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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-27-2020, 9:23 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ralph View Post
What you talking about Willis, CDC just published that excess deaths is expected to be 300K up this year due to COVID

https://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...re-deaths-than
Do you read your own articles you post? From your article, “The CDC’s report doesn’t’ offer any definite answers about why so many extra non-COVID deaths were reported”.....
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-28-2020, 3:21 AM Reply   
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Do you read your own articles you post? From your article, “The CDC’s report doesn’t’ offer any definite answers about why so many extra non-COVID deaths were reported”.....
Yes I read it, 200k offical deaths from Covid plus 100k extra deaths which they are not sure where from. So directly refuting this nonsense:

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Originally Posted by numpty
Also contributing to the Kung Flu farce is the fact that mortality rates in the US have not changed much year over year, but have stayed pretty consistent.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-28-2020, 3:26 AM Reply   
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Geee I am sure all the exponentially increased black on black death tolls littered across the nation this year isn’t effecting those numbers at all. The increased suicide rates of all those effected negatively by lockdowns probably isn’t playing factor either . People refusing to go for medical help because they’ve been falsely told they’ll die getting anywhere near covid . What about all medical facilities closed for periods of time due to covid. Peoples will to live is also affected by what’s transpiring around them. Dying has scientifically linked to ones mental state, think anyone is in a dark place in their mind more this year with the MSM pumping out its poison? Couple all those increases with the actual covid deaths , and again it’s still not the killer it’s been portrayed as by left.
200k direct covid, 100k indirect covid seems like a lot of people to me, one of the worst in the world per capita. But if you don't think it's important that's fine, everybody values different things I guess.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-28-2020, 4:01 AM Reply   
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Geee I am sure all the exponentially increased black on black death tolls littered across the nation this year isn’t effecting those numbers at all. The increased suicide rates of all those effected negatively by lockdowns probably isn’t playing factor either . People refusing to go for medical help because they’ve been falsely told they’ll die getting anywhere near covid . What about all medical facilities closed for periods of time due to covid. Peoples will to live is also affected by what’s transpiring around them. Dying has scientifically linked to ones mental state, think anyone is in a dark place in their mind more this year with the MSM pumping out its poison? Couple all those increases with the actual covid deaths , and again it’s still not the killer it’s been portrayed as by left.
So should i click over to FOX, Newsmax for all the flowery news they are showing now? Its just the MSM, right?
A good idea would be to stop expending all your energy trying to prove there isnt a pandemic, that there are not 268K deaths or will be 300,000 by years end. That we arnt heading into the worst of it right now.
Old     (onlyinboards)      Join Date: Oct 2014       11-28-2020, 4:06 AM Reply   
and all his followers donated the money!
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Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       11-28-2020, 6:20 AM Reply   
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and all his followers donated the money!
Yep. His brainless minions continue to spew his unsubstantiated BS. I cannot wait until the lawsuits start flying once the legal system gets tired of listening to Guiliani's lisp. I hope Dominion sues Sidney Powell into bankruptcy. Trump won't be able to help them with the power of the presidency in less than two months.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       11-28-2020, 6:37 AM Reply   
get pumped for 2024 baby

https://donaldjtrump2024.com/
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-28-2020, 7:11 AM Reply   
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200k direct covid, 100k indirect covid seems like a lot of people to me, one of the worst in the world per capita. But if you don't think it's important that's fine, everybody values different things I guess.
That 200k number of covid is suspect at best. That’s already been explained over and over again on how they inflated the death toll for the virus. Just because someone had covid and then died of a heart attack , doesn’t mean covid killed them, though that’s show they’re being classified. People with cancer or heart disease that die of a different symptoms aren’t classified as cancer or heart disease deaths are they?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-28-2020, 8:31 AM Reply   
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That 200k number of covid is suspect at best. That’s already been explained over and over again on how they inflated the death toll for the virus. Just because someone had covid and then died of a heart attack , doesn’t mean covid killed them, though that’s show they’re being classified. People with cancer or heart disease that die of a different symptoms aren’t classified as cancer or heart disease deaths are they?
Sure there is some of that and there is some of people not getting counted because they are not in the medical system. How do you explain the 300k excess deaths?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-29-2020, 4:16 AM Reply   
Trump accidentally told the truth!

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"We're trying to put the evidence in, and the judges won't allow us to do it," Trump said. "We have so much evidence. You probably saw Wednesday last week we had a hearing in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. … Unbelievable witnesses , highly-respected people, that were truly aggrieved."
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-29-2020, 5:35 AM Reply   
These guys really are partisan hacks:
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52...mpression=true

Too late to pretend about debt and deficit after running a $3T budget deficit brought on by tax cuts, military expansion and corporate socialism. The base will clap and nod no doubt.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 8:52 AM Reply   
More mask issues.

Europe has seen an increased number of cases but not an increased fatality rate in many countries. Some experts feel that this is a direct result of quarantining; and despite this, Europe may actually increase and get stricter with more quarantines.

A recent study of new COVID-19 cases revealed that 71% of those people wore masks 100% of the time; and 15% more wore masks almost all the time. These people still got infected. This study again reveals that mask-wearing may not only be fruitless, but could be a causative factor actually increasing risks of contracting COVID-19.


Bottom line is that the mask data and opinion is all over the map, there is no science involved with being forced to wear one daily
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 8:58 AM Reply   
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Sure there is some of that and there is some of people not getting counted because they are not in the medical system. How do you explain the 300k excess deaths?
I explain them like the science explains them. Covid lockdowns and failed policies due to political motivation account for huge percentage of those excess deaths. Those implementations and forced policy’s have led to higher death tolls. The complete mismanagement by turning it in to a political movement is the reason our stats look like they do.

First, while both the flu and COVID-19 are dangerous to the elderly sick, it appears that the coronavirus is more deadly to this population, though not remarkably so. Thus, the smartest thing we should have done is protect that population from the virus. Instead, Democratic Party governors in New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have all demanded that hospitals place infected patients in nursing homes. exposing that vulnerable population and causing many unnecessary deaths.

