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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-13-2019, 7:16 PM Reply   
Ok so still no Answer or Retort to Pure Fact’s
Yesterday’s Headline gets changed & 24hrs later 95SN post a link to “USA Today’s” story pointing fingers at KJ from 2006 WHY?
This is classsic TDS.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-13-2019, 9:54 PM Reply   
Three take ways for me:
1. The education system is broken and corrupt
2. Rich people don't have to follow the rules normal people do
3. Republicans and dems love to punch each other in the face

None of that is slightly suprising.

And for TDS extra credit, this is why trump used Cohen to prevent his school grades from being released, he is a dunce but still got into ivy league school through cronyism. Again, not a news flash for anybody.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-14-2019, 2:53 AM Reply   
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Ok so still no Answer or Retort to Pure Fact’s
Yesterday’s Headline gets changed & 24hrs later 95SN post a link to “USA Today’s” story pointing fingers at KJ from 2006 WHY?
This is classsic TDS.
I gave you a "Pure Fact". You tried to make it all about "Liberal elites". WHY? TDS? What is that? The whining and crying you Trumpsters do when someone criticizes Trump?
This is classic You Have Your Head Stuffed Up Your Ass Syndrome.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-14-2019, 11:36 PM Reply   
Hey what happened to this thread? What's with all the old stuff getting pulled out of the coffin in the non-wake section? Did someone steal wombat's computer?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 12:35 AM Reply   
More likely someone stole his meds
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 12:38 AM Reply   
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It's quite possible to run socialized healthcare AND private side by side, it's what we do here. So you have a quite reasonable level of care provided to everyone regardless of their ability to pay and you have the option to take insurance and have access to the best of the best healthcare if that's what you want and can afford. It's what we do in NZ, I take health insurance because I can afford it, my wife and my friends wife both got breast cancer within a year of each other, we were private, they were public both recieve excellent care. Nobody was bankrupted in the process.

And before you say we can't afford it as a country, NZ spends half the amount of money per GDP on Healthcare than the states and we have a fully functional system for everyone, with choice. The US is an economic power house, supposedly the greatest economy in the world, how can you not afford it? Face it, you guys are being ripped off and your politicians have enabled it for years.
So nobody is going to challenge this promotion of "socialism"? Do even the righties here want medicare for all?
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 2:38 AM Reply   
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So nobody is going to challenge this promotion of "socialism"? Do even the righties here want medicare for all?
Lets talk about Zelands racist, bigot & gun problems. Shooting up Mosques? That hasn't happened here yet.....
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 4:10 AM Reply   
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Lets talk about Zelands racist, bigot & gun problems. Shooting up Mosques? That hasn't happened here yet.....
Sure, let's talk about it, what do you want to say?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-15-2019, 4:55 AM Reply   
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Hey what happened to this thread? What's with all the old stuff getting pulled out of the coffin in the non-wake section? Did someone steal wombat's computer?
I can't believe it has taken all of this time for you to finally discover that wombat is moron. You just give him a pass because he is a fellow Trumpster.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-15-2019, 4:56 AM Reply   
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Lets talk about Zelands racist, bigot & gun problems. Shooting up Mosques? That hasn't happened here yet.....
Yeah, here in America, we just like to shoot up schools, nightclubs, music festivals, etc.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 5:57 AM Reply   
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Yeah, here in America, we just like to shoot up schools, nightclubs, music festivals, etc.
Please, get off your sanctimonious "woke" pedestal. The problem is you people blame an object that is useless by itself while these shootings continue to show gun laws simply don't work. London shows without guns they'll use knives. You're just fine with 20 dead and will argue it's better than 40 dead cause a gun wasn't involved. You care nothing about Chicago & probably even call it one less n****r when no one can hear you. The hypocrisy of you lefties know no bounds.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-15-2019, 6:07 AM Reply   
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Please, get off your sanctimonious "woke" pedestal. The problem is you people blame an object that is useless by itself while these shootings continue to show gun laws simply don't work. London shows without guns they'll use knives. You're just fine with 20 dead and will argue it's better than 40 dead cause a gun wasn't involved. You care nothing about Chicago & probably even call it one less n****r when no one can hear you. The hypocrisy of you lefties know no bounds.
What about Chicago? I love it when you morons bring up in Chicago. As no one in Chicago has a car or the willingness to drive 30 minutes or so in multiple directions to where gun laws are more lax. You have zero evidence to show that "gun laws simply don't work". It's akin to someone citing the recent Ethiopian Airlines crash as proof that tighter regulations on airline safety don't work.

As far as your use of the n-word is concerned. I don't think anyone can argue that it is exponentially more likely that a Trumpster would use that word. Hell, Grant calls African Americans "cockroaches" on a regular basis.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 6:56 AM Reply   
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What about Chicago? I love it when you morons bring up in Chicago. As no one in Chicago has a car or the willingness to drive 30 minutes or so in multiple directions to where gun laws are more lax. You have zero evidence to show that "gun laws simply don't work". It's akin to someone citing the recent Ethiopian Airlines crash as proof that tighter regulations on airline safety don't work.

