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Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-17-2013, 10:34 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by MattieK27 View Post
Why? 7200lb tow rating on the 2014 SRT8 Grand Cherokee. 470 hp, 465 lb-ft torque. 15" discs with brembo 6 piston calipers in front, 13.7" and four pistons in the back. 5200lb curb weight.

Not capable enough? I laugh that a good amount of trucks in this thread are bigger than my buddies tow vehicles; considering they are towing 36' plus go-fast boats. If you like big trucks, fine. Don't justify it by ragging on other vehicles towing capabilities though...
Ahem... the max towing capacity of the JGC SRT8 is 5,000 lbs. See for yourself...

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/grand-ch....html?sub=srt8

That G23 probably weighs over 8,000 lbs. incl. trailer, tower, gas, gear, etc.

Not to mention, look at the wheelbase on the Jeep... is it just me, or does it look way out of proportion with the Jeep?
Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-17-2013, 10:46 PM Reply   
Kind of bored tonight so I threw together a quick pie chart of all the tow rigs we've seen since this thread started. I was surprised to see how dominant GM is. I kind of figured they'd be closer to even with Ford.

Total population at this point is ~ 175. Also, I tried not to count anybody's rig twice (many have been double posted).

Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       02-17-2013, 11:18 PM Reply   
add one more Dodge to that pie please.
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Old     (jtiblier123)      Join Date: Jan 2011       02-18-2013, 5:43 AM Reply   
I have driven GM my whole life up until 2011 when I got this F-250. Since buying the Ford, I will probably never go back. Here she is...
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Old     (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       02-18-2013, 6:33 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
Ahem... the max towing capacity of the JGC SRT8 is 5,000 lbs. See for yourself...

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/grand-ch....html?sub=srt8

That G23 probably weighs over 8,000 lbs. incl. trailer, tower, gas, gear, etc.

Not to mention, look at the wheelbase on the Jeep... is it just me, or does it look way out of proportion with the Jeep?
Weird, I can read and it sure looks like the 2014 GC tows 7200 lbs...

http://www.ultimatecarblog.com/2014-...r-of-the-wild/

I mean, since the 2014 is pictured, we should look at the 2014 tow rating, right?
Old     (dhill)      Join Date: Aug 2010       02-18-2013, 6:55 AM Reply   
because real life experience tells me that my suburban (towing capacity of 7500) struggles towing my 230 with 6 people in the vehicle and enough gear for a six day trip to lake cumberland. i could not imagine the weight of a g23. we can go to the math and capacities all day long, but i would not be comfortable trusting so much to such a small vehicle. specifically, there were a couple elevations on the way to this ramp (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2324+...gl=us&t=h&z=16).

during a more normal weekend in indianapolis, the jeep would be very capable. again, was not trying to bash anyone else's vehicle. i owned a jeep grand cherokee for several year, it towed my 2001 mastercraft x10 just fine, but would not purchase the jeep if i owned a g23.

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Originally Posted by MattieK27 View Post
Why? 7200lb tow rating on the 2014 SRT8 Grand Cherokee. 470 hp, 465 lb-ft torque. 15" discs with brembo 6 piston calipers in front, 13.7" and four pistons in the back. 5200lb curb weight.

Not capable enough? I laugh that a good amount of trucks in this thread are bigger than my buddies tow vehicles; considering they are towing 36' plus go-fast boats. If you like big trucks, fine. Don't justify it by ragging on other vehicles towing capabilities though...

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Old     (Bcbound)      Join Date: Feb 2013       02-18-2013, 7:07 AM Reply   
2009 F-350 Harley Edition
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Old     (jtiblier123)      Join Date: Jan 2011       02-18-2013, 8:01 AM Reply   
Harley Edition....I am glad there is a retaining wall for falling rocks because that is one truck that is way to beautiful to mess up... I like the blue on the Harley edition also
Old     (jfergus7)      Join Date: Jul 2011       02-18-2013, 8:12 AM Reply   
That Harley Edition is beautiful. What is the rack on over the bed? Looks like a snowmobile platform.
Old     (Bcbound)      Join Date: Feb 2013       02-18-2013, 8:29 AM Reply   
Thanks for the kind words. That's a Sled/Quad deck on the back. I am able to haul two of each.
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Old     (delmage171)      Join Date: Mar 2008       02-18-2013, 10:24 AM Reply   
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Ten years ago I would have been waaaaaaay cool..... decade late and a bunch of dollars short like normal....
still a BOSS set up!

