes. Do I believe that there is "White Privilege"? Yes. Do I believe that these things need to be continually reviewed and addressed in public policy? Yes. Do I believe that BLM is an effectively making this point. No.

We live in a culture of ridiculous memes that make no sense except at the most superficial level, but people are triggered by them. Everyone has to express their opinion even when the issue has nothing to do with them, their opinions are generally poorly thought out, and only serve to create a bigger problem. Quite frankly I think the world would be a better place if everyone didn't give a s**t about anything except managing their own lives.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 4:05 AM Reply   
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Hospitals are required to give you the essential medical care to keep you alive should you need It. How do you think all these gunshot victims with no insurance survive ? Are you saying theyíre not?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Hospitals are required to stabilize you. If you have a bullet in you and are going to die then they have to take it out so you don't die. I shouldn't have to educate you on the difference between preventing you from dying and the medical treatment necessary to manage health conditions that aren't immediately killing you.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-22-2020, 4:10 AM Reply   
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I don't think they should be charged. I don't have any sympathy for protesters blocking freeways that get run over either. How in the heck do you expect the public is going to sympathize with your cause if you are just creating problems for the people you want to agree with you? The BLM protests are catalysts for crime. Can't think of a better time for robbing and mayhem than when the police are swamped with dumba$$ protestors. And yes when I see vandals tearing up things the first thought that comes to mind is a few need to get a bullet in their head.

When Kaepernick went down on a knee I had respect for this form of protest, but the right wing idiots had to mock him and escalate the problem with responses to BLM with ALM. Now the problem is worse than ever with both sides digging in to f**k up the country. An intelligent response would have been to use psychology, acknowledge there is a problem, and make some attempts to address it.

Saying "Defund the Police" is the stupidest motto that BLM could have ever come up with. The worst way to get people to see your viewpoint is to say things that you don't mean and that no one in their right mind would agree with. But that's exactly what they did. Then they say.. "You don't know what it means". No, I know what it means, but they don't know how to properly use the English language. Do I believe that there is racism? Yes. Do I believe that there is "White Privilege"? Yes. Do I believe that these things need to be continually reviewed and addressed in public policy? Yes. Do I believe that BLM is an effectively making this point. No.

We live in a culture of ridiculous memes that make no sense except at the most superficial level, but people are triggered by them. Everyone has to express their opinion even when the issue has nothing to do with them, their opinions are generally poorly thought out, and only serve to create a bigger problem. Quite frankly I think the world would be a better place if everyone didn't give a s**t about anything except managing their own lives.
Why is all the rioting in liberal cities? is it the people? Or is it the elected? Seems like both. I think the mayors and governors, liberal ones, like this, like to see damage and murder, like to keep their constituents down, making them feel like victims. Then when all the pain and damage is done, the mayor can blame the fed. The fed has nothing to do with this, its the people who are to blame, both for voting these idiots into office, and for supporting criminal enterprises. Black lives do matter, because all lives matter. The organization is not to help but to destroy, and they thrive on these riots and vandalism. they want to see western culture destroyed, They plainly state it in their messaging
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 4:21 AM Reply   
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I don't think they should be charged. I don't have any sympathy for protesters blocking freeways that get run over either. How in the heck do you expect the public is going to sympathize with your cause if you are just creating problems for the people you want to agree with you? The BLM protests are catalysts for crime. Can't think of a better time for robbing and mayhem than when the police are swamped with dumba$$ protestors. And yes when I see vandals tearing up things the first thought that comes to mind is a few need to get a bullet in their head.

When Kaepernick went down on a knee I had respect for this form of protest, but the right wing idiots had to mock him and escalate the problem with responses to BLM with ALM. Now the problem is worse than ever with both sides digging in to f**k up the country. An intelligent response would have been to use psychology, acknowledge there is a problem, and make some attempts to address it.

Saying "Defund the Police" is the stupidest motto that BLM could have ever come up with. The worst way to get people to see your viewpoint is to say things that you don't mean and that no one in their right mind would agree with. But that's exactly what they did. Then they say.. "You don't know what it means". No, I know what it means, but they don't know how to properly use the English language. Do I believe that there is racism? Yes. Do I believe that there is "White Privilege"? Yes. Do I believe that these things need to be continually reviewed and addressed in public policy? Yes. Do I believe that BLM is an effectively making this point. No.

