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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-03-2020, 8:29 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier View Post
And, how did he do? Is he still with us?
He's fine. It was probably just the flu. COVID-19 is way worse than the flu. They don't close down the country for the flu. But it's possible to have covid and not develop severe symptoms as well. Don't really care about what goes on in Georgia.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 8:34 AM Reply   
Well keeping Americans safe is important, right?
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 8:37 AM Reply   
And if we have teams that are ready to pounce on these issues, thats helpful, right? (he dissolved them)
And if we have the ability to then identify real threats and mobilizer, thats helpful, right? (he ignored them)
And if we have the ability to test and isolate affected populations, then we can impact the spread. (he didnt get this done)
Say what you want, but he had plenty of opportunities to intervene and he didnt, the buck stops with him. If that offends him, snowflake shouldn't have been president.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:39 AM Reply   
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He's fine. It was probably just the flu. COVID-19 is way worse than the flu. They don't close down the country for the flu. But it's possible to have covid and not develop severe symptoms as well. Don't really care about what goes on in Georgia.
With more of your ignorant snark, you are wrong again.

Closing Schools Saved Lives During the Spanish Flu. Can It Work for Coronavirus?
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2...e-spanish.html

Closing American schools earlier and for a longer period of time blunted the impact of the Spanish Flu in 1918, said J. Alexander Navarro, a co-author of the 2007 study and assistant director of the center. In that global pandemic, at least 50 million people died worldwide, including 675,000 in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Navarro and other scholars studied how 43 cities across the country responded to the Spanish Flu from 1918 to 1919. They found that cities that early on enacted “non-pharmaceutical interventions,” or NPIs, like school closures or bans on public gatherings, had a lower peak mortality and lower overall morbidity than cities that waited longer to do so.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200...r-almost-month

During the worst pandemic in modern times, Austin shut down for almost a month

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ut-coronavirus
Closed borders and ‘black weddings’: what the 1918 flu teaches us about coronavirus
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:45 AM Reply   
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And if we have teams that are ready to pounce on these issues, thats helpful, right? (he dissolved them)
And if we have the ability to then identify real threats and mobilizer, thats helpful, right? (he ignored them)
And if we have the ability to test and isolate affected populations, then we can impact the spread. (he didnt get this done)
Say what you want, but he had plenty of opportunities to intervene and he didnt, the buck stops with him. If that offends him, snowflake shouldn't have been president.
Did he desolve them or was the resource moved to another department?

The treat was identified. This was no secret.

Can you tell us how you develop maybe a billions tests and have the lab space to measure, the infastructure to make sure said tests get to the labs and not in the hands of others that can use them as biological weapons or inadvertently create more public exposure?

Can you tell us how you make a test for something that did not exist 3 or 4 months ago?

Can you tell me that if you had said tests that you can force all 330 million Americans to take said ficticous test?

Do you know what the actual response plan and the LAW says for disaster response? Did you know that the LAW is designed to keep a president from seizing power by simply declaring an emergency?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:48 AM Reply   
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Say what you want, but he had plenty of opportunities to intervene and he didnt, the buck stops with him. If that offends him, snowflake shouldn't have been president.
This is from a Q and A with a Standford Law Professor.

What emergency powers do governors have? You’ve mentioned quarantine—is that primarily the responsibility of the states or the federal government?

The power to quarantine has traditionally been one of the primary state “police powers,” a set of powers over health, safety, and the public welfare that the states have been thought to exercise in a plenary fashion, at least in the absence of contrary federal law. Even in the earliest decisions over federal power under the Commerce Clause, the Supreme Court acknowledged the states’ authority to engage in quarantines and interpreted the Commerce Clause to protect that. Although the caselaw is not massive, courts have generally held that quarantine laws—when valid—can withstand heightened scrutiny, hence allowing for restrictions of civil liberties that would otherwise not be contemplated. Federal power to quarantine ramped up later, in the late nineteenth century, and is now codified in the Public Health Service Act, passed in 1944, which permits the federal government to quarantine those who are traveling between states or might be a probable source of infection to individuals who will be sojourning outside the state. The Public Health Service Act has not, however, been used extensively to implement domestic quarantines, and such quarantines remain largely the province of state governments.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 8:52 AM Reply   
None of that is my job, Delta. I am not the president.
Tronald Dump had the entire infrastructure of the freaking United States at his hands. And he sat on them.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:53 AM Reply   
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And if we have teams that are ready to pounce on these issues, thats helpful, right? (he dissolved them)
And if we have the ability to then identify real threats and mobilizer, thats helpful, right? (he ignored them)
And if we have the ability to test and isolate affected populations, then we can impact the spread. (he didnt get this done)
Say what you want, but he had plenty of opportunities to intervene and he didnt, the buck stops with him. If that offends him, snowflake shouldn't have been president.
And this from the same Q and A:

Can you talk about that a bit more—the limits to presidential powers?

In a decision from the Korean War known as the Steel Seizure Case, the Supreme Court decided that President Truman couldn’t constitutionally take over the steel mills in order to prevent a strike because Congress had disapproved that method of dealing with possible labor conflicts.

As some commentators have already suggested, we should be careful of the kinds of emergency powers that we urge the President to use at this point. The Stafford Act is well designed to protect against executive overreach; under the Act, state governors request relief, which the President can then provide, preserving a healthy balance between state initiative and federal response. The Defense Production Act could also assist in the creation of necessary items for the current emergency, including ventilators. The National Emergencies Act may be more ambivalent. While it could potentially permit use of defense funds and army personnel to build structures for quarantine or other necessary projects, it has recently been the subject of significant controversy because it was the source for President Trump’s ability to continue constructing a border wall between the U.S. and Mexico. We should be careful that the precedents for executive power set in the Covid-19 context do not open the door for more expansive presidential authority in such other contexts. Whether or not the President is invoking executive power, he should be using his unique rhetorical position to urge everyone in the United States to take the appropriate measures to stem the spread of Covid-19.

