Can we have a separate category for cable?

Ok I don't mean to hate but every time I see a thread about a crazy trick just to find out that it is on cable, it annoys me. I'm sorry but a pre spun 12 off a kicker doesn't do it for it me, I'd rather watch stomped out 180's off the wake.

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we need a separate category for cable stuff.

/rant

Don't be a downer.

Wake awards needs a separate category.

srs business

Logan, I agree.

I agree

ABSOLUTELY WHOLEHEARTEDLY ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH LOGAN.

100%

Please can we have a cable boarding forum orphan from this? Yeah, orphan.

This is needed and it annoyes me too. Seriously. The Swedish/Sweden (or Swiss as it was said ha ha) is like the only exception I can think of, but it is also the best cable video short maybe ever to be put online and would have been posted in wakeboarding forums anyway. I, me, I do NOT care, personally about 'Matty Hasler's 1260' or Tom Fooshe's thing or seriously anything else. I don't. SORRY.

100% agree.
100%

Glad someone said it. But put me first (ok, second) in line for WakeWorld fans who are really truly wanting for this.

Please can we have a cable boarding forum?

"Old man waterskiier" used to talk about wakeboarding like this...It didn't go to well for him.

Embrace it as a new and exciting aspect of the sport. I have ridden wake for 16 years and cable for only one (I rode once or twice a year before) and it has greatly influenced my wake riding for the better. Even if you don't have a park near you, you should appreciate it. It is a great opportunity to evolve your outlook on the sport.

As a wake specialist, I would rather embrace it now than battle it (for technology, sponsors, growth) later.

Old man wakeboarder here. Haaaayyy!

Not the right comparison. You could have said the same thing about wakeskating a few years ago when it was getting meteoric rise in participants.
DIFFERENT. They are different.

Actually the problem really is about mixing progression in wake vs progression in cable. I too am sick of seeing the overblown bulls**t with cable threads. If someone does something brand new or historic off a kicker, with a cable, it does not mean that the trick has been done in the sport of WAKEboarding. It means that they did it on a kicker, with a cable, while cable boarding. Maybe that's being reductive but I don't care. Call me old if you want. I see beneifts of cable too. Nice training aid, and nice for learning repetitive/trainable tricks. Nice if there is no boat present or accesible. Looks like fun.

I've been fortuante enough to ride behind a boat and cable system and I could easily say that its almost two different sports entirely from the way youre pulled, to how it feels, to how edging is and all that nonsense.

^^^ I have been fortunate like that too and I agree with you, and that factors into why I feel the way that I do.

Just a separate section like Wakeboard Discussion, and Boats and Accessories, etc.

Although I do like both boat and cable, I agree there are too many differences between the two to consider them the same.

The comparison is dead-on and I am probably older than you.

Seperate sections are fine by me. Negative attitudes are not.

i think we need a seperate section for boat forums. Too much anxiety over seeing a thread and then finding out its just about some guy riding boat. I wanna see more cable and less boat.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

The comparison is dead-on and I am probably older than you.

Separate sections are fine by me. Negative attitudes are not.

Sorry junior. Checked your profile out. I'm older than you. I'm 36 years old-fartingly-old.

"Can we have a separate category for cable?"

A reasonable request in my opinion, but the subject is too emotionally charged to expect typical humans to discuss it reasonably.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

The comparison is dead-on and I am probably older than you.

Seperate sections are fine by me. Negative attitudes are not.

Exactly. Just because we want to separate cable riding from wake riding doesn't mean we're hating on cable. I friggen love cable and ride way more cable than boat, but I think it's important to separate achievements in cable from achievements in wake.

I'm all for getting cable separated.

And I'm way older than both of you...

You guys are old.

I don't oppose a separate section. Just after reading a few posts I don't understand the fiery opinions. I don't see how embracing both is not the best approach.

I wasn't calling anyone old, it was more a statement about being hard-headed to change. Yeah, saying I was older was a bit silly.

i dont think anybody is really hating on cable, i would love to try it. However to me it is more annoying to come across a cable thread in general wake than a wakeskate thread, because wakeskate threads are usually pretty obvious but a cable thread title always come off as a regular wake trick then you see it is a cable trick and it's irritating because had you known it was on cable you probably wouldn't have clicked it if you didn't care to see a cable trick.

