lol, do you even realize what you type? You're comparing a supreme court ruling where they didn't want to compromise a presidency because Gore was going to win if they did a recount to this
lol, do you even realize what you type? You're comparing a supreme court ruling where they didn't want to compromise a presidency because Gore was going to win if they did a recount to this
Yep. If you want I can also dig up all the posts regarding vote rigging in Ohio and other places that the democrats claim Republicans cheated them. You should see the progressive threats on the electronic machines. Those are some pretty good ones.
We can go on about democrat election rigging through history. Kennedy over Nixon where 3 people were ultimately jailed and 600 plus indicted on election fraud in Chicago.
Hell, my name was on the ballot twice this last midterm. You don't need ID so I could have voted twice.
This is all very entertaining. For balance I would like to see some Hilderbeast supporters made to look stupid as well, surely Drumpf doesn't have a monopoly on retarded supporters. Or maybe interview some Drumpf supporters who can string 3-4 coherent thoughts together. That might be harder to achieve tho....
This is all very entertaining. For balance I would like to see some Hilderbeast supporters made to look stupid as well, surely Drumpf doesn't have a monopoly on retarded supporters. Or maybe interview some Drumpf supporters who can string 3-4 coherent thoughts together. That might be harder to achieve tho....
For whatever reason conservatives are too self-serious here to have their own comedy show to mock ignorant libs (and yes they are plentiful too). I mean I guess you could consider Hanity comedy, but it's not intentional.
Yep. If you want I can also dig up all the posts regarding vote rigging in Ohio and other places that the democrats claim Republicans cheated them. You should see the progressive threats on the electronic machines. Those are some pretty good ones.
We can go on about democrat election rigging through history. Kennedy over Nixon where 3 people were ultimately jailed and 600 plus indicted on election fraud in Chicago.
Hell, my name was on the ballot twice this last midterm. You don't need ID so I could have voted twice.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. Good god. Where are the records of people getting jailed for the Kennedy Nixon election. Nowhere. That is nothing but a conspiracy. Not like having an actual supreme court case you know?
Again, there are actually plenty of ways you guys have tried to rig elections. Same day registration, early voting, voter ids. THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD.
NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. Good god. Where are the records of people getting jailed for the Kennedy Nixon election. Nowhere. That is nothing but a conspiracy. Not like having an actual supreme court case you know?
Again, there are actually plenty of ways you guys have tried to rig elections. Same day registration, early voting, voter ids. THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD.
Before you jump to conclusions, the theme of the article basically says that Nixon was not robbed and that his cronies pressed for recounts and so on and they were not fruitful but there was voter fraud in Cook County (Chicago). So yes, fraud happens.
On the other hand, some fraud clearly occurred in Cook County. At least three people were sent to jail for election-related crimes, and 677 others were indicted before being acquitted by Judge John M. Karns, a Daley crony. Many of the allegations involved practices that wouldn't be detected by a recount, leading the conservative Chicago Tribune, among others, to conclude that "once an election has been stolen in Cook County, it stays stolen." What's more, according to journalist Seymour Hersh, a former Justice Department prosecutor who heard tapes of FBI wiretaps from the period believed that Illinois was rightfully Nixon's. Hersh also has written that J. Edgar Hoover believed Nixon actually won the presidency but in deciding to follow normal procedures and refer the FBI's findings to the attorney general—as of Jan. 20, 1961, Robert F. Kennedy—he effectively buried the case.
You know what is really sad is these idiots just want a better life for themselves, their families and their country and they have been duped in to thinking that Drumpf wants that for them too. Little do they know the narsassit dimwit has neither the skill or inclination to provide it. Not that their life will be any better under Hilderbeast i guess, less likely to be worse tho which is a strong possibility under Drumpf imo.
It already happened remember the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.now she works for Hill lie ory .No doubt you don't even have to be alive to vote Democrat.
It already happened remember the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.now she works for Hill lie ory .No doubt you don't even have to be alive to vote Democrat.
