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Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-29-2019, 6:29 AM Reply   
Facepalm by the loony lefties. Not a truther. But 95sn long ago was posting **** about it being an inside job. I too can't wait for this whole thing to be blown wide open so I can listen to you beta cucks go on & on about Trumps FBI spoiled it, it was a technicality. Blah blah blah. feet stop feet stomp.

Here's a list of Democrat's repulsive ideas & why Trump will win in 2020:

Take the guns
Abortion
Global Warming via taxes
Open Borders
Total faith and dependence on government.
Government Healthcare
Government Education
Government Food
More Taxes
Hate Trump, try & try till something sticks for impeachment.

Instead of playing connect the dots, why don't you jack wagons explain why you have all this evidence, it is well known yet no arrest? They were listening in, they know about the meetings. Gosh, it's just too bad the wakeworld boy wonders aren't on the task force, they'd bring this president down with all their inside knowledge....

Last edited by wombat2wombat; 01-29-2019 at 6:32 AM.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       01-29-2019, 10:50 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wombat2wombat View Post
Facepalm by the loony lefties. Not a truther. But 95sn long ago was posting **** about it being an inside job. I too can't wait for this whole thing to be blown wide open so I can listen to you beta cucks go on & on about Trumps FBI spoiled it, it was a technicality. Blah blah blah. feet stop feet stomp.

Here's a list of Democrat's repulsive ideas & why Trump will win in 2020:

Take the guns
Abortion
Global Warming via taxes
Open Borders
Total faith and dependence on government.
Government Healthcare
Government Education
Government Food
More Taxes
Hate Trump, try & try till something sticks for impeachment.

Instead of playing connect the dots, why don't you jack wagons explain why you have all this evidence, it is well known yet no arrest? They were listening in, they know about the meetings. Gosh, it's just too bad the wakeworld boy wonders aren't on the task force, they'd bring this president down with all their inside knowledge....
"No arrest"? Of who? Trump? It won't be long before one of his children is indicted.

Abortion has never won or lost any presidential candidate an election. It's a token to keep the evangelicals in the fold. And the irony of your post. First, you condemn abortion, and then you condemn "Total faith and dependence on government"? This is what I never understand about conservatives. Abortion leads to less people with "dependence on government". It seems to me you guys would, not only be Pro-Choice, but strongly Pro-Abortion. I mean Christ, if you are going to force people to have unwanted children, it seems that you would at least be for the necessary social services.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:06 AM Reply   
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So that is a "Yes" to the question of "are you OK with lying under oath?"
This is why you democrats are dangerous to the country and need to be fought by any means necessary.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:13 AM Reply   
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You seem to be having a difficult time explaining why trump, who is so harsh on Russia, is continuing to do russias bidding. Eliminating sanctions. That would be because he is putins puppet.
When Obama said he would have more flexibility....the Russians did not just get their candidate elected, they had not stolen demo emails and offered them to his campaign as a gift of the Russian govt, facebook ads, tweets, Instagram....him into office. The US intelligence agencys had not found Russia at fault, Obama did not meet in private and confiscate notes, there was not an investigation into obamas campaign, and that investigator had not just indicted 13 Russians, Maria Butina had not just been arrested as a Russian spy funneling $$ thru the NRA, none of obamas campaign managers or advisors had been indicted, his AG was not recused, his atty was not convicted, Obama was not attempting to build Trump Moscow while saying he had "nothing with Russia", none of his cabinet had been asked to testify to congress... and about another 50,60,100 reasons why the 2 are not equivalent. But go ahead keep believing Fox/Hannity/Trump lies, keep winning.
You still do now want to talk about the few times that democrats in congress actively recruited the head of the Soviet Union and wanted to set him up with softball interviews inorder to beat Reagan in an election? Why don't you want to talk about that?

Why don't you want to talk about all the countries that try and influence our laws including your Mexican buddies who actively vote in our election? Last time I seen anything, the Russians are not voting and make up 10% of our population. Anyone can buy advertisements to influence elections including the evil and deranged democrats. They do it every election.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:18 AM Reply   
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Yeah man that is a yawner. Correct me if I am wrong, but the whole FISA case is based on omission of certain facts regarding the origin of the Steele dossier? A dossier which has proven to be mostly right, as it turns out? Wanna talk about a nothing burger... that whole case is a bunch of Devin Nunes horsesh@t.

Stealing $$$ from all of us (Manafort tax fraud) is OK, but an imperfect fisa warrant (with facts which if disclosed were unlikely to have changed the outcome) is a deep state conspiracy.

That’s tinfoil hat stuff man.
Imperfect FISA warrant? This again is where you democrats are as dangerous as any authoritarian regime in history. You are in the early build to authoritarian rule and you don't even miss a beat. warrants created on lies inorder to setup political narratives is banana republic stuff. It is dangerous. Influencing courts by manipulating facts is way, way worse than some idiots in congress trying to set perjury traps. Actually both are dangerous but lying to get a warrant will completely alter the trust of the people in government and should be dealt with in the harshest terms.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:21 AM Reply   
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Like the "red wave" you predicted before the November mid-terms?
Everyone knows the party who holds the president does poorly in the midterms. historical fact. I even called it. Question is, how much can the ruling party hold off the midterm slump. The Republicans did better than the democrats did during obama.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:24 AM Reply   
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You really are a dumbass if you don't think there is "zero evidence" link them to Russia. Where do you think Assange got the hacked emails? The only defense you Trumpsters can claim is that his campaign did all of this without Trump's knowledge.
We dicussed this on this board and even Wes admitted it. Most hacking comes from inside and social contact not from some outside agency knowing exactly where to get the info. That is why the DNC did not let the FBI investigate their servers. How obtuse can people be.

DNC - we were hacked
FBI - by who?
DNC - Trump....eerrr, I mean the Russians.
FBI - Mind if we take a look?
DNC - no, we will look.
FBI - well?
DNC - just like we said. Trump..... errr, I mean the Russians did it.
FBI - good. We will get Agent Page on it right away.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:29 AM Reply   
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A Muslim "in power" bothers me far worse than a hard-line Christian right-winger. The way evangelicals go out of the way to make excuses on how they can continue to back Trump is nauseating.

This whole idea, "My god is better than your god" is comical.
I thought the whole uproar before was you wanted Christians to get out of the morals in government game. Now you want them to have morals when the guy in office has the morals of democrats? I'm beginning to think that you democrats only want to find a fault if the President is a Republican.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 11:41 AM Reply   
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"No arrest"? Of who? Trump? It won't be long before one of his children is indicted.

