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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-11-2020, 1:58 PM Reply   
Has he not already lost a dozen of these suits now? In Nevada, AZ, MI, PA... Now, a day after the case was filed, the lawyers withdraw. You could infer that they didn't see the evidence that could point them into a path for victory.


https://www.reuters.com/article/snel...rce=reddit.com
The largest law firm representing the Trump campaign or its allies in post-election litigation challenging votes in key states has withdrawn from an election lawsuit in Maricopa County, Arizona.


Or, you might also think that they find it more financially viable to not challenge the GOP Secretary of State in the state where they work to pursue a baseless claim by an old man who is soon to be out of work forever and who has a tendency to not pay his bills.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-11-2020, 5:48 PM Reply   
Ahhhhh more and more hypocrisy from the highest leaders of the left.


PANDEMIC .........WHAT PANDEMIC AND SPIKE ?????????

Theodora “Teddi” Pritzker was spotted at a packed table in violation of Covid restrictions over the weekend.

Teddi, Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s daughter, was photographed seated at a table for 14 at Chicago Cut Steakhouse.

A Twitter user posted the photo of Teddi, who formerly attended Francis W. Parker in Chicago, and a closely-assembled group of friends.

“10 person outdoor limit for thee....jb 18yo daughter didn’t seem to abide by her dictator Father’s demands while dining outdoors at @ChicagoCutthis weekend,” Twitter user DP Roberts posted.

There are pictures at the link up top. You might remember Theodora from a few months ago?

Earlier this year Prairie State Wire revealed Teddi had skirted her father’s rules regarding sports by participating in out of state equestrian events.

Back in May, it was reported that Teddi and her mother Mary Pritzker were not living in Illinois. Instead the first family, sans J.B., was staying at their estate in Florida where lockdown rules were and continue to be much more lax.

She "not living in Illinois" but is at a Chicago restaurant?

It must be nice to be the entitled daughter of a billionaire who doesn't have to follow the rules Daddy makes for everyone else to follow. Daddy transports you and your horse around to competitions over state lines. You can go out with a group of fourteen friends to a restaurant that doesn't dare refuse you service lest Daddy drive them out of business. Anyone know who picked up the tab?

And who were the other fourteen who didn't have to wear masks? Whose connected spawn are they?





https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/...s-restrictions
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-11-2020, 6:39 PM Reply   
You think record violence is going to subside anytime soon? Here a great glimpse as to why not a single police union supported the Biden/ Harris Ticket.


Heather MacDonald points out how a Biden administration would make police work even more impossible:

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were unambiguous throughout their presidential campaign: they believe that racism pervades policing and all other aspects of the criminal-justice system. Just a day before the networks declared Biden the president-elect, he claimed a “mandate” to eliminate “systemic racism.” He doubled down on that claim the next day, in his first speech as presumptive president-elect. During the campaign, Biden routinely announced that black parents were right to worry that their children would be shot by the police, an assertion formalized in his campaign plan for “strengthening . . . justice.”

Biden’s plan for “strengthening America’s commitment to justice” reads like a Black Lives Matter wish list; there is no reason to think that a Biden–Harris Justice Department will not implement it. Among its most consequential proposals, it calls for a return to the practice of imposing weakly-justified consent decrees on police departments. During the Obama years, career attorneys in the Justice Department regularly opened civil rights investigations into police departments (called “pattern or practice” investigations) without credible evidence that an agency was systematically violating citizens’ constitutional rights. Those investigations almost invariably resulted in settlements (called consent decrees) that placed police departments under the control of a nonelected federal monitor and a federal judge; monitors collected millions of dollars in taxpayer-funded fees while they held police departments to draconian deadlines and mindless paper-pushing mandates for years on end.


Read the full piece at
https://www.city-journal.org/biden-t...aw-enforcement
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       11-11-2020, 10:03 PM Reply   
Just so we are all clear, their is fraud, more than expected. how much, no one knows, as the states have no idea, as 1 mil of the votes are mail in. To top it, they all agree, its happening at a higher level, but do not have anything in place to manage it, as mail in voting is a mess. So if we would have just voted, in person, with ID, and Biden had the votes, it would be over. So stupid

Oh, moving to Georgia to vote is fraud too! call it cheating, call it immoral, call it what you will. but we can all agree is desperation. and when the left is desperate they will do anything. like move across the country to cheat the people who actually live there.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 2:05 AM Reply   
Doug does Georgia have a residency requirement to vote? I know in Nevada you have to be here for 30 days. Voting is a fundamental right so we don’t want to deprive people of the right to vote just because they are new... but also don’t want to let tourists vote. Haha now you want a fishing license, you’ve gotta live here for 6 months and to be a resident for tuition purposes it’s 12 months.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-12-2020, 2:12 AM Reply   
Explains more about why Trump is filing these frivolous and half-baked lawsuits ($$$) and where the money actually goes

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...6smUzI4GFIZPrI
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-12-2020, 3:41 AM Reply   
small hands. smells like cabbage.
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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 4:01 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
Ahhhhh more and more hypocrisy from the highest leaders of the left.