I guess the question to you, are you just willing to listen to the talking heads say and spew the political talking points or are you willing to go find information.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 8:54 AM Reply   
This is nothing like the Korean War.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:57 AM Reply   
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None of that is my job, Delta. I am not the president.
Tronald Dump had the entire infrastructure of the freaking United States at his hands. And he sat on them.
None of that is his job either so quit spreading lies.

You are the one posting question as if they were true. They are not true, so I ask you counter questions. I have went out and found answers. You are asking yours, well you are not asking, you are trying to pass them off as facts and then want to make the conclusion that someone is not doing their job. By doing so, you are trying to influence the people tuning in that what you saying is a fact and they should be angry. You are the problem with the world.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 8:58 AM Reply   
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This is nothing like the Korean War.
You really don't understand the world around you do you?
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 9:00 AM Reply   
Way more than you do.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       04-03-2020, 9:01 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by lesstalkmoreride View Post
And if we have teams that are ready to pounce on these issues, thats helpful, right? (he dissolved them)
And if we have the ability to then identify real threats and mobilizer, thats helpful, right? (he ignored them)
And if we have the ability to test and isolate affected populations, then we can impact the spread. (he didnt get this done)
Say what you want, but he had plenty of opportunities to intervene and he didnt, the buck stops with him. If that offends him, snowflake shouldn't have been president.
Yet, his approval rating continues to climb
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:02 AM Reply   
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This is nothing like the Korean War.
You do know that current law is predicated by past judgements right? Usually when describing a current law, people such as a highly regarded law professor, will cite where they original decision comes from to frame the discussion.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:02 AM Reply   
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Way more than you do.
Sure you do. My guess is you know where to get the weed man. that is about it.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:03 AM Reply   
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Yet, his approval rating continues to climb
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
Keep tuning in. Follow it daily. Good luck with that.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:10 AM Reply   
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None of that is my job, Delta. I am not the president.
Tronald Dump had the entire infrastructure of the freaking United States at his hands. And he sat on them.
No he did not. Quit making fake political talking points and answer my questions. Those are your accusations, come up with the proof and use facts. Just because you have the world at your hands does not mean you can go outside the law, ignore secondary safety concerns, and magically create things on the scale that has never been done.

Even if you had tests, are you going to go down, wait in line for hours, days or weeks (because that is what it would take to be tested in mass). Have you stopped by your local COSTCO lately? How long does it take to just get in there? now try and do this for 330,000,000 people? Use your dang head. People are doing the best they can under the law and the circumstances they are under.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:29 AM Reply   
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He's fine. It was probably just the flu. COVID-19 is way worse than the flu. They don't close down the country for the flu. But it's possible to have covid and not develop severe symptoms as well. Don't really care about what goes on in Georgia.
So with this. The Flu:


Influenza A is the most common type. H1N1 flu is a subtype of influenza A.

H1N1 is commonly known as swine flu but it is not really just that anymore. It was also known as the Spanish Flu.

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet's population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.

This certainly sound extremely familiar:

The 1918 flu was first observed in Europe, the United States and parts of Asia before swiftly spreading around the world. At the time, there were no effective drugs or vaccines to treat this killer flu strain. Citizens were ordered to wear masks, schools, theaters and businesses were shuttered and bodies piled up in makeshift morgues before the virus ended its deadly global march.

In fact, more U.S. soldiers died from the 1918 flu than were killed in battle during the war. Forty percent of the U.S. Navy was hit with the flu, while 36 percent of the Army became ill, and troops moving around the world in crowded ships and trains helped to spread the killer virus.


Since 1918, there have been several other influenza pandemics, although none as deadly. A flu pandemic from 1957 to 1958 killed around 2 million people worldwide, including some 70,000 people in the United States, and a pandemic from 1968 to 1969 killed approximately 1 million people, including some 34,000 Americans.

More than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) pandemic that occurred from 2009 to 2010.


Boy. Certainly sounds like the "FLU" is as deadly as Corona Virus when you are resource limited.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-03-2020, 9:32 AM Reply   
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With more of your ignorant snark, you are wrong again.

Closing Schools Saved Lives During the Spanish Flu. Can It Work for Coronavirus?
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2...e-spanish.html
OMG, it's like you are intentionally an ignorant dumba$$ simply for the sake of being able to argue with everyone.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 9:35 AM Reply   
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How about being supportive. Quit trying to drum up panic and trying to seed discontent especially as a foreigner who is trying to impact our elections.
Mark says it best:
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Originally Posted by Markie Mark
Translation: Waaaaaaaaah
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Now that you are talking, so resorted to posting body bags like Trump had something to do with it and then lecture us from across the world on what the presidents role in government response is then try and act like he has something to do with it?
That doesn't make any sense, try again.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 9:42 AM Reply   
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Boy. Certainly sounds like the "FLU" is as deadly as Corona Virus when you are resource limited.
It's hard to know what you are even arguing now, in the beginning it seemed to be oh this is just like the flu, the flu isn't that bad, quit over reacting. Now you seem to be saying oh the flu can be devastating if you are under resourced, just as bad as corona virus. Ah ok, so is corona-virus bad or not? Does it require a coordinated response from Federal government? Is a nationwide lockdown prudent or not?
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       04-03-2020, 9:43 AM Reply   
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I have too much to lose. to use and analogy, why would a millionaire fight with a homeless guy?

Trump is not going to lose.
The republicans have already lost the house and if they lose the Senate, I would consider that a loss for Donald Dump, even if he gets more electoral votes in November. The country, I hope, will turn around in 3 or 4 months, so it should be getting better as the elections gets closer, so Dumps approval rating will probably go up! I will keep a close eye on it for you, Delta.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 9:45 AM Reply   
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The republicans have already lost the house and if they lose the Senate, I would consider that a loss for Donald Dump, even if he gets more electoral votes in November. The country, I hope, will turn around in 3 or 4 months, so it should be getting better as the elections gets closer, so Dumps approval rating will probably go up! I will keep a close eye on it for you, Delta.
It's hard to see Trump loosing to Biden to be honest. Trump will hulksmash him in the debates.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:49 AM Reply   
Another interesting tidbit about the flu:

http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showt...=1#post1996441

How the 1957 Flu Pandemic Was Stopped Early in Its Path
By the time the virus reached the U.S., the country already had a vaccine ready.