While both the flu and COVID-19 appear relatively harmless to healthy people, there is mounting evidence that the coronavirus is even more harmless. It appears that people younger than twenty are practically immune, while healthy people older than twenty generally show no symptoms at all if they get infected — meaning they might not even know they got it. And those healthy people who do get sick quickly recover, even if they are elderly (consider President Trump as a prime example). A bout with flu actually appears more intense, lasting longer and causing more sickness. Regardless, in all cases there appear to be few deaths among the young or the healthy.



We’ve been on a steady incline in deaths for some time. You’d expect an increase with the new introduction of a virus that has the ability to kill, but again. Not nearly the focal limit and death scare it is being portrayed as .

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Yes, there has been a tiny rise in deaths in the past month in NYC Nothing however that comes close to a health crisis, or is that unusual for a bad flu season. In fact, the rise is not unusual for a relatively mild flu season either. One just has to compare the recent death toll, averaging about 25-30 per day, to the daily death toll last spring, to recognize there is no justification for such draconian new rules.

And there is certainly no reason to shutter the schools in NYC. Even the CDC now admits this, with its director unequivocally stating on November 19th:

“There has been no intra-school transmission and we must make sure not to make emotional decisions when the data strongly supports making sure schools remain open… It is counterproductive to close schools.”

This statement came just one day after de Blasio’s closure order, and appeared to be in direct response to it. Numerous studies have found that children are not only practically immune from the coronavirus, they do not appear to infect others. To close the schools is imbecilic, especially considered the wealth of knowledge on this subject that now exists.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-29-2020, 9:15 AM Reply   
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A recent study of new COVID-19 cases revealed that 71% of those people wore masks 100% of the time; and 15% more wore masks almost all the time.
"Fact check: Misrepresented CDC study about community exposure to the new coronavirus"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2741WF
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 9:35 AM Reply   
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"Fact check: Misrepresented CDC study about community exposure to the new coronavirus"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2741WF
What’s the misrepresentation. The fact wearing a mask didn’t work , the argument that article makes is that the conclusion was misrepresented, IT WAS NOT . ATRAIGHT FROM YOUR ARTICLE
While the numbers mentioned in these claims are authentic (see page 3), the data is missing context. It is true that 85% of people in the study who tested positive for the coronavirus were reported to have worn a mask always or often. It is also true that mask-wearing levels were reportedly high (88.7%) among people who did not catch the virus.

The study was based on going to different environments, not mask vs no mask. Again proving the point mask use is questionable at best and won’t protect you. NONE OF DATA NUMBERS WERE FALSE OR INCORRECT You attempt to say such is feeble at best. The rebuttals and the article you posted to discredit the information is a difference of opinion on what that data means. It’s not a discredit of the actual numbers and statements made. I would expect better from someone like yourself.


Straight from my post

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A recent study of new COVID-19 cases revealed that 71% of those people wore masks 100% of the time; and 15% more wore masks almost all the time. These people still got infected. This study again reveals that mask-wearing may not only be fruitless, but could be a causative factor actually increasing risks of contracting COVID-19.


Meaning more in-depth studies should be conducted due to the results

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-29-2020, 9:40 AM Reply   
Masks don't protect you as much as they protect others. If nobody is wearing a mask then you may as well take yours off. Masks don't cause economic loss. But people who have the attitude that it's an imposition to wear them do. Why are you so anti-mask? BTW, your posts look like a bad web site.
Old     (NautiqueThrowaway)      Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Kowalewo Pomorskie Send a message via ICQ to NautiqueThrowaway       11-29-2020, 9:51 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
We’ve been on a steady incline in deaths for some time. You’d expect an increase with the new introduction of a virus that has the ability to kill, but again. Not nearly the focal limit and death scare it is being portrayed as .

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Yes, there has been a tiny rise in deaths in the past month in NYC Nothing however that comes close to a health crisis, or is that unusual for a bad flu season. In fact, the rise is not unusual for a relatively mild flu season either. One just has to compare the recent death toll, averaging about 25-30 per day, to the daily death toll last spring, to recognize there is no justification for such draconian new rules.
Assuming that long post was copy and pasted from a website offering its own commentary on yet another website, it should be noted it looks like that chart was copy and pasted from here:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...tes/death-rate

Where the top of the page has a red bordered box containing the following:
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NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.
In terms of masks:
- Disposable medical grade masks -> Effective prevention of spread from sick individuals. Highly likely increased spread if used more than once, after they have been touched, probably makes the medically illiterate feel invincible so they quit hand washing/sanitizing causing more spread.
- N95 -> Effective prevention of spread to healthy individuals when in close quarters with sick individuals, especially when they are spreading aerosols. Would require eye protection for full prevention of spread. When does this exposure to aerosols happen in public day-to-day life? Probably never. Still not a replacement for proper hand washing.

Bottom line: Our leaders are all idiots. In charge of things simply because they are.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 10:03 AM Reply   
I am allowed to have my opinion. It’s America though it may be communist America in most leftist states shortly. My opinion is everyday mask wearing for a majority of your day is pointless . I’ve explained this before , I am not as anti mask as I am anti lockdown , anti close your business, anti we tell you how to operate in your own home and at your business, anti tell you where you can and can go , can and can’t eat mad all of the rest of the leftists tyrannical bull**** based on politics not science .





There is a mask that’s effective , there is times when I believe a mask of some sort would protect you. My job requires me to wear a wet sock for 10 plus hours a day. In 99% of that time period there is really no need for that requirement. The blanket requirements and idiotic policies surrounding masks are the issue. The lack of science behind it is also concerning. I chose to not live like a sheep. Show me the concrete evidence of mandates and policies ? That’s the issue.

The argument is that your mask protects you from the sick. Ok. So why aren’t the sick the ones to wear them? If you agree the mask doesn’t keep you from getting it ,but it’s priority is more to prevent the spread , why should healthy people be forced to wear a mask ? Shouldn’t the focus be more on available testing and geared towards those individuals showing or Presenting signs they’re sick ? Why the blanket policies for an entire nation when it’s a minuscule amount that it should actually pertain to ?