So you think that because there was a bias within the party that voter fraud is running rampant? Do you even understand what happened with the DNC? Could you imagine if the republican party emails came out about Trump? You don't think they were trying to have a bias towards ANYBODY but that guy? The difference is that the DNC tried to keep it a secret. GOP made it known they were trying to get anybody but Trump. What you brought up has zero to do with voting fraud.
TheWakeIsReal
(denverd1)Join Date: May 2004Location: Tyler
10-07-2016, 9:08 AM
North Carolina passed a law requiring voters to show ID. Seems normal to me, until the courts got involved saying it was a racist ploy to oppress black folk. So now they can vote with no ID.
North Carolina passed a law requiring voters to show ID. Seems normal to me, until the courts got involved saying it was a racist ploy to oppress black folk. So now they can vote with no ID.
What voter fraud???
Dude, again you are clueless. Go look at what actual republicans have said about requiring voter ID so that minorities have less of a chance to get to the polls. The fact that your party has come out and said they wanted the law to keep minorities from voting means you should be banging your head.
Dude, again you are clueless. Go look at what actual republicans have said about requiring voter ID so that minorities have less of a chance to get to the polls. The fact that your party has come out and said they wanted the law to keep minorities from voting means you should be banging your head.
Uhhh.... only democrats have said that. You are listening to your own people on that. Republicans want ID's so there is no cheating and we can go on and on about how many things you have to have an ID to even do in this country and Voting should be one of them.
deltahoosier
(denverd1)Join Date: May 2004Location: Tyler
10-07-2016, 9:23 AM
ha! if you think legislation from the '60s is still relevant today, you're part of the problem. you and every other kook are so quick to start beating the **** out of your racist drum. Amazing how blind you all are.
What, why wouldn't you require ID? Who of voting age doesn't have some form of ID? I presume there is a central register that checks each name only votes once? I can't wait for internet based voting to be rolled out
What, why wouldn't you require ID? Who of voting age doesn't have some form of ID? I presume there is a central register that checks each name only votes once? I can't wait for internet based voting to be rolled out
Nope. My name was on the roster twice. I could have voted twice. Someone can vote for a dead relative if their name have not been actively scrubbed from the roster.
You see in America, it is considered racist to ask for ID to control the country but is not racists to do almost everything in society including the fact that you must be able to produce an ID or be held by law enforcement until you can be identified.
deltahoosier
(denverd1)Join Date: May 2004Location: Tyler
10-07-2016, 12:02 PM
A story? As reported by the media?? you mean the fair and unbiased folks who are currently brokering the s#!t show thats going on in american politics?
A story? As reported by the media?? you mean the fair and unbiased folks who are currently brokering the s#!t show thats going on in american politics?
you're kidding, right?
What in the world are you even talking about? You realize you're proving my point. Right winged nuts would have loved to take that story and ran with it. But there's no story. That's my point.
It doesn't really matter. Delta brought up the Bush Gore election where there actually was a major controversy and a supreme court ruling and how we were crazy for complaining. Then he brings up a conspiracy theory from the 60s as proof we rig elections? lol. Then you got the other nacho guy who is just lost in the entire thing.
It has nothing to do with the 200 million. It has to do with electoral college. The basics of it for most states, the person who wins the states popular vote, wins the electoral votes for the whole state. Does not matter if the vote was statistically 50/50. Winner takes all. That is why the Broward County in FL was important is Bush v Gore. It was an extremely tight race state wide and the democrats wanted to count votes that were "hanging" chads. In the 1960 election, Cook County with includes Chicago was very late in reporting it's vote total and is known to be a big union/ organized crime town. Kennedy won in Illinois by roughly 8000 plus votes and Chicago voted democrat by a very high statistical margin.
I am not pointing that it was right or wrong about the outcomes but pointing that all it takes is a few people stuffing some boxes, having dead relatives vote, having black panthers hanging at the polling place to upset the whole presidential election.
That is why the Broward County in FL was important is Bush v Gore. It was an extremely tight race state wide and the democrats wanted to count votes that were "hanging" chads.
So democrats wanted a legitimate count where everyone's vote matters, and the republicans wanted to disqualify votes on a technicality. Sounds like a fair description.