No disrespect to the cable guys

+1 for making a separate thread. I love both and respect cable as much as boat but they are just different. They have separate tours and such. No question that they are both beneficial to each other. I don't think Adam, Jimmy, Shane and those guys would be practicing doubles of the kicker if it wasn't going to help them learn for off the wake.

Agree 100% too........................Baseball vs. Softball. Same in so many ways, but different in just as many.

I'm for not having so many sections that you isolate a small group of people into a bunch of individual sections. It's still wakeboarding, whether you appreciate it or not. I say leave it the way it is. Read around the cable posts if you don't like them. It's pretty easy to distinguish a cable thread from a boat thread anyway.

And what about the ASU rail jam thread? Where are you going to put that? Or do you add another section for winching and rail jams?

Originally Posted by jarrod

And what about the ASU rail jam thread? Where are you going to put that? Or do you add another section for winching and rail jams?

The cable thread will take em, cause they aren't so anal. So what happens when the cable/boat riders start posting their boat videos and discussions in the cable section? Are the boat riders going to complain about that too?

Seems to me that these threads always pop up after a bunch of cable videos are posted. Maybe the problem is the lack of people shooting behind the boat videos rather than too many cable videos.

Originally Posted by fly135

The cable thread will take em, cause they aren't so anal. So what happens when the cable/boat riders start posting their boat videos and discussions in the cable section? Are the boat riders going to complain about that too?

Seems to me that these threads always pop up after a bunch of cable videos are posted. Maybe the problem is the lack of people shooting behind the boat videos rather than too many cable videos.

boat videos shall be coming soon trust me maybe some cable ones too!

Originally Posted by jarrod

It's pretty easy to distinguish a cable thread from a boat thread anyway.

No it isn't and that's the problem. Maybe some are distinguishable but a huge amount are not. Otherwise people wouldn't make a stink, myself included.

Who really cares. It's all wakeboarding in the end. My god everyone on here seems to get there panties in knots over the smallest $h!t, this is getting ridiculous. Dave why don't you just dismantle the forums all together so the adults don't have to come on here and see the little school girls complain about every little thing. If you don't like cable videos watch them for 5 seconds and then exit out of them. Problem solved, wow you lost 5 seconds.

The same could go with the Darin Shapiro post. Why isn't that in the non wakeboarding forum? I don't care to read about his legal troubles. It has nothing to do with wakeboarding currently so why is it in the wakeboarding discussion forum.

All of these crybaby threads are getting ridiculous. Here's an idea Dave why don't you start a complaint forum so all of the females who feel like it is their duty to complain about every GD thing can go post in there so that the real adults don't have to get drug into this high school bickering all of the time. People really need to get over themselves.

Jeez it must bum you out big time to know deep down that cable and 2.0 systems are going to be the catalyst for taking wakeboarding to the next level

thats what I am saying. If wakeboarding is going to reach the masses it won't be solely by boat. Cable systems are going to bring our sport to the forefront. So it seems like these kooks don't care about the sport at all they just care about their viewing pleasure. I am just tired of all the hating on this site it is out of control. if our sports future was up to the folks who post on these forums we would become inline skating.

I guess these people don't really understand how much money the pros in other action sports make compared to the pros in our sport make. Our pros don't make anything compared to other action sports. So the more people we get involved the more our sport appeals to the masses then the more sponsorship money there will be i.e. the more money to be thrown around all together. Cable is going to be the way that our sport does reach the masses. Not everyone can afford a boat or may even have a lake or river or creek to ride in, however a man made lake can be dug and a cable system can be put wherever which will equal growht that without cable wouldn't happen. Open up your minds people.

Jsweat, you come and call others crybabies and little girls but yet you rant and rave about them complaining. If u don't like others opinions you don't have to post.

they are not two different sports!! WTF? is snowboarding in the park different from hiking the backcountry? yes its different, but it doesn't change that fact that it is the same thing, Wakeboarding is riding a 'wakeboard' when being pulled across the water by a winch, boat, cable, car, ATV, etc.

don't make this a huge issue..