Abortion has never won or lost any presidential candidate an election. It's a token to keep the evangelicals in the fold. And the irony of your post. First, you condemn abortion, and then you condemn "Total faith and dependence on government"? This is what I never understand about conservatives. Abortion leads to less people with "dependence on government". It seems to me you guys would, not only be Pro-Choice, but strongly Pro-Abortion. I mean Christ, if you are going to force people to have unwanted children, it seems that you would at least be for the necessary social services.
Abortion also keeps the black family in check which is exactly the way you democrats planned it. KKK all the way for you guys.

I am sure you are loving the abortion until the day before the baby is due law that was passed in New York. I bet you loved that the governor wanted the world trade center lit up with a pink lighting to celebrate such a wonderful law. You democrats are sick and disgusting.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       01-29-2019, 11:56 AM Reply   
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This is why you democrats are dangerous to the country and need to be fought by any means necessary.
XD someone needs their meds
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-29-2019, 12:15 PM Reply   
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This is why you democrats are dangerous to the country and need to be fought by any means necessary.
I am rather positive the window to fight them has closed.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-29-2019, 12:58 PM Reply   
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We dicussed this on this board and even Wes admitted it. Most hacking comes from inside and social contact not from some outside agency knowing exactly where to get the info. That is why the DNC did not let the FBI investigate their servers. How obtuse can people be.

DNC - we were hacked
FBI - by who?
DNC - Trump....eerrr, I mean the Russians.
FBI - Mind if we take a look?
DNC - no, we will look.
FBI - well?
DNC - just like we said. Trump..... errr, I mean the Russians did it.
FBI - good. We will get Agent Page on it right away.
Why do you keep pushing this tinfoil hattery, you have already been called on it and shown to be foolish.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:11 PM Reply   
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XD someone needs their meds
Yes. You democrats do need your meds.

- You are the ones out beating people up in the streets. Protesting and burning down cities.

- Shutting down conservative speakers at universities.

- Trying to keep the borders open so you can have poor and uneducated voting for you

- Supporting political agendas including lying to courts in order to try prosecute a sitting president.

- Supporting abortion up until the day before a baby can be born (also includes non doctors being able to perform the abortion)

- Going to try and shut down private healthcare

- Going to give healthcare to illegals in the state of california (actual campaign promise of the governor)

Basically the cloth has dropped. Democrats have gone full murderous socialist.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       01-29-2019, 1:17 PM Reply   
I honestly don't understand how anyone can be for allowing abortions that late in the game. That is sick and should be considered murder.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:25 PM Reply   
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I am rather positive the window to fight them has closed.
Not really. That is their exact rally cry against Republicans. Democrats have taken it to the streets and turned to violence against Republicans. Been doing it for several years now. High school kids when taught politics in high school are now being told by their teachers that Republicans are racists who try and steal from the poor. Just happened to my daughters younger brother in law.

How long before it is turned around? I don't support it, but I understand and will use the same response the democrats have. My response at this point will be they deserved what they got. When the democrats turn to violence and ignoring the laws of the country, it is no big deal to the rank and file democrat. They (Wes) even thinks it is ok for a democrat congress woman to turn the call from the President to a fallen soldiers mother into political mud slinging. The wheels have fallen off the democrat party. At this point, I will accept any means to fighting them because they already have mobilized the effort against regular Americans.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:27 PM Reply   
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I honestly don't understand how anyone can be for allowing abortions that late in the game. That is sick and should be considered murder.
It is not only that they allow it. They actually campaigned for it and then wanted (not confirmed that they did do it) to light up an international symbol of freedom as a symbol that they won something. Sick, sick, sick.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:30 PM Reply   
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Why do you keep pushing this tinfoil hattery, you have already been called on it and shown to be foolish.
show me where I have been called on it and when has it been wrong?

Can you show me in the public record where the democrats allowed the FBI to examine the hard drives? Remember, you guys are the ones living in the tin foil hat club claiming the Russians changed or influenced my vote. Of the two camps, the Russians and the democrat party are extremely well aligned and again (as a matter of public record) the democrats are the ones who asked the Soviets to help take down a sitting US Republican President.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:35 PM Reply   
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I am rather positive the window to fight them has closed.
Besides, fighting comes in many forms.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-29-2019, 1:37 PM Reply   
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show me where I have been called on it and when has it been wrong?



Can you show me in the public record where the democrats allowed the FBI to examine the hard drives? Remember, you guys are the ones living in the tin foil hat club claiming the Russians changed or influenced my vote. Of the two camps, the Russians and the democrat party are extremely well aligned and again (as a matter of public record) the democrats are the ones who asked the Soviets to help take down a sitting US Republican President.


Delta I didn’t know that the entire scope and results of the FBI / counterintelligence investigation WAS a matter of public record. Could you post a link? I’d like to check it out.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:45 PM Reply   
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Delta I didn’t know that the entire scope and results of the FBI / counterintelligence investigation WAS a matter of public record. Could you post a link? I’d like to check it out.
That's interesting and pretty rich because there has been over 2 years of posts on this subject on this post alone and I am pretty sure you guys have all the facts from the same sources that you have been pushing.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 1:48 PM Reply   
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Delta I didn’t know that the entire scope and results of the FBI / counterintelligence investigation WAS a matter of public record. Could you post a link? I’d like to check it out.
BTW. Democrats asking for the Soviets help:

Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/te...l#2928ae6a359a

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...726-story.html

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/when-...pposed-reagan/
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-29-2019, 1:56 PM Reply   
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That's interesting and pretty rich because there has been over 2 years of posts on this subject on this post alone and I am pretty sure you guys have all the facts from the same sources that you have been pushing.


So you think Mueller’s indictment of the hackers is (a) bogus and (b) all part of the socialist conspiracy?

How did the dems compromise Mueller personally, to get them to do their socialist bidding?

I was at a politburo meeting that night learning how to stab whitey and burn tires, so I might have missed your analysis.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-29-2019, 1:58 PM Reply   
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You mean someone was wrong once? Or are you suggesting Ted Kennedy hacked the dnc from the grave?

I mean Thomas Jefferson had slaves but I still like the Declaration of Independence. People are complicated.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 2:22 PM Reply   
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So you think Mueller’s indictment of the hackers is (a) bogus and (b) all part of the socialist conspiracy?

How did the dems compromise Mueller personally, to get them to do their socialist bidding?

I was at a politburo meeting that night learning how to stab whitey and burn tires, so I might have missed your analysis.
I absolutely believe that the probe was set up by democrats to set up a political narrative. 100% believe it. The democrats did not have to set up Mueller. They only had to set up the narrative and get the probe in place. We are starting to find out the dates and who and when talked to Steele are falling apart. Those details are actually part of the public record that was just reported on and guess, what. Some of those details went through the fired and now under criminal investigation Page.