So democrats wanted a legitimate count where everyone's vote matters, and the republicans wanted to disqualify votes on a technicality. Sounds like a fair description.
Uh huh....Sounds like democrats wanted to discount votes on a technicality (Like someone putting pressure over the democrat vote in the pile partially dislodging the little chad pieces. If they voted democrat, it does nothing, if they voted republican it looks like theiy tried to vote democrat first or voted twice which gets the vote thrown out. It goes both ways.
Uh huh....Sounds like democrats wanted to discount votes on a technicality (Like someone putting pressure over the democrat vote in the pile partially dislodging the little chad pieces. If they voted democrat, it does nothing, if they voted republican it looks like theiy tried to vote democrat first or voted twice which gets the vote thrown out. It goes both ways.
Is everyone who is saying that I.D. should be required going to ignore the U.S. Constitution? A poll tax in order to vote is VERY illegal according to the Constitution of the United States of America. I.D. costs money. Requiring something that costs money in order to vote would be a poll tax. Have any of the states who have put forth I.D. requirements for voting offered to give citizens free and unhindered access to the proper I.D.??? Of course they haven't. That's because it isn't actually about voter identification. It's about voter suppression.
Is everyone who is saying that I.D. should be required going to ignore the U.S. Constitution? A poll tax in order to vote is VERY illegal according to the Constitution of the United States of America. I.D. costs money. Requiring something that costs money in order to vote would be a poll tax. Have any of the states who have put forth I.D. requirements for voting offered to give citizens free and unhindered access to the proper I.D.??? Of course they haven't. That's because it isn't actually about voter identification. It's about voter suppression.
Pretty simple, just provide a voter ID with the registration, it doesn't have to be against the Constitution
Is everyone who is saying that I.D. should be required going to ignore the U.S. Constitution? A poll tax in order to vote is VERY illegal according to the Constitution of the United States of America. I.D. costs money. Requiring something that costs money in order to vote would be a poll tax. Have any of the states who have put forth I.D. requirements for voting offered to give citizens free and unhindered access to the proper I.D.??? Of course they haven't. That's because it isn't actually about voter identification. It's about voter suppression.
Isn't owning a gun in the bill of rights? Yet you have to jump through tons of hoops to have one and getting to be more to keep one.
I can normally see the point of view of the opposing party. I normally see it, read up on it, and decide that I just don't agree. Politics should be that simple. You either lean one way or the other....or somewhere in between.
but
I honestly don't see/understand how requiring an ID to vote, is racist, suppression, or have anything to do with anything except making an effort to make sure that only legal citizens vote.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, contrary, stubborn or thick headed............I just don't understand the big deal. I would think that every honest American would want this very thing
In fact, I firmly believe that it's just the opposite. I believe Democrats don't want voter ID, so that any potential illegal immigrant who wants to vote, can vote.
You need a ID to drive, buy cigarettes, buy Liquor, rent a car,rent a hotel room,start a bank account. Why wouldn't you need a ID to vote? It's to prove you are of age and a legal citizen.
Did you two even read what Eric just wrote? Cliff you say you read up but he just spelled it out for you.
If you recall the North Carolina thread the republican guy literally admitted that they got data and set up the law to suppress the black vote and you still wouldn't believe it lol.
And Robert, nothing you mentioned has anything to do with constitutionally given rights.
As for the election being rigged, it must be because Glenn Beck is now saying the moral choice is not to vote for Trump and Bill O'Reilly also said Clinton is going to win and even though he disagrees with her policies, that she is qualified. Hell's freezing over and that fat pig Trump is about to fly...
You need to hang out on progressive websites. They are all over the Diabold electronic voting machines as a election rigging machine. This is not the right saying this.
Fair enough. If the system is that fragile then democratic reform should be a platform for the next presidential race. Technology has moved so far since this system was conceived it is time for an overhaul
I've posted about it 3 or 4 times here on WW but it's never really generated much conversation. However, with Texas increasingly going blue (and the GOP generally falling into crisis this year) I have a feeling republicans are going to be increasingly talking about it as it may be their only chance to ever get into the white house again in 2024 and beyond...
