I'll ask for the second time, now. Do you have any proof of these claims that you make? First, show where there was only one budget surplus under Clinton. And then you can offer evidence on this China claim.
Like every woman you've ever met, you're not worth 5 seconds of my time. The treasury numbers don't lie, go look em up. Could give a fckaldoodledo your thoughts on the matter.
Where did you dig up this BS? Please post the proof.
The truth for those with half a brain is Bill Clinton had budget surpluses for FY's 98-01. The first surplus since before 1970 (and Clinton had 4 years). Publicly-held debt fell from ~47% in 93 to ~31% in 01.
Clinton broke even basically. They counted social security taxes as revenue for the "budget surplus"
See Wake, even though the Chinese own less than 10% of our debt, republicans think that they own most of the debt because the Chinese are the biggest foreign U.S. debt holder.
You don't have to own all or most of the debt to help balance. We do have our own income streams. This is another false position.
you need to quit putting words into other peoples mouths like you do your weiner into Wakes.
ok that was funny.
Joe: the Baby Shark song. I was laughing cause, I have Never heard that song b4. We passed a boat the other day on the water and this guy was blasting that song, I was like WTF is that song and Why the F” would you play it. Then when I clicked on your link it all came back, LOL I’m so glad I’m disconnected from crappy music, example I didn’t even know Old Town road until a few weeks ago. Thank God To Soundcloud and YouTube Red. And Avoiding party Coves, you don’t have to listen to other people’s crappy music! It’s all about the HOUSE! OK back to kicking & fighting.
ok that was funny.
Joe: the Baby Shark song. I was laughing cause, I have Never heard that song b4. We passed a boat the other day on the water and this guy was blasting that song, I was like WTF is that song and Why the F” would you play it. Then when I clicked on your link it all came back, LOL I’m so glad I’m disconnected from crappy music, example I didn’t even know Old Town road until a few weeks ago. Thank God To Soundcloud and YouTube Red. And Avoiding party Coves, you don’t have to listen to other people’s crappy music! It’s all about the HOUSE! OK back to kicking & fighting.
just a sign of getting old I think. There's a time when you new music listening eventually goes over the cliff. Through about 2015 I was pretty good on pop songs (even if I don't know the name of the song or the artist) because of my kids DJ'ing on the boat. But now that they're out of the house, I'm reverting to "my" music.... which seems to end somewhere around them starting elementary school in the 2000s
just a sign of getting old I think. There's a time when you new music listening eventually goes over the cliff. Through about 2015 I was pretty good on pop songs (even if I don't know the name of the song or the artist) because of my kids DJ'ing on the boat. But now that they're out of the house, I'm reverting to "my" music.... which seems to end somewhere around them starting elementary school in the 2000s
Same problem here man. I don't even know what's good these days, it's all just background music to me now. Which is odd considering I've been playing guitar, drums for 30 years, have a small electronic music studio set up, ain't too shabby on the keys but I don't keep up with anything. I've also lost touch with all street lingo I used to know, it's like they have their own language now.
Thats ok. Obama actually got the prize and he killed more people with drones by a long shot to anyone in history.
Agreed, Obama's inability to shut down the drone program was a big blot on his record. Next to his inability to balance the budget are two black marks from me.
Agreed, Obama's inability to shut down the drone program was a big blot on his record. Next to his inability to balance the budget are two black marks from me.
I see it as a plus on his record (drone program), however it certainly makes a mockery of a already tainted award by giving it to him for doing anywhere from nothing to the exact opposite of someone who should get a Nobel Peace Prize.
I see it as a plus on his record (drone program), however it certainly makes a mockery of a already tainted award by giving it to him for doing anywhere from nothing to the exact opposite of someone who should get a Nobel Peace Prize.
Isn't that the whole premise of US foreign policy, the natives are a lot more peaceful after you carpet bomb them.
Agreed, Obama's inability to shut down the drone program was a big blot on his record. Next to his inability to balance the budget are two black marks from me.
Balance the budget? Cmon man if the Great Recession wasn’t the absolute test case for high govt spending, then what is?
Fact is, trump and his MMT cronies are right (apparently) debt isn’t bad when you are printing the fiat currency.
Isn't that the whole premise of US foreign policy, the natives are a lot more peaceful after you carpet bomb them.
Actually yes, that's what is takes to squash resistance. There's 3 phases of war, we're only good at one of them.