Mueller is just moving through any thread that he is presented. It is just part of the job. Get a few of the Trump people in front of congress or in a sworn statement then go through the records of anything they have ever said or done and look for perjury traps. The government has unlimited resources to get you on a perjury trap. They always say show me the person and I can make the crime. That is the danger of weaponized justice system. The same system that you democrats used to have great skepticism of. Now you love it because it is validating your daily hate.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 2:25 PM Reply   
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You mean someone was wrong once? Or are you suggesting Ted Kennedy hacked the dnc from the grave?

I mean Thomas Jefferson had slaves but I still like the Declaration of Independence. People are complicated.
Not wrong. The democrat party in my life time was working with the Soviets. You know. The ones where we fought several defacto wars against (only 10 years removed from vietnam) and directly in the middle of the Iran and Iraq wars where we both had a side. You know the Soviets that stole our nuclear bomb designs during WW2 and were in the middle of a cold war with. They same Soviets that had half the population of Germany as hostiages behind the wall.

That is not a mistake. That is an ideological meeting of the minds.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 2:31 PM Reply   
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So you think Mueller’s indictment of the hackers is (a) bogus and (b) all part of the socialist conspiracy?

How did the dems compromise Mueller personally, to get them to do their socialist bidding?

I was at a politburo meeting that night learning how to stab whitey and burn tires, so I might have missed your analysis.
And, what if the Russians hacked the DNC? What difference does that make? Every country in the world tries to buy America's support. They do it in Hollywood every single day. How many foreign owned car commercials do we see during a foot ball game? You don't think that money does not influence people's opinion away from American and to another country?

Do you really think the Russians caused fly over America to hate Clinton or was it her words, policies from the previous 8 years, Obama running the globe saying he is sorry for America, etc? Are you guys really that simplistic or is it the simple fact you don't like Republicans and you will say and do anything you can to get them out of public life?

The Chinese just stole all the Clearance information of nearly every American government sponsored worker a few years ago from the Office of Personnel Management. Don't hear you guys screaming about that. Actually we do hear you screaming about that. You are screaming that Trump is putting the screws to them.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-29-2019, 2:38 PM Reply   
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And, what if the Russians hacked the DNC? What difference does that make? Every country in the world tries to buy America's support. They do it in Hollywood every single day. How many foreign owned car commercials do we see during a foot ball game? You don't think that money does not influence people's opinion away from American and to another country?



Do you really think the Russians caused fly over America to hate Clinton or was it her words, policies from the previous 8 years, Obama running the globe saying he is sorry for America, etc? Are you guys really that simplistic or is it the simple fact you don't like Republicans and you will say and do anything you can to get them out of public life?



The Chinese just stole all the Clearance information of nearly every American government sponsored worker a few years ago from the Office of Personnel Management. Don't hear you guys screaming about that. Actually we do hear you screaming about that. You are screaming that Trump is putting the screws to them.

So if I am following you, the Russians didn’t actually do it and it’s a deep state conspiracy of socialist forces who want to beat red blooded flag waving Americans in the streets, but even if the Russians actually did do it, you don’t really care about foreign interference as long as it benefits your guy?

You don’t worry about the precedent it sets?

There’s so much “yeah but what about”ism in your posts I’m really trying to figure out whether there is a principle you stand for. Could Trump do ANYTHING that would go to far, if it were in advancement of his agenda?

For instance, national emergency declaration OK?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       01-29-2019, 3:19 PM Reply   
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I absolutely believe that the probe was set up by democrats to set up a political narrative. 100% believe it. The democrats did not have to set up Mueller. They only had to set up the narrative and get the probe in place. We are starting to find out the dates and who and when talked to Steele are falling apart. Those details are actually part of the public record that was just reported on and guess, what. Some of those details went through the fired and now under criminal investigation Page.

Mueller is just moving through any thread that he is presented. It is just part of the job. Get a few of the Trump people in front of congress or in a sworn statement then go through the records of anything they have ever said or done and look for perjury traps. The government has unlimited resources to get you on a perjury trap. They always say show me the person and I can make the crime. That is the danger of weaponized justice system. The same system that you democrats used to have great skepticism of. Now you love it because it is validating your daily hate.
What the hell is a "perjury trap"? Is that you making excuses for guys that lied under oath? You mean Mueller forced them to lie under oath? You cannot be serious with this stuff. It sounds like you are trying to deny something that is standing right in your face.

Mueller has dozens of indictments and convictions. The GOP has a former FBI agent that sent some disparaging texts about Trump to his side chick.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 3:29 PM Reply   
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So if I am following you, the Russians didn’t actually do it and it’s a deep state conspiracy of socialist forces who want to beat red blooded flag waving Americans in the streets, but even if the Russians actually did do it, you don’t really care about foreign interference as long as it benefits your guy?

You don’t worry about the precedent it sets?

There’s so much “yeah but what about”ism in your posts I’m really trying to figure out whether there is a principle you stand for. Could Trump do ANYTHING that would go to far, if it were in advancement of his agenda?

For instance, national emergency declaration OK?
Love how you twist when the conversation is not going your way.

Hate to tell you but your democrat friends (don't say socialist anymore because you are one in the same) have been beating up red blooded Americans in the streets for a few years now. Apparently you have purged your memory of the very topics on this thread alone.

Can you tell me how Russian interference benefited Ben Carson or Ted Cruz? Those were my guys. More of Cruz than Carson.

I bet you believe the Russians benefited Turmp? Is that what this is about? How did the Russians help Trump? Was it Trump that had emails illegally on a non classifed server or was it Clinton? Was it the known Trump hater Comey that helped Trump or did he have to act on the very public knowledge of Clinton's server that if you or I had that kind of information on, we would be in prison right now with another 10 years to go. You better believe it. You don't seem to give one rats a$$ about the dangerous presidence that sends!

You realize that emails on a non secure server are basically being asked to be hacked right? Can you tell me where all of Clinton's money came from? Was it all domestic? Can you tell me where hollywoods money comes from? That certainly is not domestic and hollywood is 99% against Republicans (Trump or anyone else) where they put out almost daily content attacking Republicans from fly over states.

Isn't your whole Trump thing about whataboutisms? That is really the whole point of your outrage? Other countries influencing our elections is pretty common knowledge except to democrats apparently even though it is democrat hollywood that likes to right the movies about America influencing elections. Of course like I just proved to you, democrats were actually on record in our lifetime asking our mortal enemies to help defeat a sitting Republican President.