It's one of the things that republicans don't really like to talk about because it flies in the face of the view of the founding fathers they like to promote. But the reality is that the FF didn't trust people to be smart enough to not do something incredibly moronic - like nominate someone like Trump for instance...
The reality is the world is a very different place than when the constitution was written. You can see that the voting system was the best option when communication across a vast country takes weeks. When it takes milli-seconds there are better options.
You can make the same argument with gun laws, a largely rural country with muskets requires different gun laws than an urban environment with assault weapons.
It's one of the things that republicans don't really like to talk about because it flies in the face of the view of the founding fathers they like to promote. But the reality is that the FF didn't trust people to be smart enough to not do something incredibly moronic - like nominate someone like Trump for instance...
Or Hillary... There fixed.
deltahoosier
(pesos)Join Date: Oct 2001Location: Texas
10-11-2016, 2:18 PM
It doesn't surprise me that those guys would ignore the illegal poll tax aspect of voting rights. Those are the same guys who in another thread boasted that they didn't think poor people and people who don't pay taxes should be allowed to vote. I wonder if they would add that people who don't pay taxes would also not be allowed to run for office.
If the other argument is that some poor people don't have access to birth records, don't start the policy right away. Gradually slide into it.
Example.....Pick an age that those people and younger have to provide documentation. Kind of like the inspection on a car.
Develop a system that gets more and more poor access to birth certificates. We live in an electronic/computerized age. There has to be a way to provide a BC for everyone born a citizen, to have a certificate.....paper or electronic
Eventually, those that claim that they never had one or can't get one, will not be a factor
It could take a generation, but at least, in the long run, everyone will have access and posses a birth certificate and an ID.
There has to be a solution there. To just dismiss it.....seems suspect
Hi Cliff, absolutely a paused approach that takes into account certain circumstances properly would be more acceptable. But that's not what is being done. Can you admit that in NoCo the intent was voter suppression? If the person that organized it can admit it, why can't you?
Not to mention wrt to birth certificates you have to consider immigrant scenarios. Case in point is the new law in Louisiana which is preventing many legal immigrants from getting married because they come from countries where home births are common and many folks don't have birth certificates - especially those that fled war.
Like this poor family who had to resort to driving hours on end (with liver cancer) to a reasonable state that accepted a green card as basis for marriage. A friggin green card isn't enough in LA - are you kidding me?
Wes, admittedly, I have not read up on what NOCO has done. I'm sure that there is some voter suppression motives, much like there are some amnesty type of voter motives from the left.
I'm hoping that one day, we can get past the name calling and finger pointing, and do what needs to be done.
let the crazies on the right, and the loons on the left, keep complaining and stirring up drama.....while some real leader pushes forward with bills/laws that are actually good for the country. This might not always be good for every individual , but do what's generally good for the country
I'm certain Oblummer wasn't that guy. I'm pretty sure that Clinton isn't that person. To me, it's unclear if a non-politician can get it done, but I think it's time we try.
It's to bad that the first black was unqualified, that the first woman isn't the right choice, and that the first businessman is unfit.......perhaps one day....
Wes, admittedly, I have not read up on what NOCO has done. I'm sure that there is some voter suppression motives, much like there are some amnesty type of voter motives from the left.
If you haven't read on what NOCO has done then you absolutely zero say in the conversation of voter fraud lol. That is what this entire topic is about.
I really don't have a problem with ID to vote. I get the poll tax and literacy test stuff, I do. But being asked to identify yourself is pretty dang common. Can't do something as mundane as fly or pick up your online shipped to store order at walmart without an ID. So why something as important as voting?
Seems to me that needing to pre-register to vote is a bigger bar to actually casting a ballot than remembering to bring your ID.
Voting is a fundamental right - that's kind of the whole point. Those other things you listed are privileges a lot of people will never experience. I'm about 53% convinced your last statement means you get all that and are being sarcastic lol
I have moved a lot the last few years so I've started doing permanent absentee voting. Don't have to show my ID and hell, Grant or Mark could just grab my ballot out of the mailbox and Trumpify it. We better shut down absentee voting!!!