On April 17, 1957, Maurice Hilleman realized a pandemic was on its way to the United States. That day, The New York Times reported on a large influenza outbreak in Hong Kong. One detail in particular caught the doctor’s eye: in the long waiting lines for clinics, the paper said “women carried glassy-eyed children tied to their backs.” He quickly got to work, putting out the word that there was a pandemic coming and pushing to develop a vaccine by the time school started again in the fall.

The first case of the pandemic had appeared in the Guizhou Province of southwestern China in February 1957. By the time Hilleman read about it in April, the Times reported that an estimated 250,000 Hong Kong residents—or 10 percent of the region’s population—were receiving treatment for it.


Hilleman couldn’t find any evidence of population immunity to this new strain, so he sent the virus to other health organizations to confirm his findings. These organizations found that the only people who had antibodies to the virus were a small group in their 70s and 80s who had survived the “Russian flu” pandemic in 1889 and 1890.

Making a vaccine for a new flu strain is very different from making a vaccine for something completely new like COVID-19, the novel coronavirus that emerged in 2019. Doctors and scientists first developed viable flu vaccines in the 1940s, so they were not starting from scratch when they went to work on the 1957 flu vaccine. Still, Hilleman bypassed regulatory agencies in his efforts to push the vaccine forward because he worried those agencies would slow the process down.

When the new flu strain hit the United States in September, just as Hilleman had predicted it would, the country was ready with a vaccine. The virus, dubbed the “Asian flu,” killed an estimated 70,000 Americans and one to four million people worldwide, but experts suggest it would have killed many more if not for the vaccine. Around the time Hilleman was born, the “Spanish flu” of 1918 to 1919 killed an estimated 675,000 Americans and 50 million people worldwide.

We had several months notice. Actually had a vaccine ready and it still Killed 70,000 Americans. Only reason for a vaccine is we already had flu vaccines and living people with the antibodies. Still killed 70k with the US population at 172 million. The is the equivalent to 134,000 today.

Yep. That flu certainly is nothing like the corona virus. Not nearly as deadly, never ever shut down America before, and any God Da$m Republican who ever says anything like that is the dumbest SOB on earth especially that A hole Donald Trump. Do I have it about right?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:51 AM Reply   
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OMG, it's like you are intentionally an ignorant dumba$$ simply for the sake of being able to argue with everyone.
You are the one posting ignorant snark when I was trying to be kind. At this point I just enjoy rubbing your face in being wrong.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 9:59 AM Reply   
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It's hard to know what you are even arguing now, in the beginning it seemed to be oh this is just like the flu, the flu isn't that bad, quit over reacting. Now you seem to be saying oh the flu can be devastating if you are under resourced, just as bad as corona virus. Ah ok, so is corona-virus bad or not? Does it require a coordinated response from Federal government? Is a nationwide lockdown prudent or not?
I am arguing because you left isle people are continuing to mock anyone who said that Corona Virus is like the flu. It is like the flu. History proves it is like the flu. Question is, do you freak out over the flu and politically attack people over the flu?

now moving on to the response, yes we are doing the right thing by social distancing. This was proven during the 1918 flu to save lives. In that case as well as know, we were resource limited. With that said, how long do you shut down for? Back then we were more of a agro culture and not a service culture. The implications on society are different but we will see.

More importantly, quit attacking people when they are following the law, trying to make the best decisions for those who are at risk of the virus yet are also trying to look out for those in the community that more than likely will never be at risk from the virus but will feel a very long and hard recovery from the financial impact of the response.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 10:04 AM Reply   
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I am arguing because you left isle people are continuing to mock anyone who said that Corona Virus is like the flu. It is like the flu. History proves it is like the flu. Question is, do you freak out over the flu and politically attack people over the flu?
Oh silly me you are right, Corona-virus is just like the flu was in 1918. History does prove it, I agree. No I don't freak out about the flu because its not 1918. Lol.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-03-2020, 10:49 AM Reply   
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You are the one posting ignorant snark when I was trying to be kind. At this point I just enjoy rubbing your face in being wrong.
Enjoy away because you're the only one that believes that. Any normal person with a modicum of intelligence understands that in the context of this conversation we are talking about the normal flu that we deal with yearly.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 11:32 AM Reply   
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Any normal person with a modicum of intelligence understands that in the context of this conversation we are talking about the normal flu that we deal with yearly.
So your saying Mark has no idea what you are talking about?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 11:53 AM Reply   
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Oh silly me you are right, Corona-virus is just like the flu was in 1918. History does prove it, I agree. No I don't freak out about the flu because its not 1918. Lol.
Actually like 1957 where it killed 70,000 which is like a 130,000 today alone in the US (even with having the vaccine ready). 2010 flu killed more in the US by double of what corona virus did to date in the US. Quit acting like this is more than the flu. Quit acting like it is something the world has not dealt with before and more importantly quit acting like your political party is going to save you or kill you over it.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-03-2020, 11:54 AM Reply   
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Enjoy away because you're the only one that believes that. Any normal person with a modicum of intelligence understands that in the context of this conversation we are talking about the normal flu that we deal with yearly.
You mean like 2010?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 12:34 PM Reply   
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2010 flu killed more in the US by double of what corona virus did to date in the US.
Lol, you know that 09/10 was a global pandemic of swine flu, that is why the numbers were higher dummkopf. And the current death's for Corona virus is 7-4% of the projected death rate, why would you compare the current death rate to a completed death rate for swine flu, that makes no sense.

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Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-03-2020, 12:42 PM Reply   
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Lol, you know that 09/10 was a global pandemic of swine flu, that is why the numbers were higher dummkopf. And the current death's for Corona virus is 7-4% of the projected death rate, why would you compare the current death rate to a completed death rate for swine flu, that makes no sense.
Because he thinks he can manipulate it in order to make a point. Bless his heart.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-03-2020, 2:49 PM Reply   
Man I can't keep up with the posts here. 4 pages??? Am I the only one working like crazy in these crazy times?

