Lake Limits 21' and 3100lbs. Outback or older X1. Any other contenders

Appreciate any knowledge you all can provide. I just joined a private lake that has boat limits of 3100lbs and 21 feet. I want to buy a V drive Wakeboard Boat for as close to $30k as possible but could stretch to $40k if the value is there. So far i can find that the 2006-08 Moomba Outback V is 21' and 3000lbs and the 2006-07 Mastercraft X-1 is 20.5' and 3050lbs(although many places say they are 3200) according to manufacturers manual. I'm in the midwest so we don't see many Sanger or Centurions but suppose I could have it shipped if it were worth it. I think there are some Malibu boats that are within that range but not sure which ones or if its worth the extra money over the MC X1.

I would like the boat to be 2004 or newer and still have lots of life left(lower hours). PP and built in ballast are a must. Does anyone know of any other good boats that fit the criteria?

I found an 06 X-1 with around 200hours for $35k. Has good colors, tandem trailer, pp, ballast and seems to be well cared for. I just missed an 07 outback with 167 hours for $27k that had all the goods and even had a heater. Sold the morning I was going to see it. I'm trying to get the MC for $30k but they are not having it even this time of year.

Suppose its worth mentioning that we are not great at wake boarding but enjoy it. Have little kids and would really like to be able to surf as well if possible.

Thanks for any assistance.

Tige RZR/R20

A late model V210 will hit the price point and height/weight limitations. It is a great boat, similar in performance to the X1.

Just about every Manufacturer offers a 20 footer that will fit. Malibu VTX, Axis A20, Tige R20/ RZR/ 20V, Moomba OutbackV(or Mobuis LSV 21), Moomba 20V, MC 205V/ Then OG Xstar/ X-1/ X-2(all same boat), Nautique 200V. There's others also.

If you find one in California I'd be interested in bringing it to you. Depending on where your at.

And I only tow sangers. #woodstringers

Thanks for the replies.

Am i right that only the 07 VTX is under 3100lbs. 08+ are all 3300 or more.
Cant find any specs for Axis or Tige that are under 3100lbs. I think they are all too heavy. Even the mobius LSV is too heavy.

I'll put the 06 sanger v210 on the list and use red to ship it if need be.

Let me know. Great boat you will love it.

Looks like the VTX is out of my price range as well.

This is screaming 2006-2007 Sanger v210. Look in the California central valley and Bay areas. A lot of Sangers come up for sale there on a weekly basis.

For a small private lake I would definitely be looking for a V210.

Efficient, great wake with little weight(comparatively anyways), out handles every other vdrive on the water, real solid boat. To me the normal disadvantages don't really matter in your situation which are low freeboard and not a ton of interior space.

http://reno.craigslist.org/boa/4746046054.html

Not sure what options are on it.

The Tige R20

Original Mastercraft Xstar/205v/x1

Supra 20ssv

Moomba Outback V

Centurion Cyclone

Sanger v210

The R20 is 3075lbs dry weight according to the tige website. http://www.onlyinboards.com/2015-Tig...ire-46955.aspx this is cool it has the new raptor motor which I have heard are pretty awesome however I can't speak from personal expirience, I know its out of the range but something to look into.

Get an older Nautique 2001, load the hell out of it with ballast and buy a pontoon boat for everyone else to hangout on.

Good idea^^

Where are you at?

Recap
Tige R20 is sweet but too expensive. Good chance this is the boat I'll get in a five years though if the lake rules stay the same.

Supra SSV, Moomba Mobius LSV, Axis A20, Malibu VTX are either too heavy or too expensive. Gonna pass on Centurion.

I think its down to 06-07 Outback V, MC 205V most likely 05 X-2 or 06-07 X-1, or 07-08 Sanger V210. Should I be concerned there are no Sanger dealers or will it be fine to take it to a third party mechanic? Sanger Seems like the best bang for the buck but hardest to acquire.

I'm in Kansas City

Sanger uses Mercrusiser drivetrain so the service network is probably the largest available

had a supra 20ssv. great boat. decent wakeboard wake and with a lot of added weight, a surfwake that has height, but tough to get length out of it. mine was an '06 and never a single issue with it at the 325hr mark. solid boat...
friend had an '05 sanger and had issues with the engine running right and interior quality was subpar. could have been a friday boat tho.