1) Combat operations. No one knows modern warfare like we do. Russia only shows up where we show up to be: A PIA to us. Test their new weapons against ours. Gain whatever real combat experience they can while there. Remember in Syria when they sent 300 Russian soldiers / mercenaries? That was to test us, they leaned not to test to us but you can bet they can gathered valuable information with our response.
2) Occupation. We totally f****d that up everywhere we go. Disbanding the Iraqi Gov overnight was the dumbest thing we could have done (aside from going there in the first place).
3) Resistance. What we learned is unless you're willing to carpet bomb them & kill & kill until they submit like we did in WWII you'll never squash resistance.
^^^ LOL @ Gean Wilder, if the Dems were see that movie today they would Demand all of his movie Nominations & or Awards be revoked and his Star on the “Walk of fame” be removed, they would demand his movies be taken down from all streaming devices, they would open a investigation and call for senate hearings, all this while rat infested and homeless problems fester in Democrat liberial hell holes. Yup that’s you Lib Tards doing the job you were elected to do
Isn't that the whole premise of US foreign policy, the natives are a lot more peaceful after you carpet bomb them.
Interesting perspective you have there. The Māori people may want to help you take that log out of your eye.
Do you believe in cultural relativism and that there are no evil people in the world? What should evil people who declare war on a nation and their people be done with especially after they attacked and murdered thousands of people?
Actually yes, that's what is takes to squash resistance. There's 3 phases of war, we're only good at one of them.
1) Combat operations. No one knows modern warfare like we do. Russia only shows up where we show up to be: A PIA to us. Test their new weapons against ours. Gain whatever real combat experience they can while there. Remember in Syria when they sent 300 Russian soldiers / mercenaries? That was to test us, they leaned not to test to us but you can bet they can gathered valuable information with our response.
2) Occupation. We totally f****d that up everywhere we go. Disbanding the Iraqi Gov overnight was the dumbest thing we could have done (aside from going there in the first place).
3) Resistance. What we learned is unless you're willing to carpet bomb them & kill & kill until they submit like we did in WWII you'll never squash resistance.
Agree with 1 and 3. 2 partially. We actually ended up doing a good job with the Iraqi government after the horrible mess we started.
So..... it certainly looks like the democrat party has a socialism and illegal problem. That Kalifornia policy is dominating the debates. Welcome to your new party. I've been telling you for years. Now you can hear it out of your candidates mouths directly.
Agree with 1 and 3. 2 partially. We actually ended up doing a good job with the Iraqi government after the horrible mess we started.
Well, it still several years to Band-Aid together a Government. I have an Iraqi buddy I've formed a relationship with over the years who lives in Baghdad & I love what he's stated to me.
Many were very happy we were coming, they were excited hoping for freedom, a new life but it was absolute chaos for a couple years & not at all what they were hoping for. Now, he says "instead of one dictator we have a hundred dictators, hundreds of warlords & thousands of militia leaders". Says it's better now but it still functioned better for some with Saddam & his iron fist, as long as you weren't on the receiving end of his fury.
Our failures of 2 & 3 should concern the world though. When Trump talks tough many miss he's simply stating; If forced, we're going to f**k **** up & leave, we're not sticking around to rebuild a damn thing.
Well, it still several years to Band-Aid together a Government. I have an Iraqi buddy I've formed a relationship with over the years who lives in Baghdad & I love what he's stated to me.
Many were very happy we were coming, they were excited hoping for freedom, a new life but it was absolute chaos for a couple years & not at all what they were hoping for. Now, he says "instead of one dictator we have a hundred dictators, hundreds of warlords & thousands of militia leaders". Says it's better now but it still functioned better for some with Saddam & his iron fist, as long as you weren't on the receiving end of his fury.
Our failures of 2 & 3 should concern the world though. When Trump talks tough many miss he's simply stating; If forced, we're going to f**k **** up & leave, we're not sticking around to rebuild a damn thing.
Try being a Christian under Saddam. Pretty much ran out or killed every single one of them.
Iraq will not be like America or even Europe. Their religion does not even allow for freedom to begin with so they have hundreds of years of tribalistic behavior to get past before they can even begin to think of real freedom.
This thread is only left with the Most TDS Lib Tards Most Demi Craps have gone into safe spaces until 2020.
I will return when more kicking and screaming at at the sky Returns. Until the please keep saying Kids in cages. Reparations, Impeachment. Russian collusion, Racism, Antifa and so on
You raise interest rates when the economy is overheating and you want to stop the radical expanding of the bubble, you lower interest rates when the bubble is deflating and you want to soften the bump at the bottom. Interest rates are an important tool to keep an economy stable.