As far as your use of the n-word is concerned. I don't think anyone can argue that it is exponentially more likely that a Trumpster would use that word. Hell, Grant calls African Americans "cockroaches" on a regular basis.
The irony is you morons have no evidence that gun laws work either, yet you sit on your pedestal & force your myopic views on everyone else. Your argument on Ethiopia is rather comical, like with guns you're spouting off before any facts are in.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-15-2019, 7:19 AM Reply   
Hey wake Nice try.
I call human garbage “Roaches”. Human garbage comes in all colors. But how very Liberial of you to single out African Americans I wonder why you singled them out? You hypocrites are the biggest racists and double standard f tards, I love how your kind is getting exposed for what they truly are.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 7:36 AM Reply   
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Hey wake Nice try.
I call human garbage “Roaches”. Human garbage comes in all colors. But how very Liberial of you to single out African Americans I wonder why you singled them out? You hypocrites are the biggest racists and double standard f tards, I love how your kind is getting exposed for what they truly are.
That's why they need to import a new voter base, everyone has woken up to their retarded **** & they'd never win an election again without them.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-15-2019, 7:51 AM Reply   
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That's why they need to import a new voter base, everyone has woken up to their retarded **** & they'd never win an election again without them.
Agreed.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-15-2019, 8:59 AM Reply   
On a serious Note: Democrats have to be either 1 of 2 things these days. #1 Extreamly secretly embarrassed & ashamed, or #2 Compleatly clueless. Racebaters and “Organizers” are being exposed for what they truly are, Closet Racist!
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 9:14 AM Reply   
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. It's akin to someone citing the recent Ethiopian Airlines crash as proof that tighter regulations on airline safety don't work.

s.
That statement is proving to both comical & in support of responsible gun owners now that it's coming out the pilots of both crashes had less than 200 hours of flight time. A tiny slice of what American pilots are required to have before being allowed to fly commercial airlines with passengers.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 9:30 AM Reply   
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That's a lovely fairy tale but not even close to being true, in recent history it's the democrats who have shown more fiscal responsibility than the Repubicans.

Look, it's easy to rebut the stupidest version of the argument but what responsible liberals want is a better level of healthcare and education available to all citizens and reduction in wealth inequality, corporate cronyism and military spending. Sadly the DNC is infested with corporate democrats totally corrupted with there snouts in the trough.
Irony calling. Taxing the middle class out of existence is not fiscal responsibility. Does not take much doing to say we are going to raise taxes. That is like me saying to my boss that my credit cards are pegged so you need to give me a raise. See, I am not fiscally responsible as I now have my budget under control. If you believe the democrat party has its house in order then why is California is dead last in quality of life in the country?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ort/384853002/

California ranks last in quality of life in new report

The boogie man "rich people", simply do the citizen of the world routine and move the money off shore or they are only rich in stocks. Plenty of education and jobs programs in the military. Corporate cronyism has been replaced by environmental cronyism. No matter what, you still need large corporations in order to fund healthcare and to buy the big ticket items and prop up most communities around the world. Military at least makes a product and you have to learn a skill inorder to function in the military.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 9:35 AM Reply   
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It's quite possible to run socialized healthcare AND private side by side, it's what we do here. So you have a quite reasonable level of care provided to everyone regardless of their ability to pay and you have the option to take insurance and have access to the best of the best healthcare if that's what you want and can afford. It's what we do in NZ, I take health insurance because I can afford it, my wife and my friends wife both got breast cancer within a year of each other, we were private, they were public both recieve excellent care. Nobody was bankrupted in the process.

And before you say we can't afford it as a country, NZ spends half the amount of money per GDP on Healthcare than the states and we have a fully functional system for everyone, with choice. The US is an economic power house, supposedly the greatest economy in the world, how can you not afford it? Face it, you guys are being ripped off and your politicians have enabled it for years.
We have that here too. I don't know what you been reading. What we have here is the people who don't have good jobs, want what people who sacrifice to get good jobs want. We have county hospitals. My wife had 2 surgeries when she was younger at the county hospitals. There is also Medical in California. Again fake news. What we have here is the people on socialized medicine is not happy with the socialized healthcare.

What you are saying, is in NZ, the rich can buy their way out of the socialized medicine. Now why would they want to do that? Isn't socialized medicine the bomb? The rich can buy their way out of socialized medicine in Germany too.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 9:42 AM Reply   
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Yeah not seeing it as so much of a left right thing as a rich vs poor thing. There was a great tweet about this yesterday that kinda nailed it. Said something like the top 10% cheat by buying their kids test prep courses, the top 1% cheat by bribing their way in, and the top .01% cheat by making big endowment contributions (the Keushner example).

Hit home for me because I certainly fall in that 10% category. We spent $$$ for our kids to make sure they were the most prepared for college, whether via choosing the more expensive part of town with the best schools, or paying for test prep, or encouraging extracurriculars instead of working after school like I did in HS.

I don’t find this stuff terribly shocking to be honest... seems like something that the less ethical aspiring wealthy would do. I imagine Manafort or his sidekick Rick Gates would’ve been totally down for this for instance.

Wealth has its privileges (see Manafort sentencing).
Being poor does not keep you from succeeding and being rich does not automatically mean you will achieve. Granted not overcoming issues makes things easier sometimes, however not fighting the fight many times will make you unprepared.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-15-2019, 9:42 AM Reply   
^ I agree. Example San Jose spends 500+ Million a year on Homeless, what do we get in Return for that $500 milllion Answer: Zero return on investment & MORE homeless. Spend the same $500 mill on the Military and US TAX paying company’s are employed, They hire tax paying employees, that buy homes,cars, dine out. The list go’s on. Look at any democrat run city it’s a Homeless Utopia
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 9:48 AM Reply   
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Grant I think we are all on the same side here. Nobody likes it when daddy buys his kids’ way into elite U.

The more nuanced point I was trying to introduce is that the game is rigged in favor of the wealthy, who even when playing “fairly” can make their kid more prepared than most people.

Is that fair? Dunno. Rich folks definitely hog the lions share of elite college admissions, which suggests that even when kids get in the “fair” way, there’s a heavy bias in favor of wealth.
I do not feel this story moving my meter at all. I assumed it was "the way" already. We have special programs set up by sex and color. I find all of the above options deplorable as it does not give equal access to those who are trying vs having a certain trait. It is not equal rights. At the same time, these are private colleges so their entry should not be governed the same as public universities. On the flip side, government funded student loans should not be involved in private university funding.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 9:57 AM Reply   
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What about Chicago? I love it when you morons bring up in Chicago. As no one in Chicago has a car or the willingness to drive 30 minutes or so in multiple directions to where gun laws are more lax. You have zero evidence to show that "gun laws simply don't work". It's akin to someone citing the recent Ethiopian Airlines crash as proof that tighter regulations on airline safety don't work.