Voting is a fundamental right - that's kind of the whole point. Those other things you listed are privileges a lot of people will never experience. I'm about 53% convinced your last statement means you get all that and are being sarcastic lol
I have moved a lot the last few years so I've started doing permanent absentee voting. Don't have to show my ID and hell, Grant or Mark could just grab my ballot out of the mailbox and Trumpify it. We better shut down absentee voting!!!
Well. Absentee voting is a new wrinkle to voting as the constitution states that there is a single day set aside to vote.
I really don't have a problem with ID to vote. I get the poll tax and literacy test stuff, I do. But being asked to identify yourself is pretty dang common. Can't do something as mundane as fly or pick up your online shipped to store order at walmart without an ID. So why something as important as voting?
Seems to me that needing to pre-register to vote is a bigger bar to actually casting a ballot than remembering to bring your ID.
let them eat cake and so forth.
I'm going to assume you don't hang out with many poor people whose last thing they need an ID for is online shopping or flying.
And yet for voting to be a right and not respect the integrity of the process that voting represents (i.e. one person one vote, all votes counted -- accurately) sorta undermines the whole thing. Voting is a fundamental right, for citizens of voting age. If you don't have to take even the most basic steps to verify citizenship or age, that undermines the integrity of the voting process, which all of us have an interest in.
I vote early, always. A signature is required to get your ballot. It always bugs the heck out of me that they scrutinize my signature like I'm some sort of master forger (and my sig has definitely deteriorated over the 20 years since I registered) and they are handwriting experts, rather than just being able to ask me for my state issued photo ID to verify my identity.
I'm totally not immune to the argument that there are disenfranchisement motivations to voter ID. But it seems to me that this issue would be surmountable... maybe with mobile ID stations and the like? "jim crow/poll tax' is only a valid counterargument for so long and eventually it's reasonable to take even the most basic steps to accurately verify the identity of voters.
ok wake, so I'm not eligible to comment on this post. Sorry
having said that, I guess you would still be against a voter ID even if all of the issues were successfully addressed?
Dude, go read about North Carolina and voter ID's then come talk. You're talking about something that it seems you haven't even researched in the least bit which is weird because usually you at least bring something factual to the table.
Since voter IDs will cost a lot of money and voter fraud is not a statistical issue, why do we need to spend the money? spend the cash on books or bridges.
1. Actual voter fraud isn't an actual issue. That is a fact
2. Republicans are actively pushing voter suppression. People who think that Republicans are not asking a lot are just sipping the kool-aid. If not than why isn't voter ID an issue in blue states?
This article shows just how crazy voter suppression is:
Its not a complicated equation: Minorities primarily vote democrat. Republicans know that, and push to limit minority votes under the cover of "voter fraud"
The entire idea that people are for voter suppression is liberal fairly tale land. People want verification of your eligibility to vote. Why is that so friggin hard to understand?
You have to have an ID for everything you do in this country, but for some reason asking for an id to vote is unreasonable. Crazy thought process.
You can't even check out a book at a local library without some id, yet something so important as voting is just so impossible that we can't even discuss it.
Voter fraud shows up every election.. is it massive.. probably not.. is it enough to change an outcome.. probably not... but it is a simple to fix and it could have an effect and should not be allowed.
The Podesta emails leaked show that democrats consider it and encourage voter fraud.. which is obviously why they are against it.
The entire idea that people are for voter suppression is liberal fairly tale land. People want verification of your eligibility to vote. Why is that so friggin hard to understand?
You have to have an ID for everything you do in this country, but for some reason asking for an id to vote is unreasonable. Crazy thought process.
You can't even check out a book at a local library without some id, yet something so important as voting is just so impossible that we can't even discuss it.
Voter fraud shows up every election.. is it massive.. probably not.. is it enough to change an outcome.. probably not... but it is a simple to fix and it could have an effect and should not be allowed.
The Podesta emails leaked show that democrats consider it and encourage voter fraud.. which is obviously why they are against it.