Sick truck and 210
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       02-18-2013, 10:42 AM Reply   
what about a gasoline and diesel pie chart?
Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-18-2013, 11:12 AM Reply   
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add one more Dodge to that pie please.
I'm not updating the chart every time there's a new post.
Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-18-2013, 11:25 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by MattieK27 View Post
Weird, I can read and it sure looks like the 2014 GC tows 7200 lbs...

http://www.ultimatecarblog.com/2014-...r-of-the-wild/

I mean, since the 2014 is pictured, we should look at the 2014 tow rating, right?
Ooops... didn't realize the 2014 was different. I assume since the title of this thread is "Show us your tow vehicle" that you own one of these new 2014 SRT8's, right? I'll also assume that you own that G23 pictured in the article too. Sweet set up, bro!

Now some math for you...

G23: 6,000 lbs. (incl. tower)
Trailer: 1,500 lbs.
Gas: 400 lbs.
Gear: 200 lbs.

Total: 8,100 lbs.

So... if the Jeep is empty w/out any gear or passengers, you have still exceeded the towing capacity by almost 1,000 lbs. Even if you dump the gear and gas, you are still over. And this is assuming you have no passengers or gear in the Jeep! Start putting people in the Jeep (wife, kids, etc.) and your tow capacity goes down.

Come on... you don't honestly think that a big motor and big brakes are enough to tow that whale, do you?

I towed my VLX with my '12 5.7L Hemi JGC and it was not fun... even though the engine was plenty, the much lighter VLX pulled the Jeep all over the place, despite the 7,200 lb. rating. Just because you can do it on paper (and with the G23 my math proves you can't) doesn't make it a good idea.

Old     (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       02-18-2013, 2:34 PM Reply   
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Ooops... didn't realize the 2014 was different. I assume since the title of this thread is "Show us your tow vehicle" that you own one of these new 2014 SRT8's, right? I'll also assume that you own that G23 pictured in the article too. Sweet set up, bro!

Now some math for you...

G23: 6,000 lbs. (incl. tower)
Trailer: 1,500 lbs.
Gas: 400 lbs.
Gear: 200 lbs.

Total: 8,100 lbs.

So... if the Jeep is empty w/out any gear or passengers, you have still exceeded the towing capacity by almost 1,000 lbs. Even if you dump the gear and gas, you are still over. And this is assuming you have no passengers or gear in the Jeep! Start putting people in the Jeep (wife, kids, etc.) and your tow capacity goes down.

Come on... you don't honestly think that a big motor and big brakes are enough to tow that whale, do you?

I towed my VLX with my '12 5.7L Hemi JGC and it was not fun... even though the engine was plenty, the much lighter VLX pulled the Jeep all over the place, despite the 7,200 lb. rating. Just because you can do it on paper (and with the G23 my math proves you can't) doesn't make it a good idea.

How about using the 5400lb weight given by Nautique, that includes all factory options installed. Or 1200 lbs for a tandem axle trailer. Thats a 900lb difference right there. Your math is slanted to attempt proving a point, but thats ok. My tip, if you cant tow your 3700lb vlx with a Hemi JGC on a tandem trailer, slow down. Or learn how to drive when towing a load...
Old     (get_sum)      Join Date: Jun 2012       02-18-2013, 3:04 PM Reply   
My old set up... 2009 GMC crew cab with the little 5.3L.
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Old     (get_sum)      Join Date: Jun 2012       02-18-2013, 3:05 PM Reply   
My new 2012 F-150 with the Ecoboost. It puts the 5.3L to shame!
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Old     (nitrousbird)      Join Date: Sep 2008       02-18-2013, 3:59 PM Reply   
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How about using the 5400lb weight given by Nautique, that includes all factory options installed. Or 1200 lbs for a tandem axle trailer. Thats a 900lb difference right there. Your math is slanted to attempt proving a point, but thats ok. My tip, if you cant tow your 3700lb vlx with a Hemi JGC on a tandem trailer, slow down. Or learn how to drive when towing a load...
Your numbers are also slanted. I HIGHLY doubt the trailer holding a G23 is 1200lbs. The trailer for my 21' Malibu is 1240, and that's with 14" wheels and a shorter trailer. 1400-1500 is more accurate.

