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Originally Posted by xstarrider

It’s also disingenuous to lump young healthy Americans into the same 2%
that is completely skewed due to an to unhealthy , obese , elderly segment of society that accounts for over 80 percent of the deaths.

Agree. And locally to me (purply state), the ship has sailed. I think people are content to let the no-vax crowd hang out at the feed store and buy up all the ivermectin.

We would probably all look at this differently if the elderly were unaffected and it killed healthy kindergarteners at the rate that it kills the elderly.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Agree. And locally to me (purply state), the ship has sailed. I think people are content to let the no-vax crowd hang out at the feed store and buy up all the ivermectin.

We would probably all look at this differently if the elderly were unaffected and it killed healthy kindergarteners at the rate that it kills the elderly.

Well that would be the smart way to adjust wouldn’t it. Not lump the entire population under one umbrella with rules for thee but not for me mentality. You know use a targeted scientific approach not a politically motivated one. . Institute common sense policy that deals with those in the most affected window , Not mandate the same for a single populous that doesn’t show the same traits across the board. Oh wait that’s science not politics. I forgot. We don’t believe in that here.

Originally Posted by xstarrider

Well that would be the smart way to adjust wouldn’t it. Not lump the entire population under one umbrella with rules for thee but not for me mentality. You know use a targeted scientific approach not a politically motivated one. . Institute common sense policy that deals with those in the most affected window , Not mandate the same for a single populous that doesn’t show the same traits across the board. Oh wait that’s science not politics. I forgot. We don’t believe in that here.

Amen.

Originally Posted by xstarrider

Well that would be the smart way to adjust wouldn’t it. Not lump the entire population under one umbrella with rules for thee but not for me mentality. You know use a targeted scientific approach not a politically motivated one. . Institute common sense policy that deals with those in the most affected window , Not mandate the same for a single populous that doesn’t show the same traits across the board. Oh wait that’s science not politics. I forgot. We don’t believe in that here.

Still don’t understand the dif between public health and personal medical advice…?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Agree. And locally to me (purply state), the ship has sailed. I think people are content to let the no-vax crowd hang out at the feed store and buy up all the ivermectin.

We would probably all look at this differently if the elderly were unaffected and it killed healthy kindergarteners at the rate that it kills the elderly.

I thought you guys have been arguing that the vaccine works and has very few break through cases leading to death? I thought we also have discovered that vaccinated people can spread it like the unvaccinated though is sounds like a shorter window. To that end, what can people really do? If you are at risk, get the vaccine. It comes to personal responsibility at that point.

I don't know what you democrats have against ivermectin and any other treatment. There is treatment called Monoclonal Antibody Treatment that is reducing hospitalizations and death from COVID by 70% with almost no side effects. It also has been shown to shorten the duration of symptoms by 4 days. Trump had this antibody treatment when he got COVID.

As far as ivermectin. I see you guys have fallen for the left wing media talking points again. Not sure if it absolutely cure or treat covid. Obviously a few doctors do, however it is not just for animals. Want to know who is getting ivermectin? Almost every Asian immigrant into the US including all the Afghan refugees. It is for parasites. It is not just a horse de-wormer. It is used extensively in humans (pretty much like every animal medicine).

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I don't know what you democrats have against ivermectin and any other treatment. There is treatment called Monoclonal Antibody Treatment that is reducing hospitalizations and death from COVID by 70% with almost no side effects. It also has been shown to shorten the duration of symptoms by 4 days. Trump had this antibody treatment when he got COVID.

This arg cracks me up. The vaccine is a dangerous mandated medical procedure based on risky rushed science, but if I get sick, give me that rushed medicine developed by the same drug makers.

Science is BS... till I get sick.

BTW just consider the social cost. Vaccine costs $20. Remdesivir about $3K (not to mention the productivity lost by individual who is sick enough to need it). Remdesivir helps a sick person get better, vax prevents well person from getting sick and from getting other well people sick.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

This arg cracks me up. The vaccine is a dangerous mandated medical procedure based on risky rushed science, but if I get sick, give me that rushed medicine developed by the same drug makers.

Science is BS... till I get sick.

BTW just consider the social cost. Vaccine costs $20. Remdesivir about $3K (not to mention the productivity lost by individual who is sick enough to need it). Remdesivir helps a sick person get better, vax prevents well person from getting sick and from getting other well people sick.

I am not at all remiss of the irony of it. I agree 100%, however we are interested in overall health of the population, it is also possible to do both and we should pursue both. They should talk positively about treatments as well.

The costs? How much does it cost to put someone in a hospital bed for COVID? I am sure the outpatient therapy is cheaper. Not as cheap as the vaccine, however the vaccine would be expensive too if we did not commit billions into ramping up their production and guarantee a market.

As of now, even if you are vaccinated and test positive, you still are sidelined for COVID just the same. Not sure if there is a major productivity issue there.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I am not at all remiss of the irony of it. I agree 100%, however we are interested in overall health of the population, it is also possible to do both and we should pursue both. They should talk positively about treatments as well.

The costs? How much does it cost to put someone in a hospital bed for COVID? I am sure the outpatient therapy is cheaper. Not as cheap as the vaccine, however the vaccine would be expensive too if we did not commit billions into ramping up their production and guarantee a market.

As of now, even if you are vaccinated and test positive, you still are sidelined for COVID just the same. Not sure if there is a major productivity issue there.