Trump is not democrat so the only logical reason a democrat did not win is because of some outside force. God you people are so narrow of view. It really makes me sad that it takes your brainwashing leaders to make you think that outside interference is new. You ask if I am ok with the precedent of it? No I am not ok with it,but the democrats want us to merge with the rest of the world through open borders and taxation so why are you not ok with it? I am not ok with it however I also know that H20 is a wet so I have learned it is what it is. I certainly just did not open my eyes and act like this is a new thing.

Outside forces have been interfering with every GD election we have ever had. Now you act like, OMG, the russians. You let Mexicans in every freaking day and we have millions of them who they and their high birth rate or children who are loyal to Mexico that vote in our elections every cycle. But no. OMG, the emails, the emails.

As far as Trump and his agenda? What has he done to go too far? Back out of those one world treaties that I have been railing against for the last decade on this very website? Say it ain't so!!!

Try and reformat the NAFTA treaty that I have been complaining about on this website for over a decade? Not that!!!!

Try and get rid of Obamacare? I hope he does not change that. I love that one? Oops. I don't love it. It is the democrats (Socialists) who love obamacare.

Reversing 2 regulations for every 1 passed. Another winner.

Gutting the EPA? Love it. Don't want people to lose a paycheck, but that agency was a unelected power grab.

Still trying to figure out where he is going too far? Syria and Afgahnistan? Pulling out of those rat holes? I was against both of those wars but understood Afgahnistan. I understand Afgan a bit. Still no strategic reason to be there a far as I can tell. So he is acting like a democrat (socialist) because the real democrats were for all the wars until they turned the party over to the socialists.

I guess that leads us to your bridge too far. National emergency declaration. You mean to stop the flow of your much needed voting block in order to stay in power? The same block of people that I have been warning you about on this very board since 2002? The one I could see changing the political landscape in California since the 90's. That bridge? You think Pelosi won? Trump is giving her the rope. He is going to declare it and the Democrats (socialists) have given him the clout to do it. He already set up the narrative. Not sure if it will be the right thing to do, but this issue is huge. The national republicans have been trying to stop illegal immigration this as long as I have been alive. When you have one party (the democratic socialists), unwilling to stop the influx due to their large support in the polls from an outside countries citizens. What do you think the next logical thing to do is when the country is a stake?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 3:45 PM Reply   
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What the hell is a "perjury trap"? Is that you making excuses for guys that lied under oath? You mean Mueller forced them to lie under oath? You cannot be serious with this stuff. It sounds like you are trying to deny something that is standing right in your face.

Mueller has dozens of indictments and convictions. The GOP has a former FBI agent that sent some disparaging texts about Trump to his side chick.
You are a smart guy. You look it up.

They don't have to make you lie. They ask you hundreds of questions especially from hostial interviewers that already know the answer. You answer something different the many months or years removed from the original event and they send you to jail. They have the option to make you correct the record without jail but they are trying to put pressure on Trump so they seek jail on the others. Sure they lied by the very definition. Throw them in jail if you want. Just wait until it comes back around and it will. The democrats (socialists) have set off a very dangerous game.

I guess you are very naive about the justice system or you want to use it like your authoritarian party wants.

I laugh at your supposed GOP has a FBI agent with a side chick. The side chick was part of the investigation team. Both were on Muellers team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.9edcf56548dd

BuzzFeed’s stumble is highest-profile misstep at a time when press is under greatest scrutiny
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-29-2019, 3:55 PM Reply   
Delta you are on fire today bro. I cannot compete with your verbosity with my two widdle thumbs.

I am laughing at Hillary and Ted Kennedy tho. Good stuff man! You’ve got this whataboutism stuff on lock. Keep it coming! You keep us all on our game and it’s way more fun to engage with you than with the usual suspects here.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       01-29-2019, 3:57 PM Reply   
Seriously, watch out Delta - Mark is gonna come on and chastise you for all the time you're stealing from your employer.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 4:03 PM Reply   
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Seriously, watch out Delta - Mark is gonna come on and chastise you for all the time you're stealing from your employer.
Lucky for me, I get time off. Nothing like 24/7 ops.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 4:04 PM Reply   
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Delta you are on fire today bro. I cannot compete with your verbosity with my two widdle thumbs.

I am laughing at Hillary and Ted Kennedy tho. Good stuff man! You’ve got this whataboutism stuff on lock. Keep it coming! You keep us all on our game and it’s way more fun to engage with you than with the usual suspects here.
this is what happens when I don't have time and have to catch up after a week.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       01-29-2019, 4:17 PM Reply   
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You are a smart guy. You look it up.

They don't have to make you lie. They ask you hundreds of questions especially from hostial interviewers that already know the answer. You answer something different the many months or years removed from the original event and they send you to jail. They have the option to make you correct the record without jail but they are trying to put pressure on Trump so they seek jail on the others. Sure they lied by the very definition. Throw them in jail if you want. Just wait until it comes back around and it will. The democrats (socialists) have set off a very dangerous game.

I guess you are very naive about the justice system or you want to use it like your authoritarian party wants.

I laugh at your supposed GOP has a FBI agent with a side chick. The side chick was part of the investigation team. Both were on Muellers team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.9edcf56548dd

BuzzFeed’s stumble is highest-profile misstep at a time when press is under greatest scrutiny
Look man. If a prosecutor asks me 5 million times if I had contact with Julian Assange and I did, the answer will always be yes. The questions mentioned in Stone's indictment are pretty cut and dry. There is no way to answer them in a untruthful way by accident.

Look we have all heard Guiliani's take on Mueller's investigation. None of us need you to parrot his thoughts.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 4:44 PM Reply   
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Look man. If a prosecutor asks me 5 million times if I had contact with Julian Assange and I did, the answer will always be yes. The questions mentioned in Stone's indictment are pretty cut and dry. There is no way to answer them in a untruthful way by accident.

Look we have all heard Guiliani's take on Mueller's investigation. None of us need you to parrot his thoughts.
I haven't seen a thing by Guiliani because I think this whole thing is a bunch of BS dangerous politics that is going to eventually lead to civil war. Do you really think that a person would answer a question know full well that a FBI or congressional committee is wanting to and has made examples over everyone in the case. The question was not straight forward to the person or he would have kept it straight. Why would he want to go to jail?

Of all these "convictions" ( I call them political head hunting that if not for a political angle these people would either get to correct the record or pay a fine like most other people), not a single one is about helping the Russians.