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Old     (NautiqueThrowaway)      Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Kowalewo Pomorskie Send a message via ICQ to NautiqueThrowaway       11-29-2020, 10:06 AM Reply   
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BTW, your posts look like a bad web site.
Because that's where they are copy and pasted from.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 10:26 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by NautiqueThrowaway View Post
Assuming that long post was copy and pasted from a website offering its own commentary on yet another website, it should be noted it looks like that chart was copy and pasted from here:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...tes/death-rate

Where the top of the page has a red bordered box containing the following:

In terms of masks:
- Disposable medical grade masks -> Effective prevention of spread from sick individuals. Highly likely increased spread if used more than once, after they have been touched, probably makes the medically illiterate feel invincible so they quit hand washing/sanitizing causing more spread.
- N95 -> Effective prevention of spread to healthy individuals when in close quarters with sick individuals, especially when they are spreading aerosols. Would require eye protection for full prevention of spread. When does this exposure to aerosols happen in public day-to-day life? Probably never. Still not a replacement for proper hand washing.

Bottom line: Our leaders are all idiots. In charge of things simply because they are.
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The death rate chart I posted was to illustrate the fact the US has been trending upward for years in deaths. It wasn’t meant to dispute or affirm the fact we may or may not have a huge spike in overall deaths in 2020. My fault for assuming anyone discussing the topic understands that death totals for the year to date of 2020 , along with their classifications are a moving topic of discussion due to the fact they change significantly depending on the source. Most accepted sources for total data regarding death allocations take much more time to update and release numbers , so when they do they’re as accurate as possible. They’re not pumped out to create hysteria and panic.


Don’t disagree with anything below.

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In terms of masks:
- Disposable medical grade masks -> Effective prevention of spread from sick individuals. Highly likely increased spread if used more than once, after they have been touched, probably makes the medically illiterate feel invincible so they quit hand washing/sanitizing causing more spread.
- N95 -> Effective prevention of spread to healthy individuals when in close quarters with sick individuals, especially when they are spreading aerosols. Would require eye protection for full prevention of spread. When does this exposure to aerosols happen in public day-to-day life? Probably never. Still not a replacement for proper hand washing.

Bottom line: Our leaders are all idiots. In charge of things simply because they are.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-29-2020, 11:24 AM Reply   
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The argument is that your mask protects you from the sick. Ok. So why aren’t the sick the ones to wear them?
Who is making that argument? The only people I hear or see making that argument are anti maskers.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 12:35 PM Reply   
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Who is making that argument? The only people I hear or see making that argument are anti maskers.
Everyone from the left. Biden ran on the statement he will institute a National mask mandate. That means a majority of Americans that have no reason to wear one will be forced too.

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-29-2020, 1:27 PM Reply   
Please find the quote where Biden says masks will protect wearers from the sick. Please.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-29-2020, 2:08 PM Reply   
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Everyone from the left.
Name one person
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-29-2020, 2:57 PM Reply   
This thing has almost run its course. Come end of January/February, these ridiculous, unconstitutional lockdowns will miraculously be unnecessary and nonexistent. Democrats, by working diligently like never before, finally succeeded-in combination with ballot harvesting and other BS to unseat a duly-elected president. They couldn’t do it legitimately, so they maximized their pull with the more-than-willing media beating lies into the public every day for four years. Just think what they could accomplish if they applied that work ethic to getting a real job and not sponging off of society and needing a trophy for mediocrity.....
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-29-2020, 3:07 PM Reply   
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This thing has almost run its course.
Bro, it hasn't even started yet. 4 years until you get another shot at it.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 3:12 PM Reply   
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Please find the quote where Biden says masks will protect wearers from the sick. Please.
His policy speaks for itself as do the continued policies from the left. NATIONAL MASK MANDATE , It means everyone , not just those experiencing symptoms or presenting a danger. Words don’t
Need to be said. Policy details speak for themselves. . Why should everyone be forced to wear one ? If People don’t present any danger at all , which is an overwhelming majority of people , what is forcing them to wear a mask doing? It’s not protecting you from anything if the person across from you isn’t sick either why do they have one on. I supposed the fact it’s weakening the wearers immune/health system by requiring its presence for extended periods of time isn’t an issue to the sheep either, but as usual the left has no issues taking the rights away from normal healthy citizens in the name of saving a single life.....the millions should give up their freedoms because they say so.

Here’s some more science for you to read.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy

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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-29-2020, 3:45 PM Reply   
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Bro, it hasn't even started yet. 4 years until you get another shot at it.
I was talking about the Kung flu hoax.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-29-2020, 3:49 PM Reply   
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Who is making that argument? The only people I hear or see making that argument are anti maskers.
None of this matters anyway. The Kung flu is really the Kung cold. 8 times the cases reported=8 times less deadly. This is a bigger joke than I said it was 7 months ago. TDS is more deadly.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-29-2020, 3:51 PM Reply   
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His policy speaks for itself as do the continued policies from the left. NATIONAL MASK MANDATE , It means everyone , not just those experiencing symptoms or presenting a danger. Words don’t
Need to be said. Policy details speak for themselves. . Why should everyone be forced to wear one ? If People don’t present any danger at all , which is an overwhelming majority of people , what is forcing them to wear a mask doing? It’s not protecting you from anything if the person across from you isn’t sick either why do they have one on. I supposed the fact it’s weakening the wearers immune/health system by requiring its presence for extended periods of time isn’t an issue to the sheep either, but as usual the left has no issues taking the rights away from normal healthy citizens in the name of saving a single life.....the millions should give up their freedoms because they say so.

Here’s some more science for you to read.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy
Without robust testing asymptomatic people cannot know whether they are contageous or not.

“ Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

(Sorry I can’t find sources as persuasive and credible as the river city reader)
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-29-2020, 3:55 PM Reply   
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None of this matters anyway. The Kung flu is really the Kung cold. 8 times the cases reported=8 times less deadly. This is a bigger joke than I said it was 7 months ago. TDS is more deadly.
As long as you don’t need acute medical care and you are healthy. It ain’t gonna kill me most likely. But the hospital is thick with people it is killing, so let’s hope I don’t break a leg or get in a car wreck.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-29-2020, 3:56 PM Reply   
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I was talking about the Kung flu hoax.
Oh fair enough, I thought that ended 4th Nov?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-29-2020, 4:07 PM Reply   
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Oh fair enough, I thought that ended 4th Nov?
Didn’t mark and that LA county health director assure us it would be over by then?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-29-2020, 5:05 PM Reply   
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As long as you don’t need acute medical care and you are healthy. It ain’t gonna kill me most likely. But the hospital is thick with people it is killing, so let’s hope I don’t break a leg or get in a car wreck.
Blah blah blah. Tell that to the morbidly obese, unhealthy 74-year-old orange man who beat it and was back to work 3 days later. You’re full of 95sn again. Not a good look for you. This plandemic remains the hoax it always was.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-29-2020, 5:14 PM Reply   
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As long as you don’t need acute medical care and you are healthy. It ain’t gonna kill me most likely. But the hospital is thick with people it is killing, so let’s hope I don’t break a leg or get in a car wreck.
If the case numbers the CDC alluded to a few days ago is true, only 2 out of 1000 people with Kung flu die in Kali. So much for following the science and only trying to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed... This whole thing was nothing short of cooking the books to unseat Trump.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 6:10 PM Reply   
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Without robust testing asymptomatic people cannot know whether they are contageous or not.

“ Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

(Sorry I can’t find sources as persuasive and credible as the river city reader)
Right. Attack the source........ make no mention of the 8 plus actual scientific studies they’ve linked that span two decades before the political weapon was even a blip.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2020, 6:15 PM Reply   
Here is more factual data with the source and numbers to back it. Only yet again the numbers prove how damaging the leftist policies regarding covid are to living , contributing people in America .

After Black Friday comes Small Business Saturday, when Americans are encouraged to support their local retailers. But there will be over 11,200 fewer Illinoisans running retail stores on Nov. 28, thanks to COVID-19 and state-mandated lockdowns.

And when it is time to take a shopping break to eat and drink, there will be nearly 17,600 fewer Illinois bar and restaurant owners to serve you.

That's almost 29,000 fewer small stores, bars and restaurants. We don't know what these businesses would have generated in Sales Taxes, but think about this:

Each of these places carries some sort of License to Operate - state or county or local - or a combination of all three;
casino gaming machines at a bunch of these bars are licensed individually;
Chicago requires separate licenses for food, liquor, tobacco, signage, etc
29,000 businesses are not generating tens of millions in these fees alone, and that translates into hundreds of millions in sales taxes, not to mention associated businesses, parking, hotels across the entire state.



Read the entire article here

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/shop-...r-shop-owners/



Can’t wait to hear all the noise from the left about Biden racking up debt when he starts handing out cash to all the democratic strongholds bleeding the fed dry. I am sure you’ll hold him and the local democratic failures accountable for their actions. Give them the same scrutiny you did Trump

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-30-2020, 1:45 AM Reply   
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Democrats, by working diligently like never before, finally succeeded-in combination with ballot harvesting and other BS to unseat a duly-elected president.
It's like you've never heard of an election. Even with the GOP handicap Trump got his butt kicked in a landslide.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-30-2020, 1:48 AM Reply   
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Blah blah blah. Tell that to the morbidly obese, unhealthy 74-year-old orange man who beat it and was back to work 3 days later. You’re full of 95sn again. Not a good look for you. This plandemic remains the hoax it always was.
The orange man has the equivalent of a urgent care center in his house. And he still got whisked away to the hospital to get drugs no one else has access to at the first sign of the sniffles.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-30-2020, 1:53 AM Reply   
The dumba$$ President is a disgrace. Now he's claiming that the world thinks our elections are a joke. Ironically every accusation Trump makes is a reflection of himself. If he can't win he's intent on disgracing the country that rejected him. And that's what the faux patriots support.
Old     (onlyinboards)      Join Date: Oct 2014       11-30-2020, 2:10 AM Reply   
Mark is going down with the ship, better to ride out the crazy than admit Trump is the disgrace we've said he was all along.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-30-2020, 2:57 AM Reply   
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The dumba$$ President is a disgrace. Now he's claiming that the world thinks our elections are a joke. Ironically every accusation Trump makes is a reflection of himself. If he can't win he's intent on disgracing the country that rejected him. And that's what the faux patriots support.
That’s because they ARE a joke. Any time you can harvest ballots like democrats push for, it’s a sham. Only way to have a legit election with few exceptions is in person with ID.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-30-2020, 2:59 AM Reply   
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Mark is going down with the ship, better to ride out the crazy than admit Trump is the disgrace we've said he was all along.
If you ever paid attention, you’d know where I stand on DJT: Don’t like the person, love his SC picks and most of his policies.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-30-2020, 3:03 AM Reply   
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The orange man has the equivalent of a urgent care center in his house. And he still got whisked away to the hospital to get drugs no one else has access to at the first sign of the sniffles.
Big deal. He didn’t need it for the Kung cold anyway. You think Hiden needed all the attention his ankle got when he broke it? Gonna be funny if he has to wear a boot to the inauguration.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-30-2020, 4:03 AM Reply   
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Big deal. He didn’t need it for the Kung cold anyway.
You know that how? LOL I'd totally be beating the drum to reopen everything immediately if we all had fully paid-for in-home physicians and a helicopter in the front yard to take us to the hospital that's five miles away where we will receive every possible treatment regardless of cost.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-30-2020, 4:46 AM Reply   
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Big deal. He didn’t need it for the Kung cold anyway. You think Hiden needed all the attention his ankle got when he broke it? Gonna be funny if he has to wear a boot to the inauguration.
LOL, The boot will be perfect to drop kick the lame duck who got his azz beat fair and square. At least Biden has an inauguration to attend.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-30-2020, 5:17 AM Reply   
Chris Krebs: There is no foreign power that is flipping votes. There's no domestic actor flipping votes. I did it right. We did it right. This was a secure election.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electio...es-2020-11-29/
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-30-2020, 7:16 AM Reply   
Surely even the numptyist of numpties don't believe there is enough one-sided fraud to change the election result?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       11-30-2020, 9:48 AM Reply   
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Surely even the numptyist of numpties don't believe there is enough one-sided fraud to change the election result?
Just the numpties with Advanced Trump Devotion Syndrome.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-30-2020, 8:27 PM Reply   
Ahhhh. Can’t wait for this Presidency to start rolling with all the free handouts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...p-rioters.html


Even better will be when all these lunatics start rioting because Biden didn’t put enough color on his cabinet or give them a place at the table.



Don’t forget about all the record crime numbers across the Nation in his voter strongholds.

To get a measure of just how bad crime is on Chicago’s West Side this year, one good place to start is about 350 miles away — Minneapolis.

Minneapolis has struggled with violence since May when a police officer knelt on George Floyd’s neck and he died, setting off protests, looting and rioting that spread across the country, including in Chicago.