PANDEMIC .........WHAT PANDEMIC AND SPIKE ?????????

Theodora “Teddi” Pritzker was spotted at a packed table in violation of Covid restrictions over the weekend.

Teddi, Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s daughter, was photographed seated at a table for 14 at Chicago Cut Steakhouse.

A Twitter user posted the photo of Teddi, who formerly attended Francis W. Parker in Chicago, and a closely-assembled group of friends.

“10 person outdoor limit for thee....jb 18yo daughter didn’t seem to abide by her dictator Father’s demands while dining outdoors at @ChicagoCutthis weekend,” Twitter user DP Roberts posted.

There are pictures at the link up top. You might remember Theodora from a few months ago?

Earlier this year Prairie State Wire revealed Teddi had skirted her father’s rules regarding sports by participating in out of state equestrian events.

Back in May, it was reported that Teddi and her mother Mary Pritzker were not living in Illinois. Instead the first family, sans J.B., was staying at their estate in Florida where lockdown rules were and continue to be much more lax.

She "not living in Illinois" but is at a Chicago restaurant?

It must be nice to be the entitled daughter of a billionaire who doesn't have to follow the rules Daddy makes for everyone else to follow. Daddy transports you and your horse around to competitions over state lines. You can go out with a group of fourteen friends to a restaurant that doesn't dare refuse you service lest Daddy drive them out of business. Anyone know who picked up the tab?

And who were the other fourteen who didn't have to wear masks? Whose connected spawn are they?





https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/...s-restrictions
Agree 100%!!
With Covid being the #1 cause of deaths for police officers in 2020, one would think they would be smarter. They should be paying a price, fines, shaming, whatever. Is there no enforcement? We are heading for some serious hospital and death numbers very soon, Fauci called it a very dark winter. Forget the holidays. This is the USA, we should be much, much, much better. Trump needs to get serious and get rid of the people he is listening to. If not, we are F-ed.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 4:21 AM Reply   
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Just so we are all clear, their is fraud, more than expected. how much, no one knows, as the states have no idea, as 1 mil of the votes are mail in. To top it, they all agree, its happening at a higher level, but do not have anything in place to manage it, as mail in voting is a mess. So if we would have just voted, in person, with ID, and Biden had the votes, it would be over. So stupid

Oh, moving to Georgia to vote is fraud too! call it cheating, call it immoral, call it what you will. but we can all agree is desperation. and when the left is desperate they will do anything. like move across the country to cheat the people who actually live there.
We have a pretty good idea "how much more" fraud, and all credible info leads to the conclusion that its not enough to change any results. Im interested in who "they all agree" is and what is it thats happening at higher level? Trump has filed at least a dozen lawsuits attempting to prove widespread fraud, thus far he and his attys (the ones who have not withdrawn representing him) have lost every case. If they are losing every case, it appears there has not been any widespread voter fraud, or he hires really unproductive attys. Seems the process has been successful in managing fraud. Trump is losing by over 5 million votes.
If he continues to lose case after case, as is expected, when does he allow the transition? Why is trump firing 5,6 top pentagon officials and replacing with his cronies, two are FOX Entertainment contributors.
Why does the pentagon need crazy FOX people? What are they planning? Why is Sec of State, Pompeo saying there will be a transition to a second trump administration? Does he not know trump lost? What are they up to? Some are saying Trump may be petty. That his intent is to hand Biden a complete mess in the middle east. Why would a sitting president attempt to undermine the security of the United States?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 4:26 AM Reply   
Another one bites the dust.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-s...claim?ref=home
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 4:29 AM Reply   
Nevada case, Republicans drop challenge.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ting-in-nevada
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-12-2020, 5:08 AM Reply   
Yuge Fox News cancel culture happening right now @realDonaldTrump!
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 5:33 AM Reply   
LVRJ, owned by Republican mega-donor Sheldon Adelson, tells Trump it's time to give up.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...-defeat-436302
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:28 AM Reply   
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It’s pretty clear it’s been soldered on.
You and your ilk have been dealing in conspiracy theory for 4 straight years and every time a Republican is president.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:30 AM Reply   
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More election fraud discovered, what sort of 3rd world back water are you guys running?

In this case an election worker admitted to making up an election fraud story and selling it to numpty Republicans for 130k. That's the way the free market works i guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves....co/UlOqChJN5j
Again, you and the main stream media is pedaling in lies again.

USPS whistleblower denies report he recanted voter fraud claims

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-w...d-allegations/

In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-12-2020, 6:32 AM Reply   
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You and your ilk have been dealing in conspiracy theory for 4 straight years and every time a Republican is president.
This is how paranoid people justify their behavior to themselves. They see things that aren't really happening and then adopt that behavior as being the norm.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:36 AM Reply   
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Of course. How often is the GOP going to nominate someone as awful as Trump? Lessons learned hopefully.