You do realized that much of these little laws around you actually written into them that you could receive considerable jail time if convicted, but they usually just fine you right? How would you like if it your local DA/ judge decided to make and example of you?

https://money.cnn.com/2015/04/09/pf/...ail/index.html

arrest warrants have been asked for the following:

Cursing in public. Playing music too loud. Rollerblading. Parking too far from the curb. Leaving old appliances in the yard. These are just some of the surprising "crimes" that CNNMoney found in databases of arrest warrants from cities and counties across the country.

Skipping school

Frank Ward, from Baytown, Texas, says his grandsons were threatened with arrest after missing too many days of high school.

In Texas, missing 10 or more days of classes over a six-month period, or three days in four weeks, can result in adult criminal proceedings. While this offense is typically resolved by paying a fine of up to $500 (plus court costs), arrest warrants can be issued for those who fail to pay.

Catching an out-of-season fish

Unemployed and strapped for cash, Ionia, Michigan resident Kyle Dewitt was out fishing for dinner for his family in 2011 when he got slapped with a ticket. The offense: the then-19-year-old caught a type of bass that was off-limits during that time of year.

Dewitt disputed the citation with the officer to no avail and says he was later told that he would get information in the mail telling him how to pay the $115 fine. A few months went by and he still hadn't received anything, so he called to ask about it -- only to find out a warrant had been issued for his arrest.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-29-2019, 5:07 PM Reply   
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Besides, weren't you one of the ones on this thread complaining about Trump pulling out of Syria? Isn't that one of those money and life saving decisions that are more isolationist?
No.

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I'm with Trump on this one, I think the states should withdraw from foriegn conflicts. I think short term it will cause issues due to the poor management of the withdrawal but long term it's the right call. I just hope the Turks don't slaughter the kurds.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-29-2019, 5:08 PM Reply   
Damn, Delta thats some great conspiracy theory stuff. You must stay up late. I wanted to touch on a few of your "ideas" but there is just too much.
I was hoping you were going to explain why the grifter is still putins puppet, nope. Why trump removed the russian sanctions even before Manaforts sentencing or at all. And refuses to begin the new sanctions congress voted for 30 days ago?
Why the grifter was explaining how Russia was right about attacking Afghanistan a decade ago...out of the blue.
Why do you care where Clinton money came from if you dont care where trump money comes from? No American bank will finance him, but the Russian banks have for years.
You know why Hispanics vote democrat? Its because everything republicans do is anti Hispanic. If your party changes for the better, it attracts voters. Same with the black vote. Do the math, there will never be a time when there are more white people, you need to make more new friends. or live life angry and bitter.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-29-2019, 5:23 PM Reply   
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show me where I have been called on it and when has it been wrong?

Can you show me in the public record where the democrats allowed the FBI to examine the hard drives? Remember, you guys are the ones living in the tin foil hat club claiming the Russians changed or influenced my vote. Of the two camps, the Russians and the democrat party are extremely well aligned and again (as a matter of public record) the democrats are the ones who asked the Soviets to help take down a sitting US Republican President.
Fine, here you go

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The Russians did not hack the DNC. The DNC said the russians hacked them. Not the FBI.

The illegal FISA warrants were signed by judges who believed they were offered the truth in order to get them to sign.
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Is that a typo, you typed DNC when you should have typed DHS.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/...ector-national

Really you should not take your news from Faux or Trumps twitter feed.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 5:56 PM Reply   
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Damn, Delta thats some great conspiracy theory stuff. You must stay up late. I wanted to touch on a few of your "ideas" but there is just too much.
I was hoping you were going to explain why the grifter is still putins puppet, nope. Why trump removed the russian sanctions even before Manaforts sentencing or at all. And refuses to begin the new sanctions congress voted for 30 days ago?
Why the grifter was explaining how Russia was right about attacking Afghanistan a decade ago...out of the blue.
Why do you care where Clinton money came from if you dont care where trump money comes from? No American bank will finance him, but the Russian banks have for years.
You know why Hispanics vote democrat? Its because everything republicans do is anti Hispanic. If your party changes for the better, it attracts voters. Same with the black vote. Do the math, there will never be a time when there are more white people, you need to make more new friends. or live life angry and bitter.
You can't prove a negative. You still have not spoke about Obama being Putins puppet and gave him everything he wanted in Syria and Ukraine. Also explain the hot mike about saying he would have more flexibility after the election. You certainly did not care then.

I love how you learned a new word "Grifter" from a foreigner who is trying to mettle in American affairs (Ralph) and now have to use it in every post.

You know Russia did not attack Afganistan a decade ago right? That was in the 80's. maybe even late 70's.

A president has the right to enact foreign policy. Again you were not saying Obama was Putin's puppet when he was giving him what he wanted. Why is it a big deal now? How about a some consistent outrage. Hate to think you outrage is not fake.

You really think that American banks do not finance Trump? Do you know all the banks? Have you being doing the books? Do you even understand anything about international business? If someone wants to pay enough interest, any bank will do business. Also, it is not illegal to do business with a Russian bank. Clinton was doing business with thr Russians.

The American government has been sending people for years to work in Russia and have contracts to buy their enriched uranium since the 1990's. They also shoot our guys into space since the space program was shut down by Obama himself which left the Russians the only game in town for NASA to use. You want to know who is Putin's puppet? I don't think I would protest to much because you sound pretty naive about this stuff.

Hispanics vote democrat because they know the democrats don't care about the border. blacks and hispanics vote democrat because the democrats switched in the 60's from outright opposition racism to government sponsored racism in the name of special rights. Give them just enough to keep them voting but not enough to make a difference. Keep them hooked on the government. No one likes the person at the party that takes the keys away from the drunks and makes the uninvited guests leave the property. You will always be the most popular person if you give away things and have no rules. I have enough friends and grew up in a black household from the most part. I have a part son in law as well. He is not one of the la Raza types that you seem to support. I don't hate anyone but there is a difference between good policy and bad policy. There is a difference between right and wrong.

On your comment about not going to be more white people in the country than brown people. How do you suppose that has happened in the world without a major war? An invasion? Now you know why the border needs to be shut.