Did you even read the article? It's amazing how deep into the kool-aid you guys get. Why is it so hard for republicans to understand to be eligible to vote, you only have to be a citizen? Sorry republicans, but minorities votes counts just as much as yours.
Do you not understand what a Voter ID is? People are not asking to show an drivers license or passport, they're asking for people to apply for a separate voter ID. If your not listed on voter registration sheets, you show an ID.
In Bibb Co. a polling station was moved from a public park to a sheriff's office. A staffer was quoted as saying "we know blacks don't like to come to the sheriffs office"
Did you even read the article? It's amazing how deep into the kool-aid you guys get. Why is it so hard for republicans to understand to be eligible to vote, you only have to be a citizen? Sorry republicans, but minorities votes counts just as much as yours.
Do you not understand what a Voter ID is? People are not asking to show an drivers license or passport, they're asking for people to apply for a separate voter ID. If your not listed on voter registration sheets, you show an ID.
In Bibb Co. a polling station was moved from a public park to a sheriff's office. A staffer was quoted as saying "we know blacks don't like to come to the sheriffs office"
What do you democrats don't understand is we want you to be a citizen to vote and we want you to prove it. No one that I know is asking for a separate "voter ID". We are asking that you do show ID because you currently do not have to show a thing but say a name on the list.
deltahoosier
(doublemwa)Join Date: May 2016
10-27-2016, 9:22 PM
What do you democrats don't understand is we want you to be a citizen to vote and we want you to prove it. No one that I know is asking for a separate "voter ID". We are asking that you do show ID because you currently do not have to show a thing but say a name on the list.
No one you know is asking because that is the very legislation that is being pushed. At some point during voter registration you have to show some form and proof of citizenship. The Voter ID laws that are being proposed are not in the works to fix anything but rather to serve as cover for voter suppression. Wouldn't it be easier to win the vote of minorities rather then keeping them from voting?
What do you democrats don't understand is we want you to be a citizen to vote and we want you to prove it. No one that I know is asking for a separate "voter ID". We are asking that you do show ID because you currently do not have to show a thing but say a name on the list.
That is not all that "we" is pushing. In NC, they went out of their way to minimize the minority vote. Including, restricting days people can vote and limiting the traditional polling places for minorities. Besides, wouldn't you think if "we" were more serious about voter fraud, they would be focusing their attention more towards absentee ballots? You don't need an ID for those.
"Lackey said she is confronted with such confusion most election cycles, and this year has been no exception. Her personal hypothesis is that voters, so accustomed to touch screens in their everyday lives, hit the machine's button after indicating their choices, inadvertently "deselecting" their preferred vote."
Basically people are too stupid to use the machines properly lol.
Hey border security zealots, how do you feel about this Korean guy who got adopted at 3, parents never completed citizenship papers, abused him (and were convicted), abandoned him to foster care, then he gets in trouble with law, is father to four anchor babies, and is now being deported back to South Korea (he doesn't hablo Korean)?
Hey border security zealots, how do you feel about this Korean guy who got adopted at 3, parents never completed citizenship papers, abused him (and were convicted), abandoned him to foster care, then he gets in trouble with law, is father to four anchor babies, and is now being deported back to South Korea (he doesn't hablo Korean)?
Zealots? Really? Wanting the laws of this country obeyed is now being a zealot? Understanding that you have a closed system of taxes and public distribution of tax money that can not have unlimited non contributors moving in is a zealot? Wanting to know if guns and terrorist are coming in country is not a zealot? Interesting. I take it you and Soros share the same myopic dream that the US has no boarders?
What you are seeing is centralized government does not work for the individual. They make broad laws and rulings.
So now this guy is in trouble with the law? What did he do? If it is bad enough, send him home. Sure beats the tax payer dealing with him for how many years? If it was not bad then teach him some Spanish, they will not deport him. Not all laws work down to the minute details. Sometimes misjustice happen.
Delta just go down and vote twice and see what happens
Nope. Not touching that one, though I do get concerned that someone at the end of the day sees I have not shown up and decides to fill in a ballot for me. I am not happy at all about it.