I'm with the OP on this one. I think the best way to decide is to make a poll and let the WW members vote. It's not gonna make my world come crashing down if there is a separate category for cable or if there isn't lol.

I AGREE WITH JSWEAT! cable is going to show people who have never been exposed to wakeboarding because even a crap boat costs a lot of money, and then there's insurance, the drive to the lake, the third. etc. we should be embracing cable and the growth it brings. All you rich kids with their daddys inboard boat can shove it.

Chase I'm just shedding some light that people are tired of everyone acting like spoiled brats.

Just embrace the cable whether you like it or not it is great for our sport. I mean the object is to grow the sport.

yeahhh

We do need the different forum. We'd benefit from a split.

The problem really is about mixing progression in wake vs progression in cable. Personally I am sick of seeing the overblown bulls**t with cable threads. If someone does something brand new or historic off a kicker, with a cable, it does not mean that the trick has been done in the sport of WAKEboarding. It means that they did it on a kicker, with a cable, while cable boarding. Maybe that's being reductive but I don't care. Call me old if you want. I see beneifts of cable too. But it absolutely is not the same sport. Cable boarding is not the same a s behind the boat wakeboarding. It just isn't.

Seriously, I would like to see how the barefoot waterskiiers deal with boom & 5 foot leader line barefooting, and how it relates to their sport. Because I have always seen cable as the boom barefooting of wake.

I don't think you would benefit from a split. If you look at the front page of the forum it goes back 3 weeks. That's not a lot of activity wrt starting new posts. Split the forum and it's going to look pretty dead. Cable boarding is very much the same as behind the boat.

I say in addition, we have a "Heelside Only" forum. This would be for people that only hit the wake from the heelside. This is where you could find the majority of the "boat riders" that are advocating seperate boat and cable forums.

By saying cable is the boom barefooting of wake you are insinuating cable as being easier. We all know boom barefooting is easier. However cable is definitely not easier.

Originally Posted by juniorhawk

Sorry junior. Checked your profile out. I'm older than you. I'm 36 years old-fartingly-old.

I'm having a hard time believing you're 36: 56 or 66, I might believe. You sound like a dinosaur.

Perfect post wake77

Maybe you guys would see more boat videos if you actually moved out of states where you only get the boat out for 4-6 mos.

And to whoever made a comment about Tom Fooshee and cable riding...I'll put down $1k that he'll embarass you behind a boat!

Originally Posted by jsweat

By saying cable is the boom barefooting of wake you are insinuating cable as being easier. We all know boom barefooting is easier. However cable is definitely not easier.

Oh yes absolutely that's how I feel. Let me make this even easier for you. Take the concept of "insinuating" out of it. Straight up, yes for apples to apples comparisons, I'd say cable is an easier, more approachable sport by a nautical mile. Scratching my head to think of more than a handful (categories, actually) of tricks that are aren't easier to learn on cable - owing to the angles involved and the repetition cable offers. I don't think that's even the point. But yes I meant what I said regarding the boom barefooting comparison. Absolutely.

Originally Posted by LR3w8kbrdr

And to whoever made a comment about Tom Fooshee and cable riding...I'll put down $1k that he'll embarass you behind a boat!

Yeah? Well who gives a s#it? That was me who said it and I was referring specifically to a thread from maybe... last year? I think it was about him being in a trick of the year thread or something. Probably too obscure. I meant something pretty specific there. But yeah, I am 100% positive, or 1000$ positive as you said, that he'd annihilate me behind the boat. Not the point.

How about a simple cable and boat "tag" for threads in this forum... that way you would know before clicking it was a cable vid/photo/etc or something behind a boat... heck, throw a winch in there too.

Originally Posted by juniorhawk

Oh yes absolutely that's how I feel. Let me make this even easier for you. Take the concept of "insinuating" out of it. Straight up, yes for apples to apples comparisons, I'd say cable is an easier, more approachable sport by a nautical mile. Scratching my head to think of more than a handful (categories, actually) of tricks that are aren't easier to learn on cable - owing to the angles involved and the repetition cable offers.