So sad. Rod used to be an intelligent guy. Hate seems to have rotted his brain - he can't even do simple math anymore. Mark's just always been that way. A salute to their heroes!

Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-03-2020, 4:15 PM Reply   
Lol, Trump administration rings up Thailand asking them for any spare PPE, only to be told a shipment of PPE is about to turn up from the US National stock pile. Lol, ninkompoop's couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. Only the best people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...equipment.html
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-03-2020, 4:51 PM Reply   
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Man I can't keep up with the posts here. 4 pages??? Am I the only one working like crazy in these crazy times?

So sad. Rod used to be an intelligent guy. Hate seems to have rotted his brain - he can't even do simple math anymore. Mark's just always been that way. A salute to their heroes!

Thanks for mentioning me. Any press is good press right?

As an essential service provider, I've been busy too. For the record, "hate" is what's been spewed here from your camp ever since Orange Man shanked you in 2016. You guys just couldn't take it and had to find "safe spaces", Play-Doh and group hugs while trying to lick your open wounds and threatening to move out of the country-only later to go back on your promises to do so like the drama queens that you are. Since then, your doofus party has made 3 coup attempts and failed miserably. They're about to lose round 4. The rest of your cohorts here have all fallen in line with the CNN/MSNBC narratives as usual so you're really not missing anything unless you're into minutia. I'd love to say we've missed you, but left-wing douchiness somehow has a very high-efficacy spread rate here.

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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-03-2020, 5:16 PM Reply   
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Lol, Trump administration rings up Thailand asking them for any spare PPE, only to be told a shipment of PPE is about to turn up from the US National stock pile. Lol, ninkompoop's couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. Only the best people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...equipment.html
Hmm. You've got this penis-envy kinda thing goin on here between us and you in NZ.

You not only have TDS, you have USA-DS. That's a bad combo for sure.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-03-2020, 5:30 PM Reply   
Ralph right before he posts here.
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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-04-2020, 6:12 AM Reply   
https://thehill.com/policy/national-...2XFgH-wXgLZX2k

When do we "fire" trump because we have no confidence?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-04-2020, 6:20 AM Reply   
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Thanks for mentioning me. Any press is good press right?

As an essential service provider, I've been busy too. For the record, "hate" is what's been spewed here from your camp ever since Orange Man shanked you in 2016. You guys just couldn't take it and had to find "safe spaces", Play-Doh and group hugs while trying to lick your open wounds and threatening to move out of the country-only later to go back on your promises to do so like the drama queens that you are. Since then, your doofus party has made 3 coup attempts and failed miserably. They're about to lose round 4. The rest of your cohorts here have all fallen in line with the CNN/MSNBC narratives as usual so you're really not missing anything unless you're into minutia. I'd love to say we've missed you, but left-wing douchiness somehow has a very high-efficacy spread rate here.
You watched that performance and thats your response?
Explain how cnn/MSNBC pulled that off. Did they break in and re-tape all that and faked it? Impressive recreation. Perhaps it is your "hate" of reality, truth or responsibility. Appears one guy cant "take it" and needs a safe space. Coup attempts, lol. Snowflake.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-04-2020, 4:33 PM Reply   
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/2949675001/

Republicans again with the voter suppression. Pretty unbelievable that they refuse to work with the governor to postpone the election, AND are fighting the court order to extend the absentee ballot deadline by 6 days since thousands of voters haven't even received their ballots yet due to delays. Ridiculous.
Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       04-04-2020, 5:03 PM Reply   
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I would say they were easier on Obama and Bush because neither of those Presidents gave the media as much cause to ask the difficult questions. Trump just can't lead. He is not a leader. The proof is in the pudding! If he was a good leader then obviously there would not be as much backlash.

No Dems liked Bush during 9/11, but he pulled people together. He was Presidential. He led. During that time I remember feeling proud of the job he was doing in the aftermath. I have never felt this about Trump because he has not earned it.
its so funny because my lefty brother was saying how trumps not a leader and can't lead and then last week newsom comes out and says what great leadership and support hes gotten and that it starts at the top and that he couldn't have asked for anything more out of them, and then omar comes out and says the same thing..... turns out hes been as good as it gets. let me know where you read hes a bad leader so i know what story my brother read too. probably a rolling stone article if i was to guess...
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-04-2020, 6:17 PM Reply   
Newsom & Omar are just playing the game, say something nice and trump will give you stuff, say something nasty and trump will let you swing. Trump himself confirmed it a couple of days ago, kiss the kings feet or go and kick rocks. Quite the leader.
Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       04-05-2020, 5:35 AM Reply   
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Newsom & Omar are just playing the game, say something nice and trump will give you stuff, say something nasty and trump will let you swing. Trump himself confirmed it a couple of days ago, kiss the kings feet or go and kick rocks. Quite the leader.
Well say what you want but I think as president they rise to the occasion the best they can. Bush did with 9/11 and made mistakes. Obama tried w the recession, made mistakes.. I think we can look back at and pick them apart real easy or in the moment even. This is a double wammy. Financially and casualty wise like the world has never seen before. I don’t care who’s in office when something as massive as this happens, I’m rooting for them to weed through the information that we aren’t privy to and making sound decisions and quick ones. It’s never the time to see our govt tripping over its own feet.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-05-2020, 6:02 AM Reply   
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You watched that performance and thats your response?
Explain how cnn/MSNBC pulled that off. Did they break in and re-tape all that and faked it? Impressive recreation. Perhaps it is your "hate" of reality, truth or responsibility. Appears one guy cant "take it" and needs a safe space. Coup attempts, lol. Snowflake.
WTH are you talking about? My response wasn’t to the video montage. It was obviously to the other 90% of what Wes said.