2009 or newer Supra Sunsport 20v.

3,100 pounds.

I will echo Darren. Mercruiser is the easiest engine to find parts and mechanics for so that shouldnt be an issue. The 03-05 Merc engines had some manifold gasket issues. Nothing major but annoying. If you got a boat with the bad gasket or warped manifold gasket sealer easily rectified the situation.

Sanger is a solid boat. Of the ones you mentioned still on the list it will take the east amount of weight to get the wakes pumping. I would say of the v210 outback v and MC the MC wakeboats the best. The Moomba surfs the best and the Sanger is good at both and give you a much more solid ride. All 3 drive nice tho

If your looking at those particular boats they should be running mid 30's I would think. A used r20 should be able to be found for 40 I would think.

Trayson,
I was looking into the Sunspot but supra's site says they are 3200 even though I have seen other literature stating 3100 like you.

Thanks for the info on servicing. And thanks for everyones help trying to come up with all the boats that fit the bill.

Of the three I think I might have to let convenience and price be the deciding factor. There are very few boats for sale right now. Just the one 06 X-1 within driving distance but they are not willing to move enough on the price.

Thanks Again for the help.

If you're in KC what lake did you move to? sounds like the limits for Lotowana. If thats the case you will have to have all wake enhancements disabled by a mechanic and have a certificate saying he did it.

This includes ballast wake plates surf gate everything. That lake has more wake boarding restrictions than any lake in KC that allows power boating.

Sangers wont be found here

Malibu VRIDES would be a good bet probably your best bet in the area just had a buddy sell his 06 around that price point. Also any OG Xstar hull would work.

I live in Raintree in Lees summit PM me maybe we can ride. My boat sits on lift all summer on the lake. I know a couple out at Lotowana who can fill you in on all of their policies.

Originally Posted by tgmind

Trayson,
I was looking into the Sunspot but supra's site says they are 3200 even though I have seen other literature stating 3100 like you.

Older ones say 3200. The 2009 and newer are listed on Supra's site as 3,100.

http://www.supraboats.com/archive/#

Click on 2009, and Sunsport 20v.

Originally Posted by jhartt3

If you're in KC what lake did you move to? sounds like the limits for Lotowana. If thats the case you will have to have all wake enhancements disabled by a mechanic and have a certificate saying he did it.

This includes ballast wake plates surf gate everything. That lake has more wake boarding restrictions than any lake in KC that allows power boating.

Yes lotawana, Actually don't close on the house until tomorrow. I know the rules are strict but didn't know that strict. Thanks a lot for the info.

Originally Posted by trayson

Older ones say 3200. The 2009 and newer are listed on Supra's site as 3,100.

http://www.supraboats.com/archive/#

Click on 2009, and Sunsport 20v.

Good catch Trayson, That would be a great boat then if I can find one.

Originally Posted by jhartt3

If you're in KC what lake did you move to? sounds like the limits for Lotowana. If thats the case you will have to have all wake enhancements disabled by a mechanic and have a certificate saying he did it.

This includes ballast wake plates surf gate everything. That lake has more wake boarding restrictions than any lake in KC that allows power boating.

Sounds like Lake Oswego over here in Portland. They are SO restrictive (same thing, have to disable ballast systems and wake enhancing devices and have it certified) that I could never live there. I have a friend that lives there that only slalom skis, so he loves it.

Cheap pre '93 2001 Nautique that needs stringers. While deck is off getting stringers done, replace foam with 800 lbs. of concrete. Stealth Bomber.
Ballast? what ballast?

Originally Posted by baitkiller

Cheap pre '93 2001 Nautique that needs stringers. While deck is off getting stringers done, replace foam with 800 lbs. of concrete. Stealth Bomber.
Ballast? what ballast?

Lead weighs more than concrete for the size... just sayin'

How about doing some of those "lead core stringers". hahaha

05 06 vride BU, 3000 lbs great wake, maybe one of the best boats for the money, its a vlx pre 05 (if i remember correctly)

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I think we are forgetting something here, the surfing part. I rode a buddys 2004 MC x2 (same hull as X1/xstar/205v to my knowledge) and the wake was ridiculous. We slammed it once and wake was a blast, most often rode it with about 1300 in ballast and wake was clean. HOWEVER, we tried to set it up for surfing and just couldnt do it. We tried longer surf boards, loaded more in front than back, more in back than front... you just didnt have a big enough pocket to enjoy surfing.