Just top give you a point of reference between cable and boat... A buddy of mine who is very good on the cable threw a raley his first time out on the boat. And it was a boat with a fairly poor wake. So there is in fact a lot of crossover and similarities between the two. I rode behind the boat for 5 years before OWC was built. I see the two as the same sport. Only having both expands the challenges and add things to do.

IMO David would be smart to ignore a call for splitting the forum. However he might try leaving this as-is and throwing up a "Boat Only Wakeboard" forum as test so you guys would watch a big fail.

^ agree with nick, and i've lost all respect for juniorhawk.

SMH... Truthfully both boat and cable are the same, you can hit kickers and rails with either and you are still on a board. Im not advocating a split, but to me, the legitness of a trick differs on cable than that of boat being that you cant spin off the wake like you can off the kicker. This is the only problem i see here. Neither one is easier than the other. Neither is better than the other. They are both important for the sport. The only thing i see different is the way tricks should be judged, for instance, Matt's 1260 off the cable, I sough a 1080. You cant spin a 180 off the wake behind a boat. If you judge tricks like you would behind a boat I feel that this Argument would not even be present.

In regards to Matt's 1260, I still give him props because im not even close to landing a 1080.

I agree with the OP but I think this thread has gotten out of control and personal. Most of us realize that cable is legitimate and definately is pushing the sport and opening up wakeboarding to more of the masses. I just think its getting so big that it now requires a separate forum, just like wakeskating and surfing.

I would rarely visit the cable forum because I live in lame california and we have very limited access to cables, so we ride boat. I want to watch boat and do not want to watch cable or participate in the discussions because I have nothing of value to offer.

either way, separate or together, I will still frequent this forum because I find it very valuable and entertaining. Oh, and that cable video with the sweeds... sickest cable video i have ever seen

Originally Posted by johnny_defacto

...I will still frequent this forum because I find it very valuable and entertaining. Oh, and that cable video with the sweeds... sickest cable video i have ever seen

Seconded. So entertaining here. I like people who aren't too timid to state their opinions clearly. I agree with Erik about cable vs wake for what it's worth. It is easier, at a very basic level, with accessibility, the angle, and repetition. Anyone disputing that is f*c*ing kidding themselves. Like it or not he's right. But anyway. Also agree with johhny_defacto that the cable video mentioned is the best cable video ever. Love this place. Ha ha! Lively.

There are only 10 active threads today, including this one! If you separate cable (Swiss Crew Video) there would be 9. Seriously......this is blown out of proportion. This is about boat riders hating cable, which is lame.

"No it isn't and that's the problem. Maybe some are distinguishable but a huge amount are not. Otherwise people wouldn't make a stink, myself included. "

For me, cable threads are super easy to spot. I know that when I see something like "Matt Hasler Lands a 1260" that it's a cable thread. I mean, it's pretty obvious.

There's not a 'Huge amount" to begin with.

This a good thread..lol.. People are taking this way to serious, it is only a click of the mouse and you are out of the thread, so who cares.. I dont ride cable very often but its nice to see that the sport is still evolving.. So if I had a vote I would say just keep things as they are..

For the record I wasn't hating on cable, I'd like to ride cable some day I just think it should have a separate category focused towards cable. After all there are board companies making hoards geared towards cable only now.

"All you rich kids with their daddys inboard boat can shove it."

I'm learning wakeboarding and wakesurfing and my family and I have all enjoyed it thus far. I was told by some others when trying to find places to learn and grow in the sport that this forum is filled with people with attitudes and acting like a bunch of high school cliques and comments like the above clearly make that point. It's childish and inane. Not that anyone here would miss me if I or other beginners left, but this kind of crap drives a lot of people away. I was over 40 before I could afford my first boat and have worked my rear end off to get here. The "we're the 99%" crap is just lame. Get a job, work hard, and buy your own boat, or not if you prefer, but don't get your panties in a wad because someone else can afford something you can't.

Originally Posted by logan

For the record I wasn't hating on cable, I'd like to ride cable some day I just think it should have a separate category focused towards cable.

Well this is the wakeboarding forum. People who ride the cable consider it wakeboarding, so this is the correct forum. It sounds like you want a "boat only wakeboarding" forum. David should make one so you guys who feel this way can hang out with the tumbleweeds in your lonely forum.

