TRUMP for Prez

Originally Posted by ralph

No that's more tin hattery. FBI didn't get the physical server but they had access and analysis of the content of the server digitally.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ess-dnc-serve/

And so it's clear in your mind:
The Russians did not hack the DNC. The DNC said the russians hacked them. Not the FBI.*
and a Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security explicity stating they are confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. Sit side by side no problem.

Confident or know for a fact? Just asking for a friend.

Originally Posted by wake77

Delta, was does any of this have to do with the indictments that are coming from Mueller? I would say everyone of the people charged are smart enough to know that perjury, lying to investigators, and tax evasion are all crimes. You act as though they are being charged with obscure crimes. This is nonsense.

Maybe you would be less compassionate about Mr. Dewitt if he shot and killed a bald eagle to have as his next meal. I would say most states have similar laws. In TN, they can arrest you for fishing without a license and they can arrest you for not releasing fish that don't meet harvesting requirements. The guy committed a crime no different that if a starving man walks into a store and steals a loaf of bread. While maybe they deserve some sympathy, a crime was committed, nonetheless.

Again, it's pretty cut and dry that Stone lied to Congress. Unlike Mr. Dewitt, Stone was advised that he was testifying under oath and lying is a crime.

It is not cut and dried that Stone lied to congress. He will have his day in court. If you read the details, I believe he is being charged with trying to influence.

Tax evasion. In many cases that is just a fine and a negotiation. Is Al Sharpton in prison? Doesn't he owe millions? why yes he does and why is Trump's guy in Jail and not Al? Politics:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/al-sharpton-taxes/

Sharpton himself owes New York state $806,875 and has federal liens for unpaid personal income taxes against him totaling $2.6 million, records show.

The Harlem-based NAN owed $813,576 to the federal government at the end of 2012, according to the most recent filings for the group.

Sharpton’s company, Rev-Al Communications, owes $447,826 to the state. His Bo-Spanky Consulting firm has only $18.21 in outstanding debt, according to state records.

Originally Posted by pesos

riiiiiiiiight

Nice. Do I have to bring the invite or just show my card at the door?

Originally Posted by wake77

If you call bringing up irrelevant points and refusing to answer direct questions "getting your rear ends handed to you", I guess. Here's the thing about Delta. We will wade through his BS and break apart any argument he uses. I used to respect Delta and the way he could counter-argue. Then he disappears for a few years and comes back with a brain that has be reprogrammed by Team MAGA. His arguments are now borderline psycho and he has shifted towards the Alex Jones/Infowars end of the spectrum. He has advocated for violence against the democratic party. So you want to hurt someone because they support a different party, all the while presenting himself as a follower of Jesus Christ? Hypocrisy at its finest. He will get pissed again, take his toys and run. Of course, then I'm sure you will come up with some excuse and still proclaim him to be the greatest. I will say that compared to you, Grant, Dennis, or Wombat, he does still resemble a someone sane and intelligent person. Hell, a person in a vegetative state has more reasoning skills than you and Grant.

Dude, I have been at this site since 2002. I did not come in blasting everyone during Obama. As far as democrats. You can F off. I hate your party and what you have become. You need to start looking around buddy. Your party has left you. You are now violent socialists. It just has not hit the midwest yet..

yea, 95, I'm hoping that he gets a couple of things done before he leaves, but I'm sure Nancy wont allow it....even if she secretly agrees.

The republicans have taken a bit of a hit with Trump, but some democrats have leaned waaaaaay left.

Hopefully we can get a government that is somewhere near or at the center

I'm thinking that the republicans should run someone new next time. My conservative friends are shocked at that idea.

I honestly think that it's going to be a bumpy ride for several years to come

Originally Posted by wombat2wombat

The good news is no one takes you serious! Not here or off here.

Hey Capt Obvious... didn't you know that's exactly what people think of you? You repeatedly accuse others of things that sound exactly like you are describing yourself. Did you get that from Trump?

Cliff, other than Bernie (who is a registered Independent) and a young woman who literally took office 2 weeks ago and for some reason has republicans freaking out, please demonstrate how the democrats have leaned waaaaaay left? Take a look at other countries in the world that have more than 2 parties if you want to see what left really means. Democrats - especially those that have wielded actual power like obama, schumer, and trump's "nancy" aren't too far left of center. They may just seem left given how far the gop has shifted to the right since the 90s.

Originally Posted by fly135

Hey Capt Obvious... didn't you know that's exactly what people think of you? You repeatedly accuse others of things that sound exactly like you are describing yourself. Did you get that from Trump?

That seems to be the MO - it's pretty hilarious. Mark constantly opines about "libral circle-jerks" then comes in like clockwork to give Delta the weekly reacharound...

Originally Posted by pesos

That seems to be the MO - it's pretty hilarious. Mark constantly opines about "libral circle-jerks" then comes in like clockwork to give Delta the weekly reacharound...

It relaxes me. What can I say. Mark is a good guy. Most of you are good guys with horrible ideas

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

It relaxes me. What can I say. Mark is a good guy. Most of you are good guys with horrible ideas

That you hate and condone violence towards

...running someone new....agree, trump is too divisive. A more neutral candidate would benefit repubs. But they wont leave trump.
IMO, the majority of America is more in the middle. Some Dems are too far left, not all or most. But, If the Dems only rep the poor, LBTGQ ( I dont even know all the initials lol) it will get old eventually. Take care of the middle 80% of America. It will be interesting to see what the Dems campaign on. I know LizWarren is going after big biz, im good with that. We need to share the wealth not keep it all at the top.

Plenty of repubs would be ok in their heart of hearts with being long rid of Trump... but they are afraid Pence might be caught up in it and that would usher in the evil era of...... PRESIDENT PELOSI.