As far as your use of the n-word is concerned. I don't think anyone can argue that it is exponentially more likely that a Trumpster would use that word. Hell, Grant calls African Americans "cockroaches" on a regular basis.
People in Chicago can not simply go outside the city where the rules are more laxed. The rules outside the city still require a background check and these guys are not getting weapons from Dick's Sporting Goods. At the end of the day, it is a social problem not a gun problem. Remove the largest democrat cities from the stats and we are better than almost all European countries in gun violence. What is it about democrat policies that make people turn on each other? Is it the constant lack of standards? Always telling a group that they are not good enough to take care of themselves?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-15-2019, 10:32 AM Reply   
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I do not feel this story moving my meter at all. I assumed it was "the way" already. We have special programs set up by sex and color. I find all of the above options deplorable as it does not give equal access to those who are trying vs having a certain trait. It is not equal rights. At the same time, these are private colleges so their entry should not be governed the same as public universities. On the flip side, government funded student loans should not be involved in private university funding.

In this case tho the private universities themselves were being defrauded. That’s why it’s criminal. It’s one thing for a super wealthy guy to buy a college a library so his not-really-smart-enough kid gets admitted, it’s another to pay off a coach to admit a fake athlete. In the first case the college is in on it, in the second case it’s not.

Both are rather repugnant examples of the wealthy hogging resources for themselves.

Oh and there were at least two flagship public Us involved — UCLA and UT.

Last edited by shawndoggy; 03-15-2019 at 10:35 AM.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-15-2019, 10:41 AM Reply   
Mass shootings like this are horrific but rare and I don’t think they are really going to stop terrorists from terrorizing.

If you want a stat to get up in arms about it should be that more people in the US die via gun suicide than from opiate ODs (and nearly 2x drunk diving fatalities). One is apparently a public health crisis, the other is just “meh, that’s the price of the second amendment.” And it’s such an issue that congress has prohibited CDC from studying gun violence as a public health issue.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 11:16 AM Reply   
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In this case tho the private universities themselves were being defrauded. That’s why it’s criminal. It’s one thing for a super wealthy guy to buy a college a library so his not-really-smart-enough kid gets admitted, it’s another to pay off a coach to admit a fake athlete. In the first case the college is in on it, in the second case it’s not.

Both are rather repugnant examples of the wealthy hogging resources for themselves.

Oh and there were at least two flagship public Us involved — UCLA and UT.
True. It did hit public universities. I guess at the end of the day. I can always look up the ladder (even to you) and complain that rich people get their kids ahead. So there will always be the next person down looking at the next person up complaining.

What they did was cheating, however I wonder what statute for criminal? Never knew there were laws if you cheated your SAT scores. I know it will get you blackballed out of the university scene but San Quinton?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-15-2019, 11:21 AM Reply   
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True. It did hit public universities. I guess at the end of the day. I can always look up the ladder (even to you) and complain that rich people get their kids ahead. So there will always be the next person down looking at the next person up complaining.



What they did was cheating, however I wonder what statute for criminal? Never knew there were laws if you cheated your SAT scores. I know it will get you blackballed out of the university scene but San Quinton?

Most of the parents have been charged with mail fraud I think.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-15-2019, 11:26 AM Reply   
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Irony calling. Taxing the middle class out of existence is not fiscal responsibility. Does not take much doing to say we are going to raise taxes. That is like me saying to my boss that my credit cards are pegged so you need to give me a raise. See, I am not fiscally responsible as I now have my budget under control. If you believe the democrat party has its house in order then why is California is dead last in quality of life in the country?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ort/384853002/

California ranks last in quality of life in new report

The boogie man "rich people", simply do the citizen of the world routine and move the money off shore or they are only rich in stocks. Plenty of education and jobs programs in the military. Corporate cronyism has been replaced by environmental cronyism. No matter what, you still need large corporations in order to fund healthcare and to buy the big ticket items and prop up most communities around the world. Military at least makes a product and you have to learn a skill inorder to function in the military.
Im not sure why I dont want to move to the number one Quality of life state. Its $80* here today and 30* in ND.
https://www.localconditions.com/us/w.../north-dakota/
Too many people still moving to California. Poor and middle class leaving and the rich are moving in. Like gentrification of the state.
Its sad too many of the skills learned in the service dont translate to work when they come home.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 11:40 AM Reply   
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Im not sure why I dont want to move to the number one Quality of life state. Its $80* here today and 30* in ND.
https://www.localconditions.com/us/w.../north-dakota/
Too many people still moving to California. Poor and middle class leaving and the rich are moving in. Like gentrification of the state.
Its sad too many of the skills learned in the service dont translate to work when they come home.
You got into the state and got your home when you could. Others do not have that luxury. The middle class is being wage compressed and having to compete for housing with the lower class (due to many families in the same unit) and foreign and domestic investors.

As far as the military skill set, I disagree completely. Not everyone in the military are carrying just a rifle. They are infastructure builders and maintainers. Very complex equipment. Many engineering level people from the Navy and Air Force. Marines have high standards fro retention in the skilled positions. Army is a little more diverse with many infactructure positions. At a minimum, the simple infantry people still understand showing up on time and doing a hard days work. What we have a love affair for in california is cheap labor. The state loves their illegals and even the legals for an artificial workforce that allows businesses to stay in the state. Get these people off the boat and stack them multi families deep into the housing. Heck a middle class working can not even afford to rent a house. You need at least 2 if not 3 wage earners to even rent a house.