And that VLX might be listed @ 3700lbs, but it weighs more than that. That's a dry weight, no tower, no options, and has been proven time and time again to be way under what the boat really weighs. Get a G23 on a scale and find out the REAL numbers.
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-18-2013, 4:04 PM Reply   
Bchound

How do you like your 6.4? Have you had any problems with it and have you deleted all emission stuff. I'm trying to figure out if I want to get a 6.4 or a lmm Duramax for my next truck. I love the way yours looks by the way
Old     (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       02-18-2013, 4:14 PM Reply   
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Your numbers are also slanted. I HIGHLY doubt the trailer holding a G23 is 1200lbs. The trailer for my 21' Malibu is 1240, and that's with 14" wheels and a shorter trailer. 1400-1500 is more accurate.

And that VLX might be listed @ 3700lbs, but it weighs more than that. That's a dry weight, no tower, no options, and has been proven time and time again to be way under what the boat really weighs. Get a G23 on a scale and find out the REAL numbers.
I figured if he could balloon the boats weight by 600lbs, I could drop the trailer weight by 200lbs. Or maybe just ditch some of the gear and only have 3/4 of a tank of fuel...

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Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       02-18-2013, 4:32 PM Reply   
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I figured if he could balloon the boats weight by 600lbs, I could drop the trailer weight by 200lbs, or maybe just ditch someof gear and only have 3/4 of a tank of fuel...
I wasn't intentionally ballooning the weight. I honestly thought it was 5800 not incl. tower. I think i mixed it up with 2800 lbs of ballast.

As far as my Jeep goes, it is not my primary tow vehicle. I only use it in a pinch and only around town (e.g. lower speeds). My point was simply that the boat feels heavy back there with a smaller tow rig.


Look it doesn't matter. I don't even know you or care what you do. If you want to tow the heaviest wake boat on the planet with a midsize suv, knock yourself out. Please post a picture when that ***** is actually yours.
Old     (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       02-18-2013, 4:35 PM Reply   
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I wasn't intentionally ballooning the weight. I honestly thought it was 5800 not incl. tower. I think i mixed it up with 2800 lbs of ballast.

As far as my Jeep goes, it is not my primary tow vehicle. I only use it in a pinch and only around town (e.g. lower speeds). My point was simply that the boat feels heavy back there with a smaller tow rig.


Look it doesn't matter. I don't even know you or care what you do. If you want to tow the heaviest wake boat on the planet with a midsize suv, knock yourself out. Please post a picture when that ***** is actually yours.
I would say your tone and use of expletives signals that you do care.

Carry on with the big rigs!
Old     (Bcbound)      Join Date: Feb 2013       02-18-2013, 5:02 PM Reply   
Blair

6.4 has been good to me. Its all stock, never touched a thing, 90,000km on it.
Old     (supra24ssv)      Join Date: Mar 2006       02-18-2013, 5:18 PM Reply   
pics just do not do these boats justice
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Old     (LightningRon)      Join Date: Apr 2011       02-19-2013, 7:12 AM Reply   
My new rig. 2013 F150 FX4 Ecoboost
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2012 Grand Cherokee Overland Summit & 2012 A22 Vandall!
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Old     (cboom12)      Join Date: Jul 2004       02-19-2013, 8:56 AM Reply   
Ron do you have a leveling kit on your truck? If so what size and what size are your tires? I have the same truck I love the way yours looks. I want to level mine but im planning on keeping the stock rims as ours is a lease.
Old     (LightningRon)      Join Date: Apr 2011       02-19-2013, 9:32 AM Reply   
Yes it's a Zone 2" level on the front. The tires are 295/60/20 Trail Grapplers. With minor trimming I don't have any rubbing.
Old     (cboom12)      Join Date: Jul 2004       02-19-2013, 10:50 AM Reply   
Nice! Looks great thanks for the info
Old     (Bamabonners)      Join Date: Jul 2011       02-19-2013, 5:20 PM Reply   
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How about using the 5400lb weight given by Nautique, that includes all factory options installed. Or 1200 lbs for a tandem axle trailer. Thats a 900lb difference right there. Your math is slanted to attempt proving a point, but thats ok. My tip, if you cant tow your 3700lb vlx with a Hemi JGC on a tandem trailer, slow down. Or learn how to drive when towing a load...
JGC + 5400 piG23 +1200 trailer + 400 for gas + 200 for gear = recipe for an accident. Just because it can pull it, doesn't mean it should be done. That pig of a boat will wag that short wheel base vehicle. Just image when you pass an 18 wheeler how much it is going to push you.