As for the video, why don’t we see a montage of all the libtard spring break party’s attendees talking about how they don’t care if they get it etc...? It’s so easy to pick apart any and all reactions from EVERYONE when you have the hindsight advantage. Libtards like you have become professional Monday morning QB snipers since it takes zero originality, talent or intelligence and then want to pat yourselves on the back for your “accuracy.” Here’s a question: Why didn't Trump inherit a war chest of ventilators and other supplies left by your side’s boss, Obama when he took office? Why didn’t Obama continue the pandemic preparedness program that George W started in 2005? See how easy that was? We can all point fingers. Just remember when you point one finger, there are three more pointing back at you. You guys aren’t even picking low hanging fruit now. You’re picking what’s already dropped on the ground. Bunch of friggin losers.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-05-2020, 6:03 AM Reply   
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Well say what you want but I think as president they rise to the occasion the best they can. Bush did with 9/11 and made mistakes. Obama tried w the recession, made mistakes.. I think we can look back at and pick them apart real easy or in the moment even. This is a double wammy. Financially and casualty wise like the world has never seen before. I don’t care who’s in office when something as massive as this happens, I’m rooting for them to weed through the information that we aren’t privy to and making sound decisions and quick ones. It’s never the time to see our govt tripping over its own feet.
Amen. We are in unprecedented times.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-05-2020, 7:57 AM Reply   
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You watched that performance and thats your response?
Explain how cnn/MSNBC pulled that off. Did they break in and re-tape all that and faked it? Impressive recreation. Perhaps it is your "hate" of reality, truth or responsibility. Appears one guy cant "take it" and needs a safe space. Coup attempts, lol. Snowflake.

Speaking of pulling something off, how is your candidate gonna pull off a win when his most famous quote (after the one about Corn Pop) is this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by... go... you know... you know the thing... You know how we talk about it, or we the people"... -Joe Biden

LOL! Good luck in November, libtards!!! Heck, I'll even spot you 10% and Trump will STILL beat Dementia Joe.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-05-2020, 8:19 AM Reply   
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Man I can't keep up with the posts here. 4 pages??? Am I the only one working like crazy in these crazy times?

So sad. Rod used to be an intelligent guy. Hate seems to have rotted his brain - he can't even do simple math anymore. Mark's just always been that way. A salute to their heroes!

I’ll see that and raise you this..... Mic drop. I win again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDrSvNyqEY
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-05-2020, 9:43 AM Reply   
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I’ll see that and raise you this..... Mic drop. I win again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDrSvNyqEY
Hey Junior, Adults are talking about a pandemic and how the guy in charge, with more info than any single person on earth, and how he completely flubbed the response and will be responsible for thousands of American deaths. No one is talking about an election Yam face may never make it to.
Pick your mic up and go back home little boy. If you want, take the FOX vid and go down point by point how trump made the right call time after time. How fox never downplayed the dem hoax 3.0.
Why did they fire that bimbo host?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-05-2020, 1:23 PM Reply   
A better day today for US numbers, new daily cases down to 25k from 33k yesterday. Mostly from New York's data which looks well down, hopefully they are over the hump.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 3:04 AM Reply   
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Hey Junior, Adults are talking about a pandemic and how the guy in charge, with more info than any single person on earth, and how he completely flubbed the response and will be responsible for thousands of American deaths. No one is talking about an election Yam face may never make it to.
Pick your mic up and go back home little boy. If you want, take the FOX vid and go down point by point how trump made the right call time after time. How fox never downplayed the dem hoax 3.0.
Why did they fire that bimbo host?
Then why are you commenting here, Tiger King? I think you might wanna aim your pea shooter at the head of the WHO. Good luck curing your chronic TDS, snowflake. You may consider trying the anti-malaria drug Trump keeps touting. I’d love to know what you’re gonna do with yourself when your leader, Trump gets re-elected. Move to Canada with Rosie? Stay in a safe space and stock up on Play-Doh? Buy a comfort animal? Just keep melting?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 5:06 AM Reply   
January 11: Chinese state media report the first known death from an illness originating in the Wuhan market.
January 15: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) holds a vote to send articles of impeachment to the Senate. Pelosi and House Democrats celebrate the “solemn” occasion with a signing ceremony, using commemorative pens. That same day, the first person with coronavirus in the United States arrives from China, where he had been in Wuhan.
January 21: The first American case of coronavirus is confirmed at a clinic in Snohomish County, Washington.
January 23: The House impeachment managers make their opening arguments for removing President Trump.
January 23: China closes off the city of Wuhan completely to slow the spread of coronavirus to the rest of China.
January 27: The White House convenes a special task force to deal with the emerging threat of coronavirus.
January 29: The president chairs a meeting of the White House coronavirus task force for the first time.
January 30: Senators begin asking two days of questions of both sides in the president’s impeachment trial.
January 30: The World Health Organization declares a global health emergency as coronavirus continues to spread.
January 31: The Senate holds a vote on whether to allow further witnesses and documents in the impeachment trial.
January 31: President Trump declares a national health emergency and imposes a ban on travel to and from China. Former Vice President Joe Biden calls Trump’s decision “hysterical xenophobia … and fear-mongering.”
February 2: The first death from coronavirus outside China is reported in the Philippines.
February 3: House impeachment managers begin closing arguments, calling Trump a threat to national security.
February 4: President Trump talks about coronavirus in his State of the Union address; Pelosi rips up every page.
February 5: The Senate votes to acquit President Trump on both articles of impeachment, 52-48 and 53-47.
February 5: House Democrats finally take up coronavirus in the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 5:09 AM Reply   
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Then why are you commenting here, Tiger King? I think you might wanna aim your pea shooter at the head of the WHO. Good luck curing your chronic TDS, snowflake. You may consider trying the anti-malaria drug Trump keeps touting. I’d love to know what you’re gonna do with yourself when your leader, Trump gets re-elected. Move to Canada with Rosie? Stay in a safe space and stock up on Play-Doh? Buy a comfort animal? Just keep melting?
Continue to hide and deflect. When you cant answer a single question intelligently, resort to childlike attacks. You cant respond because Yam Face is a disaster. Whats next? Going to fire Fauci for correcting him and replace him with Jared Kushners cousins brother? What does Yam spouge taste like?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 5:19 AM Reply   
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Continue to hide and deflect. When you cant answer a single question intelligently, resort to childlike attacks. You cant respond because Yam Face is a disaster. Whats next? Going to fire Fauci for correcting him and replace him with Jared Kushners cousins brother? What does Yam spouge taste like?
Out of Play-Doh already? Poor guy. PM me your address. I'll send you some. It'll last longer if you stop eating it.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 5:24 AM Reply   
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Continue to hide and deflect. When you cant answer a single question intelligently, resort to childlike attacks. You cant respond because Yam Face is a disaster. Whats next? Going to fire Fauci for correcting him and replace him with Jared Kushners cousins brother? What does Yam spouge taste like?
"Child-like attacks" as you call him yam face. Typical libtard hypocrite. TOTAL LOSER.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-06-2020, 5:28 AM Reply   
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 5:51 AM Reply   
^ya and there were 12,500 deaths from the swine flu before that.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-06-2020, 5:54 AM Reply   
Today things are just shy of 10,000 deaths in the US.