Untenable.

Run Someone New LOL LOL LOL That's a good one. Mommy I don't like the way Daddy is telling me NO, I cant live in the basement until im 50. Mommy can you please find a new Daddy LOL

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Confident or know for a fact? Just asking for a friend.

As stated they have reviewed the evidence and are confident.

Oh, I have a find a friend question also, for you does the department of Homeland Security being confident that Russia hacked the emails = Delta thinks Russia did not hack the emails? Why? Is it some deep state stuff going on or something else?

Originally Posted by ralph

As stated they have reviewed the evidence and are confident.

Oh, I have a find a friend question also, for you does the department of Homeland Security being confident that Russia hacked the emails = Delta thinks Russia did not hack the emails? Why? Is it some deep state stuff going on or something else?

The DNC never turned over the server. They can't be sure of ****.

Originally Posted by ord27

shawn....
there are some jobs that aren't meant to be a primary source of income, and therefore a living wage.

washing dishes and busing tables is in no way shape or form a job meant to be able to buy a house on.
It's a kids job, or a stepping stone. Society needs to get over the notion that a McDonald's job should afford them rent on its own

That's crazy

one solution to health care and living wage, would be to drive down costs

why is there so much disparity between generic medicine costs and name brand?
why is a tube of teenage acne cream over $600.

Have you priced apartments lately? Or qualified for a mortgage?

crazy crazy crazy

Now I know what you are saying. And I’m not disinclined to disagree with you.

But what is your solution for the people (who are also voters) who are poor, whose parents were poor and their parents and their parents were poor? Who don’t have an education and cannot move up. Those folks are citizens too. What solution do you offer them, especially if/when they do have kids? Easy to say from our side “well shouldn’t have had those kids,” but they are here now. What are mom and dad (hopefully) to do to raise those kids?

How do low / no skilled folks actually get to a place where they can be born, live a fulfilling life, raise a family and die as a productive member of society?

And it’s not really fair (imho) to say “get an education.” Universal education and universal literacy are VERY new in the history of humanity. Poor dullards who couldn’t read or write have had a chance to live a basic modest (if hard) life for much of human history. Now we are sorta just throwing a whole segment of society away... too poor too dumb we don’t need ya. And those peeps who work at Walmart or whatever are on food stamps just to make ends meet.

I don’t know that raising the minimum wage is the exact right answer, but I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the idea out of hand without offering some kind of alternative.

There’s always UBI, but I don’t think that would be very popular among folks who are anti minimum wage increases. Nobody seems to be criticizing Alaska for adopting it tho, and Alaska is hella red, so maybe that’s an alternative?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

It relaxes me. What can I say. Mark is a good guy. Most of you are good guys with horrible ideas

I mean yeah good guys .... except for facilitating and condoning the violent overthrow of the government and all of the principles this country was founded upon. Good guys other than that.

The DNC probably leaked their own emails to Assange so that they could undermine Clintons campaign. WTF? Your circular conspiracy theory has your brain tied in knots.
They have sources, the national security departments are currently getting their Trump/Russia info from spying on the Kremlin because trump only meets alone with putin and refuses to tell what conversations took place. Dont know why we allow that, there is no upside for the USA. There is upside for trump and Russia. But lets get back to the important stuff. But Clinton....

Trump wins in 2020! Due to the run of Starbucks formidable independent candidate Howard Schultz, Trump wins the 2020 presidential race with 36% of the vote, followed by a close second with 35% of the vote is the democratic nominee, Billionaire Howard Schultz had 26% of the votes. It was predicted that the democrats would have won the race had Schultz not run as an Independent, elsewhere in news today, the stock market hit an all time high today of 36,000.

It was predicted that the democrats would have won the race had Schultz not run as an Independent,

by chance would this have been the same media outlets and pollsters that said Hillary would win by a landslide,

So per the libbies don't support Schultz even though he's a great candidate who if the left had any brains left would nominate him. But the left in all their wisdom falls back on " just get a Democrat, any democrat into office". Special sort of stupid doesn't even begin to describe the mental disorder that is liberalism. Just tow the party line! Don't matter who...killing me. If you don't want Trump back, put a candidate that can beat him. Harris, Warren, Biden aren't going to cut it.

I was hanging out with one of our retired employees, 85 yrs old. It was interesting to get his take on how the demonization of politicians really got bad when Kennedy was in office. And it was from what would be considered the further left of the democrats base at the time. He was loved by many hated by the rabid left for the sin of being catholic & they bashed him relentlessly. And it just kept going there from president to president after that. So basically it's all bull**** & we're wasting our time arguing about any of it & if it's going to get worse & worse every election cycle then you can bet eventually a lot more people are going to get hurt if cooler heads don't prevail.

Originally Posted by pesos

That you hate and condone violence towards

Eye for an Eye. Resist. Get in their faces. Go to their homes. Republicans should not be allowed privacy. I want to know who that teenager is and where he lives so we can dox him. Take to the streets. Conservatives have no right for freedom of speech.

Aren't those all things said by democrats in the last few years and even this weekend.

How many Republicans are going to be beat up in the streets, shouted down for simply speaking in public, shot a baseball practice, cars keyed for having a republican sticker, have to take off s shirt with an American Flag on it, have to deal with democrat riots in the streets, dealing with all out assault on our values from hollywood democrats and all out warfare invasion style supported by the democrats. At this point, I will not speak up for democrats if someone chooses to dish out what they have been getting from your people. I don't want it to happen, but I totally understand. It is going to happen in some capacity and it is your parties actions that is going to bring it on.