Floyd’s killing shattered the friendly, stoic image of that city of 425,000, which is dealing with a growing murder problem. Through mid-November, Minneapolis has had almost 75 killings — stunning for a city with fewer than 50 killings in all of 2019.

But the violence alone in Chicago’s 11th police district, also known as the Harrison District, is worse.
Just for comparison purposes, 011 has more homicides than all of Nashville (62), all of Minneapolis (75), more than riot-torn Seattle (59), even all of San Francisco (50). 011 started the weekend at ninety homicides. As of 2000 hours Sunday, the number was at ninety-three, tying their totals from 2016 and the highest monthly total since 1996 when they topped one-hundred. Keep in mind these number are with the most modern tech , and best medical treatments available when compared to those late 90’s numbers.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...district-worse


Baltimore paints an even better picture

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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-30-2020, 8:41 PM Reply   
We will hit 4000 shot in one year no problem.
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Just an average weekend in Baltimore
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bal...outputType=amp
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-30-2020, 8:59 PM Reply   
Send in the social workers instead of the police.......that didn’t take long.



A man stabbed a social worker to death on Monday at the site where the worker provides services to homeless clients.

Hans Dewey Van-Belkum was arrested and facing first degree murder charges after allegedly stabbing Kristin Benson, who provided services to Seattle's chronically homeless as a full-time housing case manager.

[...] This tragedy was the second stabbing in Seattle in a day and the third in four days. It was also the grim milestone of the 54th homicide in Seattle in 2020, which has more than doubled all the 28 homicides in all of 2019. Seattle Interim Police Chief Adrian Diaz recently said that he does not believe that the city is safe.




Geee wonder why?????? Reap what you sow


I am sure we will hear Biden/ Harris condemning violent criminals shortly and releasing their crime strategy to combat the surge in violence their campaign created and supported for months.

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Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       12-01-2020, 2:06 AM Reply   
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Send in the social workers instead of the police.......that didn’t take long.



A man stabbed a social worker to death on Monday at the site where the worker provides services to homeless clients.

Hans Dewey Van-Belkum was arrested and facing first degree murder charges after allegedly stabbing Kristin Benson, who provided services to Seattle's chronically homeless as a full-time housing case manager.

[...] This tragedy was the second stabbing in Seattle in a day and the third in four days. It was also the grim milestone of the 54th homicide in Seattle in 2020, which has more than doubled all the 28 homicides in all of 2019. Seattle Interim Police Chief Adrian Diaz recently said that he does not believe that the city is safe.




Geee wonder why?????? Reap what you sow


I am sure we will hear Biden/ Harris condemning violent criminals shortly and releasing their crime strategy to combat the surge in violence their campaign created and supported for months.
Prob not, we will hear if he likes his white rice in a bowl. or if he prefers a plate, or maybe what kind of outfits he plans on dressing the new cat!
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-01-2020, 5:42 AM Reply   
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I am sure we will hear Biden/ Harris condemning violent criminals shortly and releasing their crime strategy to combat the surge in violence their campaign created and supported for months.
How about this for a strategy... Wait until Biden takes office before blaming Trump's mess on him.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       12-01-2020, 6:15 AM Reply   
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How about this for a strategy... Wait until Biden takes office before blaming Trump's mess on him.
Trump’s mess... Now that’s rich. Every single mess has one thing in common. All of the cities are run by democrats and their leaders welcomed and cheered on their animal behaviors.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 8:31 AM Reply   
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That’s like saying seatbelts are proven to be useless because of airbags and speed limits.
Not really. Masks only work if you use them correctly. Wrap the seat belt around your neck then hit a wall and see if you do ok.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       12-01-2020, 8:58 AM Reply   
The president is running a Nigerian Direct mail scam from the White House. Grifter gonna grift all the way to the end. Im still getting a dozen pleas for cash everyday. Poor grandma living on a fixed income sending another $10 bucks every time she gets an email. Sick F.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...stent-election
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:15 AM Reply   
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Here is some more science for you. Reviewing past data .



Approximately 220,000 COVID-19 deaths listed so far, almost 94% were likely not caused exclusively by COVID-19, but by other chronic illnesses. While many of these other maladies, such as a variety of respiratory illnesses, probably worked closely in conjunction with the coronavirus to kill the patient, other illnesses were clearly the real cause of death. For example, the CDC says the 51,000 of today’s 218,000 COVID-19 deaths were caused by heart attacks or heart failure, not COVID-19.

If we subtract these coronary deaths, we are left with about 167,000 COVID-19 deaths. The CDC notes that of these, 88,000 were probably caused not by the coronavirus but by the flu and pneumonia. Hospitals listed them as COVID-19 deaths because the CARES act passed by Congress in the spring gives those hospitals a 20% bonus if they claim the death was COVID-19. This fact might also explain the almost complete lack of flu deaths this year, as listed by hospitals.

Based on this data, it appears that the coronavirus probably caused about 79,000 deaths, on top of the 88,000 flu and pneumonia deaths this year. These Wuhan virus deaths are probably excess deaths this year, but with an average age of 78 the deaths are still occurring almost exclusively among the aged sick, rather than the general population. For everyone else, COVID-19 remains relatively harmless, like the flu.

Interestingly, the CDC recently reported that in 2020 the total number of excess deaths is presently estimated at 300,000. Most significantly, the CDC also stated that

[As of October 3rd], the report notes only 198,081 of those deaths are directly attributed to COVID-19. So over one-third of excess deaths so far this year have not been directly associated with COVID-19.

These numbers reasonably match with the numbers above. They also suggest strongly that the lock downs and house arrests and mask mandates might very well be causing many other unnecessary excess deaths, such as from suicides. The lock downs have also caused many unneeded deaths because patients did not get treatment for other illnesses when they should, either because hospitals were not allowed to provide them service (because of government edict) or because the patients were afraid to go to the hospital.

All told, the data continues to suggest that the panic over COVID-19 did more harm than good, especially because the early data, in March, was consistent with what we know now. Even then the data said the virus would be dangerous only to the elderly sick, but harmless to the young and healthy, just like the flu. Had our political and academic class been interested in that data, instead of the failed models they love to bow to, they would have allowed society to largely go on with life as normal, while instituting measures specifically aimed at protecting the elderly sick.