Interesting perspective you have there. The Māori people may want to help you take that log out of your eye.
Do you believe in cultural relativism and that there are no evil people in the world? What should evil people who declare war on a nation and their people be done with especially after they attacked and murdered thousands of people?
If we are counting up bodies, how many muslims have been killed by Americans over the last 10 years relative to how many Americans? How many middle eastern countries with oil resource has the US occupied over the last 15 years? Over the same period how often has the US been invaded?
Wow, never in a million years did I think I'd be supporting Warren over the rest of the field. Only one to talk about growth & you know where she stands on a host of issues while the rest play twiddly dinks trying gauge what they should say & not say.. Frankly, I think China should make a deal cause I see Warren being even tougher on them.
Wow, never in a million years did I think I'd be supporting Warren over the rest of the field. Only one to talk about growth & you know where she stands on a host of issues while the rest play twiddly dinks trying gauge what they should say & not say.. Frankly, I think China should make a deal cause I see Warren being even tougher on them.
I'm coming around to her too, though she's still a little (lot) too radical / impractical for me.
But as my apolitical wife pointed out after we tuned into a little bit of each debate, it really doesn't matter who gets elected because they are going to be hamstrung by congress anyway. Flipping the senate will be an uphill climb and getting a filibuster proof majority is pretty much impossible. Shoot, maintaining control of the house certainly isn't even a done deal in a presidential year.
Warren's plans and Bernie's plans assume a cooperative congress. Which seems unlikely. So maybe the takeaway is to back the energized radical because the system is going to sand off the sharp corners?
You raise interest rates when the economy is overheating and you want to stop the radical expanding of the bubble, you lower interest rates when the bubble is deflating and you want to soften the bump at the bottom. Interest rates are an important tool to keep an economy stable.
I agree. However they raised rates 4 times for a total of a point in 2018. They backed it off 0.25 points now. Not sure I am concerned about it. I'm not a money guy but it does not set off any alarms for me especially after the bigger raises in 2018
If we are counting up bodies, how many muslims have been killed by Americans over the last 10 years relative to how many Americans? How many middle eastern countries with oil resource has the US occupied over the last 15 years? Over the same period how often has the US been invaded?
You can stop the oil reserves BS. That is such a weak and intellectually dishonest statement. That lie of a talking point has shipped out a long time ago. We have all the oil we need on our side of the globe. Iraqi had zero to do with oil. Just like now, we have put sanctions on Iran oil. Do you think if we needed it so bad, we would sanction it?
Invasion of countries with oil? 1 country that happened to have oil that we had again tried to keep off the global market except our so called pals the Germans and French were buying it illegally. Again, if we needed it so bad why did we make it illegal to sell? Even at that, we have invaded ZERO countries in the last 15 years. We were already there.
You may want to check out your own countries log as well. You sent Engineers and armed troops to Iraq as well. Just like you took over and killed native people. Don't act like you are clean in the world.
If you want to talk US invasion, the US has been in the middle of a invasion of historical amounts over the last 30 years sponsored by democrats. There has never been a demographic shift like observed in America outside full scale war.
Can you tell me the last time that Muslim tribes declared war on you and flew hijacked airliners into your buildings?
I'm coming around to her too, though she's still a little (lot) too radical / impractical for me.
But as my apolitical wife pointed out after we tuned into a little bit of each debate, it really doesn't matter who gets elected because they are going to be hamstrung by congress anyway. Flipping the senate will be an uphill climb and getting a filibuster proof majority is pretty much impossible. Shoot, maintaining control of the house certainly isn't even a done deal in a presidential year.
Warren's plans and Bernie's plans assume a cooperative congress. Which seems unlikely. So maybe the takeaway is to back the energized radical because the system is going to sand off the sharp corners?
And you will never get a cooperative congress because Americans don't want socialism. Only ones who want it are third world immigrant dense areas of the country and little suburban turds who had their parents pay for everything in their life. The rest of the country which includes the vast majority of the blue collar workers do not want a nanny state.
I'm coming around to her too, though she's still a little (lot) too radical / impractical for me.
But as my apolitical wife pointed out after we tuned into a little bit of each debate, it really doesn't matter who gets elected because they are going to be hamstrung by congress anyway. Flipping the senate will be an uphill climb and getting a filibuster proof majority is pretty much impossible. Shoot, maintaining control of the house certainly isn't even a done deal in a presidential year.