NewsMax
Trump is only awful because you commies told us he was. Personally I think he was the second greatest behind Reagan. The reason I know is the amount of lies, full out assault from the media, hollywood, and devious dangerous and outright treasonous levels the democrat party went to defeat him. That tells me that he was a dire threat to you internationalist and that means he was the best person for this country.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 6:38 AM Reply   
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Again, you and the main stream media is pedaling in lies again.

USPS whistleblower denies report he recanted voter fraud claims

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-w...d-allegations/

In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32.
Wow. You feel comfortable risking whats left of credibility on a tabloid like the NYPost? Murdochs rag sheet? Good luck with that. The only paper low enough to print the BS Biden claims, lol.
The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated "New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem—a force for evil."[50]

The Post has been accused of contorting its news coverage to suit Murdoch's business needs, in particular avoiding subjects which could be unflattering to the government of the People's Republic of China, where Murdoch has invested heavily in satellite television.[51]
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:39 AM Reply   
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Longing for the days when conservatives were ripping Obummer a new one for pulling troops from Iraq.
you certainly would because it shows exactly what you want. You want to win and will pick the opposite to do it. Thats why democrats are a danger to our freedoms. Just like your party overwhelming supported going in then when they thought the could get away with it, they turned around and gaslite everyone and said they were against it. And just like the dangerous little liars that democrats are, they all fell in step with it.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:42 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wakereviews View Post
Police Block Off Brentwood Street Where Trump Supporter's Home Was Vandalized

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...lized/2392901/

here are some more:

Article links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPVkcLBjK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVUnUnWfHI

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mce...ondemned-media

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...&recip=5005331

https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-st...in-snoop-dogg/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam.../#cce1f5829e3f

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/polit...ump/index.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...&recip=5005331

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...&recip=5005331

https://townhall.com/columnists/kati...&recip=5005331

https://www.foxnews.com/media/video-...ical-opponents

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...most-expensive

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julior...&recip=5005331

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/min...nion-president
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 6:43 AM Reply   
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Trump is only awful because you commies told us he was. Personally I think he was the second greatest behind Reagan. The reason I know is the amount of lies, full out assault from the media, hollywood, and devious dangerous and outright treasonous levels the democrat party went to defeat him. That tells me that he was a dire threat to you internationalist and that means he was the best person for this country.
Thats a dangerously flawed way to make decisions. The left hates Weinstein and Epstein too, does that also make them great in your mind?
Tell me about the treasonous part, sounds juicy.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:49 AM Reply   
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This is how paranoid people justify their behavior to themselves. They see things that aren't really happening and then adopt that behavior as being the norm.
something. God d#mn man. Every time a Republican becomes president every single thing wrong in society is thrown at them like they did it to them. It is almost exactly like all the hollywood women talking about conservatives like they are some sort of rapists and it turns out hollywood was actually protecting rapists that were raping the women who were lashing out at conservatives.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 6:54 AM Reply   
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LVRJ, owned by Republican mega-donor Sheldon Adelson, tells Trump it's time to give up.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...-defeat-436302
Not exactly the same as Adelson telling him to give up now is it?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 8:04 AM Reply   
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Thats a dangerously flawed way to make decisions. The left hates Weinstein and Epstein too, does that also make them great in your mind?
Tell me about the treasonous part, sounds juicy.
They hate them? They loved and protected them until the evidence became overwhelming against them then they turned on them. You want to hear all the hollywood people fain over Weinstein? Shall I post the videos of it or do you just want to go look for yourself?

Russian and Ukraine hoax was treason.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 8:06 AM Reply   
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Not exactly the same as Adelson telling him to give up now is it?
Not exactly. But he runs the editorial board like Bezos runs WaPo's. You'd better believe that if the editorial says quit, that it has Adelson's approval.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 8:07 AM Reply   
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Not exactly. But he runs the editorial board like Bezos runs WaPo's. You'd better believe that if the editorial says quit, that it has Adelson's approval.
Oh well.

Bush vs Gore was not done until Dec 13. Not worried about the legal processes.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 8:07 AM Reply   
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Again, you and the main stream media is pedaling in lies again.

USPS whistleblower denies report he recanted voter fraud claims

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-w...d-allegations/

In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32.
Headline: Recanting Man Recants Recantation
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 8:09 AM Reply   
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Oh well.

Bush vs Gore was not done until Dec 13. Not worried about the legal processes.
Which legal cases do you believe have actual merit at this point? Seems like there was a shotgun blast of initial suits, many of which were kinda questionable. Which do you think will stick and result in overturning the results of the election?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 9:16 AM Reply   
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They hate them? They loved and protected them until the evidence became overwhelming against them then they turned on them. You want to hear all the hollywood people fain over Weinstein? Shall I post the videos of it or do you just want to go look for yourself?