At a certain point, the democrats support of the invasion of the US in order to destroy the US sovreignty is an act of war in any other time in human history. How do you think people are going to respond when they know that your party is at war with the rest of the US?

Originally Posted by wombat2wombat

So basically it's all bull**** & we're wasting our time arguing about any of it & if it's going to get worse & worse every election cycle then you can bet eventually a lot more people are going to get hurt if cooler heads don't prevail.

Special sort of stupid doesn't even begin to describe the mental disorder that is liberalism.

So if I am reading these two posts right, there must be compromise or we are screwed, and by compromise you mean liberals being cured of their “mental disorder” and seeing things your way?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Eye for an Eye. Resist. Get in their faces. Go to their homes. Republicans should not be allowed privacy. I want to know who that teenager is and where he lives so we can dox him. Take to the streets. Conservatives have no right for freedom of speech.



Aren't those all things said by democrats in the last few years and even this weekend.



How many Republicans are going to be beat up in the streets, shouted down for simply speaking in public, shot a baseball practice, cars keyed for having a republican sticker, have to take off s shirt with an American Flag on it, have to deal with democrat riots in the streets, dealing with all out assault on our values from hollywood democrats and all out warfare invasion style supported by the democrats. At this point, I will not speak up for democrats if someone chooses to dish out what they have been getting from your people. I don't want it to happen, but I totally understand. It is going to happen in some capacity and it is your parties actions that is going to bring it on.



At a certain point, the democrats support of the invasion of the US in order to destroy the US sovreignty is an act of war in any other time in human history. How do you think people are going to respond when they know that your party is at war with the rest of the US?

But we’re good guys except for that.

Originally Posted by ralph

As stated they have reviewed the evidence and are confident.

Oh, I have a find a friend question also, for you does the department of Homeland Security being confident that Russia hacked the emails = Delta thinks Russia did not hack the emails? Why? Is it some deep state stuff going on or something else?

Hacking is usually a social interaction. Russia and the Chinese have a crap load of info on both parties. They have all that they need. At any given time, anyone can claim the Russians or the Chinese (French, Israel, yada, yada) have hacked or attempted to hack our servers. Any time of the week this will be true. It is part of the information warfare that has happened since any time in history even prior to computers. The government saying they did it is like saying water is wet. They only said Russia because it fits the talking point. It would be true of all the other agencies as well.

As far as deep state. Well you did have two Mueller prop agents fired for blantant bias against the sitting president. Not even a pretense of neutrality.

You also have the democrats continuing to fund a Steele report (who was also fired from the FBI payroll). They used that to get illegal warrants. I say illegal because the info was ot true in the dossier.

You tell me if it is deep state or not.

Hey. Do you know anyone that can tell me if that guy that Obama and Clinton went on national tv , blamed and then had arrested for the Benghazi YouTube video was released from prison yet? Not trying to tinfoil this up, but that seems a little Soviet style crap right there. Oh. How ironic, the exact same people the democrats IN OUR LIFE TIME asked to take down a sitting US president.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

. Do you know anyone that can tell me if that guy that Obama and Clinton went on national tv , blamed and then had arrested for the Benghazi YouTube video was released from prison yet? Not trying to tinfoil this up, but that seems a little Soviet style crap right there. Oh. How ironic, the exact same people the democrats IN OUR LIFE TIME asked to take down a sitting US president.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nako...sseley_Nakoula

Yes, it looks like the convicted meth manufacturer and check kiter was released in 2013 for his probation violations. For someone who is so worried about this poor guy you haven’t really kept up with his plight for the last 5 years, Delta.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

So if I am reading these two posts right, there must be compromise or we are screwed, and by compromise you mean liberals being cured of their “mental disorder” and seeing things your way?

I'm glad we are finally eye to eye.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nako...sseley_Nakoula

Yes, it looks like the convicted meth manufacturer and check kiter was released in 2013 for his probation violations. For someone who is so worried about this poor guy you haven’t really kept up with his plight for the last 5 years, Delta.

I am not the one who arrested him for the world to see over a no kidding lie. That would be the democrats. He did other things and paid for it. He did not deserve to be exposed to the entire muslim world over a government sponsored and media covered lie directly from the white house. That does not seem to both you people. Maybe I should back off the you are good people talk.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Eye for an Eye. Resist. Get in their faces. Go to their homes. Republicans should not be allowed privacy. I want to know who that teenager is and where he lives so we can dox him. Take to the streets. Conservatives have no right for freedom of speech.

Aren't those all things said by democrats in the last few years and even this weekend.

Yes, we get it. You're an extremist like those other nut cases. How does it feel to be like the people you hate? Or does your cognitive dissonance prevent you from having those feelings?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I am not the one why arrested him for the world to see over a no kidding lie. That would be the democrats.

Lol no actually he was arrested for violating the terms of his probation. Which you’d know if you read the stuff on the wiki link.

Off to go burn some tires!

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I am not the one who arrested him for the world to see over a no kidding lie. That would be the democrats. He did other things and paid for it. He did not deserve to be exposed to the entire muslim world over a government sponsored and media covered lie directly from the white house. That does not seem to both you people. Maybe I should back off the you are good people talk.

You don't seem to have any idea why he was arrested. And I really doubt you know the political affiliation of the people responsible for arresting him.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nako...sseley_Nakoula

Yes, it looks like the convicted meth manufacturer and check kiter was released in 2013 for his probation violations. For someone who is so worried about this poor guy you haven’t really kept up with his plight for the last 5 years, Delta.

Also, if you read the article, it was because of the video that they said he violated his probation. The only reason they said that was because of a white house coverup in which they laid the blame at him. This goes back to "show me the person and I will make the crime". Last I saw, creating videos and claiming a alternate user name is not a crime. Well, until the government wants to say it is.