Instead, they did the exact opposite, and the evidence now tells us that those failed policies of panic killed many more people, for absolutely no reason.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/networ...i-schools-open

Network newscasts ignore Dr. Fauci saying kids should be in school
ABC, NBC and CBS’ evening newscasts all skipped Fauci’s comment, according to Media Research Center

“While the broadcast networks spent Monday evening echoing Dr. Anthony Fauci’s complaints against fed up Americans spending Thanksgiving with their families, and CBS blasted Florida for keeping schools open, none of them shared his Sunday comments arguing that kids should remain in school and his admission that kids don’t spread the virus as much as they feared,” Media Research Center analyst Nicholas Fondacaro wrote.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:20 AM Reply   
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So you share a study from Nature where authorities literally tested EVERYONE (ok ok, only 96% of people) before lifting a lockdown, and you suggest that the study supports your conclusion that we are overtesting and positivity rates don't matter?

We COULD totally get control of this AND reopen everything like you suggest, if we could greatly increase testing. If everyone was tested on a weekly basis, we'd be able to isolate positive cases and keep those folks from spreading. We could also test and verify the chinese experience about asymptomatic spread (or the lack thereof). And everyone who tests negative gets a week pass to shop and go to the gym and eat in restaurants. Rinse and repeat.

Or we could just complain that when you test you get positives and if we didn't test we wouldn't know.
Didn't we shut down for a few weeks and still did not have control? You are not going to get "control". You are just going to have a new normal or the virus goes away through mutation or vaccine and no mutation that is resistant to the vaccine.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:22 AM Reply   
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Yes I read it, 200k offical deaths from Covid plus 100k extra deaths which they are not sure where from. So directly refuting this nonsense:
You do know there is financial incentive to claim "death from covid" don't you?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:25 AM Reply   
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and all his followers donated the money!
It has nothing to do with changing the votes. They are working about these "vote in the park" and other violations of state election law where no identification or tracability was available. In some cases the poll workers illegally furnished one. There were over 200,000 votes counted outside the state laws in Wisconsin alone and the democrats and the Biden campaign actually encouraged this.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       12-01-2020, 9:34 AM Reply   
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It has nothing to do with changing the votes. They are working about these "vote in the park" and other violations of state election law where no identification or tracability was available. In some cases the poll workers illegally furnished one. There were over 200,000 votes counted outside the state laws in Wisconsin alone and the democrats and the Biden campaign actually encouraged this.
Rudy and company have lost virtually every lawsuit they filed, not even the kraken could get a single win. Wisconsin has certified their vote as have all the swing states, AZ, MI, GA, PA...
Every lawsuit they lost cements the fact the vote was legal and fair and trump does nothing but lie. He is their only source of rigging the election. And he did, cheated more than any candidate I can remember.....and still lost.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:36 AM Reply   
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Because that's where they are copy and pasted from.
Considering none of use are in the business of generating data on the topics discussed, I am pretty sure all data is copy and pasted. Thanks for keeping up. oh, water is wet.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:41 AM Reply   
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Please find the quote where Biden says masks will protect wearers from the sick. Please.
Biden is not smart enough to vary from Kamela's talking points. He stayed on the national mask mandate talking point. Of course, when cornered about it he finally had to admit he does not have the power to do such a thing. I will give it to him. He at least knows the law better than his followers.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       12-01-2020, 9:43 AM Reply   
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You do know there is financial incentive to claim "death from covid" don't you?
How do you explain 300k higher deaths than expected?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:45 AM Reply   
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The dumba$$ President is a disgrace. Now he's claiming that the world thinks our elections are a joke. Ironically every accusation Trump makes is a reflection of himself. If he can't win he's intent on disgracing the country that rejected him. And that's what the faux patriots support.
Funny, didn't your boy Obama run around the world apologizing for America? Heard plenty of the election was stolen when Bush and Trump got elected. What we did not see was down ballot loses of the same party with any of the presidents and we did not see hundreds of lawsuits just prior to an election to get voting laws changed in 45 states via the court system and not the legislation as per the constitution.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 9:52 AM Reply   
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How do you explain 300k higher deaths than expected?
easy. A label. There fixed.

The US has about 330,000,000 people. Growth rate of 0.72%. That is 2.376 million people increase yearly (that is not including illegal immigration which is in the millions).

Death rate of 8.88 equals about 267k died if you just use straight numbers.

I am sure 267k in no where near 300k more than the previous year.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-01-2020, 9:56 AM Reply   
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Funny, didn't your boy Obama run around the world apologizing for America?
No. You were just tooled into thinking that.

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Heard plenty of the election was stolen when Bush and Trump got elected.
No really. Florida was razor close and got made fun of WRT hanging chads and the like, but nothing about an election being stolen like we are seeing now. Same with Hillary losing to Trump. Again not the public spectacle that Trump is creating.

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What we did not see was down ballot loses of the same party with any of the presidents and we did not see hundreds of lawsuits just prior to an election to get voting laws changed in 45 states via the court system and not the legislation as per the constitution.
If you didn't see it then it wasn't a public spectacle like what's happening now.

The bottom line is that if you don't see that Trump is a disgrace in his actions, then you've been watching too much Newsmax and OAN. News for idiots.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 10:06 AM Reply   
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No. You were just tooled into thinking that.

No really. Florida was razor close and got made fun of WRT hanging chads and the like, but nothing about an election being stolen like we are seeing now. Same with Hillary losing to Trump. Again not the public spectacle that Trump is creating.

If you didn't see it then it wasn't a public spectacle like what's happening now.

The bottom line is that if you don't see that Trump is a disgrace in his actions, then you've been watching too much Newsmax and OAN. News for idiots.
No. I saw the clips of him doing these things.

The chad thing was a daily issue until around Dec 13th. All the way to the Supreme Court. Pretty sure that was a bigger specticle

Even the lead Gore attorney in his book admitted they were lying and trying to get Bush votes rejected even though they were feeding the lie to the biased MSM that they just wanted every vote to count.

I do not see Trump as a disgrace. These threads need to be pulled on and pulled on hard. Too many statistically odd things right behind judicial led changes to standing election laws with millions of ballots floating in the public a square. If that does not make you feel uneasy then you are simply a partisan hack who is just happy his boy won. I am sure we are going to hear from you when the Republicans use this to their advantage.