On a slightly different tilt. Can you show me one hispanic ruled country in the world that is more successful than the USA or Western European countries like France, England, and Germany? What about African countries. Any of those? Are people trying to leave Western Europe for Africa and hispanic countries? Are said countries trying to get into America? According to you, they are trying to get here due to the demographic shifts. Why is that and why in heck would we want them to bring their customs and versions of government to our country in enough mass to vote for their way of life?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 5:59 PM Reply   
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Fine, here you go
Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State said that Bengazi attacks were directly caused by a Youtube video by a person living in the US and had him arrested. At the end of the day, the the DNC still did not allow the FBI to scan their servers for the attack. They let their people tell the FBI who did it. Of course the government is going to report what they want on the matter. Just like the poor sap who got arrested for the governments lie.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       01-29-2019, 6:00 PM Reply   
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Damn, Delta thats some great conspiracy theory stuff. You must stay up late. I wanted to touch on a few of your "ideas" but there is just too much.
I was hoping you were going to explain why the grifter is still putins puppet, nope. Why trump removed the russian sanctions even before Manaforts sentencing or at all. And refuses to begin the new sanctions congress voted for 30 days ago?
Why the grifter was explaining how Russia was right about attacking Afghanistan a decade ago...out of the blue.
Why do you care where Clinton money came from if you dont care where trump money comes from? No American bank will finance him, but the Russian banks have for years.
You know why Hispanics vote democrat? Its because everything republicans do is anti Hispanic. If your party changes for the better, it attracts voters. Same with the black vote. Do the math, there will never be a time when there are more white people, you need to make more new friends. or live life angry and bitter.
Oh, btw. A Republican was the only president to give illegals immunity and made them citizens. Still did not change the behavior. It made it worse.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-29-2019, 7:10 PM Reply   
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At the end of the day, the the DNC still did not allow the FBI to scan their servers for the attack. They let their people tell the FBI who did it. Of course the government is going to report what they want on the matter
No that's more tin hattery. FBI didn't get the physical server but they had access and analysis of the content of the server digitally.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ess-dnc-serve/

And so it's clear in your mind:
The Russians did not hack the DNC. The DNC said the russians hacked them. Not the FBI.*
and a Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security explicity stating they are confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. Sit side by side no problem.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-29-2019, 11:28 PM Reply   
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Lucky for me, I get time off. Nothing like 24/7 ops.
Lol. That was priceless. IN YOUR FACE, WES!!!
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-29-2019, 11:30 PM Reply   
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Seriously, watch out Delta - Mark is gonna come on and chastise you for all the time you're stealing from your employer.
May your proctologist be a trombonist.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-30-2019, 12:00 AM Reply   
I love it when Delta lines you libtards on WW up to be served. One by one, every one of you losers get your rear ends handed to you. I have mad respect for someone like Delta who makes the time to educate himself on the topics. (Still jealous of that free time) Plus, he has a good historical memory. Kudos, Rod!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       01-30-2019, 12:08 AM Reply   
riiiiiiiiight
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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       01-30-2019, 12:55 AM Reply   
Putin's oligarchs funneled millions to Mcconnel and Lindsey Graham among others.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...-gop-campaigns
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 3:05 AM Reply   
I don't understand Peso's stupidity. But I deeply admire his commitment to it
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       01-30-2019, 4:43 AM Reply   
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I haven't seen a thing by Guiliani because I think this whole thing is a bunch of BS dangerous politics that is going to eventually lead to civil war. Do you really think that a person would answer a question know full well that a FBI or congressional committee is wanting to and has made examples over everyone in the case. The question was not straight forward to the person or he would have kept it straight. Why would he want to go to jail?

Of all these "convictions" ( I call them political head hunting that if not for a political angle these people would either get to correct the record or pay a fine like most other people), not a single one is about helping the Russians.

You do realized that much of these little laws around you actually written into them that you could receive considerable jail time if convicted, but they usually just fine you right? How would you like if it your local DA/ judge decided to make and example of you?

https://money.cnn.com/2015/04/09/pf/...ail/index.html

arrest warrants have been asked for the following:

Cursing in public. Playing music too loud. Rollerblading. Parking too far from the curb. Leaving old appliances in the yard. These are just some of the surprising "crimes" that CNNMoney found in databases of arrest warrants from cities and counties across the country.

Skipping school

Frank Ward, from Baytown, Texas, says his grandsons were threatened with arrest after missing too many days of high school.

In Texas, missing 10 or more days of classes over a six-month period, or three days in four weeks, can result in adult criminal proceedings. While this offense is typically resolved by paying a fine of up to $500 (plus court costs), arrest warrants can be issued for those who fail to pay.

Catching an out-of-season fish

Unemployed and strapped for cash, Ionia, Michigan resident Kyle Dewitt was out fishing for dinner for his family in 2011 when he got slapped with a ticket. The offense: the then-19-year-old caught a type of bass that was off-limits during that time of year.

Dewitt disputed the citation with the officer to no avail and says he was later told that he would get information in the mail telling him how to pay the $115 fine. A few months went by and he still hadn't received anything, so he called to ask about it -- only to find out a warrant had been issued for his arrest.
Delta, was does any of this have to do with the indictments that are coming from Mueller? I would say everyone of the people charged are smart enough to know that perjury, lying to investigators, and tax evasion are all crimes. You act as though they are being charged with obscure crimes. This is nonsense.

Maybe you would be less compassionate about Mr. Dewitt if he shot and killed a bald eagle to have as his next meal. I would say most states have similar laws. In TN, they can arrest you for fishing without a license and they can arrest you for not releasing fish that don't meet harvesting requirements. The guy committed a crime no different that if a starving man walks into a store and steals a loaf of bread. While maybe they deserve some sympathy, a crime was committed, nonetheless.