Russian and Ukraine hoax was treason.
No doubt Weinstein got away with a lot for a long time but justice is being served. Epstein is a pal to the wealthy, not party specific. Pedos on both sides, will be interesting to see that one unfold.
I know we impeached Trump for the Ukraine debacle, the AG and GOP senate covered up for his azz on the other. Treasonous acts and he got away with it. Sick.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 9:26 AM Reply   
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Again, you and the main stream media is pedaling in lies again.

USPS whistleblower denies report he recanted voter fraud claims

https://nypost.com/2020/11/11/usps-w...d-allegations/

In a video posted Tuesday evening, Richard Hopkins, a United States Postal Service worker in the must-win swing state, denied taking back his statements when speaking to authorities.

“I’m here to say I did not recant my statements. That did not happen,” said Hopkins, 32.
Like milk, doesnt last when you let it sit out.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdp...rce=reddit.com
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-12-2020, 9:47 AM Reply   
For your next Zoom meeting.
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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 10:58 AM Reply   
So where is Trump on Covid? I know he claimed that it was all bunk and was being used as a fake election issue, but we've seen record numbers day after day. Utah is in total triage mode and in my hood we aren't far behind. poops gonna totally hit the fan in a few weeks.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 11:07 AM Reply   
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Which legal cases do you believe have actual merit at this point? Seems like there was a shotgun blast of initial suits, many of which were kinda questionable. Which do you think will stick and result in overturning the results of the election?
To be honest, I have not been paying attention specifically. Changing laws just prior to an election and sending out millions of ballots to anyone has fraud written all over it. I have seen how kalifornia has changed in my time here due to these things and laws to take advantage of it. I say count them again.

Lot's of odd things. It is not typical for a party to lose seats in congress but win the president. That sounds like some statistical odd stuff. Things such as more people voted for Biden than voted for Obama? obviously possible because more voted for Trump too. Only difference is, I saw very few people actually excited about voting for Biden. Hard to imagine that more people were motivated for Biden than to vote in the first black president especially with minority voters.

Hand counting millions of ballots is going to have gross errors. I have been in jury selection with my peers and we as a collective are not a brilliant lot. now those same people are counting ballots by the thousands without ever doing that process. Plenty of room to don't but say you did kind of deal or simply not be able to count. Some of the most brilliant democrat (communist) professors in American universities have documented the process we are seeing right now. The goal is to overwhelm the system. Even Obama during the last couple years in interviews have said out loud to keep them uncomfortable. That means in his commie community organizing is to do just what is happening.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 11:12 AM Reply   
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So where is Trump on Covid? I know he claimed that it was all bunk and was being used as a fake election issue, but we've seen record numbers day after day. Utah is in total triage mode and in my hood we aren't far behind. poops gonna totally hit the fan in a few weeks.
What about Trump and COVID? Didn't think you wanted to hear from him anyway. The response is the states call on what to do. Didn't your state do enough?

My wife reminded me that she said this a couple months back. She said that right after the election they were going to lock it all down again. Gee.... I wonder what the states are going to do?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 11:14 AM Reply   
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What about Trump and COVID?
Seems like he's quit even worrying about it or talking about it or heaven forbid providing some leadership. Why has he given up?

At this point it's becoming an urgent national security issue.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-12-2020, 11:17 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier View Post
To be honest, I have not been paying attention specifically. Changing laws just prior to an election and sending out millions of ballots to anyone has fraud written all over it. I have seen how kalifornia has changed in my time here due to these things and laws to take advantage of it. I say count them again.

Lot's of odd things. It is not typical for a party to lose seats in congress but win the president. That sounds like some statistical odd stuff. Things such as more people voted for Biden than voted for Obama? obviously possible because more voted for Trump too. Only difference is, I saw very few people actually excited about voting for Biden. Hard to imagine that more people were motivated for Biden than to vote in the first black president especially with minority voters.

Hand counting millions of ballots is going to have gross errors. I have been in jury selection with my peers and we as a collective are not a brilliant lot. now those same people are counting ballots by the thousands without ever doing that process. Plenty of room to don't but say you did kind of deal or simply not be able to count. Some of the most brilliant democrat (communist) professors in American universities have documented the process we are seeing right now. The goal is to overwhelm the system. Even Obama during the last couple years in interviews have said out loud to keep them uncomfortable. That means in his commie community organizing is to do just what is happening.
So you don't think any of the cases have merit then? But you do have deep suspicion when a dem wins...? Which is almost like a legal case?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 11:24 AM Reply   
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Seems like he's quit even worrying about it or talking about it or heaven forbid providing some leadership. Why has he given up?

At this point it's becoming an urgent national security issue.
Is it? The first time around was worse because we did not even have critical supply chains identified and have supply chains set up for a global work stoppage. Should be better this time around. Other thing we have going for us even though the press is trying to scare everyone for politics, if you notice how they reported the news? They are reporting cases going up, not death rate. you have to read between the lines of political hacks sometimes. We are better at treating it now thankfully.