Also, nothing you said makes Trump any less of a hypocrite lol.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 5:57 AM Reply   
Trump closes the Chinese border, your candidate accuses him of fear-mongering and calls him a xenophobe. None of you as$hats will acknowledge that little inconvenient truth because you're all dishonest, political hacks.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-06-2020, 5:59 AM Reply   
It's true that we don't acknowledge your distortions as truth.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200...l-restrictions
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:04 AM Reply   
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It's true that we don't acknowledge your distortions as truth.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200...l-restrictions
Biden tweeted: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

Oh yeah... Biden never said anything like that. Typical slimy, slippery dem you are.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       04-06-2020, 6:07 AM Reply   
I never said Biden didn't say anything like that. You are the slippery slimeball, trying to put words into others' mouths. Biden called Trump record xenophobic. It's true (plenty of other people have called it that too, including republicans lol). What's not true is your attempt to tie that criticism to the specific action in question.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:11 AM Reply   
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Today things are just shy of 10,000 deaths in the US.

Also, nothing you said makes Trump any less of a hypocrite lol.
...and nothing gets mentioned in your libtard press any more about the Chinese lying from the beginning because that ruins your narrative of hating Trump. Face it. The American public sees through you guys like they have throughout all of your failed coup attempts. It ain't gonna work. You also need to face the fact that the American public's views don't align with yours at all. You're on the wrong side of virtually all arguments-yet stubbornly refuse to move away from them. Keep it up. It's your funeral.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:14 AM Reply   
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I never said Biden didn't say anything like that. You are the slippery slimeball, trying to put words into others' mouths. Biden called Trump record xenophobic. It's true (plenty of other people have called it that too, including republicans lol). What's not true is your attempt to tie that criticism to the specific action in question.
Keep trying to pick up that rotten fruit off the ground. Have at it! See you in November.

I wonder if Biden and his disappearing act will be out of his basement by then...
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:18 AM Reply   
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I never said Biden didn't say anything like that. You are the slippery slimeball, trying to put words into others' mouths. Biden called Trump record xenophobic. It's true (plenty of other people have called it that too, including republicans lol). What's not true is your attempt to tie that criticism to the specific action in question.
Did you even read the article you linked? The whole article was about whether or not Biden said it. It turns out he did say it. ALL OF IT.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 6:19 AM Reply   
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January 11: Chinese state media report the first known death from an illness originating in the Wuhan market.
January 15: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) holds a vote to send articles of impeachment to the Senate. Pelosi and House Democrats celebrate the “solemn” occasion with a signing ceremony, using commemorative pens. That same day, the first person with coronavirus in the United States arrives from China, where he had been in Wuhan.
January 21: The first American case of coronavirus is confirmed at a clinic in Snohomish County, Washington.
January 23: The House impeachment managers make their opening arguments for removing President Trump.
January 23: China closes off the city of Wuhan completely to slow the spread of coronavirus to the rest of China.
January 27: The White House convenes a special task force to deal with the emerging threat of coronavirus.
January 29: The president chairs a meeting of the White House coronavirus task force for the first time.
January 30: Senators begin asking two days of questions of both sides in the president’s impeachment trial.
January 30: The World Health Organization declares a global health emergency as coronavirus continues to spread.
January 31: The Senate holds a vote on whether to allow further witnesses and documents in the impeachment trial.
January 31: President Trump declares a national health emergency and imposes a ban on travel to and from China. Former Vice President Joe Biden calls Trump’s decision “hysterical xenophobia … and fear-mongering.”
February 2: The first death from coronavirus outside China is reported in the Philippines.
February 3: House impeachment managers begin closing arguments, calling Trump a threat to national security.
February 4: President Trump talks about coronavirus in his State of the Union address; Pelosi rips up every page.
February 5: The Senate votes to acquit President Trump on both articles of impeachment, 52-48 and 53-47.
February 5: House Democrats finally take up coronavirus in the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia.
Didnt do squat from early Feb. Wasted the entire month whining it is a Dem Hoax. Downplayed reality. How well did stopping a couple planes from China stop anything? Look at the FOX library, facts are facts. He should just step down now.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:28 AM Reply   
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He should just step down now.
LOL! Only in your wettest of dreams...
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 6:29 AM Reply   
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Didnt do squat from early Feb. Wasted the entire month whining it is a Dem Hoax. Downplayed reality. How well did stopping a couple planes from China stop anything? Look at the FOX library, facts are facts. He should just step down now.
Hmmm. I wonder what the dims were doing in Feb.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 6:32 AM Reply   
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Biden did not explicitly tie xenophobia to the travel restriction. His tweet reflects coronavirus remarks he made during a campaign stop in Iowa Jan. 31, the day the travel restrictions were announced.
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During a March 12 press conference Biden said, the United States should not be overly dismissive of the outbreak, “but neither should we panic or fall back on xenophobia, labeling COVID-19 a foreign virus does not displace accountability for the misjudgments that have been taken thus far by the Trump administration.”
Earlier that day, the Trump campaign tweeted that Democrats and news outlets were “accusing President Trump of racism and xenophobia” for his use of the phrase “Chinese virus.”