My setup: 2012 23 LSV, 2011 4x4 1500 crew cab silverado with ecoboost hemi stomping 6.2L v8 Argh, Argh, Argh!!!!

Old     (dhill)      Join Date: Aug 2010       02-19-2013, 6:46 PM Reply   
^^^^ very funny
Old     (silvermustang35)      Join Date: Jul 2008       02-20-2013, 5:26 AM Reply   
Traded my 05 1500 Silverado for an 02 F-350 Dually 4x4. Smoked Taillights, Smoked Cablights, LED Tails now, Fiberglass tonneau cover, 4in Exhaust, Cold Air Intake, Programmer, Touchscreen with backup camera. It's come a long way since I first bought it.
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Old     (93rx7)      Join Date: Jan 2010       03-04-2013, 10:44 AM Reply   
new tow vehicle for this year.. can't wait to try and fit it in the driveway at the lakehouse:

Old     (baddogz28)      Join Date: Mar 2013       03-07-2013, 2:30 PM Reply   
Picked both of these up this week... 06 Tahoe Z71 and 00 Moomba Mobius.

Going to keep the truck stock but the boat's getting the treatment. Planning my sounds and cabin LED's kit as we speak.
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Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       03-07-2013, 6:52 PM Reply   
03 esv / 99 230vrs
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Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       03-10-2013, 7:06 PM Reply   
thats a nice looking dodge right there...
Old     (Iceberg)      Join Date: Dec 2011       03-10-2013, 7:18 PM Reply   
He went white.... I went black... and diesel...

Old     (04outback)      Join Date: Jul 2007       03-17-2013, 11:13 AM Reply   
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2012 F150 Ecoboost
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Ah, nothing like Lake Billy Chinook. Nice lookin' Dodge & MB you have got there!
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2003 Chevy 2500
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My Buddies TONKA TOY HAULER

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'09 Sierra Denali 36k miles.
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'09 Sierra Denali 36k miles.
One of my favorite gas trucks, looks great! I love their Denali 2500/3500 with the Duramax and Allison.
Old     (adamp)      Join Date: Mar 2011       03-30-2013, 9:51 PM Reply   
My setup... The camo 4Runner for the little toys...





The 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel for the big toys... (still wish I had a Cummins)

Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       03-30-2013, 11:22 PM Reply   
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My Buddies TONKA TOY HAULER

i'm pretty sure his rig could tow that boat if it was on a unicycle
Old     (phat_in_cincy)      Join Date: May 2003       03-31-2013, 4:42 AM Reply   
Replaced the '04 Powerstroke Excursion with a '12 Ecoboost F150. FX4 with 6.5' bed and max tow package.



LEER tonneau with Thule racks

New trailer due this week!
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Old     (rexlex01)      Join Date: Mar 2010       03-31-2013, 4:54 PM Reply   
Trying to save up enough to get a better truck as we have had some hard times. Not the best looking like many here but she does the job. Oh well, at least I will have more $$ for a way better boat if I just keep the truck.