I watch ZERO news. I usually just come on here and see what you women are cackling about and then go do some research and use my brain.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 10:07 AM Reply   
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No. You were just tooled into thinking that.

No really. Florida was razor close and got made fun of WRT hanging chads and the like, but nothing about an election being stolen like we are seeing now. Same with Hillary losing to Trump. Again not the public spectacle that Trump is creating.

If you didn't see it then it wasn't a public spectacle like what's happening now.

The bottom line is that if you don't see that Trump is a disgrace in his actions, then you've been watching too much Newsmax and OAN. News for idiots.
Also not the same spectical? You mean like the democrat created Russian Hoax. You mean that lack of spectical where democrats sat before the cameras daily trying to prove to us that Trump colluded with the Russians all based on a document created by the democrat party?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-01-2020, 10:35 AM Reply   
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The chad thing was a daily issue until around Dec 13th. All the way to the Supreme Court. Pretty sure that was a bigger specticle
Not even close to what's happening now. The whole Gore/Bush election boiled down to about 500 votes. That is razor thin and it's expected that there would be close scrutiny. Trump lost by a huge amount of votes and he's calling the whole election a fraud. Trump was calling the elections fraudulent back when he lost the popular vote to Hillary. Yet four years in he did nothing about it because there was nothing to be done. He could have pushed for a national database that could cull out duplicate votes and dead people voting but he did nothing because the insurance he wanted was to cry foul if he lost. He planned for it.

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I do not see Trump as a disgrace. These threads need to be pulled on and pulled on hard. Too many statistically odd things right behind judicial led changes to standing election laws with millions of ballots floating in the public a square.
Trump spent $3M to get Biden an extra 100+ votes. He's a lunatic. And his insanity is a fitting end to this thread. We knew he wasn't fit to be in the WH over 4 years ago.

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If that does not make you feel uneasy then you are simply a partisan hack who is just happy his boy won. I am sure we are going to hear from you when the Republicans use this to their advantage.
You didn't hear from me calling foul when Trump won. So just like everything else you say... You're wrong.


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I watch ZERO news. I usually just come on here and see what you women are cackling about and then go do some research and use my brain.
IOW, nothing in, garbage out.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 11:14 AM Reply   
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Not even close to what's happening now. The whole Gore/Bush election boiled down to about 500 votes. That is razor thin and it's expected that there would be close scrutiny. Trump lost by a huge amount of votes and he's calling the whole election a fraud. Trump was calling the elections fraudulent back when he lost the popular vote to Hillary. Yet four years in he did nothing about it because there was nothing to be done. He could have pushed for a national database that could cull out duplicate votes and dead people voting but he did nothing because the insurance he wanted was to cry foul if he lost. He planned for it.

Trump spent $3M to get Biden an extra 100+ votes. He's a lunatic. And his insanity is a fitting end to this thread. We knew he wasn't fit to be in the WH over 4 years ago.

You didn't hear from me calling foul when Trump won. So just like everything else you say... You're wrong.


IOW, nothing in, garbage out.
You can not call out a national database. Elections are ran by the states and the democrats gamed the election through the courts and flooded the market with ballots. You may as well have just dropped them from an airplane.

That is YOUR opinion on how and why he spent the money. Nothing more, nothing less.

I heard many of your democrat buddies say it. Kind of odd, ol Krugman says no democrats called Trump illegitimate..... WRONG.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyts-k...p-illegitimate

NYT's Paul Krugman falsely claims Democrats never called Trump 'illegitimate' president

Clinton, Lewis among prominent Democrats who called Trump illegitimate

Garbage out huh? I am only responding to your guys little sewing circle of daily TDS. If the foundation of the discussion is garbage, then we are only piling on.

Also, sorry for using the women references at you. Being a democrat, I know I should not simply assume your gender so I promise to mix in gender rolls while addressing you folks for now on. I only do it out of the upmost respect to your lack of understanding of science.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 11:25 AM Reply   
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How do you explain 300k higher deaths than expected?
This whole little deal reminds me of the lefts need for control.

Democrat 1: Uh, uh..... We need to create a problem that we can convince everyone that only a centralized government can fix so we can rule every part of peoples lives.

Democrat 2: how about the weather?

Democrat 1: Weather..... that's stupid.

Democrat 2: Well it is going to get hotter.

Democrat 1: So. We know this.

Democrat 2: Well they don't know this.

Democrat 1: What do you mean, it is literally in the history of the earths ice core samples.

Democrat 2: Yes, but the public does not know this nor are they smart enough to look. We simply keep telling them this is a problem caused by them and we tell them the only way to save them is to vote away their rights. By the time they figure it out, it is too late

Democrat 1: Brilliant

The reason it reminds me of it. The amount of people who are going to die compared to last year is almost exactly what the expected value higher vs last year, but they have convinced everyone to put their rights on hold for their safety by governors who believe they are the only ones who can save them as long as they put their rights away. Same playbook. The claim numbers that are happening anyway as proof that there is a crisis and only government can get them out of it.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       12-01-2020, 11:55 AM Reply   
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/networ...i-schools-open

Network newscasts ignore Dr. Fauci saying kids should be in school
ABC, NBC and CBS’ evening newscasts all skipped Fauci’s comment, according to Media Research Center

“While the broadcast networks spent Monday evening echoing Dr. Anthony Fauci’s complaints against fed up Americans spending Thanksgiving with their families, and CBS blasted Florida for keeping schools open, none of them shared his Sunday comments arguing that kids should remain in school and his admission that kids don’t spread the virus as much as they feared,” Media Research Center analyst Nicholas Fondacaro wrote.
Delta

You beat me to today’s post. In typical leftist fashion they choose to rely and demand we follow Fauci when the views line up with theirs, however when his science shines a glaring light on their stupidity , he no longer exists. I heard all day yesterday from our fatass, tyrant governor on how even though our positivity rates are dropping significantly we won’t move to a less restrictive phase for a long time. He quoted Fauci multiple times. Conveniently missing from his Fauci quotes were the instructions to open schools and lessen complete lockdowns . Weird how that works.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       12-01-2020, 12:23 PM Reply   
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Delta