Warren's plans and Bernie's plans assume a cooperative congress. Which seems unlikely. So maybe the takeaway is to back the energized radical because the system is going to sand off the sharp corners?
So the democrat party really is for open borders and the destruction of American sovreignty? Who knew?
You can stop the oil reserves BS. That is such a weak and intellectually dishonest statement. That lie of a talking point has shipped out a long time ago. We have all the oil we need on our side of the globe. Iraqi had zero to do with oil. Just like now, we have put sanctions on Iran oil. Do you think if we needed it so bad, we would sanction it?
Invasion of countries with oil? 1 country that happened to have oil that we had again tried to keep off the global market except our so called pals the Germans and French were buying it illegally. Again, if we needed it so bad why did we make it illegal to sell? Even at that, we have invaded ZERO countries in the last 15 years. We were already there.
You may want to check out your own countries log as well. You sent Engineers and armed troops to Iraq as well. Just like you took over and killed native people. Don't act like you are clean in the world.
If you want to talk US invasion, the US has been in the middle of a invasion of historical amounts over the last 30 years sponsored by democrats. There has never been a demographic shift like observed in America outside full scale war.
Can you tell me the last time that Muslim tribes declared war on you and flew hijacked airliners into your buildings?
What I don't understand about their mindset is all these countries are violating the UN's laws, not ours. What is the point of having these laws if you're not going to back them up with teeth? The problem is, behind the scenes the UN & the world loves that we play world police & love publicly damning us for it. Nuclear proliferation is a joke if you're not willing to decimate their program.
In regards to Iraq & oil, you are 100% correct & the Bush administration intentionally put anything oil related into Iraq's hands to precisely disprove the whole war for oil BS
What I don't understand about their mindset is all these countries are violating the UN's laws, not ours. What is the point of having these laws if you're not going to back them up with teeth? The problem is, behind the scenes the UN & the world loves that we play world police & love publicly damning us for it. Nuclear proliferation is a joke if you're not willing to decimate their program.
In regards to Iraq & oil, you are 100% correct & the Bush administration intentionally put anything oil related into Iraq's hands to precisely disprove the whole war for oil BS
We all know the UN is useless. That is why it blows my mind that anyone in our country (or any developed country) would want more of UN control in their lives. You have historical corrupt and dangerous cultures having a say in how America does it's business. OF course there is the security council that pretty much limits many of their legislative work to look like a 9th grade government class exercise.
So the democrat party really is for open borders and the destruction of American sovreignty? Who knew?
:-)
Funny how all dem primary campaign hyperbole is taken as gospel but mantras like “Mexico will pay for it” and “lock her up” are just aspirational goals.
Funny how all dem primary campaign hyperbole is taken as gospel but mantras like “Mexico will pay for it” and “lock her up” are just aspirational goals.
Not sure lock her up was a policy discussion, however every single democrat is for giving illegals healthcare and vast majority including the candidate you just said you like at the moment is for decriminalizing border crossings. That is not montra. That is policy and it is the EXACT policy that is in place in California. The same state that the speaker of the house is from and a potential front runner democrat candidate is from.
And the EXACT policy that your current front runner is campaigning for.
You may want to check out your own countries log as well. You sent Engineers and armed troops to Iraq as well. Just like you took over and killed native people. Don't act like you are clean in the world.
I'm not defending anything NZ governments have done past or present, it all should be evaluated
In regards to Iraq & oil, you are 100% correct & the Bush administration intentionally put anything oil related into Iraq's hands to precisely disprove the whole war for oil BS
Say what? Bush who invaded Iraq for WMD's? (WMD stands for What Makes Diesel)
Say what? Bush who invaded Iraq for WMD's? (WMD stands for What Makes Diesel)
Okay that's actually pretty damn funny, I never heard that one. But if you go look at the facts, the states intentionally turned over all oil related functions except security to other nations, precisely because the "war for oil" cries.
Okay that's actually pretty damn funny, I never heard that one. But if you go look at the facts, the states intentionally turned over all oil related functions except security to other nations, precisely because the "war for oil" cries.
You mean turned the oil over to ExxonMobil, BP and Shell?
You mean turned the oil over to ExxonMobil, BP and Shell?
The Iraqi government can choose whoever they wanted to produce their oil. Those are all publicly traded international companies. BP stands for British Petroleum so I am not sure how that relates to America.