Simply put, just go check out the underpasses in Oakland and San Fran and tell me that the policies of this state have not created a mass poor population. If they did not have a continuous influx of illegals and legal immigrants, the business owners would have to find a way to integrate the potential workers into there plans for move out of state and compete on a fair playing field with the rest of the country.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 11:40 AM Reply   
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We have that here too. I don't know what you been reading. What we have here is the people who don't have good jobs, want what people who sacrifice to get good jobs want. We have county hospitals. My wife had 2 surgeries when she was younger at the county hospitals. There is also Medical in California. Again fake news. What we have here is the people on socialized medicine is not happy with the socialized healthcare.

What you are saying, is in NZ, the rich can buy their way out of the socialized medicine. Now why would they want to do that? Isn't socialized medicine the bomb? The rich can buy their way out of socialized medicine in Germany too.
What I have been reading is people getting bankrupted by medical treatment, how does that happen if medical care is free? Why do so many take insurance if it's provided already by the state?

Do you have medical insurance? If so: How much does it cost? Why do you have it?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-15-2019, 12:14 PM Reply   
Appears Trump and virtually all of congress disagree (on a few things). 420-0
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...mueller-report
https://news.yahoo.com/symbolic-vote...-politics.html
Then there is that non emergency at the border that they disagreed on too.
Expect lots of "thoughts and prayers" for NZ from those the NRA is paying and the US to continue to sit on their hands.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 12:22 PM Reply   
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Appears Trump and virtually all of congress disagree (on a few things). 420-0
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...mueller-report
https://news.yahoo.com/symbolic-vote...-politics.html
Then there is that non emergency at the border that they disagreed on too.
Expect lots of "thoughts and prayers" for NZ from those the NRA is paying and the US to continue to sit on their hands.
Let me guess the premise. Another excuse for the democrats to use some issues (not even our issue) to try and subvert our bill of rights?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 12:34 PM Reply   
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Expect lots of "thoughts and prayers" for NZ from those the NRA is paying and the US to continue to sit on their hands.
Using the CHCH shooting to exert any pressure on the NRA is completely bogus, the gun laws here are as tight as is reasonable, Certainly way tighter than would ever be possible with the 2nd amendment. Easy accessibility to guns was not a factor in this tragedy. White supremacy racism on the other hand.....
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-15-2019, 12:44 PM Reply   
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What I have been reading is people getting bankrupted by medical treatment, how does that happen if medical care is free? Why do so many take insurance if it's provided already by the state?

Do you have medical insurance? If so: How much does it cost? Why do you have it?
Because people don't want to go down to the county and wait. It is not a simple little drive to the other side of town on lunch type of deal. In cali, those hospitals are usually in the bad town on the not so good side. They usually will try and provide services on a sliding scale for those who can not pay do not pay. You don't get next week service and you don't have an army of paid experts waiting to toil over your complicated or not so complicated case. Blow out your knee? Tough cookies. Next slot is such and such week. From what I understand many in So Cal shut down due to the illegals overwhelm the system because they can not refuse services. Any hospital really.

Bankruptcy is a tool. It is not the end of your life. It just means you don't get cheap credit.. Welcome to being a poor person. You have trouble paying, you will not get A credit. Wish it was different.

Do I have insurance. Yes. Never had insurance growing up in the midwest. When I moved 2400 miles to get a job with benefits that had insurance and I stayed in that job. I was more worried about a good job, then retirement, then insurance. I was never going to be one of these ballers who took high paying jobs without benefits then going around saying how everyone else needs to get rid of their benefits for their poor choices.

I think we pay less than $200 a month for a family through my wife insurance. My work is around the same for Kaiser and can go way up over $1200 if you want unlimited flexibility. I believe the companies pay $18,000 a year per employee over all for the insurance. Don't quote me, but I believe I have seen a number like that. California is almost a double to triple premium state compared to America. They always have due to the stringent liability issues when dealing with this state.

Why do I have insurance. I want the best of care and quickly. Our system is not well prepped to be out of work for months waiting to take care of such and such surgery especially if you blow out your knee wake boarding.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-15-2019, 12:48 PM Reply   
420 to zero is a pretty good indication that EVERYONE disagrees with trump saying no report should be released. That was the only agenda.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-15-2019, 1:09 PM Reply   
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420 to zero is a pretty good indication that EVERYONE disagrees with trump saying no report should be released. That was the only agenda.
Good indication it's still a violation of law to force its release especially when collusion or obstruction wasn't found. Lefties want it released hoping & praying there's something that's finally gonna be the gotcha. Righties want it released hoping some of you finally ST FU. There is plenty of precedent why the reports have never had to be opened to the public & it's the same reason why you lefties demand all the other reports be blacked out to protect information or means of gathering the info. My personal hope is it is fully released & I hope the orange closet liberal in charge releases full Declass of the FISA abuses. Maybe then everyone can ST FU & realize it's always been business as usual in the swamp & he's part of it.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-15-2019, 2:33 PM Reply   
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Good indication it's still a violation of law to force its release especially when collusion or obstruction wasn't found
I didnt know that anyone knew what is in the report. On what grounds would it be illegal to release?

FISA abuses? Are you concerned for papadopoulous or paige?

I agree, hope it released. Its just ONE of the investigations that I would like to know the results.

Has anyone caught Manaforts atty after each sentencing? He cant wait to get out to the courthouse steps and say..."There was no collusion found". Manafort guilty of loan fraud, tax evasion, financial crimes...there were zero charges of "collusion" it would be impossible to be found guilty if not charged with that crime. Judge Ellis said,
"He is not before the court for any allegation that he or anybody at his direction colluded with the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election."

Judge Jackson said In her remarks from the bench, Jackson made a point of pushing back against the "no collusion" argument she read in the defense’s sentencing memorandum.
"The ‘no collusion’ refrain that runs through the entire defense memorandum is unrelated to the matter at hand," she said, adding, "The ‘no collusion’ mantra is simply a non sequitur."
She also said, "The ‘no collusion’ mantra is also not accurate, because the investigation is still ongoing."