We live in a culture of ridiculous memes that make no sense except at the most superficial level, but people are triggered by them. Everyone has to express their opinion even when the issue has nothing to do with them, their opinions are generally poorly thought out, and only serve to create a bigger problem. Quite frankly I think the world would be a better place if everyone didn't give a s**t about anything except managing their own lives.
Careful. You may end up losing your libtard card and be handed a libertarian card.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 4:22 AM Reply   
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Why is all the rioting in liberal cities? is it the people? Or is it the elected? Seems like both. I think the mayors and governors, liberal ones, like this, like to see damage and murder, like to keep their constituents down, making them feel like victims.
When you have a depressed economic region they are going to vote for the people who are expressing concern for their condition. If they voted for the opposite, they would then have a conservative leadership with exactly the same problems WRT poverty and crime. Correlation is not causation. I really doubt that the population would be placated by leaders who didn't have any concern for their problems. And that's why it's a liberal city.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 4:22 AM Reply   
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Careful. You may end up losing your libtard card and be handed a libertarian card.
My progressive/liberal nature is mostly limited to federal policy.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 4:25 AM Reply   
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Why is all the rioting in liberal cities? is it the people? Or is it the elected? Seems like both. I think the mayors and governors, liberal ones, like this, like to see damage and murder, like to keep their constituents down, making them feel like victims. Then when all the pain and damage is done, the mayor can blame the fed. The fed has nothing to do with this, its the people who are to blame, both for voting these idiots into office, and for supporting criminal enterprises. Black lives do matter, because all lives matter. The organization is not to help but to destroy, and they thrive on these riots and vandalism. they want to see western culture destroyed, They plainly state it in their messaging
It certainly is both in Portland and Seattle.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 4:27 AM Reply   
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My progressive/liberal nature is mostly limited to federal policy.
Your stock just rose .01%
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-22-2020, 4:32 AM Reply   
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When you have a depressed economic region they are going to vote for the people who are expressing concern for their condition. If they voted for the opposite, they would then have a conservative leadership with exactly the same problems WRT poverty and crime. Correlation is not causation. I really doubt that the population would be placated by leaders who didn't have any concern for their problems. And that's why it's a liberal city.
There is poverty everywhere, in every corner of this country, but they are not burning down their cities. They live there, work there, raise there children there. Even the poorest people have pride. People who riot and burn and destroy have no pride in their community, or respect for those who live in it with them. They want to see destruction, as it promotes their agenda. How sad it has become. I grew up poor, almost dirt floor poor. We did not destroy our community. We did not hurt our neighbors. We did everything we could be preserve it. I truly think the wealth elites dont care, as they can leave the devastation and pay their way out of the crisis.

Being poor, as a child, we respected every little opportunity and even the smallest things were extremely important, To have a restaurant or local store, or things that brought the community together were cherished. These crazy people are destroying it, then when it does not come back, what will they do?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2020, 4:46 AM Reply   
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There is poverty everywhere, in every corner of this country, but they are not burning down their cities.
Size matters. Many very small towns in red states have very high crime statistics. There are a number of factors that differentiate large cities with economically depressed regions vs rural areas with poverty.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 4:50 AM Reply   
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Why is all the rioting in liberal cities? is it the people? Or is it the elected? Seems like both. I think the mayors and governors, liberal ones, like this, like to see damage and murder, like to keep their constituents down, making them feel like victims. Then when all the pain and damage is done, the mayor can blame the fed. The fed has nothing to do with this, its the people who are to blame, both for voting these idiots into office, and for supporting criminal enterprises. Black lives do matter, because all lives matter. The organization is not to help but to destroy, and they thrive on these riots and vandalism. they want to see western culture destroyed, They plainly state it in their messaging
Or, maybe in non liberal cities BLM is not protesting with the same numbers.
Why would any mayor or Gov want damage or murder? Thats not even credible. No one is blaming Feds for inaction, it is the opposite. Portland wants them out. Sending in non-logoed feds, using unmarked cars and pulling people off the street w/o cause has incited more protesting not to mention against the US constitution.
This is just another rewind of trumps only strategy. Fill FOX News, Breitbart, Newsmax, right wing AM radio...with all the violence only trump can save you from. Create a perceived enemy of his base and make it the only issue. He just replaced the immigrant caravans from before with the new evil. If Joe wins this is what the country will look like. Only I can save you. If you watch local news, Portland is a 45 second story, on right wing media its 100% non stop. There are 650,000 people in Portland a small fraction are protesting, its a small group. Change viewing habits and see the difference in coverage.