Originally Posted by fly135

Yes, we get it. You're an extremist like those other nut cases. How does it feel to be like the people you hate? Or does your cognitive dissonance prevent you from having those feelings?

Those are words used by democrats bud. Why don't you tell me about your affiliations. You are the ones running around hating on everyone, beating everyone up. Getting in teens faces because of the hat he was wearing and then putting him on the news like he was doing something against humanity. Only to have holly celeberaties actively calling for his name and address so they can teach him a lesson. That was YOUR PARTY LAST Fing WEEK, fly. Why don't you talk about the people you hate. Republicans are not out there doing that and if they are it would be shown by your friendly media in 1 second. It is so bad, your people are making up stuff to try and show Republicans out doing things. Now it is down to if a Republican wears the wrong shirt or hat in public that you people think you can punch them in the face, show up to their table or go to their house. You tell me about your cognitive dissonance. You and the people you support are doing these things in your name.

One would think that this is isolated. Now your party is doubling down by wanting day of birth abortions in at least 3 states. They have a bill lined up in California now too.

You have active democrats pleading for mercy for American muslims who joined ISIS.

You have your massive womens march democrats who actively say and support anti semitics.

You have another running around saying if we don't tax the rich and turn green the earth will end in 12 years and this is your WW2. What kind of extremist talk is that? You realize the implications when you say that people in your party believe that if they don't go full Al Gore that they are all going to die? And that is something akin to the biggest most deadly shooting war in the history of man kind? Do you not hear the words coming out of your parties elected officials in the most powerful governing body in the free world?

You guys are already doing dangerous violent act toward Republicans and now you guys are doubling and tripling down on this an you are concerned that I don't care if people start defending themselves against you? Interesting.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Lol no actually he was arrested for violating the terms of his probation. Which you’d know if you read the stuff on the wiki link.

Off to go burn some tires!

I did read it. All they said he was arrested for violating his probation. They said that in regards to him making the videos. They did not say he was arrested for drugs or other crimes. It said he was arrested in the quip about the videos. How does making anti muslim videos constitute a violation of probation for drug crimes? Why would a petty drug criminal be shown on national TV during a presser with the Sec of State Clinton?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Those are words used by democrats bud. Why don't you tell me about your affiliations. You are the ones running around hating on everyone, beating everyone up.

Wow! you are a whack job!

Originally Posted by fly135

You don't seem to have any idea why he was arrested. And I really doubt you know the political affiliation of the people responsible for arresting him.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...i-patsy-091101

In the weeks after the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others, the Obama administration claimed the terrorist assault had been the outgrowth of a demonstration against the Nakoula video. The administration ran public service announcements in Pakistan featuring President Barack Obama saying the U.S. had nothing to do with it. In a speech at the United Nations around this time, the president declared — no doubt with Nakoula in mind — “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

After Benghazi, the administration was evidently filled with a fierce resolve — to bring Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to justice. Charles Woods, the father of a Navy SEAL killed in Benghazi, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told him when his son’s body returned to Andrews Air Force Base: “We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”

Originally Posted by fly135

Wow! you are a whack job!

Am I? you are the one who votes with these people. I can at least see they are dangerous and have performed violence against Republicans. You can not even admit it with over whelming evidence that it is happening. Who is the whack job. They one calling you on it or they one who will not admit it is happening?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Who is the whack job.

You are. That sort thing doesn't change with another post.

Originally Posted by 95sn

The DNC probably leaked their own emails to Assange so that they could undermine Clintons campaign. WTF? Your circular conspiracy theory has your brain tied in knots.
They have sources, the national security departments are currently getting their Trump/Russia info from spying on the Kremlin because trump only meets alone with putin and refuses to tell what conversations took place. Dont know why we allow that, there is no upside for the USA. There is upside for trump and Russia. But lets get back to the important stuff. But Clinton....

you realize the president can do very little without congressional support. Did Obama ever tell us what it it was that he would have more flexibility on after the election. That was supposedly a quiet moment away from others. If you are going to be upset by Trump then you need to be upset by all of them.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Those are words used by democrats bud. Why don't you tell me about your affiliations. You are the ones running around hating on everyone, beating everyone up. Getting in teens faces because of the hat he was wearing and then putting him on the news like he was doing something against humanity. Only to have holly celeberaties actively calling for his name and address so they can teach him a lesson. That was YOUR PARTY LAST Fing WEEK, fly. Why don't you talk about the people you hate. Republicans are not out there doing that and if they are it would be shown by your friendly media in 1 second. It is so bad, your people are making up stuff to try and show Republicans out doing things. Now it is down to if a Republican wears the wrong shirt or hat in public that you people think you can punch them in the face, show up to their table or go to their house. You tell me about your cognitive dissonance. You and the people you support are doing these things in your name.

One would think that this is isolated. Now your party is doubling down by wanting day of birth abortions in at least 3 states. They have a bill lined up in California now too.

You have active democrats pleading for mercy for American muslims who joined ISIS.

You have your massive womens march democrats who actively say and support anti semitics.

You have another running around saying if we don't tax the rich and turn green the earth will end in 12 years and this is your WW2. What kind of extremist talk is that? You realize the implications when you say that people in your party believe that if they don't go full Al Gore that they are all going to die? And that is something akin to the biggest most deadly shooting war in the history of man kind? Do you not hear the words coming out of your parties elected officials in the most powerful governing body in the free world?

You guys are already doing dangerous violent act toward Republicans and now you guys are doubling and tripling down on this an you are concerned that I don't care if people start defending themselves against you? Interesting.