Only difference this time Pelosi has no where to go if they lock it down. She wanted to game the system to get far left agendas pushed through on the lives/ livelyhoods of voters while things were kind of opening up. Now your guy won and there is nothing in place to help the work stoppages (if they come again). If they lock it down now, I am pretty sure you are going to see real going out of business sales on non critical parts of the economy.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-12-2020, 11:36 AM Reply   
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So you don't think any of the cases have merit then? But you do have deep suspicion when a dem wins...? Which is almost like a legal case?
No. Just saying I don't care that much. They will work themselves out. Like I said, I for the most part do better with big government. I hope they do remove the salt limitation. That would work great for me.

I did not care when Obama won. It was disappointing. When Clinton won I was disappointed. I did not doubt the elections. I just know historically how democrats tend to "find" votes. I have seen how this has been working in kalifornia for 30 years and how one sided the rigging has become. I don't trust a party who will stop at nothing to win. Everyone making up stuff and rioting for 4 years to get such an emotional rise out of people. Nothing was left untouched to that end. Even so bad that democrats knew they pushed their people so far that they boarded up their own towns just in case. I call that kind of party dangerous and devious.

I am sure there are some home run swings being put out there in some cases. Just reading on how communists have documented over the century on how to doctor elections and now we seem to ahve those very scenerios going on sends up a lot of smoke. Then the fact the democrat parties communists have captured a very large platform in the party is sending sparks. I am sure there is fire somewhere. If they are looking at the statistics of how vote percentages went up like Wisconsin in those 6 counties, they should pursue them. Should look into how a couple of the vote totals went up by over 150,000 to zero in a couple places in over night totaling. They should look at where they are hassling people who had a legal right to watch the count. They should recount areas where they officially said they were stopped counting for the night and then counted more when all observers went home. They should recount and look at districts that had zero Trump votes.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-12-2020, 11:45 AM Reply   
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What do you think the COVID peak will be after in person voting kicks in? I reckon it will be 150k cases per day in 3-4 weeks and 3k deaths per day in 6 weeks.

Any other guesses?
Ok undershot that one over 150k in 9 days. Not out of the question you will be at 300K per day in another 2 weeks.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 11:49 AM Reply   
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To be honest, I have not been paying attention specifically. Changing laws just prior to an election and sending out millions of ballots to anyone has fraud written all over it. I have seen how kalifornia has changed in my time here due to these things and laws to take advantage of it. I say count them again.

Lot's of odd things. It is not typical for a party to lose seats in congress but win the president. That sounds like some statistical odd stuff. Things such as more people voted for Biden than voted for Obama? obviously possible because more voted for Trump too. Only difference is, I saw very few people actually excited about voting for Biden. Hard to imagine that more people were motivated for Biden than to vote in the first black president especially with minority voters.

Hand counting millions of ballots is going to have gross errors. I have been in jury selection with my peers and we as a collective are not a brilliant lot. now those same people are counting ballots by the thousands without ever doing that process. Plenty of room to don't but say you did kind of deal or simply not be able to count. Some of the most brilliant democrat (communist) professors in American universities have documented the process we are seeing right now. The goal is to overwhelm the system. Even Obama during the last couple years in interviews have said out loud to keep them uncomfortable. That means in his commie community organizing is to do just what is happening.
Since youre defending trump like he pays you, you should pay attn to what he claims. I mean he might say some crazy stuff you dont believe. Or do we just change our opinion based on trumps tweets?
So, How about this case, Whats your take?
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...rpiegate-case/

Trumps DHS just released their take on the 2020 election. They say it was the most secure election in history.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/12/...ng-compromised
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-12-2020, 12:00 PM Reply   
Trump’s own homeland security dept calls election “most secure in American history”

https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-...1829a4aef.html
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       11-12-2020, 12:50 PM Reply   
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Headline: Recanting Man Recants Recantation
why did they backdate ballots?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       11-12-2020, 1:36 PM Reply   
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So where is Trump on Covid? I know he claimed that it was all bunk and was being used as a fake election issue, but we've seen record numbers day after day. Utah is in total triage mode and in my hood we aren't far behind. poops gonna totally hit the fan in a few weeks.
dont worry the Global reset plan is on its way to eliminate capitalism and make all your worries go away. no need to fear covid, you will be able to lock down for years
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 1:39 PM Reply   
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why did they backdate ballots?
Like i mentioned earlier. If you just did a 30 second google search before you believe fake news. Life would improve
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/t...cials-say.html
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       11-12-2020, 1:54 PM Reply   
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Like i mentioned earlier. If you just did a 30 second google search before you believe fake news. Life would improve
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/t...cials-say.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeTEFD1ljQ