I usually don't bite on threads on here anymore just because of the bickering bull**** that goes on.. I have been riding for about 8 years.. I have never owned my own boat.. even though I would love to one day.

I live in TX. We are blessed enough to be within reason of quite a few cable parks. I am a cable only rider. I would loooovvee to have rich spoiled friends with their daddys boat that could take me out everyday. But thats not the case.

Logan.. Not that I want to hit you directly.. But.. You started this conversation without ever even RIDING a cable. What if you like it more? What if you can't get off the dock and then you feel like twice the kook??

This sport is still soooo small and moving threads would just separate it more.. EMBRACE IT!!! And quit bashing if its "not legit" or not. I would almost venture as far to say that somethings are harder off kickers because you don't have the lip of the wake to pop or "trip" off of.

Y'all go ahead and say what y'all want now.. But cable is only going to grow and progress.. Maybe its time to grow up.

you got it all wrong. Logan was clear MULTIPLE times and clarified that he is not hating cable and wants to try it. He clearly stated he would like it to have its own thread (like wakeskate, surf, girls) because he gets "tricked" by opening threads to find its cable. No big deal, it's a valid request.

As for "rich spoiled friends..." and their daddys boats... that is a statement made from someone who, to quote you, needs to "...grow up." You can get an old 19 foot i/o with a tower for a relatively small price. 2 or 3 k. for a couple thousand more you can have a nice old malibu skier or nautique with a tower to wakeboard. those boats can be towed by a car.

boat ownership doesn't necessarily mean you are rich and spoiled. many families do it for really cheap.

Jesus Christ here comes the johhny come lately crew. Welcome. Let's see, Johnny, Ryan, JROD, "yeahhhh", Jeremy...
Good God I think the people claiming that there's "drama" in this thread are more dramatic than anyone has been.
Today a bunch of you come in and tell everyone to calm down while inciting more drama than even existed.
On Valentine's Day too. Cupid's Birthday.
I hope you're all happy.

"Drama". Pffft. Like this message board ever could contain "drama". I love the Internet some days.

Well.. Congrats to the adults for the continuation... See ya @ the cable!

See y'all at the cable AND on the lake!

Originally Posted by waketx05

Logan.. Not that I want to hit you directly.. But.. You started this conversation without ever even RIDING a cable. What if you like it more? What if you can't get off the dock and then you feel like twice the kook??

I never hated on cable, just asked for a separate section. Everybody else made the drama.

sorry buddy.. TBH i read half of it b4 kinda losing my cool.. i understand the pre spinning and higher pull.. but ill be honest.. throwing spins off kickers isn't as easy as they may make it look.. same as throwing Crow 7's like harley isn't either..

If anyone wants to join me I'm going to be taking my cableboard to ODub tomorrow and do some cableboarding.

Had a great day a ODub myself today. Bring a suit if you're frail. The water is cold!

Yeah the water cooled off quick! I actually rode today too for a bit and was surpised how cold the Water got.

Separating a particular discipline into it's own topic has a number of implications. The most important is that those threads will instantly lose readership because fewer eyeballs will be seeing them when you take them out of a high-traffic topic and put them into a lower-traffic topic. For this reason, I will usually wait until there are enough threads on a particular topic that I feel it can stand on its own before I separate it out. That's usually a pretty high number of threads.

As a reader, I really don't want to have to visit multiple topics to see all the threads I might be interested in or risk missing out on something unless there is a pretty serious volume of threads involved. I'd rather hunt and peck around the topics I'm not interested in within one thread. There are a lot of other good arguments for keeping them together since there is not a clear line between "wakeboarding" and "cable wakeboarding." As pointed out earlier, winching and two-tower systems blur the lines between the two.

We had this same discussion with the Wakeskate thread, but it was kind of the opposite because it was wakeskaters demanding their own topic rather than wakeboarders demanding wakeskating threads be removed from the "Wakeboarding Discussion" topic. However, I resisted creating a Wakeskating thread for the same reasons. In the end, I still think we created the Wakeskating topic too early and it suffered because of that decision.

I will keep an eye on the volume of cable-related threads and I will certainly separate that topic when I think it's gotten to a level at which is can sustain itself. I don't think we're at that point yet, but I do see it coming with the explosion of cable.