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...umps-claim-no/
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-15-2019, 7:23 PM Reply   
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What I have been reading is people getting bankrupted by medical treatment, how does that happen if medical care is free? Why do so many take insurance if it's provided already by the state?

Do you have medical insurance? If so: How much does it cost? Why do you have it?
Delta is going to feed you some crap about free county hospitals, but it's irrelevant. Medical is free if you are poor and go to the ER. They bill you, but you can't get blood from a stone. Hospitals are only required to take you regardless of ability to pay if they take medicare. And they are only required to stabilize you, not address and fix the underlying problem. So for example, I recently had a gallstone. Because I had I had insurance they removed my gall bladder, which was medically recommended. If I didn't have HI they probably would have only removed the stone.

As you get older, your cost increases significantly. At 63 my HI is $1K per month for just me, $6000 deductible and $6K max out of pocket. I'm self employed so I deduct that before taxes. S0 the govt is kicking in about 40%, which would have normally been tax revenue.

So if you are poor you will at least get treatment at the ER basically for free. But if you are low income and are trying to retire before 65 (medicare) your entire net worth is at risk if you don't have HI. Bad credit can mean more than higher loan rates. Your auto insurance can increase as well. The underlying problem is that it's an embarrassment for a 1st world country to let people die on the streets and we have the worst approach to solving that problem. Free ER's for the poor are the most costly treatment and the govt doesn't adequately control costs in an industry the govt throws massive amounts of money in.

In addition the dishonesty is billing is extreme. For example my my gallstone treatment resulted in about $130K in bills, but only $70K after negotiated discounts. I've seen HI statements where lab tests were billed at $450 then after HI negotiated discount were $35. Recently a woman was billed IIRC for tests in the ballpark of $15K for tests that the HI company said would have been a few hundred if the lab was in network. She made a mistake and was taken advantage of.

A significant part of the problem is that the public is too f**k'n stupid to make reasonable demands. For example, if a HC was required to charge it's best negotiated rate to everyone, then we could prevent sick people being taken advantage of. Even if you didn't have HI, at least you would pay a decent rate. It's really amazing how cheap doctors are at the negotiated rates. The hospitals are where the damage is being done. Cat scan and MRI machines are huge cash generators. It's like buying food at DIsney, You are trapped, sick, and vulnerable. Versus getting an MRI or cat scan at an ext facility. HC in this country is destined for a financial crisis. It will ultimately be single payer. The hole we are in is to deep for a free market system to ever extricate itself from. We have not been free market for about a half century. It's toast and to over priced to recover.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-15-2019, 9:17 PM Reply   
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Because people don't want to go down to the county and wait
Seems amazing to me that people would take bankruptcy and practically lose all there assets rather than have a free alternative which just took a bit longer.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-16-2019, 5:43 AM Reply   
you may be able to walk away from an ER bill, but don't get any kind of chronic disease without HI. Cancer, leukemia, arthritis, etc... you don't get treated for those at the ER.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       03-16-2019, 7:13 AM Reply   
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ort/384853002/
California ranks last in quality of life in new report
What a BS report! It said, "The states with the best quality of life crowd the northern part of the U.S.: North Dakota ranked first followed by Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and South Dakota."

Yah, because it's great when you cannot take your bicycle out and ride it 6 months out of the year. Does Anyone else believe this report besides Delta? My older brother worked as a professor in North Dakota and moved out of State the first chance he got.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-16-2019, 7:26 AM Reply   
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Seems amazing to me that people would take bankruptcy and practically lose all there assets rather than have a free alternative which just took a bit longer.
It would be one thing if the US was at the top in the world when it comes to healthcare, it's nowhere close. Americans pay the most and get, at best, average care. Just like about everything else in the US, our medical system is geared to benefit the upper-class and then everyone else gets the leftover scraps. The wealthy can afford the access to top doctors in the country, the middle-class cannot. And it is more profitable for doctors to offer corrective care instead of offering preventive care.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       03-18-2019, 7:48 AM Reply   
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you may be able to walk away from an ER bill, but don't get any kind of chronic disease without HI. Cancer, leukemia, arthritis, etc... you don't get treated for those at the ER.
You get on Medicaid.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-19-2019, 11:28 AM Reply   
Looks like Trump's approval ratings went up and CNN had to report it since it was their own poll LOL!!!

MAGA= Make Alexandria Go Away
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-19-2019, 12:34 PM Reply   
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You get on Medicaid.

If you qualify. There are income and other eligibility requirements.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       03-19-2019, 12:58 PM Reply   
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If you qualify. There are income and other eligibility requirements.
right. Like being poor.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-19-2019, 3:24 PM Reply   
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What a BS report! It said, "The states with the best quality of life crowd the northern part of the U.S.: North Dakota ranked first followed by Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and South Dakota."

Yah, because it's great when you cannot take your bicycle out and ride it 6 months out of the year. Does Anyone else believe this report besides Delta? My older brother worked as a professor in North Dakota and moved out of State the first chance he got.
That is the only thing important to you. Where you say you can't ride your bike (I used to ride on the ice all the time growing up), they are mad that they can not go snow mobiling or cross country skiing or ice fishing. Also places like that usually has more indoor places to play. Our town of 19,000 people had a 6000 seat 2 level basket ball court at the high school with 6 basketball courts side to side when the seats are folded. There was at least 4 other places in town to play ball plus indoor swiming where you did not have to be rich to do it. All in the eye of the beholder.

I bet you don't have to make $102,000 a year to not qualify for section 8 housing living in areas outside of California. Though the nice bike riding weather makes it great for all those people living packed in under the overpasses in the city.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-19-2019, 3:26 PM Reply   
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Looks like Trump's approval ratings went up and CNN had to report it since it was their own poll LOL!!!