Answer this, Delta. How come you feel that ANTIFA = Everyone that is a democrat? Do you feel it would be okay for me to say the Tiki torch marchers = Everyone that is a republican? That's the problem with you Trumpsters. You have turned discussions on issues into, "If you aren't for everything Donald Trump proposes, then you are a goddamned Commie Liberal." "Or if you don't think that every negative news story about Donald Trump is Fake News, then you are a full-blown Libtard." Everything is so black and white with you morons. You guys seem to think that the majority of this country is a Far-Right Conservative, when the truth is most are towards the center.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I did read it. All they said he was arrested for violating his probation. They said that in regards to him making the videos. They did not say he was arrested for drugs or other crimes. It said he was arrested in the quip about the videos. How does making anti muslim videos constitute a violation of probation for drug crimes? Why would a petty drug criminal be shown on national TV during a presser with the Sec of State Clinton?

Did you miss the part that said as a condition of his probation he was prohibited from using the inter webs without his P.O.’s sign off? He was also convicted on like $800k of financial fraud so they wanted him off of the internet.

Cmon man. Read the whole thing. It will take you 45 seconds.

Originally Posted by fly135

You are. That sort thing doesn't change with another post.

You are completely delusional. You just had your clock cleaned yet again and you'll keep embarrassing yourself with each new post until you stop and admit what he said is true. The things he talked about have all happened. The case with the high school kids recently was pure slander and a textbook case of bearing false witness. The left is pure evil with little hope.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

you realize the president can do very little without congressional support. Did Obama ever tell us what it it was that he would have more flexibility on after the election. That was supposedly a quiet moment away from others. If you are going to be upset by Trump then you need to be upset by all of them.

Well except that the list of Obama’s Russian offenses is that one incident (a nothingburger in trump-speak), vs. the 20 or so for trump I can name off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

you realize the president can do very little without congressional support. Did Obama ever tell us what it it was that he would have more flexibility on after the election. That was supposedly a quiet moment away from others. If you are going to be upset by Trump then you need to be upset by all of them.

This is the 4th and last time I will respond to your foolishness. When Obama said that the Russians were not attacking the USA. When trump stood on the stage in Helsinki he blamed the USA for Russian aggression, every single national security force had determined the Russians were attacking out elections, (much like they just said again this week) trump believed putin. When trump kneeled down to putin in Helsinki, mueller had days earlier indicted 12 Russians for LISTEN CLOSELY... HACKING THE DEMOCRATS EMAIL SERVER. That same week the Russian spy maria butina had been arrested. Even Fox and Friends turned on him after his embarrassing reach around.


You guys gonna bring up your dismal failure of a Benghazi investigation again? Contact your boi Trey Gowdy if you have issue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/benghaz...s-allegations/

Originally Posted by markj

You are completely delusional. You just had your clock cleaned yet again and you'll keep embarrassing yourself with each new post until you stop and admit what he said is true. The things he talked about have all happened. The case with the high school kids recently was pure slander and a textbook case of bearing false witness. The left is pure evil with little hope.

Dude, the only delusional one here is you. Are you just going to keep trying to blow Delta or are you going to actually contribute something to the conversation?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Am I? you are the one who votes with these people. I can at least see they are dangerous and have performed violence against Republicans. You can not even admit it with over whelming evidence that it is happening. Who is the whack job. They one calling you on it or they one who will not admit it is happening?

Damn, do you stereotype much? I guess you think every black guy is a gangbanger.

Originally Posted by markj

You are completely delusional.

Ironic coming from a dumba$$ like you. Only you morons think that you can accuse people of committing extreme acts of stupidity and violence simply because of the political party they joined. Which explains perfectly why you agree with that sort of thing. The level of discourse on this forum is beneath anyone who has a modicum of intelligence. It simply makes no sense to attempt to reason with you idiots. Which is why I don't bother.

I had to laugh... Earlier I was reading a post that seemed to be right leaning. The name of the poster was scrolled off the top. I thought that there is no one on the right in this forum who attempts, or even possibly could sound reasonable, so I was wondering who it was. Delta tries to sound reasonable, but he can't keep his depravity from working it's way into every post, so I still didn't know. Scrolled up and it turned out to be Shawndoggy.

Originally Posted by fly135

. Scrolled up and it turned out to be Shawndoggy.

Don’t tell the other comrades at the collective meeting. I’ll never hear the end of it.

Did any of you guys hear the freakonomics podcast with Andrew Yang? Totally worth a listen if you are curious about how the UBI folks think it could work. I’m not sold but I’m not as skeptical as I once was either.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/

More violent Gawd Dam democrats attacking and screaming racial and homophobic slurs at an actor. MAGA Country ******.(**** rhymes with baguette).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...sm/2719869002/

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Did any of you guys hear the freakonomics podcast with Andrew Yang? Totally worth a listen if you are curious about how the UBI folks think it could work. I’m not sold but I’m not as skeptical as I once was either.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/

Andrew Yang is a very interesting guy, I'm not sold on UBI but he has a lot of policies with interesting aspects.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

you realize the president can do very little without congressional support. Did Obama ever tell us what it it was that he would have more flexibility on after the election. That was supposedly a quiet moment away from others. If you are going to be upset by Trump then you need to be upset by all of them.

I guess the question is, were you upset by the way Obama was doing some sifty deal with Putin?

If so, you should be upset when trump goes out of his way too have undocumented meetings with Putin, otherwise you are just a hypocrite

Some form of UBI is the long term future for sure. Lots of tweaking to be done and probably decades off.

Interesting to see McConnell's refusal to entertain the idea of election day being a work holiday (or doing it on a weekend) like pretty much every other civilized nation in the world. Wonder what he's afraid of. To hear mark and fellow trolls tell it, only republicans work so this would be a huge boon for them.