Great wake boat (besides interior space), not so great surf wake... Maybe if you prefab up a janky surf tab like new x1's... hmm...

The x2 (06+) is a better surf boat but has a much more mellow wakeboard wake than the x1, A good surf wake can be achieved in a x1 but its not going to blow your socks off. Also to me the x1 feels smaller than it is. The new style x2 feels huge for that size of a boat and has a ton more storage.

Sounds like he can't put any ballast in it anyway. That the system has to be disabled and certified. Only way to surf at that point is cheeto's to attract big girls!!

2004 Malibu Wakesetter 21 VLX **PRICE REDUCED** boat measures 20' 6"

We have had our X1 for a year now. It has a fantastic wakeboard wake and what I'll call a useable surf wake. If surfing isn't of much interest for you, then it's a great boat. If you like to surf often, I'd get something else. First thing I did was change the ballast setup. Wakemakers makes really simple kits to change your capacity and keep it all integrated and looking factory. Change out the 225lb hard tanks in the rear for 750lb bags and then piggyback an integrated bow sac off the kgb. I still then end up throwing a 400lb bag in the bow walkway if running the rear full but this setup gives you all kinds of wake options for beginner through pro level riders. As far as surfing goes, it's a very surfable boat but you'll want a pretty good board and you'll never get a very long pocket. As others have stated, the interior room is not huge but the size of the boat also helps the handling. It drives very good for a v drive. The X1 is a very good option as long as you don't regularly run with a large crew or spend a lot of time surfing.

The 2004 Wakesetter linked above looks nice. Can I get some more opinions of these three boats.
2008 Sanger V210
2006 MC X-1
2004 (Older Hull) Wakesetter

I like the option of surfing but probably shouldn't take it heavy into account given my lake is being super strict on no ballast or wedge. However there is another public lake 10 minutes away. I should probably be most concerned with reliability, interior size, and resale value.

Thanks

So as I've stated a few times I'd stay away from sanger for resale and other reasons above. X-1 is solid you'll love it. That but is solid youll love it. I don't think either are amazing prices. I'd wait til a few more boats become available. The equivalent to the x-1 with bu is the vride. You will have to your wedge off on your lake for sure on the bu. The people I know have a vride on lotowana and its wedge is removed.

Sanger resale is better as a percentage than any of the big three

How many hours is too many? This 04 Wakesetter seems to be extremely well kept He stores it inside and trailers it to the lake. It has 950 hours. Holy cow that seems like a lot. The dealer says he's super motivated to sell before year end so he can take advantage of some rebate from Axis. Its listed at $29,900. Do that many hours scare you off if its been maintained well?

That's about 90 hours a season on average so it's not bad but it is quite a few. My old I/O had over 3000 but it smoked when I finally got rid of it. For sure get it checked. The '04 has a fairly flat bottom and thumps more than newer Malibu in chop. It is the same hull as the Vride they started selling in '06. If he's telling you he is really motivated to sell it then look at up to 20% off what he's asking at a guess for this month.

The 04 wakesetter is a great boat, they need quite a bit of weight to fatten up the wake but it is easy to hide and drives pretty well loaded. Much deeper and roomer than the sanger. Not sure how they surf. Wouldn't be overly put off by the hours if it looks clean and the compression test comes up roses.

Originally Posted by tgmind

How many hours is too many? This 04 Wakesetter seems to be extremely well kept He stores it inside and trailers it to the lake. It has 950 hours. Holy cow that seems like a lot. The dealer says he's super motivated to sell before year end so he can take advantage of some rebate from Axis. Its listed at $29,900. Do that many hours scare you off if its been maintained well?

Depends on the part of the country you're in. my 2008 XLV has about 700 hours and that's on the higher end for sure for the Pacific NW for that year. my 92 Supra sunsport just turned 700 hours when I sold it just after labor day.

I think that if you're looking at resale as part of the equation, that you're going to scare off a lot of potential buyers when you're trying to sell a boat with over 1000 hours. not that it SHOULD be a factor, but to many it will be when they can find boats with lower hours for not a ton more money. it's all perception.

If you got it for the right price, then it might be worth a go...