MAGA= Make Alexandria Go Away
Are we not talking about how the Steele report details were taken from a CNN opinion board? That is like Steele coming on Wake World and taking 95sn's rantings against Trump to then write another opinion piece, then send it off to get warrants.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-19-2019, 3:28 PM Reply   
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It would be one thing if the US was at the top in the world when it comes to healthcare, it's nowhere close. Americans pay the most and get, at best, average care. Just like about everything else in the US, our medical system is geared to benefit the upper-class and then everyone else gets the leftover scraps. The wealthy can afford the access to top doctors in the country, the middle-class cannot. And it is more profitable for doctors to offer corrective care instead of offering preventive care.
How long to you have to wait to get a ACL repair or cancer treatment? Even in Germany the healthcare is slanted to the upper class. The rich opt out of the state plans there too except everyone has to pay for the doctors and nurses to go to school as well as pay their salary.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-19-2019, 3:31 PM Reply   
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you may be able to walk away from an ER bill, but don't get any kind of chronic disease without HI. Cancer, leukemia, arthritis, etc... you don't get treated for those at the ER.
You may not get those treatments in socialized medicine either. They don't have infinite funds. Eventually a board makes a decision if you have taken more than your fair share out of the program. I guess you seem to forget those poor kids that were not allowed to go to other countries for treatment because the health board (and upheld by a judge) deemed the kids beyond the need to spend on them.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-19-2019, 3:48 PM Reply   
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You may not get those treatments in socialized medicine either. They don't have infinite funds. Eventually a board makes a decision if you have taken more than your fair share out of the program. I guess you seem to forget those poor kids that were not allowed to go to other countries for treatment because the health board (and upheld by a judge) deemed the kids beyond the need to spend on them.


Hell yeah I was waiting for the death panels!
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-19-2019, 3:50 PM Reply   
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right. Like being poor.

Poor enough is more like it.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-19-2019, 4:15 PM Reply   
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How long to you have to wait to get a ACL repair or cancer treatment? Even in Germany the healthcare is slanted to the upper class. The rich opt out of the state plans there too except everyone has to pay for the doctors and nurses to go to school as well as pay their salary.
Delta, why are you standing up for a health system that is imploding (with GOP assistance). My insurance mo bill went up 24% last year and another 24.5% starting next month. I spend more on insurance (health, 4 cars, house, boat) than I do on mortgages and beer and im healthy. What happened to the great health care the orange liar promised? That is a much more important promise than a wall. Who pays YOUR bill? Something has to be done, and soon. Republicans will never get it done because rich people can afford insurance. When most of the country cant afford the commodity of insurance the system has failed us.

BTW, When are you moving back to the wonderful state where you came from. They have a 6000 seat 2 level basket ball court at the high school with 6 basketball courts side to side when the seats are folded. There was at least 4 other places in town to play ball plus indoor swimming pool where you did not have to be rich to do it. Sounds high on the places to live list. Do you actually believe anything you post or is it 100% hate for most of the country?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       03-19-2019, 10:35 PM Reply   
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BTW, When are you moving back to the wonderful state where you came from. They have a 6000 seat 2 level basket ball court at the high school with 6 basketball courts side to side when the seats are folded. There was at least 4 other places in town to play ball plus indoor swimming pool where you did not have to be rich to do it. Sounds high on the places to live list. Do you actually believe anything you post or is it 100% hate for most of the country?
Hell I'm sold.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-20-2019, 5:48 AM Reply   
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That is the only thing important to you. Where you say you can't ride your bike (I used to ride on the ice all the time growing up), they are mad that they can not go snow mobiling or cross country skiing or ice fishing. Also places like that usually has more indoor places to play. Our town of 19,000 people had a 6000 seat 2 level basket ball court at the high school with 6 basketball courts side to side when the seats are folded. There was at least 4 other places in town to play ball plus indoor swiming where you did not have to be rich to do it. All in the eye of the beholder.

I bet you don't have to make $102,000 a year to not qualify for section 8 housing living in areas outside of California. Though the nice bike riding weather makes it great for all those people living packed in under the overpasses in the city.
I see that too, here in Tennessee. It's not just the liberal-mecca CA that has a homelessness problem.
Old     (onlyinboards)      Join Date: Oct 2014       03-20-2019, 7:19 AM Reply   
My health insurance jumped up over 25% this year too. The system is broken, something has to be done soon.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-20-2019, 7:29 AM Reply   
There have been a lot of suggestions to bring healthcare costs back down, like selling insurance across state lines. Why do the democrats block every attempt if it isn't Gov paid & single payer? Our worthless politicians could put forth things that could happen quickly unlike single payer that'd take years? We're being held hostage on multiple fronts by our leaders while we sit here & bicker like we're supporting our favorite teams.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-20-2019, 8:34 AM Reply   
"like selling insurance across state lines."

LOL, you are so f**k'n tooled if you think this is the solution to HC costs. You blame it on our leaders, but our leaders don't lead. They fill their campaign coffers while promoting bills written by lobbyists. The Americans who are insisting their representatives (not leaders) do anything are those wanting UHC and a real tangible transformation of the HC system. OTOH the right is a bunch of whiny b**tches with zero demands on their representatives WRT making progress towards the future of HC.