Covid is not going away, 250,000 dead is more than enough to end trump.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 4:56 AM Reply   
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Careful. You may end up losing your libtard card and be handed a libertarian card.
except this is where most "libs" stand. Of course there is a small % that are way, way left, no different than any large group. No one here has ever pushed any of the things you warn we are ALL doing. Lib isnt short for libertarian.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 5:10 AM Reply   
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except this is where most "libs" stand. Of course there is a small % that are way, way left, no different than any large group. No one here has ever pushed any of the things you warn we are ALL doing. Lib isnt short for libertarian.
Aw, bless your heart for trying to spin this like CNN does. No one believes you and the facts don’t support your spin. How do you explain all the “mothers” out there blocking for rioters in Portland? Over 2,000 rioters were there. You can’t spin that fact.
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Or, maybe in non liberal cities BLM is not protesting with the same numbers.
Why would any mayor or Gov want damage or murder? Thats not even credible. No one is blaming Feds for inaction, it is the opposite. Portland wants them out. Sending in non-logoed feds, using unmarked cars and pulling people off the street w/o cause has incited more protesting not to mention against the US constitution.
This is just another rewind of trumps only strategy. Fill FOX News, Breitbart, Newsmax, right wing AM radio...with all the violence only trump can save you from. Create a perceived enemy of his base and make it the only issue. He just replaced the immigrant caravans from before with the new evil. If Joe wins this is what the country will look like. Only I can save you. If you watch local news, Portland is a 45 second story, on right wing media its 100% non stop. There are 650,000 people in Portland a small fraction are protesting, its a small group. Change viewing habits and see the difference in coverage.

Covid is not going away, 250,000 dead is more than enough to end trump.
Oh my goodness. You are so patently dishonest itís not even funny. In other words, youíre saying, ďLook look look over here. Donít listen to the truth. Listen to left wing spin.Ē Msm gives it only 45 seconds because it makes the left look bad. Why are you so tone deaf about it? Actually, youíre not tone deaf about it. Youíre just doing what you dems are best at. Lying about whatís really going on.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 5:30 AM Reply   
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Or, maybe in non liberal cities BLM is not protesting with the same numbers.
Why would any mayor or Gov want damage or murder? Thats not even credible. No one is blaming Feds for inaction, it is the opposite. Portland wants them out. Sending in non-logoed feds, using unmarked cars and pulling people off the street w/o cause has incited more protesting not to mention against the US constitution.
This is just another rewind of trumps only strategy. Fill FOX News, Breitbart, Newsmax, right wing AM radio...with all the violence only trump can save you from. Create a perceived enemy of his base and make it the only issue. He just replaced the immigrant caravans from before with the new evil. If Joe wins this is what the country will look like. Only I can save you. If you watch local news, Portland is a 45 second story, on right wing media its 100% non stop. There are 650,000 people in Portland a small fraction are protesting, its a small group. Change viewing habits and see the difference in coverage.

Covid is not going away, 250,000 dead is more than enough to end trump.
Speaking of COVID... Hey, why is your party the ones who encourage these rioters so much and have specifically stated itís okay to gather in large, unprotected protests (riots) because ďthe cause is so important and historicalĒ and not even care about masks etc?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 5:57 AM Reply   
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Speaking of COVID... Hey, why is your party the ones who encourage these rioters so much and have specifically stated itís okay to gather in large, unprotected protests (riots) because ďthe cause is so important and historicalĒ and not even care about masks etc?
Encourage? The only thing they encourage is freedom of speech, the 1st Amendment. It is not ok to gather in large groups w/o distance and masks. Violence and destruction is not ok. Its just stupid. No one is encouraging violence or to not wear a mask. If we dont have policy that force anti maskers to wear a mask then how can they force protesters to mask up? The Dem position from top to bottom is for ALL to mask up, there is no fed policy, in fact Red State Govs have sued to remove required mask policy. How will that decision help in fighting Covid? Some may argue that suing to remove mask mandates is encouraging Covid infections. Im pretty sure the anti mask group is right wing, yes? This is what happens when POTUS blatantly fails to handle a virus that every other country on earth has had to deal with. Soon it will all just go away...but not before November.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 6:45 AM Reply   
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Oh my goodness. You are so patently dishonest it’s not even funny. In other words, you’re saying, “Look look look over here. Don’t listen to the truth. Listen to left wing spin.” Msm gives it only 45 seconds because it makes the left look bad. Why are you so tone deaf about it? Actually, you’re not tone deaf about it. You’re just doing what you dems are best at. Lying about what’s really going on.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...chist-rhetoric