Well then atleast those that are posting if youput (cable) in your title that would be nice.

if you post something with boat riding please put (boat)

The antagonistic side of this debate seems fueled by envy. Boat wakeboarders want to kick cable wakeboarding videos off the thread because why ??? do the cable videos continually show trick progression which is apparently surpassing boat wakeboarding? Is boat wakeboarding pure and cable wakeboarding a corruption?

It's ironic that there was none of this debate when videos were posted of Daniel Grant's amazing wakeskating exploits. That kind of video was non-threatening But post a video of Swedes hammering doubles, and lo and behold there's this cry, 'get that offensive material off this forum! I do not even want to be duped into opening something like that.'

'We can't waste my valuable time! ... you hear! ... my valuable time!!!'

Originally Posted by john211

The antagonistic side of this debate seems fueled by envy. Boat wakeboarders want to kick cable wakeboarding videos off the thread because why ??? do the cable videos continually show trick progression which is apparently surpassing boat wakeboarding? Is boat wakeboarding pure and cable wakeboarding a corruption?

It's ironic that there was none of this debate when videos were posted of Daniel Grant's amazing wakeskating exploits. That kind of video was non-threatening But post a video of Swedes hammering doubles, and lo and behold there's this cry, 'get that offensive material off this forum! I do not even want to be duped into opening something like that.'

'We can't waste my valuable time! ... you hear! ... my valuable time!!!'

Oh for the love of...
My man I don't think you've read this thread thoroughly, if at all.

1) People, myself included have absolutely, specifically, NOT shown anything but jaw dropped wow's at the Swedish Swiss super edit "Breddas". Best cable video posted online ever. That's not what people are having an issue with. Matty Hasler 1260 thread? Threads like it? Yes, yes in that case it's annoying, which leads me to point #2.

2) You said "Boat wakeboarders want to kick cable wakeboarding videos off the thread because why ??? do the cable videos continually show trick progression which is apparently surpassing boat wakeboarding?" Good lordy. That's the problem. But kudos for stirring up the pot. I hope you're kidding, but assuming you're not, the point is that this is not the case, specifically. Outpacing/surpassing is simply an off-base, apples to orange comparison. So I'm not threatened by cable, more power to it. I'm annoyed at not being able to tell the difference between the two in the case of hyperbole, all caps threads. "1260, WHAT!" and the like.

3) Dave spoke. Case closed on this. OP said "Can we have a separate category for cable?" No we can't right now. As far as I'm concerned the matter is over until Dave opens it. Personally I hope he does, but until that time this issue is over.

Originally Posted by juniorhawk

Oh for the love of...
My man I don't think you've read this thread thoroughly, if at all.

I think he read it quite well. I wonder where you guys park your brain at. Your very first post was antagonistic. You want to orphan cable and you don't care about what xxx does on the cable. There's a whole lot of us who have no problem watching both boat and cable videos. And we can tell them apart.

Ha ha I feel responsible for this thread since I posted the Swede crew vid (Again my bad for calling them Swiss)

The flare up of hatred towards cable seems to happen at least every couple months on Wakeworld, what I find encouraging is the number of people defending it grows every time. No surprise as cable systems continue to pop up and more and more people who actually RIDE cable regularly get to love it.

I dont have a problem with the OP making this thread, discussion is fine. Juniorhawk is hanging on to the extreme diehard boat elitist point of view that was at one stage more common. Seriously, comparing cable wakeboarding to boom barefoot? Thats offensive and belittling to the sport and the riders who do it. Saying that shows you really dont have much of a point asides from stirring up a flame war between boat and cable riders.

I just find it so strange, I think someone else already mentioned it. Your time is so precious and you get THAT annoyed from clicking on an occasional thread about cable? Guess your a busy guy.

I wish everyone had John Andersons attitude, he nails it every time.

Anyway im off to cable soon, oh and I enjoyed a sick boat set this morning as well

Oh from now on I will be putting a big (CABLE) disclaimer in my threads. Hope that helps everyone out.

Originally Posted by cheesydog

I wish everyone had John Andersons attitude, he nails it every time.

+1

Not to mention, John shreds harder than anyone I know!!