Originally Posted by ralph

I guess the question is, were you upset by the way Obama was doing some sifty deal with Putin?



If so, you should be upset when trump goes out of his way too have undocumented meetings with Putin, otherwise you are just a hypocrite

Please explain how a single sentence which was immediately caught on a hot mic is the same as multiple one on one meetings lasting hours behind closed doors with all record of the meetings being confiscated and destroyed? How are those two things the same?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Please explain how a single sentence which was immediately caught on a hot mic is the same as multiple one on one meetings lasting hours behind closed doors with all record of the meetings being confiscated as destroyed? How are those two things the same?

Not the same but in the same ball park. Obama telling Putin he couldn't do something for him until after the election indicates if he did it before the voters wouldn't like it and there would be consequences at the polls. Sorry, that's sifty AF and anti-democratic. And with Russia, you shouldn't be doing favors for them.

How long until you guys invade Venezuela for an oil grab? Just saw Bolton on Faux business saying how delicious all that oil just sitting there was and how it would benefit America and Venezuela for him to get his salty mitts on it. Sounds legit, the middle east oil grab certainly worked out roses for those Arabs.

Originally Posted by ralph

Not the same but in the same ball park. Obama telling Putin he couldn't do something for him until after the election indicates if he did it before the voters wouldn't like it and there would be consequences at the polls. Sorry, that's sifty AF and anti-democratic. And with Russia, you shouldn't be doing favors for them.

“After my election I will have more flexibility”. That’s what he said.

I don’t know what “sifty” means but I am guessing from context you want me to think it’s bad.

This is a description of the reality of politics. If you don’t think that Americans expect absolutes during a campaign and accept compromise once elected you haven’t been watching long.

I mean in that light, is his statement more or less “sifty” than “... and Mexico is going to pay for it”?

Originally Posted by ralph

How long until you guys invade Venezuela for an oil grab? Just saw Bolton on Faux business saying how delicious all that oil just sitting there was and how it would benefit America and Venezuela for him to get his salty mitts on it. Sounds legit, the middle east oil grab certainly worked out roses for those Arabs.

Hard to say. USA is now a net exporter. Thing about the VZ oil is (AFAIK) that it takes special refinery processes which are only available here.

I don’t think ANYONE want to go to war in South America when gas prices are already so ridiculously low here.

Sifty is a bit like shady. Like if you have a mate who hits on your misses every time you leave the room and always drinks your last beer.

Don't hit me with some whataboutism, especially with anything to do with Trump. The sooner this partisan nonsense stops the better, you have to start judging behavior independently of wether they are your guy or not. I really respect obama but I think his class meant he got a free pass on some stuff he shouldn't. Drone strikes, fiscal irresponsibility, and this thing with Putin. But don't get me wrong, on balance I think he was a great president and in a different universe to Trump but the media gave him a mostly free ride because he was just so damn likable.

Originally Posted by ralph

Sifty is a bit like shady. Like if you have a mate who hits on your misses every time you leave the room and always drinks your last beer.

Don't hit me with some whataboutism, especially with anything to do with Trump. The sooner this partisan nonsense stops the better, you have to start judging behavior independently of wether they are your guy or not. I really respect obama but I think his class meant he got a free pass on some stuff he shouldn't. Drone strikes, fiscal irresponsibility, and this thing with Putin. But don't get me wrong, on balance I think he was a great president and in a different universe to Trump but the media gave him a mostly free ride because he was just so damn likable.

Drone strikes I don’t disagree.

Look, if access Hollywood was “litigated” by the voters, this medvedyev statement certainly was too.

And the whole topic was brought up by delta to justify whatever trump does with Russia. My point was that these things are not in the same universe.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

And the whole topic was brought up by delta to justify whatever trump does with Russia. My point was that these things are not in the same universe.

Oh I agree, different universe but the best way to deal with whataboutism is to move back to absolute morality rather than relative. If X does something and you immediately say oh but Y did it too, you just point out if you have a problem when Y did it you should have a problem when X does it also. If you don't then it's not really a problem or you are just a hypocrite. I'm interested to see if delta has any absolute standards or just partisan ones.

Originally Posted by ralph

Oh I agree, different universe but the best way to deal with whataboutism is to move back to absolute morality rather than relative. If X does something and you immediately say oh but Y did it too, you just point out if you have a problem when Y did it you should have a problem when X does it also. If you don't then it's not really a problem or you are just a hypocrite. I'm interested to see if delta has any absolute standards or just partisan ones.

The relative does matter tho. Mr x drive 5 over the speed limit mr y drives 50 over. Why is it ok to defend Mr x and condemn Mr y?? Because those two things aren’t really the same at all. 1 is a little careless maybe, the other is reckless and putting innocents in significant peril.

Yes, I Agree it matters, just a difference in style i guess rather than get mired down in "oh it's just as bad" just let the past stay in the past, focus on the present and defuse the whataboutism.

Originally Posted by wake77

Dude, the only delusional one here is you. Are you just going to keep trying to blow Delta or are you going to actually contribute something to the conversation?

^DERP!!! Time to get a mirror. You contribute ZERO yourself. Delta brought up the story that I posted last week.

Besides, I guarantee I make people laugh. It's clear you and most other libtards here hang on this thread and take it so seriously because you have no real lives. You're all walking cliches.

Hey where's our jester/punching bag plhorn? Did I put a conscience in him for stealing from his employer or did his employer finally bust him? Oh, maybe fake77 is right behind, replacing him.

Just like roaches. There's always another one right behind em... LOL

Originally Posted by wake77

Dude, the only delusional one here is you. Are you just going to keep trying to blow Delta or are you going to actually contribute something to the conversation?