Again, it's pretty cut and dry that Stone lied to Congress. Unlike Mr. Dewitt, Stone was advised that he was testifying under oath and lying is a crime.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       01-30-2019, 4:53 AM Reply   
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I love it when Delta lines you libtards on WW up to be served. One by one, every one of you losers get your rear ends handed to you. I have mad respect for someone like Delta who makes the time to educate himself on the topics. (Still jealous of that free time) Plus, he has a good historical memory. Kudos, Rod!
If you call bringing up irrelevant points and refusing to answer direct questions "getting your rear ends handed to you", I guess. Here's the thing about Delta. We will wade through his BS and break apart any argument he uses. I used to respect Delta and the way he could counter-argue. Then he disappears for a few years and comes back with a brain that has be reprogrammed by Team MAGA. His arguments are now borderline psycho and he has shifted towards the Alex Jones/Infowars end of the spectrum. He has advocated for violence against the democratic party. So you want to hurt someone because they support a different party, all the while presenting himself as a follower of Jesus Christ? Hypocrisy at its finest. He will get pissed again, take his toys and run. Of course, then I'm sure you will come up with some excuse and still proclaim him to be the greatest. I will say that compared to you, Grant, Dennis, or Wombat, he does still resemble a someone sane and intelligent person. Hell, a person in a vegetative state has more reasoning skills than you and Grant.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-30-2019, 6:52 AM Reply   
I sorta feel like there ought to be a corollary to Godwin's Law for citing to Hillary. Guys, she lost and is irrelevant. Hillary didn't make Trump make up a fake story to explain the Trump tower meeting. Hillary didn't appoint Scott Pruitt as head of EPA, Ryan Zinke as Secretary of the Interior, or the Mooch as communications director. Hillary didn't disable Trump's spellcheck. Hillary didn't force Trump to shut down the government for nothing. Hillary certainly didn't force Trump to crank the national debt to 11.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 7:09 AM Reply   
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I sorta feel like there ought to be a corollary to Godwin's Law for citing to Hillary. Guys, she lost and is irrelevant. Hillary didn't make Trump make up a fake story to explain the Trump tower meeting. Hillary didn't appoint Scott Pruitt as head of EPA, Ryan Zinke as Secretary of the Interior, or the Mooch as communications director. Hillary didn't disable Trump's spellcheck. Hillary didn't force Trump to shut down the government for nothing. Hillary certainly didn't force Trump to crank the national debt to 11.
So you're perfectly okay with her not being investigated properly even though the charges are serious enough to warrant it? Because she's no longer running for president? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. If McCabe & his ilk are under investigation, you can bet it'll roll downhill. And Huber is re-investigating the matter as well, we will see how the liberal tune changes when the results aren't what you like. If Trump would have destroyed evidence, bleached bit his devices, refused to turn over the DNC server you lunatics would be ranting on a whole new level. But since it was your guy, it's okay. Because for the common good or whatever you people believe.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 8:11 AM Reply   
Shawndoggy underestimates the power Hillary has over Trumpturds.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-30-2019, 8:32 AM Reply   
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If Trump would have...

Trump’s actual superpower is that he could do all of that stuff and more and all of us would forget about it by next week because we would be on to the next insane chapter.

At least twice a month we get revelations of a Trump scandal that would’ve brought down any other president. But he has conditioned us to just wait and see what the next round has to offer, because it’s gonna be even crazier.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 8:54 AM Reply   
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Trump’s actual superpower is that he could do all of that stuff and more and all of us would forget about it by next week because we would be on to the next insane chapter.

At least twice a month we get revelations of a Trump scandal that would’ve brought down any other president. But he has conditioned us to just wait and see what the next round has to offer, because it’s gonna be even crazier.
So it's a yes you're okay with all of it as long as it's your team, got it.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 8:58 AM Reply   
It still amazes me that many haven't come to terms with why Trump was elected in the first place.
ALL of the people that I know , who voted for Trump, me included, did so as a rebellion to corrupt politicians and politics as usual.
The Clintons being at or near the top of that list.
I'm hoping that the process is more careful to elect some really good people next time around. But Pelosi getting the speaker nod again, shows me that nothing has been learned
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 9:07 AM Reply   
It used to amaze me that anyone would think a self aggrandizing conspicuous liar would be the right guy to get rid of corrupt politicians. But I've learned to not underestimate the stupidity of the voter.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 9:12 AM Reply   
the options were limited. Trump was not my choice, but anyone but Hillary.

It also amazes me that many thought that forced healthcare would solve the woes of that industry, but many did

and I stand by my comments....they all lie and are corrupt. Career politicians are just better at it
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 9:18 AM Reply   
and I think that you miss the point. It's not Trump that will help clean up the mess in DC, it's the processes that should come into play as a result of Trump.

Hopefully accountability will increase on both sides of the isle

I'm also hopeful that the media's extreme bias has become so front and center that all can see it.....but it's not looking that way
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 9:27 AM Reply   
This entire thread, 13,600 posts can be summed up in one post: Everyone is just fine with lies, corruption, pork, crime, Government intrusion, blatant crimes, cover ups as long as it's all done by who they support.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 9:40 AM Reply   
sadly seems to be the case wombat
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 9:42 AM Reply   
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and I think that you miss the point. It's not Trump that will help clean up the mess in DC, it's the processes that should come into play as a result of Trump.
I doubt that I missed the point. The point being that Trumpturds think the path to great govt is by sabotaging what govt we have in hopes that their nebulous vision of something else will rise from the ashes.

Nobody was trying to solve the woes of the HC industry. The ACA was about expanding coverage to people who couldn't afford HC/HI. The HC industry is doing just fine with all that govt influence and no cost controls. Who doesn't want the govt throwing money at them, and how is that a woe?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-30-2019, 9:45 AM Reply   
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This entire thread, 13,600 posts can be summed up in one post: Everyone is just fine with lies, corruption, pork, crime, Government intrusion, blatant crimes, cover ups as long as it's all done by who they support.


Maybe there is another side to that coin? That we should stop expecting the next guy to be the savior and stop completely vilifying the “other” side. No humans are perfect.

That said, for me, I find Trumps presentation to be so off putting (for instance today’s tweets attacking his own national security team for very mildly undercutting Trumps most grandiose foreign policy claims) that even if he did do something right, I’d have a hard time giving him much personal credit for it.

I give no benefit of the doubt to this guy, which, I guess, is a lot like what many of you did with Obama, even when he managed to do something right.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 9:54 AM Reply   
fly, the reason that he got elected is to get away from politics as usual. Turns out, he won't be able to help much with that. The masses will go back to career politicians and nothing will change.
the health industry isn't doing fine. The spread the wealth mantra seems to be though.
so much to say....ugh
the answer to affordable HC isn't to have me pay for yours
the answer to the affordable living, isn't a $15/hour min.
the answer to cleaning up Washington isn't more career politicians
the answer to jumping across the wake, isn't a bigger wake....
blah blah blah

We will never agree
I'm okay with that
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 9:58 AM Reply   
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I’d have a hard time giving him much personal credit for it.
No credit is deserved when you throw a bunch of darts at a dartboard and you get a random bullseye at the expense of the all the people hurt by the wildly off target throws.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-30-2019, 10:03 AM Reply   
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the answer to the affordable living, isn't a $15/hour min.