Again, we were embargoing that oil so why do you think we needed it when we intentionally kept it off the world market. At this point you are letting your "feelings" get in the way of the truth. We have since left Iraqi. Has that changed the oil market in the US one bit? Did not impact us before or after. Next lie, lets keep it moving.
It's not so much that it benefits the US population or government as a whole, it's more the corporate lobbying has such a corrupting effect on the government that it effects all policy. Look at how Halliburton benefited from the war.
Okay that's actually pretty damn funny, I never heard that one. But if you go look at the facts, the states intentionally turned over all oil related functions except security to other nations, precisely because the "war for oil" cries.
More proof that Repubs can laugh at themselves and have a sense of humor while libs can't and don't. Grant had a very recent post that proved that too. In other words, libs are a sad, sad group of people.
It's not so much that it benefits the US population or government as a whole, it's more the corporate lobbying has such a corrupting effect on the government that it effects all policy. Look at how Halliburton benefited from the war.
So. A corporation profited. There are no small businesses that can handle a world wide infastructure. If they could, then they would be the next boogie man only this time they would not have a voting board of many people including the general public as stock holders. They would have a single owner with too much power. At least a corporation has more than one voice compared to a private company.
If there is money to be made, then someone is going to make. Water is wet. This perpetual moaning over corporations or whoever making money is almost child like from the left. The money and the work is there and some group will capture it. That is how the world works. Works the same if you are trading goats, chickens and daughters in the Muslim world. All of them are just different scales. Always has been and always will be so quit crying about it.
More proof that Repubs can laugh at themselves and have a sense of humor while libs can't and don't. Grant had a very recent post that proved that too. In other words, libs are a sad, sad group of people.
Well here, it's like you & me ripping on each other, having a good time but then we go & rip on the special ed kids & they can't take a joke but to be fair their brains aren't really up to the task
There you go again, posting drivel. What a tone deaf hack of an author who wrote that horseschit. Get this through your collective fat heads: The only people creating division are libtards. They see everything through their warped kaleidoscope that separates everyone by race.
I couldn't care less about the percentage of each race represented in Congress or anywhere else, but that's the only way you asshats see everything. It would be just fine with me if half of Congress was black, red or yellow. Don't care and don't try to manipulate us into thinking that the GOP is in shambles when it's clearly the left that has their heads up their as$es. See you in 2020.
So. A corporation profited. There are no small businesses that can handle a world wide infastructure. If they could, then they would be the next boogie man only this time they would not have a voting board of many people including the general public as stock holders. They would have a single owner with too much power. At least a corporation has more than one voice compared to a private company.
If there is money to be made, then someone is going to make. Water is wet. This perpetual moaning over corporations or whoever making money is almost child like from the left. The money and the work is there and some group will capture it. That is how the world works. Works the same if you are trading goats, chickens and daughters in the Muslim world. All of them are just different scales. Always has been and always will be so quit crying about it.
What the heck? You don't have a problem with giant corporations influencing the political process to put Americans in harms way so they can make bigger profits? When the vice president is the ex CEO of an oil company which has a windfall of $40b as a direct result of American soldiers in harms way I don't know what you would have a problem with, it stinks and you don't need to be wearing a tinfoil hat to join the dots up.
What the heck? You don't have a problem with giant corporations influencing the political process to put Americans in harms way so they can make bigger profits? When the vice president is the ex CEO of an oil company which has a windfall of $40b as a direct result of American soldiers in harms way I don't know what you would have a problem with, it stinks and you don't need to be wearing a tinfoil hat to join the dots up.
Anyone with money has ALWAYS influence the political process. Corporations happen also control your retirement and you and I should absolutely hope they keep doing what they are doing so you have money in your investments when it is time to retire.
Do you really think that someone somewhere would influence people if corporations did not exist? Do you really think that most of these things in your life would exist without businesses and corporations? The basic fact that you can even be on the internet discussing this stuff is because of progress being made by businesses that have giving us a great quality of life. If you were farming and working like a dog for a living, you would not have the time nor the energy to put into politics.
Hate to tell you but Haliburton already had the contract for supplying the military. The fact that he was the EX CEO had zero to do with it. They were already making bank. Just like most contracts, they get paid whether the service is provide or not. If the customer does not use it, they still pay. You liberals don't seem to care about how Clinton's and other democrats walk in with hardly a dime to their names and walk out multi millionaires after serving. Wonder how that happens on a $100,000 or so a year job?