LOL Are you gonna keep blowing fly? It's so funny that you're too obtuse to see your own hypocrisy in the middle of your own post!!! PRICELESS! This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Originally Posted by fly135

Ironic coming from a dumba$$ like you. Only you morons think that you can accuse people of committing extreme acts of stupidity and violence simply because of the political party they joined. Which explains perfectly why you agree with that sort of thing. The level of discourse on this forum is beneath anyone who has a modicum of intelligence. It simply makes no sense to attempt to reason with you idiots. Which is why I don't bother.

I had to laugh... Earlier I was reading a post that seemed to be right leaning. The name of the poster was scrolled off the top. I thought that there is no one on the right in this forum who attempts, or even possibly could sound reasonable, so I was wondering who it was. Delta tries to sound reasonable, but he can't keep his depravity from working it's way into every post, so I still didn't know. Scrolled up and it turned out to be Shawndoggy.

So you're not gonna condemn what the entire media did to those kids wearing the MAGA hats, Delta is depraved and Shawndoggy is leaning to the right now. You DID just go off the deep end! Wow! Good luck coming back from that.

Originally Posted by markj

So you're not gonna condemn what the entire media did to those kids wearing the MAGA hats, Delta is depraved and Shawndoggy is leaning to the right now. You DID just go off the deep end! Wow! Good luck coming back from that.

I saw several media outlets (most that you would classify as MSM) come out after viewing the other videos and admit there was more to the story. What else are they supposed to say?

Those "kids" were there to participate in a Pro-Life event, not a Trump rally. A confrontation like that could have resulted in a violent outcome with one of those "kids" being hurt. Any adult that let that continue was in the wrong.

One thing is for certain, anyone wearing a MAGA hat is a giant douchebag.

Originally Posted by grant_west

by chance would this have been the same media outlets and pollsters that said Hillary would win by a landslide,

Nope, CNBC, very right leaning media. Schultz would have been a formidable democratic candidate, but I believe Schultz thinks he is too moderate to get the democratic nomination, so he is going independant.

Originally Posted by markj

So you're not gonna condemn what the entire media did to those kids wearing the MAGA hats...

Nah, I'm used to it. I'm not a snowflake like you.

Originally Posted by fly135

You are. That sort thing doesn't change with another post.

deny, deny, deny Fly. Who's party is doing these 1930's Germany actions and talk? You support these people with your vote and your defense of them. You guys are on here every day talking about Trump supporters. We all know he is a loud mouth but he was the only one running for President that was for our country first. That is where things have to start. You and your democrat friends are tripling down on bringing back the 1930's.

Originally Posted by ralph

I guess the question is, were you upset by the way Obama was doing some sifty deal with Putin?

If so, you should be upset when trump goes out of his way too have undocumented meetings with Putin, otherwise you are just a hypocrite

Neither bothered me in the fact that Presidents have meetings with hundreds of people a year and you and I know NOTHING of those meetings or the words discussed. I know from policy that the democrats were doing everything they could to sell the USA to the world through Trade pacts and environ-nazi policies. I can see those as they were openly debated. Until there is a major policy that is way out of wack, then there can be debate. You guys are just sewing circle jerking this thing when your guy did it too. So no, I don't care if the president has any sort of meeting because they have done it for ever.

Obama's was troubling in that he was actively pursuing policy to offload America's wealth to the rest of the world and was actually caught on a hot mic basically saying he will give the Russians something after an election. That did not even move Americans ears up.

BTW, Trump is backing out of our Nuke Treaty with Russia. How is that for soft and giving Russia what they wanted.

Originally Posted by wake77

I saw several media outlets (most that you would classify as MSM) come out after viewing the other videos and admit there was more to the story. What else are they supposed to say?

Those "kids" were there to participate in a Pro-Life event, not a Trump rally. A confrontation like that could have resulted in a violent outcome with one of those "kids" being hurt. Any adult that let that continue was in the wrong.

One thing is for certain, anyone wearing a MAGA hat is a giant douchebag.

Well, for starters they could have done what they were actually hired to do and report the news. Instead, they smelled blood in the water so they lost their minds as usual and reported a lie about their enemy. Truth be damned. They don’t care about truth. They haven’t in decades. It’s so bad that we don’t really even have a MSM. It’s just a bunch of liberal activists who have WAY too much access to cameras and microphones.

What’s wrong with those kids wearing a MAGA hat while attending a peaceful, pro-life political rally? Am I a bad guy if I wear an Iration concert shirt to a Rebelution concert? If I see some doofus while driving with a Hillary or Bernie sticker on their car, I don’t go bullying them or cutting them off in my lifted CTD Ram.

Originally Posted by wake77

Answer this, Delta. How come you feel that ANTIFA = Everyone that is a democrat? Do you feel it would be okay for me to say the Tiki torch marchers = Everyone that is a republican? That's the problem with you Trumpsters. You have turned discussions on issues into, "If you aren't for everything Donald Trump proposes, then you are a goddamned Commie Liberal." "Or if you don't think that every negative news story about Donald Trump is Fake News, then you are a full-blown Libtard." Everything is so black and white with you morons. You guys seem to think that the majority of this country is a Far-Right Conservative, when the truth is most are towards the center.

I feel that ANTIFA and all the issues that I have spelled out make you guys dangerous. There is a point that your party is so far off the range that you have now become party of destroy America first. Every single policy put forth from the party is get as many illegals into the country as fast as possible so you can have generational votes, try and destroy the family which many of the democrat policies have done, wage class and race warfare, put forth infacide abortion policies that impact minorities the most which is consistent with your old KKK ways, share the wealth treaties and enviornmental share the wealth schemes and so on.