example of what he said, his interview. he did not recant his statements
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-12-2020, 2:54 PM Reply   
This is your source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 2:48 AM Reply   
Bypass the media and go directly to the source. This is where his evidence of election fraud comes from. The POTUS should not be relying on entertainment news editorials for information. Anyone that thinks someone this delusional should be leading America is nothing more than a gullible tool.
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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-13-2020, 3:10 AM Reply   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeTEFD1ljQ

example of what he said, his interview. he did not recant his statements
You know who Project Veritas is right lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...b8e_story.html
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 3:48 AM Reply   
Kind of ironic that the only win in court that the Trump administration has had is to invalidate the enhanced verification of the legitimacy of votes that arrived with an error that would otherwise invalidate them. So much for wanting to see every legitimate voter to have his vote counted.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law...-with-id-fixes
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 3:49 AM Reply   
Its getting even more embarrassing, another law firm quits on trump. Good thing Sleepy Joe is a father and grandfather, he has experience handling infants throwing hissy fits. So whats the end game for republican lawmakers who continue to coddle the kicking, screaming and whining child?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/b...nsylvania.html
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 4:31 AM Reply   
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Ok undershot that one over 150k in 9 days. Not out of the question you will be at 300K per day in another 2 weeks.
So the hundreds of thousands partying in the streets for a potential Biden election is not part of that? The rioting by the democrats is not part of that? It was the voting? ok.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 4:36 AM Reply   
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So the hundreds of thousands partying in the streets for a potential Biden election is not part of that? The rioting by the democrats is not part of that? It was the voting? ok.
"Potential"? is this like in dumb and dumber when he asks Mary if he has a chance?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 4:52 AM Reply   
EXCELLENT NEWS: Trump to run again in 2024. No need to close this thread, 4 more years on Trump rallies in coming. So happy.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 4:56 AM Reply   
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So the hundreds of thousands partying in the streets for a potential Biden election is not part of that? The rioting by the democrats is not part of that? It was the voting? ok.
Yes, loopy libs partying in the streets are definitely super spreader events. There are idiots of all flavors, seems USA is over populated with them.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 5:01 AM Reply   
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EXCELLENT NEWS: Trump to run again in 2024. No need to close this thread, 4 more years on Trump rallies in coming. So happy.
I would dare to say the best thing that can happen to this country is for the dems to win in Georgia and gain all 3 sections of government. Let the public see the all out assault on our rights from the communist portion (aka the main portion) of the democrat party.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 5:09 AM Reply   
Do I have to start calling you comrade yet or does that happen Jan 20th?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 5:12 AM Reply   
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Do I have to start calling you comrade yet or does that happen Jan 20th?
You can call each other that. How does it feel to be a prisoner of the government over there?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 5:16 AM Reply   
Imagine if you can a man so unhinged that he can't maintain a consistent line of reasoning long enough to support his argument on one page of the forum.

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Only difference is, I saw very few people actually excited about voting for Biden.
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So the hundreds of thousands partying in the streets for a potential Biden election is not part of that?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 5:37 AM Reply   
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You can call each other that. How does it feel to be a prisoner of the government over there?
The government just got re-elected in a landslide. That's what happens when you competently deal with a crisis.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 5:56 AM Reply   
Another headline from the Fox News cult of half truths. They forgot to mention Canada, UK, Ireland, South Korea, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Germany, and Turkey. When you calculate it out, it's more like 10% truth.
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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 5:57 AM Reply   
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Imagine if you can a man so unhinged that he can't maintain a consistent line of reasoning long enough to support his argument on one page of the forum.
Unhinged huh? My party is not the one looting, burning, creating Sahara McGloflin videos on save the democrats from Trump, Pulling on every emotional string you think you could get including abusing a foreign child by emotionally panicking her and sending her around the world to campaigning for your lousy fear mongering, and of course crying for 4 years on a thread that orange man is bad.. Who is unhinged? Look in the mirror commie.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 5:58 AM Reply   
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The government just got re-elected in a landslide. That's what happens when you competently deal with a crisis.
Our government has dealt with it in the way the constitution dictates. I can not help the democrats can not keep their people out of the streets burning, looting and murdering each other.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 6:02 AM Reply   
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Our government has dealt with it in the way the constitution dictates. I can not help the democrats can not keep their people out of the streets burning, looting and murdering each other.
You keep pedaling this nonsense that the President doesn't have the power to do this and do that. Leaders lead, you don't have to use force to achieve things you can inspire people to take a path if you are a true leader.

It says a lot about you that you think the only way to achieve something is through force.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 6:11 AM Reply   
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Unhinged huh? My party is not the one looting, burning, creating Sahara McGloflin videos on save the democrats from Trump, Pulling on every emotional string you think you could get including abusing a foreign child by emotionally panicking her and sending her around the world to campaigning for your lousy fear mongering, and of course crying for 4 years on a thread that orange man is bad.. Who is unhinged? Look in the mirror commie.
Sorry man, but I don't have a party. And your irrational emotional outburst here is just further evidence that you are unhinged. You can't even recognize how comparing those two things you posted are evidence that the logic in your argument is flawed. You are motivated by emotion rather than intellect.