UHC is going to happen. It's just a question of how horrible our crony capitalism HC scheme has to get before it happens.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-20-2019, 9:06 AM Reply   
Here's an idea for those on the right that cling to Faux Market HC... Make a law that when HC providers negotiate a rate for a procedure with a HI company, they have to charge everyone the same rate. That way HI can be sold anywhere because it will cover all HC providers instead of only the one's that it negotiates with. The way the system currently works is that if you don't have a negotiated rate, you can be screwed over royally. So if HI is selling across state lines it's probably because it's terrible HI that doesn't protect you from outrageous charges.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 9:10 AM Reply   
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Hell yeah I was waiting for the death panels!
Did they not just do that in well publicized case in the last year or so? You can criticize all you want, however it is the TRUTH. Those are the cases that got traction. I bet you are not hearing the ones about the 85 year old people they are doing it to.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 9:27 AM Reply   
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Delta, why are you standing up for a health system that is imploding (with GOP assistance). My insurance mo bill went up 24% last year and another 24.5% starting next month. I spend more on insurance (health, 4 cars, house, boat) than I do on mortgages and beer and im healthy. What happened to the great health care the orange liar promised? That is a much more important promise than a wall. Who pays YOUR bill? Something has to be done, and soon. Republicans will never get it done because rich people can afford insurance. When most of the country cant afford the commodity of insurance the system has failed us.

BTW, When are you moving back to the wonderful state where you came from. They have a 6000 seat 2 level basket ball court at the high school with 6 basketball courts side to side when the seats are folded. There was at least 4 other places in town to play ball plus indoor swimming pool where you did not have to be rich to do it. Sounds high on the places to live list. Do you actually believe anything you post or is it 100% hate for most of the country?
Hate to tell you bud. Your 4 cars, house and a boat are not part of the socialist dream. You need to turn those in ASAP. Sounds like me you want to be a baller on a budget. You want all your toys but want other people to take care of you. From what I am reading you can absolutely afford your insurance. You sound like a perfect democrat. Democrats will not get it done either and there is nothing they can do to get it done unless they want to collapse our country and turn the whole country into the have and have-nots like california. Most of the people in california only have your toys due to generational wealth or took advantage of the fake real estate market where union guys would get paid under the table and were allowed to get declared income loans to buy multiple properties. Don't get me wrong, it take hard work just the same in cases, but you have a leg up on the rest of the country for it. You statistically would not have the things you do in the rest of the country. You would put out the same work without the same reward. With that said, you also do not have the income and wealth disparity in the rest of the country. Housing there is a place to live, not a money maker (for the most part).

Insurance is not made to be used. You want a service plan and are using it as such. The president does not pass legislation bud. If you believe a president has that power then you obviously (and you have shown it time and time again), know nothing about how the government works or anything about politics. He can set a direction he wants but it is up to congress to do what they got to do.

I will be moving in just a few years. Pointing out that other places may actually have better quality of life is not hate. You sound like the 18 year olds your party always tries to recruit. You know the ones who make emotional decisions that can be molded and brain washed. You seem to think that other parts of the country could not possibly be a good place to live. Hate to tell you, we can not find high tech workers in this state. They are being imported from the other states or out of the country. Why is that? I though only Calofornians were the only smart people.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 9:28 AM Reply   
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I see that too, here in Tennessee. It's not just the liberal-mecca CA that has a homelessness problem.
Just curious. How much do you have to make as a family to not qualify for housing assistance?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 9:29 AM Reply   
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My health insurance jumped up over 25% this year too. The system is broken, something has to be done soon.
Of course it did. That is what Obama care was made to do. It was a poison pill. The more people who have it and use it, the more it goes up.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-20-2019, 10:24 AM Reply   
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"like selling insurance across state lines."

LOL, you are so f**k'n tooled if you think this is the solution to HC costs. You blame it on our leaders, but our leaders don't lead. They fill their campaign coffers while promoting bills written by lobbyists. The Americans who are insisting their representatives (not leaders) do anything are those wanting UHC and a real tangible transformation of the HC system. OTOH the right is a bunch of whiny b**tches with zero demands on their representatives WRT making progress towards the future of HC.

UHC is going to happen. It's just a question of how horrible our crony capitalism HC scheme has to get before it happens.
You are such a pathetic long running joke. You'd think with all that vast wisdom you have you could hang on to a family...But alas, they tired of your **** too. Sad mouth beta cuck.

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-20-2019, 1:43 PM Reply   
What is it with Trump and McCain, he knows he's a dead war hero right?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 2:04 PM Reply   
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Here's an idea for those on the right that cling to Faux Market HC... Make a law that when HC providers negotiate a rate for a procedure with a HI company, they have to charge everyone the same rate. That way HI can be sold anywhere because it will cover all HC providers instead of only the one's that it negotiates with. The way the system currently works is that if you don't have a negotiated rate, you can be screwed over royally. So if HI is selling across state lines it's probably because it's terrible HI that doesn't protect you from outrageous charges.
I agree. The rate scale is horrible. That is why europe gets our drugs for cheap. The American companies are paying the R&D costs while Europe not so much
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-20-2019, 2:08 PM Reply   
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What is it with Trump and McCain, he knows he's a dead war hero right?
Funny the John McCain I remember from the press was a racist, general piss poor person and not worthy of running a country. Funny how perspective changes when the press has a new boogey man.

McCain is the one who gave the fake dossier some credibility when everyone knows he was in bed with the democrats late in his career. He also was the deciding vote on repealing Obamacare. He did it all to spite Trump so I can see where Trump hates the dude.

I am still looking for a response from you guys on the dossier being based on a CNN chat room/ opinion board. Any comments to that. 2 years of your guys lifes wasted because of a wake world chat room and political enemies wanting to discredit the president. Time to pay the piper.

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-20-2019, 2:43 PM Reply   
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You are such a pathetic long running joke. You'd think with all that vast wisdom you have you could hang on to a family...But alas, they tired of your **** too. Sad mouth beta cuck.
I know you're a huge dumb f**k, but even that doesn't explain why you make accusations with a total lack of knowledge of the subject. IIRC correctly you're the only person in this forum has chosen to advertise his failings as a parent. You're not even smart enough to grasp that point. Because if you were, then accusing others of having a f**k'd up family would not be a subject you would be touching.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-20-2019, 5:09 PM Reply   
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What is it with Trump and McCain, he knows he's a dead war hero right?
He was a lot of things, def a true American war hero. Trump so deranged hes having an argument with a dead man. Way to support OUR military. Winning.