If you want to be outraged be outraged. That is your right but don't act like someone or something does not push power and influence the lives of others. You like to blame a single type of entity when it is all entities and if it was not one thing it will be another. Do I like all things done to all people? Of course not. With that said, I am not going to pretend that if we only are envious of this one thing and destroy it, life will be happy. That basically describes the democrat party.
Can you show me a country ran by people of color that democrats like to prop up that is not in some sort of modern slavery and has a thriving middle class? Asians don't count because they don't count as minorities in America according to democrats because they ruin the curve. Even then there are only really 2 Asian countries that have any meaningful life for people and they still have an odd sense of freedom.
Anyone with money has ALWAYS influence the political process. Corporations happen also control your retirement and you and I should absolutely hope they keep doing what they are doing so you have money in your investments when it is time to retire.
And there you have it, dead soldiers and drone strike civilians is just fine as long as Delta's 401k goes up.
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Do you really think that someone somewhere would influence people if corporations did not exist?
No but almost every country does a better job of limiting corporate power than the US does.
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You liberals don't seem to care about how Clinton's and other democrats walk in with hardly a dime to their names and walk out multi millionaires after serving. Wonder how that happens on a $100,000 or so a year job?
Actually every liberal on this site thinks the Clintons are crooks. The sooner the dems get there **** together and kick out the corporate democrats with there snouts in the trough the better.
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If you want to be outraged be outraged.
I'm not outraged, I just pointing out that things could be a lot better.
Can you show me a country ran by people of color that democrats like to prop up that is not in some sort of modern slavery and has a thriving middle class? Asians don't count because they don't count as minorities in America according to democrats because they ruin the curve. Even then there are only really 2 Asian countries that have any meaningful life for people and they still have an odd sense of freedom.
Lol, you know there are 48 asian countries with almost 4B people right?
Like every woman you've ever met, you're not worth 5 seconds of my time. The treasury numbers don't lie, go look em up. Could give a fckaldoodledo your thoughts on the matter.
I take it that is a no. That is three confirmed times you have made bold-faced lies in the past couple of months.
"My thoughts"? You mean the actual truth and not the land of make believe of where you reside?
If the economy is "The best ever" why is the Fed cutting rates?
Because it's already been shown that Trump lied, and it's not the "best ever economy". Of course, the Trumpsters around here have convinced themselves that the truth is not acceptable unless it is in Trump's favor.
Even Delta is convinced Trump is as perfect as Jesus Christ. He won't concede that Trump has made a single mistake in his presidency.
And there you have it, dead soldiers and drone strike civilians is just fine as long as Delta's 401k goes up.
No but almost every country does a better job of limiting corporate power than the US does.
Actually every liberal on this site thinks the Clintons are crooks. The sooner the dems get there **** together and kick out the corporate democrats with there snouts in the trough the better.
I'm not outraged, I just pointing out that things could be a lot better.
Funny. I won't be retiring using a 401k.
No they do not limit corporate power. You know what else the other countries do? They limit the rights of their citizens.
If dems get rid of corporate influence from their party, they will no longer be a party. The richest people in the world are the corporate heads that happen to be big time democrats. The democrats can replace their corporations with the unions? Love your child like view of the world.
Of course things could be better, however your "could be better" always leaves out the history of man kind and how finances work.
And I would almost guarantee Delta is counting NK as one of the "two" Asian countries worth living in.
Why is that? Democrats are the ones who got their period early when Bush put them on the axis of evil. I guess you forget about your sides little fits on wakeworld about that?
You also realize that NK is actually how leftist countries live don't you? They are what the policies of the democrats lead too and you and others lobby without hesitation to push the US there.
Because it's already been shown that Trump lied, and it's not the "best ever economy". Of course, the Trumpsters around here have convinced themselves that the truth is not acceptable unless it is in Trump's favor.
Even Delta is convinced Trump is as perfect as Jesus Christ. He won't concede that Trump has made a single mistake in his presidency.
I have not heard the democrats point out a mistake. All I have heard from democrats is the same tired 3 or 4 recirculated talking points about giving free crap away that the middle class has to pay for, flooding the country and 2.5 years of Russians did it after they are the ones who paid for it. Of course before that it was the guns did it until the democrats were caught selling them to the Mexican cartels. I have not heard a single thing brought forward by democrats that would be an acceptable alternative?