The only reason I registered for a party is because being an independent reduces your ability to have your voice heard in my state. In the election I voted for a Florida amendment to allow you to vote in the primaries without party affiliation. If it passes then I will change to independent. If it doesn't then I may consider switching to Republican. The rationale behind that is Florida leans red and a Republican is more likely to win. If I vote in the primaries as a Republican I can support the one who is best aligned with my beliefs and have more influence than as a Democrat. I may still vote for a Democrat in the election, but if the Republican wins then hopefully it would be the one who would be my second choice.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 6:21 AM Reply   
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Unhinged huh? My party is not the one looting, burning, creating Sahara McGloflin videos on save the democrats from Trump, Pulling on every emotional string you think you could get including abusing a foreign child by emotionally panicking her and sending her around the world to campaigning for your lousy fear mongering, and of course crying for 4 years on a thread that orange man is bad.. Who is unhinged? Look in the mirror commie.
LOL, blaming the democrats by using a Swedish environmentalist? Thought you wanted to use the Swedish plan? BTW, she operates on fact, not emotion. In other news, POTUS is melting down in real time, hiding in his basement. Wont even face the public, wont do his job. Apparently, orange man is bad.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-13-2020, 6:29 AM Reply   
there they are!
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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 6:32 AM Reply   
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Sorry man, but I don't have a party. And your irrational emotional outburst here is just further evidence that you are unhinged. You can't even recognize how comparing those two things you posted are evidence that the logic in your argument is flawed. You are motivated by emotion rather than intellect.

The only reason I registered for a party is because being an independent reduces your ability to have your voice heard in my state. In the election I voted for a Florida amendment to allow you to vote in the primaries without party affiliation. If it passes then I will change to independent. If it doesn't then I may consider switching to Republican. The rationale behind that is Florida leans red and a Republican is more likely to win. If I vote in the primaries as a Republican I can support the one who is best aligned with my beliefs and have more influence than as a Democrat. I may still vote for a Democrat in the election, but if the Republican wins then hopefully it would be the one who would be my second choice.
Wrong o bucko. One can note pre-election that there was no excitement for Biden. You can usually see it all over gaming sites with young people. You can see it with bumper stickers, signs, general talk. Hell, not ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU were excited for Biden. All you could talk about (just like your emotional drivel for 4 years) is your unfounded hatred for Trump.

Speaking of emotion, you just did what you are accusing me of. You seem over the years to be somewhat reasonable and I can tell that the democrats burning, looting and leftist agenda seems to leave a sour taste in your mouth or maybe it doesn't. Seems to be the read I am getting on you. Unfortunately, the democrat party is leaving you behind being that you are an old white previledged dude. Isn't race and financial politics fun. We can make any and all decisions on who you are and what you should get out of society simply by your age, sex (if your party/ former party believes in science of x and y chromosomes at all) and color.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 6:36 AM Reply   
Life is so much nicer in here now that I took a play from the democrats and canceled Sn95. Maybe I will like this new ruling party after all. I need a new xbox and 120Hz OLED tv and some Jordan's to carry it all back. Going to post election register as a democrat so I can still get my vote in for Biden (seems I can vote forever under my new identity as a democrat), break a few locks and windows and get my free stuff on.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 6:42 AM Reply   
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You keep pedaling this nonsense that the President doesn't have the power to do this and do that. Leaders lead, you don't have to use force to achieve things you can inspire people to take a path if you are a true leader.

It says a lot about you that you think the only way to achieve something is through force.
Inspire what? Truth? The truth is, not every state has the same requirements. period. They do not have the same weather, they don't have the same population density, they do not have same finanical status. A real leader will look at that and tell them that they know what they need to do to manage it and be there for them. Period. YOU seem to think only power will work. We willl "inspire" people to give up their income and social interaction months early because one of these "children of the world" democrat coastal states is having a problem now, when little state 2500 miles away is having zero problems now and wont for 2 or 3 months. You have not idea what you are talking about.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 6:47 AM Reply   
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You keep pedaling this nonsense that the President doesn't have the power to do this and do that. Leaders lead, you don't have to use force to achieve things you can inspire people to take a path if you are a true leader.

It says a lot about you that you think the only way to achieve something is through force.
Did French Polynesia or other countries at that distance have the same response at the same time as New Zealand? About the same distance from your country from California to the great lake states.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       11-13-2020, 6:54 AM Reply   
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You keep pedaling this nonsense that the President doesn't have the power to do this and do that. Leaders lead, you don't have to use force to achieve things you can inspire people to take a path if you are a true leader.