This is not about just a single march with some tiki tourch idiots. Your party and your march in the street leaders literally say out loud they hate Jews and Israel. This is a continous eroding culture. This is not an isolated group of idiots that neither side will claim. You party supports these ANTIFA types in the school systems. They actually let the kids out of class to go riot in the street in California. Matter of fact one of the people arrested for assult and battery was literally one of the teachers in one of these riots.

Instead of discussing issues, all the democrats do is scream at everyone with a different opinion and call them a racists. Your party is moving exactly where the marxists have wanted it to go. The 60's radicals like Bill Ayers and company are getting the America they wanted and once you lose Texas to the illegals, there will be no stopping the march to socialism. After socialism by the vote comes marxism by the gun because people really don't want to be the same that want to be free.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

The 60's radicals like Bill Ayers and company are getting the America they wanted and once you lose Texas to the illegals, there will be no stopping the march to socialism. After socialism by the vote comes marxism by the gun because people really don't want to be the same that want to be free.

Oh the irony. The America of Bill Ayers time conscripted kids fresh out of high school "by the gun" and sent them to their death in an Asian country half way around the world. They weren't even old enough to have voted for any representation in their own govt.

Originally Posted by 95sn

This is the 4th and last time I will respond to your foolishness. When Obama said that the Russians were not attacking the USA. When trump stood on the stage in Helsinki he blamed the USA for Russian aggression, every single national security force had determined the Russians were attacking out elections, (much like they just said again this week) trump believed putin. When trump kneeled down to putin in Helsinki, mueller had days earlier indicted 12 Russians for LISTEN CLOSELY... HACKING THE DEMOCRATS EMAIL SERVER. That same week the Russian spy maria butina had been arrested. Even Fox and Friends turned on him after his embarrassing reach around.


You guys gonna bring up your dismal failure of a Benghazi investigation again? Contact your boi Trey Gowdy if you have issue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/benghaz...s-allegations/

Not sure your paragraph makes sense. Wasn't Obama running around appologizing to every world body including the UN that everything in the world was America's fault?

When did the Russians attack out of the elections? What are you even talking about.

Why won't you talk about Obama saying he would have more flexibility out of the election. Then drawing lines in the sand and literally did nothing in Ukraine (which was trying to join NATO if I recall) and nothing in Syria? I don't seem to remember your outrage at that time.

You really should call what your trying to do with the real issue.

You are looking for Confirmation Bias. You came out strong on Trump because you knew he would come down hard on your future democrat voting block and you have not stopped. Just like the others did with Bush on this board, it was day 1 24/7 complaining before 1 policy came out. You and others were new to politics and don't understand how each party tries to set up the other party. In this case you finally got a piece of understanding and running around like chicken little. OMG the Russians, the Russians. You did not give one crap about the Russians, Chinese (who Clinton sold our rocket secrets to directly against the will of congress in a very public fashion and gave them most favored trade status which has help degrade our economy and have given a great communist power great power), Mexico sending their poor to help vote Mexico centric policies and so on. I don't buy your Trump rantings because they are not consistent with every single thing the other presidents have done in the history of politics. Sorry. Don't buy it.

Originally Posted by fly135

Oh the irony. The America of Bill Ayers time conscripted kids fresh out of high school "by the gun" and sent them to their death in an Asian country half way around the world. They weren't even old enough to have voted for any representation in their own govt.

That was not what Ayer's and his ilk were about though. They and their academic brethren want a borderless world. Just like Ted Turner, Soros and many, many other top democat power players.

There is only two ways to look at this. It is very simple. Either you want America to have it's constitution and it's sovreignty or you don't. There are no other options. All the major democrats have literally said out loud that their goal is to desolve our border. It can not be any clearer. It IS the public record. The policies have followed. There is no mistaking the policies. All the treaties enacted and proposed has America giving up it's rights on the world stage and moving resources and capital out of the country.

That is why this discussion get's simple for one box or the other. I am against the UN period. If America does not have a border, then we simply do not have a US or the protections of the constitution. End of story. All these other arguments that we are having right now will not matter. We would all be living in Phil's authoritarian dream.

Originally Posted by ralph

How long until you guys invade Venezuela for an oil grab? Just saw Bolton on Faux business saying how delicious all that oil just sitting there was and how it would benefit America and Venezuela for him to get his salty mitts on it. Sounds legit, the middle east oil grab certainly worked out roses for those Arabs.

I thought we did that in Iraq? Leftist wrong yet again. We already are their biggest customer. 40% of all their oil is sold to the US. US has some of the largest reserves in the world. I have said this for a very long time. You really believe that Canada and Mexico has a crap load of oil but nature magically skipped America? We are playing the long game bud. Use everyone elses oil first. Besides, we have increased production so much that OPEC can not even hold power over anyone now. Their economies are so dependent on oil only that we control the flow. They lower production we raise it until they collapse.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Drone strikes I don’t disagree.

Look, if access Hollywood was “litigated” by the voters, this medvedyev statement certainly was too.

And the whole topic was brought up by delta to justify whatever trump does with Russia. My point was that these things are not in the same universe.

It was brought up to point to your lack of consistency of outrage. Most of the Trump stuff is because he is a republican. How many anti American movies did Micheal Moore make during Obama. How many magically are made during Bush and Trump? You don't think the policies were pretty much the same during Obama? Most of this is because your party is not in power. I get it, but your collective inability to see it is alarming. I have not seen a policy yet that Trump did not promise during the election regarding Troops and wars. He held the democrats view of them. Obama was saying one thing and allowing the Russians to do another. With Trump you only have what you want to believe. With Obama was saw the actions and heard the sound byte. Obama was the bird in hand, Trump is the two in the bush.