But the vaccine isnt expensive is it, its free. How much is horse paste?
Wasnt the argument with the vaccine that it was experimental? Monoclonal antibody treatment IS Experimental and not FDA approved, the vaccines are free and approved.
If vaccinated and test positive you may be sidelined, ok. It is 100 times better than hospitalized, isnt it? Remember the failed goal, to not over run the hospitals.

Originally Posted by 95sn

But the vaccine isnt expensive is it, its free. How much is horse paste?
Wasnt the argument with the vaccine that it was experimental? Monoclonal antibody treatment IS Experimental and not FDA approved, the vaccines are free and approved.
If vaccinated and test positive you may be sidelined, ok. It is 100 times better than hospitalized, isnt it? Remember the failed goal, to not over run the hospitals.

Nothing is for free. Where did you get your economics education.

Quit saying it is horse medicine. If we want to falsely paste dual use medicines as animal medicines then do not ever have a surgery or out patient where they use twilight medicine because those are used on dogs too. Don't use antibiotics or steroids because they use them on animals too. As I have already pointed out all the people from Afghanistan are required to get said horse medicine before entering our country. So much for a horse medicine.

I don't disagree that it is better than being hospitalized. The newer treatment is an outpatient therapy. Of the people who would need it, it most likely would be people over 50 based on the numbers impacted by covid.

As far as failed goals. I don't think I have seen a real story yet where people have been turned away. There are articles where they are stressed. That always makes for good press when you can scare the masses. Usually if hospitals are getting to the break over point, the public health usually puts in mandates to help with the numbers. They know what they have on the ground. kalifonria can not help that they have overran hospitals with illegals over the years and closed many down.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Nothing is for free. Where did you get your economics education.

Quit saying it is horse medicine. If we want to falsely paste dual use medicines as animal medicines then do not ever have a surgery or out patient where they use twilight medicine because those are used on dogs too. Don't use antibiotics or steroids because they use them on animals too. As I have already pointed out all the people from Afghanistan are required to get said horse medicine before entering our country. So much for a horse medicine.

I don't disagree that it is better than being hospitalized. The newer treatment is an outpatient therapy. Of the people who would need it, it most likely would be people over 50 based on the numbers impacted by covid.

As far as failed goals. I don't think I have seen a real story yet where people have been turned away. There are articles where they are stressed. That always makes for good press when you can scare the masses. Usually if hospitals are getting to the break over point, the public health usually puts in mandates to help with the numbers. They know what they have on the ground. kalifonria can not help that they have overran hospitals with illegals over the years and closed many down.

It is a horse and cow de-wormer. In humans it is used for parasites, do Covid patients have parasites? Afghans do. In Idaho they are rationing health care, is Idaho a communist socialist country now? Texas refuses to help, tells hospitals to call the Feds.
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/fox-...id-19-patients
If hospitals are not full, why field hospitals?
https://www.umc.edu/news/News_Articl...-hospital.html
https://www.ems1.com/coronavirus-cov...gYbjICzMRV2n3/
Seems like you are purposely putting on the blinders to state your illogical opinion.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I thought you guys have been arguing that the vaccine works and has very few break through cases leading to death? I thought we also have discovered that vaccinated people can spread it like the unvaccinated though is sounds like a shorter window. To that end, what can people really do? If you are at risk, get the vaccine. It comes to personal responsibility at that point.

Personal responsibility like paying your own covid related hospital expenses? Or being the first to get kicked out of the ICU/hospital when the beds are full and other people need them? Or agreeing that your employer has the right to fire you if your unvaccinated status goes against their sense of proper operating procedures? I can agree with that kind of PR.

Originally Posted by fly135

Personal responsibility like paying your own covid related hospital expenses? Or being the first to get kicked out of the ICU/hospital when the beds are full and other people need them? Or agreeing that your employer has the right to fire you if your unvaccinated status goes against their sense of proper operating procedures? I can agree with that kind of PR.

Why would they need to pay for their own care? Don't you argue for socialized medicine? Employers can have good luck on firing everyone. One of the biggest groups not getting the vaccine are nurses and there is a huge shortage already and getting worse now that hospitals are trying the ol firing card on them.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Why would they need to pay for their own care?

You already forgot arguing for personal responsibility, or just don't know what it means?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Don't you argue for socialized medicine?

You can apply the same principal to socialized medicine. Especially the part about booting unvaccinated people from overloaded hospitals.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Employers can have good luck on firing everyone.

Why would they fire everyone?

Originally Posted by fly135

You already forgot arguing for personal responsibility, or just don't know what it means?

You can apply the same principal to socialized medicine. Especially the part about booting unvaccinated people from overloaded hospitals.

Why would they fire everyone?

If people are paying into a system, they are taking responsibility by paying into the system.

I say you boot people who are not paying into those hospitals to make room for the ones who are. Send the other to county.

Why would they fire everyone? Biden's mandates.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

If people are paying into a system, they are taking responsibility by paying into the system.

What they pay doesn't have COVID risk in the equation. I thought that we finally agreed on something when you mentioned personal responsibility. But now I see that you don't really understand the concept.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I say you boot people who are not paying into those hospitals to make room for the ones who are. Send the other to county.

Changing the subject now. Let's just stick to the PR issue and leave poverty for another conversation.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Why would they fire everyone? Biden's mandates.

Biden didn't mandate everyone be fired. Again... why everyone?