Of course Trump does things that are not perfect. water is wet. The difference is, I don't have this idiotic myopic view of government and politicians that you democrats do. One decision at the top always has the chance of impacting 50% of the population in a negative manner. Are they long term or short term impacts is the key. Just like the democrat policy to tie welfare to not having a father in the household. Now fatherless households have sky rocketed and so has lack of education and violence to go with it. So much so 75% of black children do not have a father in the household. Democrats always try and convince people that the people give them more power, their lives would be grand. History shows how that ends up. Democrats either don't understand history which makes them ignorant or they understand history which makes the extremely dangerous.
Lol, you know there are 48 asian countries with almost 4B people right?
Yep. Even had to point out to a local liberal the India is in Asia and they count as Asian.
Show me a non white country there that has equal rights and/or civil rights? Can you move economic or social class? Would you want your country to move to the same economic, civil liberties, and punishment systems of those countries?
I am interested in learning. I just don't see it. Just like any spanish orginated colony. Usually very poor and economically and politically corrupt.
Show me a non white country there that has equal rights and/or civil rights? Can you move economic or social class? Would you want your country to move to the same economic, civil liberties, and punishment systems of those countries?
Are you saying that the major determinate of freedom country is if its white or not?
This is 100% not true. NZ for instance has a lot of election law which limits political spending over the campaign period. Is it a reduction of wealthy entities right to spend their resources on what they like? Yes. Is it justified. Also yes.
This is 100% not true. NZ for instance has a lot of election law which limits political spending over the campaign period. Is it a reduction of wealthy entities right to spend their resources on what they like? Yes. Is it justified. Also yes.
We have limits on how much a person or entity can give directly to a campaign. What we don't have is a limit that someone or entity can spend on spreading their own opinion on who we should elect. Case in point is Hollywood. They have direct ties to all entertainment and media and they spend biggly on democrats behalf.
Are you saying that the major determinate of freedom country is if its white or not?
Apparently to liberals color is the tell all and end all to all good and harm in the world. Our education and hiring is based on color and not on individual merit so it must be true. Also when liberal talk about economic and social structure they believe work, the always point to white european countries.
What I say is culture is the determination and only cultures that seem to have human rights are mostly western European in nature with America leading the way starting in the late 1700's (with the help of France) and it took most of Europe through WW1 to get rid of monarchs and move to a parlimentary system. Europe still has many limits of freedoms compared the US, but they are more free and prosperous than most Spanish, African, Arab and Asian derived cultures. If you are from the south pole forget about it. Not saying they are all 3rd world in nature but where would you rather live for overall quality of life for all types of people? If you are a male, most of the world is great for you. Female? Not so much. Too dark of a female, you may as well call it a life. Chinese person in Japan? Does that person do well? South Korea seems to be alright. Don't know a lot about it.
And we do limit it. So you agree that other countries do more to keep money out of politics or not?
No. I don't agree. Just because you limit corporations does not mean you limit unions or celebs. How can you limit a persons freedom of speech on who they want to represent them? Sounds like you can not say what you want in public then. Why would I want to live under that rule?
I don't know what the world policies are. Maybe i have a negative perspective on the vast majority of politicians these days, but they rarely go into politics on the national level to be a public servant. Someone at the end of the day is in their office offering kick backs.
And we do limit it. So you agree that other countries do more to keep money out of politics or not?
You say you limit it, then you have given them a voice right? If it is an equal voice to others but "limited", then by very nature it is not limited. It is the same. Just like here. Everyone has the right to pile in equal amounts of money into a cause. Just like in the "limited" example. if people choose not to spend the maximum, did one group have a bigger voice or did the one party not have a message that felt worth investing in?
You say you limit it, then you have given them a voice right? If it is an equal voice to others but "limited", then by very nature it is not limited. It is the same. Just like here. Everyone has the right to pile in equal amounts of money into a cause. Just like in the "limited" example. if people choose not to spend the maximum, did one group have a bigger voice or did the one party not have a message that felt worth investing in?
For clarity here the NZ rules:
Parties limited
At the first election using the MMP (mixed-member proportional) system in 1996 spending limits were extended to political parties. Throughout 2008, for example, the largest two parties, Labour and National, had limits of about $2.4 million each. Since then the rules have been changed. In 2011 a political party seeking party and electorate votes was allowed to spend up to $1,065,000, plus $25,000 for each electorate it contested. The major parties had an allocation of $2,815,000 for the three months leading up to the election. Parties that did not contest the party vote were permitted to spend $25,000 per contested electorate.