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Old     (scottb7)      Join Date: Oct 2012       03-31-2013, 5:09 PM Reply   
I tow the 3,900 dry weight plus trailer 2008 nautique super air 210...with the wifes 2001 ml320 which is rate for 5,000 lbs.
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Old     (bwood357)      Join Date: Mar 2013       03-31-2013, 5:12 PM Reply   
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Trying to save up enough to get a better truck as we have had some hard times. Not the best looking like many here but she does the job. Oh well, at least I will have more $$ for a way better boat if I just keep the truck.
drive it till the wheels fall off!!
Old     (delmage171)      Join Date: Mar 2008       03-31-2013, 5:59 PM Reply   
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Replaced the '04 Powerstroke Excursion with a '12 Ecoboost F150. FX4 with 6.5' bed and max tow package.
New trailer due this week!
Impressive blocking of your trailer! Would have been a time consuming process getting the other one out?

What kind of trailer did you buy, hopefully a nice baller tandem with 18" wheels

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Old     (rickB52)      Join Date: Mar 2012       03-31-2013, 6:07 PM Reply   
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Impressive blocking of your trailer! Would have been a time consuming process getting the other one out?

What kind of trailer did you buy, hopefully a nice baller tandem with 18" wheels
I want to know how you will get the new one under with blocks????
Old     (phat_in_cincy)      Join Date: May 2003       03-31-2013, 6:26 PM Reply   
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Impressive blocking of your trailer! Would have been a time consuming process getting the other one out?

What kind of trailer did you buy, hopefully a nice baller tandem with 18" wheels
About 4.5hrs!

BoatMate tandem. Went pretty conservative since the boat kind of presents itself similarly.
Old    kx250frider617            03-31-2013, 7:54 PM Reply   
Its not the nicest truck out there, but it gets the job done pretty good. Truck needs a paint job pretty soon.

Old     (EcoBoost11)      Join Date: Mar 2013       04-02-2013, 10:51 AM Reply   
The normal tow rig, '11 F-150 Eco 91k miles



For my '06 Enzo 230



But for the heck of it, I drug it out of storage for cleaning this weekend with the '12 GC. It pulled just fine but was a little hard getting used to being a 60 mph tow rig as opposed to the balls to wall w/ the truck

Old     (will5150)      Join Date: Oct 2002       04-02-2013, 11:11 AM Reply   
I'd like to see a tutorial on how the heck you got that boat off the trailer, on blocks and back on a new trailer! very impressed! And I assume you don't have a fork lift sitting around??
Old     (EcoBoost11)      Join Date: Mar 2013       04-02-2013, 11:36 AM Reply   
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I'd like to see a tutorial on how the heck you got that boat off the trailer, on blocks and back on a new trailer! very impressed! And I assume you don't have a fork lift sitting around??
Me too!
Old     (kasey200)      Join Date: Aug 2012       04-05-2013, 9:08 AM Reply   
Here's a few pictures of my 2012 Dodge 2500. It looked much better with my old boat than the new one but i really don't care! lol








Old     (Brett_B)      Join Date: Sep 2010       04-05-2013, 1:45 PM Reply   
Lots of nice rigs in here!


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I tow the 3,900 dry weight plus trailer 2008 nautique super air 210...with the wifes 2001 ml320 which is rate for 5,000 lbs.
Please be careful as you are likely exceeding that 5K tow rating by a substantial bit. You should weigh your boat on a trailer to make sure, but I would bet lake ready you are well over 5500lbs total. The dry weights are really not very accurate as they often don't include the tower, stereo, batteries, etc, and of course the trailer. Add fuel and gear and it adds up quickly. My "3700lb dry weight" VLX was 5900lbs without any gear in it when I weighed it.
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Audi A6 3.0 TDI. Bucket loads of torque to no probs towing

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2012 Titan,
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Tundra
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Current truck...Old boat!
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'07 Titan and '13 Sanger V215
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Parents F-150 pulling the 23LSV. Personally, I drive a Silverado!

First post, so apologize if the picture doesn't load correctly!
Old     (pprior)      Join Date: Jan 2012       04-13-2013, 7:56 PM Reply   
I can't believe that audi picture. Looked it up and that thing is rated 4600 lbs towing -not bad for a car, but that thing looks seriously overweighted and light on the front wheels.
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2006 titan
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This is my Denali HD Z71 4x4 with the Duramax.

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headed out last friday
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2001 Dodge Ram Cummins 4x4. 158k, Carli suspension, raptor fuel pump. Not bad for $9300
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