You beat me to today’s post. In typical leftist fashion they choose to rely and demand we follow Fauci when the views line up with theirs, however when his science shines a glaring light on their stupidity , he no longer exists. I heard all day yesterday from our fatass, tyrant governor on how even though our positivity rates are dropping significantly we won’t move to a less restrictive phase for a long time. He quoted Fauci multiple times. Conveniently missing from his Fauci quotes were the instructions to open schools and lessen complete lockdowns . Weird how that works.
As far as failing to report, Trumps fake FOX expert quits. Dr. Atlas, OUT.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-01-2020, 1:04 PM Reply   
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/networ...i-schools-open

Network newscasts ignore Dr. Fauci saying kids should be in school
ABC, NBC and CBS’ evening newscasts all skipped Fauci’s comment, according to Media Research Center

“While the broadcast networks spent Monday evening echoing Dr. Anthony Fauci’s complaints against fed up Americans spending Thanksgiving with their families, and CBS blasted Florida for keeping schools open, none of them shared his Sunday comments arguing that kids should remain in school and his admission that kids don’t spread the virus as much as they feared,” Media Research Center analyst Nicholas Fondacaro wrote.
Kids don't spread it? I would like to see the science behind that assumption. They may not be as succeptable to it but they go home to their families. I was getting around 7 letters a day from our school about new cases before they went remote and things exploded locally. But hey. People die right......
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 2:08 PM Reply   
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Kids don't spread it? I would like to see the science behind that assumption. They may not be as succeptable to it but they go home to their families. I was getting around 7 letters a day from our school about new cases before they went remote and things exploded locally. But hey. People die right......


admission that kids don’t spread the virus as much as they feared,

There fixed. Hopefully that clears up your knee jerk reaction. The main point was the "news" completely ignored his recommendation in order to push a unified agenda again.

At our work, anyone who even has cold symptoms are presumed to have covid unless they subject themselves to a test to prove otherwise. usually someone says they are sick then get tested or they know someone who is sick and presumed until proven covid free. In almost all cases, the actual covid diagnosis is way after the people being sent home.

a page back is the discussion of the Chinese paper talking about extremely little to zero asymptomatic transmission of covid. They are all data points that need to be considered.

So, did these 7 people a day at your school die or were they just reported to have covid (based on what standard).
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       12-01-2020, 2:50 PM Reply   
This thread is a condensed version of the last 30 years of the descent of the republican party. Reasonable, common-sense-based conservatives like psudy getting jumped on by nutjobs like rod and mark. Sad.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       12-01-2020, 4:02 PM Reply   
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This thread is a condensed version of the last 30 years of the descent of the republican party. Reasonable, common-sense-based conservatives like psudy getting jumped on by nutjobs like rod and mark. Sad.
Actually you are a perfect example of the democrat led media.

Someone misrepresents the posted comment 2 fold. First the comment was about how the media completely ignored the recommendation by Faucci to keep kids in school so they can continue their narrative regardless of the facts expressed by the "expert" in the covid situation. Second, misrepresented the quote as Faucci saying that NO kids spread, when in fact he said there is LITTLE spread by children.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to point out the 2 flaws in the drive by comment and then ask for followup as it clearly is an emotional response in the first place.

This whole "jumping on" narrative is a perfect example of how low brow democrats and the disgraceful press frames discussions.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       12-01-2020, 6:03 PM Reply   
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Kids don't spread it? I would like to see the science behind that assumption. They may not be as succeptable to it but they go home to their families. I was getting around 7 letters a day from our school about new cases before they went remote and things exploded locally. But hey. People die right......
Apparently you missed the science yet again. It’s scientifically factual that the spread from kids to adults and adults to kids is almost zero. With the margin or error it’s statistically negligible completely.


How many of those kids died ? How many actually exhibited serious symptoms? So again the science doesn’t fall with your feelings here , so we must pretend it doesn’t I exist . Due to your dear millions of kids should be left behind educationally ? Spare me the remote learning crap. That also has been proven to be deviating to our youth. In a most recent study over 40% of remote learning students are failing. At least one class. Enrollments are at all time lows and the graduation rate will be at the lowest of its time. Teen depression is at an all time high. I suppose all those factors don’t matter either as long as you kid doesn’t test positive for a virus that as a less chance of liking them than a car crash on the way there. You want to keep
You kid home because of fear , feel free. The rest of them belong in a conducive learning environment developing the essential social and educational skills required to be a successful adult.







I suppose you’ll want some information

Austin ISD officials told the Tribune that school leaders are “committed to high standards of academic rigor” and working to “better serve” students with low averages or incomplete grades based on their individual needs. They did not respond to questions about whether Mitchell’s approach was supported by the district or whether 25% is an average failure number across the district this marking period. According to KVUE-TV, about 11,700 Austin ISD students are failing at least one class this year, a 70% increase from last year.


this week reported that the percentage of students with more than one failing grade this fall jumped to 29% from 19.7% in 2019, a nearly 50% increase. Mt. Diablo Unified School District in Contra Costa County reported a similar rise in high school students failing more than one grade — 30.66% from just over 19% the previous two academic years.

In Sonoma County, superintendents convened a special meeting last week after similar spikes — with 37% of students across its 10 districts with high schools having at least one failing grade compared to 27% at the same time last year.

At Healdsburg Unified School District, the number of high school students with D and F grades at this point in the fall roughly doubled to 39% from 20% in a typical year, said Superintendent Chris Vanden Heuvel.

“I was alarmed,” Vanden Heuvel said. “I reached out to other superintendents and found they were encountering the same thing.”

At Santa Rosa City Schools, Superintendent Diann Kitamura said they are seeing 30% to 50% more “F” grades this year than at the same time last year.

Fairfax County Public Schools released a report Tuesday showing an 83% increase in failing grades among middle and high school students. (Photo: FCPS ORSI)

The Guilford County school system reported that 40% of students failed at least one first quarter class compared to 29% the prior year. Guilford, which includes the city of Greensboro, is the third largest district in North Carolina, behind only Wake County and Charlotte Mecklenburg.

Around 35% of New Hanover County’s middle school students failed at least one first quarter course with the rate being as high as 40% at some high schools, the Port City Daily reported. Close to 50% of New Hanover’s Hispanic and Black students were failing one or more courses in middle and high schools compared to 22% of white students. New Hanover County is home to Wilmington.

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