On March 18, Trump tweeted: “I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China - against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved. The Fake News new narrative is disgraceful & false!”
Did you even read the article? You just missed the important parts. Just like when we told you, you were racist for using the same term. Zero tie to the minimal air travel ban trump said saved the States from Covid-19. Fact is EVERYONE was telling him to shut down flights from China, he didnt come up with the idea on his own. And it was way too little to slow the virus. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 6:38 AM Reply   
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Hmmm. I wonder what the dims were doing in Feb.
Since they are the minority party....what do you want them to do? They tried impeaching him, but the system broke down as the GOP had too much power. They covered it up. We are stuck with the mental midget until he quits.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 7:00 AM Reply   
"The inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services issued a report on Monday that paints a dismal picture of the response to the coronavirus. The findings are from the period of March 23 to March 27, when hospital admissions and deaths were much lower than they are today.

In short, the health-care system is fraying: “Hospitals reported that their most significant challenges centered on testing and caring for patients with known or suspected COVID-19 and keeping staff safe,” the report states. “Hospitals also reported substantial challenges maintaining or expanding their facilities’ capacity to treat patients with COVID-19.” In addition: “Hospitals described specific challenges, mitigation strategies, and needs for assistance related to personal protective equipment (PPE), testing, staffing, supplies and durable equipment; maintaining or expanding facility capacity; and financial concerns.”

“Substantial challenges” is government-ese for “mess.” In particular, the report documents “severe shortages of testing supplies and extended waits for test results limited hospitals’ ability to monitor the health of patients and staff.” There are also “widespread shortages” of protective equipment such masks and gowns, inadequate staff, shortages in hospital capacity and shortages of hospital equipment. That includes not just ventilators but also basic supplies such as “intravenous therapy (IV) poles, medical gas, linens, toilet paper, and food. Others reported shortages of no-touch infrared thermometers, disinfectants, and cleaning supplies.” This is shameful.

As one might expect when the federal government is led by a president spouting disinformation, hospitals are afflicted with conflicting and confusing directives from “different government and medical authorities, including criteria for testing, determining which elective procedures to delay, use of PPE, and getting supplies from the national stockpile.”

The report serves as an indictment of President Trump’s attitude that states should fend for themselves. Unsurprisingly, the report confirms hospitals are competing against each other for scare material and equipment. Hospitals are forced to reuse PPEs or use nonstandard protective equipment, putting their staff at risk. Hospitals are telling us that “government intervention and coordination could help reconcile this problem at the national level to provide equitable distribution of supplies throughout the country.” The notion that the federal government is only a backup fails to recognize that the states are overrun and need that aid now.

At times, the report seems to bend over backward to use noninflammatory language and to acknowledge that the federal government is working on these problems. But there is no hiding the strains on the hospital system that were evident weeks ago and the utter failure of the federal government to shoulder its responsibilities.

This abdication of duty is born of confusion, incompetence and ignorance. How many weeks has the president insisted there is no testing shortage? How many times has Trump declared that hospitals do not need all these ventilators? He has either been ignorant of the facts (very possible in an administration in which Trump does not want to hear bad news that contradicts his world of make-believe), or he is lying because he does not want to be blamed for the fiasco. It bears repeating that as cases and deaths have soared, the situation is likely even more dire than captured in the report — a result of the ongoing dearth of presidential leadership."
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 7:12 AM Reply   
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Did you even read the article? You just missed the important parts. Just like when we told you, you were racist for using the same term. Zero tie to the minimal air travel ban trump said saved the States from Covid-19. Fact is EVERYONE was telling him to shut down flights from China, he didnt come up with the idea on his own. And it was way too little to slow the virus. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
Yep. I read it, unlike Wes. I even highlighted the most important part and reposted it for Wes. You can keep calling me racist all day long. I’m not gonna gonna run and hide because of your pu$$y PC culture. You fools have knocked out the teeth of that term from overuse. In fact, I don’t even believe Kung Flu is racist in the slightest. It’s friggin hilarious. Even my libtard friends laugh at it.

If “everyone” was telling him to close the border, why were so any calling him racist etc etc for doing it? Wanna look at what your lefty pals were saying then?

It’s all about hating Trump for you guys. We get it. You don’t want him in power. Roger that. Only problem is he’s duly elected. If you want him out, you gotta convince the American public that your guy is better when he isn’t. That is if you can wake him from his afternoon nap, get him out of the basement and get him to complete a sentence. Fat chance!

Oh yeah. One other thing: Your ideas SUCK and you’ll never win over the country when they know you’re not for America in the first place.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 7:18 AM Reply   
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"The inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services issued a report on Monday that paints a dismal picture of the response to the coronavirus. The findings are from the period of March 23 to March 27, when hospital admissions and deaths were much lower than they are today.

In short, the health-care system is fraying: “Hospitals reported that their most significant challenges centered on testing and caring for patients with known or suspected COVID-19 and keeping staff safe,” the report states. “Hospitals also reported substantial challenges maintaining or expanding their facilities’ capacity to treat patients with COVID-19.” In addition: “Hospitals described specific challenges, mitigation strategies, and needs for assistance related to personal protective equipment (PPE), testing, staffing, supplies and durable equipment; maintaining or expanding facility capacity; and financial concerns.”

“Substantial challenges” is government-ese for “mess.” In particular, the report documents “severe shortages of testing supplies and extended waits for test results limited hospitals’ ability to monitor the health of patients and staff.” There are also “widespread shortages” of protective equipment such masks and gowns, inadequate staff, shortages in hospital capacity and shortages of hospital equipment. That includes not just ventilators but also basic supplies such as “intravenous therapy (IV) poles, medical gas, linens, toilet paper, and food. Others reported shortages of no-touch infrared thermometers, disinfectants, and cleaning supplies.” This is shameful.

As one might expect when the federal government is led by a president spouting disinformation, hospitals are afflicted with conflicting and confusing directives from “different government and medical authorities, including criteria for testing, determining which elective procedures to delay, use of PPE, and getting supplies from the national stockpile.”