Dossier is a small part, really small part of trumps troubles. Another 4 or 5 investigations...his corporation, his campaign, his inaugural.... Everything he does is dirty. What a lousy human.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-20-2019, 5:16 PM Reply   
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Funny the John McCain I remember from the press was a racist, general piss poor person and not worthy of running a country. Funny how perspective changes when the press has a new boogey man.

McCain is the one who gave the fake dossier some credibility when everyone knows he was in bed with the democrats late in his career. He also was the deciding vote on repealing Obamacare. He did it all to spite Trump so I can see where Trump hates the dude.

I am still looking for a response from you guys on the dossier being based on a CNN chat room/ opinion board. Any comments to that. 2 years of your guys lifes wasted because of a wake world chat room and political enemies wanting to discredit the president. Time to pay the piper.
I love how you always attempt to change the past so it fits your narrative and gives you another reason to stand up for Trump. Trump started all of the nonsense by saying that McCain was not a hero during the 2016 campaign. I'm glad that a GOP politician actually stood up for himself and didn't just cower down to Trump to keep out of his Twitter crosshairs. Trump reaped what he sowed with McCain and he can pat himself on the back when McCain voted no. Just like he is reaping what he sowed with Pelosi.

Obama successfully defeated John McCain and not one time did he attempt to disparage him over his time as a POW.

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-20-2019, 8:45 PM Reply   
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Did they not just do that in well publicized case in the last year or so? You can criticize all you want, however it is the TRUTH. Those are the cases that got traction. I bet you are not hearing the ones about the 85 year old people they are doing it to.
in any case that there is a scarce resource, there will be limits. Is it different than (a) not having insurance at all so not getting the chance to be denied, or (b) having insurance that also has limits and denies coverage for particular procedures? Nope, it's precisely the same thing.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-20-2019, 10:35 PM Reply   
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I am still looking for a response from you guys on the dossier being based on a CNN chat room/ opinion board. Any comments to that. 2 years of your guys lifes wasted because of a wake world chat room and political enemies wanting to discredit the president. Time to pay the piper.
The dossier originally was an dirt rake investigation commissioned by the Republicans to discredit trump before securing the nomination, after the nomination was secured it was dropped and then picked up by the DNC. Your CNN chat room stuff is bogus.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       03-20-2019, 10:57 PM Reply   
85% of what he posts is bogus since he came back from his hiatus. Not sure what happened. When caught in the lies the excuse is now "I'm not lying, I read it somewhere."
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-21-2019, 2:40 AM Reply   
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I know you're a huge dumb f**k, but even that doesn't explain why you make accusations with a total lack of knowledge of the subject. IIRC correctly you're the only person in this forum has chosen to advertise his failings as a parent. You're not even smart enough to grasp that point. Because if you were, then accusing others of having a f**k'd up family would not be a subject you would be touching.
Blah blah blah, it's clear as day you're the type that probably belittled & called your wife stupid then couldn't figure out why she'd jump on the first pole she could.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-21-2019, 4:40 AM Reply   
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85% of what he posts is bogus since he came back from his hiatus. Not sure what happened. When caught in the lies the excuse is now "I'm not lying, I read it somewhere."
Or he turns it into, "The republicans should use whatever necessary (violence included) to take down the democrats". He may have a stroke if Trump loses in 2020.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-21-2019, 4:51 AM Reply   
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He was a lot of things, def a true American war hero. Trump so deranged hes having an argument with a dead man. Way to support OUR military. Winning.

Dossier is a small part, really small part of trumps troubles. Another 4 or 5 investigations...his corporation, his campaign, his inaugural.... Everything he does is dirty. What a lousy human.
The GOP loves the military, unless they are not republicans. Some of the tactics they use show they are scumbags. The Swift Boat group lied their asses off about John Kerry to smear his name and his service in Vietnam. Trump pulled the same stuff with John McCain and other members of the military. They are the most unpatriotic POS's that roam this country. At least, if the MAGA-Civil War ever comes to fruition, we have little to worry about with the pussies sporting their red hats. They will be too chicken***** to do anything.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-21-2019, 5:30 AM Reply   
It's like a parody of the loony left writing itself right here.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-21-2019, 8:52 AM Reply   
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He was a lot of things, def a true American war hero. Trump so deranged hes having an argument with a dead man. Way to support OUR military. Winning.

Dossier is a small part, really small part of trumps troubles. Another 4 or 5 investigations...his corporation, his campaign, his inaugural.... Everything he does is dirty. What a lousy human.
Technically we lost that war. If you want to go that route then a military man should not defy the president considering he is the commander and chief. Or does that part run out when it is political rivals. Not sure which way this all goes.

You and your investigations. You certainly hold those in high regard yet do not fully grasp that any political rival can investigate you (aka democrats in the house). You really don't grasp how dangerous this is for our democracy. Are you one of those fools that think people on the no fly list should not be able to own a gun but on the other hand have no idea on how you get on the list to begin with and are willing to throw your rights and freedoms away to unnamed group of people.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-21-2019, 8:58 AM Reply   
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The dossier originally was an dirt rake investigation commissioned by the Republicans to discredit trump before securing the nomination, after the nomination was secured it was dropped and then picked up by the DNC. Your CNN chat room stuff is bogus.
The CNN chat room stuff is not bogus. Steele literally testified under oath that is where he got information to hold up his theory. Hard to be bogus when the man himself admitted this is where he got the info and that he did not know that the chat room was not a chat room but thought it was CNN articles. Even if it were a CNN article, it still is not factual and many time opinion pieces. So what we had here again was a soft coop attempt on the president by political rivals.

Anyone find it odd that the democrat party looked to a foreign official to dig up dirt and use it to get FISA warrants under false pretenses. Talk about foreign interference in our elections and in our government.
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