State funding
Resources are also made available by the state for political parties to broadcast their message during the campaign. The Electoral Commission allocates time and money to be spent on television and radio advertisements, and on campaign opening and closing speeches. For example in 2008 $3.2 million and 102 minutes of television time was allocated to 14 parties – with 60% of the money going to Labour and National. Political parties are not permitted to use their own money to buy additional broadcast advertising.
Reason for the control:
Campaigning costs money, and issues relating to political finance and its regulation have been of increasing concern in New Zealand. Arguments are made about the unfairness of electoral participants having unequal amounts of money to spend on their campaigns, and the possibility of corruption resulting from donations made to campaigns. For these reasons there are a number of regulations about the use of money in elections.
If you are a third party promoter (promoting a candidate or party but are not a representative of the party):
All your advertisements must include your name and address, so people can see who's promoting them.
You'll need to register with us if you spend, or intend to spend, over $13,200 (including GST) on election advertising during the regulated period three months before the 2020 Election Day.
If you're registered, there's a limit on how much you can spend on advertising.
You're also responsible for keeping a record of your expenses. If you spend over $100,000, you'll need to report your expenses to us after the election.
If you're a publisher such as a newspaper that's just publishing an election advertisement that someone else is promoting, you're not a third party promoter.
These restrictions are in place for the period 3 months before an election until election day.
So Yes there is a limit on free speach in terms of how much you can spend but not what you can say and only for a 3 month period.
I have not heard the democrats point out a mistake. All I have heard from democrats is the same tired 3 or 4 recirculated talking points about giving free crap away that the middle class has to pay for, flooding the country and 2.5 years of Russians did it after they are the ones who paid for it. Of course before that it was the guns did it until the democrats were caught selling them to the Mexican cartels. I have not heard a single thing brought forward by democrats that would be an acceptable alternative?
Of course Trump does things that are not perfect. water is wet. The difference is, I don't have this idiotic myopic view of government and politicians that you democrats do. One decision at the top always has the chance of impacting 50% of the population in a negative manner. Are they long term or short term impacts is the key. Just like the democrat policy to tie welfare to not having a father in the household. Now fatherless households have sky rocketed and so has lack of education and violence to go with it. So much so 75% of black children do not have a father in the household. Democrats always try and convince people that the people give them more power, their lives would be grand. History shows how that ends up. Democrats either don't understand history which makes them ignorant or they understand history which makes the extremely dangerous.
If what you say is true, than why hasn't the GOP proposed anything to fix it?
You do realize that over 50% of US marriages end in divorce? Let me guess, they are all democrats.
And here is something else. You do understand that just about anything federal or state (not just welfare) is tied to total household income? Are you that ignorant to think that Americans are too stupid to realize they could save on their tax bill, their kids could qualify for more financial aid, etc. if they reduced to their household income? Because you keep using this same strawman that shouldn't seem reasonable to a person with a half-functioning brain. It's a route that the GOP chose to take when they decided they should demonize the black vote. If the GOP was wanting to attract voters, you sure as hell don't get it by insulting a subset of the American population. But look now, the GOP is trying it with the Hispanic American population. It's why you goons are so gung-ho about trying to maintain some sort of white majority.
Why is that? Democrats are the ones who got their period early when Bush put them on the axis of evil. I guess you forget about your sides little fits on wakeworld about that?
You also realize that NK is actually how leftist countries live don't you? They are what the policies of the democrats lead too and you and others lobby without hesitation to push the US there.
What are you talking about? When did the Democrats get upset about NK on the axis of evil? You know what I remember? How Hannity and the other Fox News goobers got upset when Obama mentioned meeting with the N. Koreans. They acted as though it was the worse thing a person could do. Then Trump goes and meets with Un, and they act like Trump is the ultimate negotiator. Of course, Un is still testing missles and talking about starting wars with everyone else in the world, and not a peep. The hypocrisy of you right-wingers knows no bounds.
Watching the dumbotwats go full Nazi with their threats, posting peoples names, now flying flags that state death to republicans, harassment & death threats to a 9 yr old girl for making fun of Cortez, trying to cover their own hate & crimes. It's frightening, yet satisfying to know those are the cries of a soon to be obsolete political party that knows they've now alienated more than half the country, effectively handing the government over to the republicans if they don't get their dream of a overwhelmingly Hispanic voter base to secure power. You think it's ugly now? ****s just starting to heat up.
OK back to kicking & fighting.
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