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...2YahH0u8DmzavY

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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 6:49 AM Reply   
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Encourage? The only thing they encourage is freedom of speech, the 1st Amendment. It is not ok to gather in large groups w/o distance and masks. Violence and destruction is not ok. Its just stupid. No one is encouraging violence or to not wear a mask. If we dont have policy that force anti maskers to wear a mask then how can they force protesters to mask up? The Dem position from top to bottom is for ALL to mask up, there is no fed policy, in fact Red State Govs have sued to remove required mask policy. How will that decision help in fighting Covid? Some may argue that suing to remove mask mandates is encouraging Covid infections. Im pretty sure the anti mask group is right wing, yes? This is what happens when POTUS blatantly fails to handle a virus that every other country on earth has had to deal with. Soon it will all just go away...but not before November.
There you go lying and side-stepping again. NYCís mayor was recently on video encouraging protests continue despite Covid.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 6:52 AM Reply   
More left wing lies and spin from you. So it must be right wingers tearing into federal buildings and attempting to assault the occupants as we all saw on video then huh, liar? Youíre a joke.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 7:55 AM Reply   
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More left wing lies and spin from you. So it must be right wingers tearing into federal buildings and attempting to assault the occupants as we all saw on video then huh, liar? Youíre a joke.
Not at all. Please point out where i said its right wingers damaging fed buildings. You are making crap up.
Im just showing you that what is going on in Portland is a relatively small event. Yet Right wing news is covering it as if world war 3. Two simple points, thats it.

The strategy wont work, his quitting and failure to respond to Covid and all the dead from covid will over shadow trumps current fake emergency.

Lets see how sending out 100's of Fed stormtroopers to cities will play out. My guess, another unforced error.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-22-2020, 8:16 AM Reply   
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Not at all. Please point out where i said its right wingers damaging fed buildings. You are making crap up.
Im just showing you that what is going on in Portland is a relatively small event. Yet Right wing news is covering it as if world war 3. Two simple points, thats it.

The strategy wont work, his quitting and failure to respond to Covid and all the dead from covid will over shadow trumps current fake emergency.

Lets see how sending out 100's of Fed stormtroopers to cities will play out. My guess, another unforced error.
You canít read between the lines at all.

You must be smokin your own stuff again. Over 2,000 people rioting is not a small event. Weíre on day 55 of constant riots or destruction of property in Portland. Oh and or attacks on police. Do t forget the recent flare ups in Seattle too. All democrats.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-22-2020, 9:33 AM Reply   
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Size matters. Many very small towns in red states have very high crime statistics. There are a number of factors that differentiate large cities with economically depressed regions vs rural areas with poverty.
I lived in PA, blue collar liberal, no one was and is doing this, i still have a home there, yes, i now live in the south, as my primary home, but during the steel mill crisis, everyone was unemployed. 80% of the blue collar workers, worked in the mill. no one did this, Its BS
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-22-2020, 10:05 AM Reply   
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I lived in PA, blue collar liberal, no one was and is doing this, i still have a home there, yes, i now live in the south, as my primary home, but during the steel mill crisis, everyone was unemployed. 80% of the blue collar workers, worked in the mill. no one did this, Its BS
I live 25 miles outside of Los Angeles California, the most populated LIB state in America. 10M people in LA and almost 40M in the state... Lib Gov, Lib mayor, LIB Senators...High unemployment right now, No one anywhere near me is doing anything like what is happening in Portland. I dont hear gunshots at night nor worry about trouble. If its a LIB problem, someone forgot to tell the biggest LIB area in the entire country. Just like in Portland, if you dont live in the 5-6 blocks all the crap is happening in, you would never know it was happening. Thats right its 5 or 6 blocks, thats it. Quit watching right wing TV, they are not telling you whats going on in the country. They are telling you only trump can save you from all the Libs damage, all the lawlessness....Educate yourself. This is a small event limited to a few blocks. It isnt across the city let alone the state or "all the libtard run cities".
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-22-2020, 10:11 AM Reply   
I have direct input from friends that live in the **** mess. Seattle, portland, chicago and even in those area's , they say its getting worse and worse every day. So is DC, and Areas in LA. I dont care how far away you or anyone is from the heart beat of this mess, its wrong, and needs to end, and the governing body, in those cities, need to say. publicly, its wrong and stop.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-22-2020, 11:48 AM Reply   
Pondering the libs are evil theory from the rightwing numpties here got me thinking about what it really means to be left or right.

The core difference for me is righties think that personal responsibility is the biggest driver to a person's behaviour and discount the environment factors.

Where lefties seem to flip that around and say that environmental factors are a bigger driver than personal responsibility.

Obviously both things are true to varying degrees.

But it is true that if you believe that people are fundamentally good then it's pretty hard to learn too far right. Anyway, I don't really see how having a left bias = evil, seems like the opposite to me.
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