Another school shooting

why aren't people entering the field, do you think?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

why aren't people entering the field, do you think?

The google says the student debt far out weighs the pay for mental health professionals making it a poor choice for a career field. They state it's a high burnout career as well.

Originally Posted by racer808

The google says the student debt far out weighs the pay for mental health professionals making it a poor choice for a career field. They state it's a high burnout career as well.

Don't those sound like problems that actually COULD be fixed with money?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Don't those sound like problems that actually COULD be fixed with money?

For who? Any swinging dick that wants to enter the field? Why are kids with full rides not choosing that field? Do you plan to fast track people who couldn't get accepted or make it through the schooling just to meet quotas? If mental health is not affordable now what makes you think the cost will be brought down? Gov regulating what they can charge? Subsidies? And when those run out like they always do? Social worker is a great example, get a masters to earn 40k a year & since it's gov aside from your benefits you'll never make a decent wage. That is exactly what will happen to PHD's in mental health, lower wages. The Gov already pays for mental health via Obamacare but since the fee is structure & limited most doctors won't accept it & want cash.

I just googled mental health in the UK & Canada & they seem to have even bigger problem than we do, minus the crazies shooting **** up.

Originally Posted by racer808

I just googled mental health in the UK & Canada & they seem to have even bigger problem than we do, minus the crazies shooting **** up.

Hmmm, what's different about the UK and Canada? Off the top of my head, I'm going to say access to firearms, something that the right takes off the table here. So if that's off the table, we can't just say, "well sure, we do have mass shootings, but that's a function of mental health and look, these other developed countries have bad mental healthcare too"

With great power comes great responsibility. If we aren't responsible enough to have a mental healthcare system that's up to the task of addressing the "crazies," then are we responsible enough to have such easy access to firearms?

Why are kids with full rides not choosing that field?

you said because it doesn't pay well enough. If we (we meaning all of us meaning yes, government funding) correct the poor compensation problem that should attract more qualified candidates, no?

Do you plan to fast track people who couldn't get accepted or make it through the schooling just to meet quotas?

No? Did I say that? This doesn't seem like a problem that gets fixed overnight. Columbine was 20 years ago... how about 20 years from now we're doing a much better job?

If mental health is not affordable now what makes you think the cost will be brought down?

Controlling access to firearms is not a priority so we have to fix it the more expensive way. That means government funding.

Gov regulating what they can charge? Subsidies?

vast expansion of public mental healthcare sounds like the right's argument, right? So yeah, basically, public funding.

And when those run out like they always do?

We do like Trump and borrow from the future like we always do? These shooters all seem to have pretty B.A. firearms too, so is money really that tight?

Social worker is a great example, get a masters to earn 40k a year & since it's gov aside from your benefits you'll never make a decent wage. That is exactly what will happen to PHD's in mental health, lower wages. The Gov already pays for mental health via Obamacare but since the fee is structure & limited most doctors won't accept it & want cash.

That's just saying that there's a funding problem, right? When we don't have enough money being spent on defense, what do we do? We spend more. Need more nukes? spend more. Need more ships? spend more. Need more Navy? spend more. How many defense contractors are getting out of the game because the pay just isn't there? Why should this be any different?

"Here in CO if you get a MMJ card you can no longer get a conceal carry."

How does that work when it's perfectly legal there and you don't need a card to buy it?

Originally Posted by stanfield

"Here in CO if you get a MMJ card you can no longer get a conceal carry."

How does that work when it's perfectly legal there and you don't need a card to buy it?

Exactly. It's a dumb law.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Hmmm, what's different about the UK and Canada? Off the top of my head, I'm going to say access to firearms, something that the right takes off the table here. So if that's off the table, we can't just say, "well sure, we do have mass shootings, but that's a function of mental health and look, these other developed countries have bad mental healthcare too"

With great power comes great responsibility. If we aren't responsible enough to have a mental healthcare system that's up to the task of addressing the "crazies," then are we responsible enough to have such easy access to firearms?



you said because it doesn't pay well enough. If we (we meaning all of us meaning yes, government funding) correct the poor compensation problem that should attract more qualified candidates, no?



No? Did I say that? This doesn't seem like a problem that gets fixed overnight. Columbine was 20 years ago... how about 20 years from now we're doing a much better job?



Controlling access to firearms is not a priority so we have to fix it the more expensive way. That means government funding.



vast expansion of public mental healthcare sounds like the right's argument, right? So yeah, basically, public funding.



We do like Trump and borrow from the future like we always do? These shooters all seem to have pretty B.A. firearms too, so is money really that tight?



That's just saying that there's a funding problem, right? When we don't have enough money being spent on defense, what do we do? We spend more. Need more nukes? spend more. Need more ships? spend more. Need more Navy? spend more. How many defense contractors are getting out of the game because the pay just isn't there? Why should this be any different?

I actually agree with a quite a bit of that to an extent. In the interim though, why are you guys so against having trained armed guards at schools? We live in a upper scale part of town & even my kids high school has security, only one entrance in & two armed police present at all times. You guys are just fine with having our politicians be protected by fire arms but not our kids & go to right "to the only answer is a full ban". It's not going to happen & if we're going to spend money the immediate fix is to put trained armed people, ex vets, cops at all schools till we figure the rest out.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27326...ign=benshapiro
This is a really great new. What do you have to loose.Concealed permits and the right to have it accessible. There are alot of good teachers out there.