It says a lot about you that you think the only way to achieve something is through force.
Besides, now you want Trump to be a true leader when from day one the response was "RESISTANCE". Bull ****. We have been assaulted with resistance for 4 years. This one thread alone has hijacked all things because of the democrats unrational hartred. My wife had a long time friend call my wife up to fight about politics and curse her out because my wife did not buy into this BLM crap. We are no long friends with her or her family because of it. You people are bankrupt.

From what I am reading, many of those other island countries actually cut you guys off and did not allow travel from your island to their islands. That is rich as heck. hahahaha..... Their response was to do nothing but stop you from going there.

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 6:59 AM Reply   
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Did French Polynesia or other countries at that distance have the same response at the same time as New Zealand? About the same distance from your country from California to the great lake states.
Arrg, are you really that stupid? We have a national plan which is implemented regionally. Really, it's not that hard.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-13-2020, 7:01 AM Reply   
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Wrong o bucko. One can note pre-election that there was no excitement for Biden. You can usually see it all over gaming sites with young people. You can see it with bumper stickers, signs, general talk. Hell, not ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU were excited for Biden. All you could talk about (just like your emotional drivel for 4 years) is your unfounded hatred for Trump.
This is from your cult of half truths. You tried to say that Biden didn't get those votes legitimately because people weren't excited about Biden. The full truth is wanting Trump out of office is also a motivator for the Biden vote. If you believe what you wrote then you don't have the intellectual capacity to connect the full line of reasoning that contributes to the results we've seen. If you don't believe what you wrote then you are engaging in deception.

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Speaking of emotion, you just did what you are accusing me of. You seem over the years to be somewhat reasonable and I can tell that the democrats burning, looting and leftist agenda seems to leave a sour taste in your mouth or maybe it doesn't. Seems to be the read I am getting on you. Unfortunately, the democrat party is leaving you behind being that you are an old white previledged dude. Isn't race and financial politics fun. We can make any and all decisions on who you are and what you should get out of society simply by your age, sex (if your party/ former party believes in science of x and y chromosomes at all) and color.
I can't even parse the last couple of sentences. And you didn't tell me exactly what emotion over logic you are referring to in the "you just did what you are accusing me of".

There is no question that I have zero sympathy for rioting and looting. And again I don't identify with the Democratic party. So if they are leaving me behind it's because I never reserved a seat. I identify with policy. I can also separate the people from the street with those in positions in Congress and the WH. It's an individual right to say stupid things whether you are Democrat or Republican. But when politicians say something it carries weight in terms of ramifications. I would never accuse a conservative here, no matter how unhinged I think they are, of being aligned with a right winger commiting crimes. You, OTOH are incapable of restraining yourself from doing so. And that makes you look like a clown.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 7:09 AM Reply   
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This is from your cult of half truths. You tried to say that Biden didn't get those votes legitimately because people weren't excited about Biden. The full truth is wanting Trump out of office is also a motivator for the Biden vote.
Let's be honest, a fermented cabbage makes a better President than Trump, the bar is so low that even a bewildered 80 year old is a better option.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-13-2020, 7:23 AM Reply   
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The government just got re-elected in a landslide. That's what happens when you competently deal with a crisis.
Putin always gets “re-elected in landslides” all the time too.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-13-2020, 7:29 AM Reply   
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Let's be honest, a fermented cabbage makes a better President than Trump, the bar is so low that even a bewildered 80 year old is a better option.
A fermented cabbage sounds like a recipe from a country whose national bird can’t even fly.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-13-2020, 7:39 AM Reply   
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A fermented cabbage sounds like a recipe from a country whose national bird can’t even fly.
Ironically I have just bottled my batch of Kombucha.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 7:59 AM Reply   
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Putin always gets “re-elected in landslides” all the time too.
Do they poison the opposition in the election like Putin?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 8:08 AM Reply   
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Besides, now you want Trump to be a true leader when from day one the response was "RESISTANCE". Bull ****. We have been assaulted with resistance for 4 years. This one thread alone has hijacked all things because of the democrats unrational hartred. My wife had a long time friend call my wife up to fight about politics and curse her out because my wife did not buy into this BLM crap. We are no long friends with her or her family because of it. You people are bankrupt. Is it really worth it too lose long time friends over a guy who will be unemployed and gone in a couple months? Seems shortsighted. Friends and family should avoid politics if it pushes them over the cliff. It appears incoherent to say people dislike trump have "unrational hatred". People have posted virtually hundreds of rational reasons for the dislike. It isnt "unrational".

From what I am reading, many of those other island countries actually cut you guys off and did not allow travel from your island to their islands. That is rich as heck. hahahaha..... Their response was to do nothing but stop you from going there.
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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-13-2020, 8:38 AM Reply   
The election results have just been released today.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...0HGuXQZT3CSS74

So the White House press secretary when asked if Trump will attend Bidens inauguration responds that The President plans to attend his own inauguration, he will be president. WTF?
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ell-attend-his
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