The report serves as an indictment of President Trump’s attitude that states should fend for themselves. Unsurprisingly, the report confirms hospitals are competing against each other for scare material and equipment. Hospitals are forced to reuse PPEs or use nonstandard protective equipment, putting their staff at risk. Hospitals are telling us that “government intervention and coordination could help reconcile this problem at the national level to provide equitable distribution of supplies throughout the country.” The notion that the federal government is only a backup fails to recognize that the states are overrun and need that aid now.

At times, the report seems to bend over backward to use noninflammatory language and to acknowledge that the federal government is working on these problems. But there is no hiding the strains on the hospital system that were evident weeks ago and the utter failure of the federal government to shoulder its responsibilities.

This abdication of duty is born of confusion, incompetence and ignorance. How many weeks has the president insisted there is no testing shortage? How many times has Trump declared that hospitals do not need all these ventilators? He has either been ignorant of the facts (very possible in an administration in which Trump does not want to hear bad news that contradicts his world of make-believe), or he is lying because he does not want to be blamed for the fiasco. It bears repeating that as cases and deaths have soared, the situation is likely even more dire than captured in the report — a result of the ongoing dearth of presidential leadership."
Nice, unbiased editorial there, dumkopff. Further proof that you come from the party of drama. Don’t forget to collect some new pieces of sky that fell with that article for your collection.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 7:23 AM Reply   
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"The inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services issued a report on Monday that paints a dismal picture of the response to the coronavirus. The findings are from the period of March 23 to March 27, when hospital admissions and deaths were much lower than they are today.

In short, the health-care system is fraying: “Hospitals reported that their most significant challenges centered on testing and caring for patients with known or suspected COVID-19 and keeping staff safe,” the report states. “Hospitals also reported substantial challenges maintaining or expanding their facilities’ capacity to treat patients with COVID-19.” In addition: “Hospitals described specific challenges, mitigation strategies, and needs for assistance related to personal protective equipment (PPE), testing, staffing, supplies and durable equipment; maintaining or expanding facility capacity; and financial concerns.”

“Substantial challenges” is government-ese for “mess.” In particular, the report documents “severe shortages of testing supplies and extended waits for test results limited hospitals’ ability to monitor the health of patients and staff.” There are also “widespread shortages” of protective equipment such masks and gowns, inadequate staff, shortages in hospital capacity and shortages of hospital equipment. That includes not just ventilators but also basic supplies such as “intravenous therapy (IV) poles, medical gas, linens, toilet paper, and food. Others reported shortages of no-touch infrared thermometers, disinfectants, and cleaning supplies.” This is shameful.

As one might expect when the federal government is led by a president spouting disinformation, hospitals are afflicted with conflicting and confusing directives from “different government and medical authorities, including criteria for testing, determining which elective procedures to delay, use of PPE, and getting supplies from the national stockpile.”

The report serves as an indictment of President Trump’s attitude that states should fend for themselves. Unsurprisingly, the report confirms hospitals are competing against each other for scare material and equipment. Hospitals are forced to reuse PPEs or use nonstandard protective equipment, putting their staff at risk. Hospitals are telling us that “government intervention and coordination could help reconcile this problem at the national level to provide equitable distribution of supplies throughout the country.” The notion that the federal government is only a backup fails to recognize that the states are overrun and need that aid now.

At times, the report seems to bend over backward to use noninflammatory language and to acknowledge that the federal government is working on these problems. But there is no hiding the strains on the hospital system that were evident weeks ago and the utter failure of the federal government to shoulder its responsibilities.

This abdication of duty is born of confusion, incompetence and ignorance. How many weeks has the president insisted there is no testing shortage? How many times has Trump declared that hospitals do not need all these ventilators? He has either been ignorant of the facts (very possible in an administration in which Trump does not want to hear bad news that contradicts his world of make-believe), or he is lying because he does not want to be blamed for the fiasco. It bears repeating that as cases and deaths have soared, the situation is likely even more dire than captured in the report — a result of the ongoing dearth of presidential leadership."
...and you dimwits want the government to take over healthcare... I rest my case.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-06-2020, 7:26 AM Reply   
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^ya and there were 12,500 deaths from the swine flu before that.
The point isn't that he should resign, the point is only an idiot would use that metric as a criteria for resignation.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 7:29 AM Reply   
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The point isn't that he should resign, the point is only an idiot would use that metric as a criteria for resignation.
...or someone trying to score political points.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2020, 7:34 AM Reply   
So what if Congress let the impeachment rest and put together some Kung Flu plans back in February?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-06-2020, 7:48 AM Reply   
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...or someone trying to score political points.
That would only make sense if his base were also idiots
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-06-2020, 8:20 AM Reply   
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So what if Congress let the impeachment rest and put together some Kung Flu plans back in February?
I'd say not much because when the dems said in late feb early March that the US wasn't doing enough trump said they were over reacting and it was their "new hoax".
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2020, 8:22 AM Reply   
Curt Landry Says Christians Must Listen to Trump, Not Experts, About the Coronavirus
Kyle MantylaBy Kyle Mantyla | April 6, 2020 11:57 am
During a YouTube livestream last Friday, right-wing pastor Curt Landry told his viewers that they should listen to President Donald Trump and not medical experts when it comes to the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak because Trump was chosen by God and therefore has greater spiritual authority.

“We are in a small window of time where we need to be decreeing, praying, believing, and speaking it out of our mouths—critical at this time—speaking out of our mouths and agreeing with what Donald Trump is saying and not some of his advisers,” Landry said.

Landry, who last week declared that any eventual coronavirus vaccine would be “from the pit of Hell” and should not be taken, said that while he respects ​the nation’s top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci, Trump outranks him spiritually and so Christians should be listening to the president rather than doctors and other health experts.

“I’m talking to you spiritually,” Landry said. “I am not a scientist, I am not a doctor, and I do respect [Fauci’s] knowledge, I respect where he comes from, and I respect him in his position that God has put him in. But in the order of spiritual alignment, Donald J. Trump is the Cyrus above him … As believers, we need to agree—I believe that God puts kings and leaders in their place, I believe God has put Donald Trump in his place as a Cyrus—and we need to agree with what he’s saying.”
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