What IS the answer?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 10:05 AM Reply   
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the answer to affordable HC isn't to have me pay for yours
the answer to the affordable living, isn't a $15/hour min.
the answer to cleaning up Washington isn't more career politicians
the answer to jumping across the wake, isn't a bigger wake....
Exhibit A of how to have a nebulous vision of great govt. List all the non-answers to problems w/o a hint as to the solutions.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-30-2019, 10:10 AM Reply   
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So you're perfectly okay with her not being investigated properly even though the charges are serious enough to warrant it? Because she's no longer running for president? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. If McCabe & his ilk are under investigation, you can bet it'll roll downhill. And Huber is re-investigating the matter as well, we will see how the liberal tune changes when the results aren't what you like. If Trump would have destroyed evidence, bleached bit his devices, refused to turn over the DNC server you lunatics would be ranting on a whole new level. But since it was your guy, it's okay. Because for the common good or whatever you people believe.
More tinfoil hattery, She was investigated properly, the reopening of the investigation probably cost her the election. But whatever, I would be so happy if that revolting goblin did time but the question is why isn't she being investigated? Trump runs the show, why is he protecting her in your mind?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-30-2019, 10:16 AM Reply   
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What IS the answer?
It certainly isn't an average income of 30k per year. Average. That's right half of the workers earn less than 30k per year. How would you propose to grow a comsumption economy when more than half of the workers live pay check to pay check? With debt, lots and lots of debt, 21.9T and counting. Income inequality will end up crashing the economy permanently.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 11:02 AM Reply   
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More tinfoil hattery, She was investigated properly, the reopening of the investigation probably cost her the election. But whatever, I would be so happy if that revolting goblin did time but the question is why isn't she being investigated? Trump runs the show, why is he protecting her in your mind?
It isn't tin foil hat when we know for a fact the IG, John Huber is most deff re-investigating all of it, including the FBI. What comes of it? Time will tell, but there are real things going on that isn't being broadcasted & would never have been started if there wasn't more to it. Again I say, keep your eyes on the big bright flashy stuff.

Like I keep stating, you only know & believe what you want & dismiss everything you don't like. It's human nature & everyone does with more than just politics.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       01-30-2019, 11:42 AM Reply   
Buttery males!
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-30-2019, 1:23 PM Reply   
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Time will tell, but there are real things going on that isn't being broadcasted & would never have been started if there wasn't more to it
Its called the Mueller Investigation. He has what zero leaks so far? Zero TV appearances. Zero

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A president has the right to enact foreign policy. Again you were not saying Obama was Putin's puppet when he was giving him what he wanted. Why is it a big deal now? How about a some consistent outrage. Hate to think you outrage is not fake.
I have answered this before, several times. Its a big deal now because Russia is attacking out democratic elections. They were not doing the same or it was unknown if they were during previous administrations.

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You really think that American banks do not finance Trump? Do you know all the banks? Have you being doing the books? Do you even understand anything about international business? If someone wants to pay enough interest, any bank will do business. Also, it is not illegal to do business with a Russian bank. Clinton was doing business with thr Russians.
I know that by the time you hit #4 or 5 on BK's that yes, American banks do not want to finance you anymore. Not saying it is illegal, it looks bad when you keep saying "I have nothing with Russia", (except all that $$ I owe them) and you are lying about it. Why would he lie? Why would Russian banks loan to him? The mafia loans money to control the borrower.

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Hispanics vote democrat because they know the democrats don't care about the border. blacks and hispanics vote democrat because the democrats switched in the 60's from outright opposition racism to government sponsored racism in the name of special rights.
You right wingers constantly parrot Hannity with "open borders". Its simply not true. How many here have called for OPEN BORDERS? None. Obama spent more on Border Patrol and deported more than almost any previous president. Quit parroting Lyin Sean Hannity. In addition, you said it yourself. The democrats changed course to increase the Hispanic vote. Worked so well you are freaking out about it consistently.

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You know Russia did not attack Afghanistan a decade ago right? That was in the 80's. maybe even late 70's.
I was wrong on the year, but you dont get off on technicalities like that. The point was trump, out of the blue, at a meeting he personally called, off the cuff, started spouting Russian lies regarding their attacking Afghanistan. So kindly explain that.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nistan/579361/

I was using carney but I now prefer Ralphs more correct Grifter. Grifter, yes. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/grifter
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 1:23 PM Reply   
I have stated my solutions several times on this website.
I thought for sure that my take on things was widely known here.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 1:30 PM Reply   
shawn....
there are some jobs that aren't meant to be a primary source of income, and therefore a living wage.

washing dishes and busing tables is in no way shape or form a job meant to be able to buy a house on.
It's a kids job, or a stepping stone. Society needs to get over the notion that a McDonald's job should afford them rent on its own

That's crazy

one solution to health care and living wage, would be to drive down costs

why is there so much disparity between generic medicine costs and name brand?
why is a tube of teenage acne cream over $600.

Have you priced apartments lately? Or qualified for a mortgage?

crazy crazy crazy
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 1:37 PM Reply   
and Trumpturds? seriously? Not very inventive. Get some new material

but wait, I live in Texas. We all have ranches, cattle, horses an oil well, and drive lifted pickups

oh brother
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       01-30-2019, 1:43 PM Reply   
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and Trumpturds? seriously?
I might take you seriously if you reacted the same way about all the "Libtard" comments.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       01-30-2019, 1:47 PM Reply   
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I might take you seriously if you reacted the same way about all the "Libtard" comments.
The good news is no one takes you serious! Not here or off here.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-30-2019, 1:48 PM Reply   
consider the same reaction. It's ridiculous that we put each other in such hateful groups. I don't believe I have ever labeled someone here as such. If I have, I am sorry.

Seems to me, that when real discussions take place, regular people like us aren't that far apart in what we would like the results to be. It's the processes getting to those results that have the widest gap
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-30-2019, 2:36 PM Reply   
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there are some jobs that aren't meant to be a primary source of income, and therefore a living wage.

washing dishes and busing tables is in no way shape or form a job meant to be able to buy a house on.
It's a kids job, or a stepping stone. Society needs to get over the notion that a McDonald's job should afford them rent on its own

That's crazy

one solution to health care and living wage, would be to drive down costs

why is there so much disparity between generic medicine costs and name brand?
why is a tube of teenage acne cream over $600.

Have you priced apartments lately? Or qualified for a mortgage?

crazy crazy crazy
I agree with Cliff
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the reason that he got elected is to get away from politics as usual. Turns out, he won't be able to help much with that. The masses will go back to career politicians and nothing will change.
Here too. I didn't vote for him (surprise) but when he was elected I believed that a "business person" would be an agreeable change. Plus he was going to drain the swamp of Washington. It did not take long for me to learn none of it would happen or was it true. He is a terrible business person, terrible at running govt, increasing the vastness of the swamp squared. He has no idea what its like to be a middle class American only a rich blowhard. He lies, cheats and steals. Grifter.
Did anyone catch congress interview with all the Nat'l Security chiefs yesterday? He is nearly 180 degrees off from what the FBi, CIA, Sec of State, National Intellegence ….https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...border-n964141
So, do we want to believe a grifter who lies virtually daily or ALL the national security chiefs (all trump appointed) of the USA?
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