Delta just go down and vote twice and see what happens
Also, my name is spelled differently on both lines. Short then the proper name. I don't think anyone would even know if I was stupid enough to do such a thing. You would have to be motivated to start scrubbing.
Hey border security zealots, how do you feel about this Korean guy who got adopted at 3, parents never completed citizenship papers, abused him (and were convicted), abandoned him to foster care, then he gets in trouble with law, is father to four anchor babies, and is now being deported back to South Korea (he doesn't hablo Korean)?
What would you say to a kid whose father pulled a "bernie madoff?" The kid never did anything wrong, but he had millions of others money. Should he have to give it back or would you just say, "oh it's ok. just keep it." I do love it when people virtue signal though. When you say border security zealots, you make it sound like a bad thing. I'd like you to answer this: Do you have doors and windows no your home? Do those doors and windows have locks? Perhaps you have an alarm system? Do you allow anyone to walk in and use whatever they want? Without meeting you could I walk into your home without your permission and proceed to eat your food, watch your tv, use your bathroom, sleep in your bed, but not pay the property tax, insurance, mortgage, etc?
What would you say to a kid whose father pulled a "bernie madoff?" The kid never did anything wrong, but he had millions of others money. Should he have to give it back or would you just say, "oh it's ok. just keep it." I do love it when people virtue signal though. When you say border security zealots, you make it sound like a bad thing. I'd like you to answer this: Do you have doors and windows no your home? Do those doors and windows have locks? Perhaps you have an alarm system? Do you allow anyone to walk in and use whatever they want? Without meeting you could I walk into your home without your permission and proceed to eat your food, watch your tv, use your bathroom, sleep in your bed, but not pay the property tax, insurance, mortgage, etc?
The better analogy would be if the kid's dad pulled a Bernie Madoff would you throw the kid in jail too?
Hard for me to fathom how a foreign adoptee brought here when he was three has any culpability for having crummy adoptive parents who neglect to obtain his citizenship like they promised they would as part fo the adoption.
The better analogy would be if the kid's dad pulled a Bernie Madoff would you throw the kid in jail too?
Hard for me to fathom how a foreign adoptee brought here when he was three has any culpability for having crummy adoptive parents who neglect to obtain his citizenship like they promised they would as part fo the adoption.
It's a terrible situation. He should just go to mexico and then walk over the border. he'd be fine. Still curious as to if you let strangers walk in and out of your house at their leisure.
mojo1127
(shawndoggy)Join Date: Nov 2009
11-01-2016, 11:06 AM
What would you say to a kid whose father pulled a "bernie madoff?" The kid never did anything wrong, but he had millions of others money. Should he have to give it back or would you just say, "oh it's ok. just keep it." I do love it when people virtue signal though. When you say border security zealots, you make it sound like a bad thing. I'd like you to answer this: Do you have doors and windows no your home? Do those doors and windows have locks? Perhaps you have an alarm system? Do you allow anyone to walk in and use whatever they want? Without meeting you could I walk into your home without your permission and proceed to eat your food, watch your tv, use your bathroom, sleep in your bed, but not pay the property tax, insurance, mortgage, etc?
What does any of this have to do with my question?
Should I respond with whether you check your oil level and tire pressure daily? Does your car have a dipstick? Could I open your hood and check your oil too?
What does any of this have to do with my question?
Should I respond with whether you check your oil level and tire pressure daily? Does your car have a dipstick? Could I open your hood and check your oil too?
it has to do with you claiming people who want a secure border are zealots aka crazy. I am asking if you secure your own property. If you do then you are a hypocrite. If you would allow a stranger to do the things I mentioned then you are not a hypocrite. I have no way to verify, but I would imagine that you lock your doors, and would not take kindly to coming home to find a family not your own occupying your home. your dipstick analogy is asinine. you know very well what i am getting at with my questions.
mojo1127
(shawndoggy)Join Date: Nov 2009
11-01-2016, 11:59 AM
it has to do with you claiming people who want a secure border are zealots aka crazy.
Ahhhh! It's a dictionary problem!
Simple Definition of zealot
: a person who has very strong feelings about something (such as religion or politics) and who wants other people to have those feelings : a zealous person
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