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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 11:04 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
What's funny is that it's not even the Jewish people that got triggered over it. She said absolutely nothing wrong or even untrue. Although we also pay Israel $4B a year to buy $3B of American weapons. So there is that too.
That's funny because there are 3 Jewish congress people are offended.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 11:06 AM Reply   
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If you can explain how Omar’s statements are antisemitic. I will do your homework for you. Here’s what she said:

"I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. I want to ask why is it OK for me to talk about the influence of the NRA (National Rifle Association), of fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policies?"
You like to forget this little tweet:

“Israel has hypnotised the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”

Besides there buddy row, the Republicans weren't the ones who are trying to do this. This is the democrats in your own evil little world workers party that wanted to bring up a vote on this. Not the Americans.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 11:13 AM Reply   
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Who give a s**t if she likes Jews. I commented on her statement, not her personal feeling about Jews. The US generates a lot of animosity towards itself in the world to support Israel. And the taxpayers are forced to pay Israel for a 3/4 kickback to the weapons industry, so that we can weaponize the ME even more. Yes, I know many xtians feel like it's their God mandated duty to do it. But not all of us are that stupid.
And that is why democrats are considered anti-semetic. It is the only culture in the whole region that is a democracy that also allows the Arab population to participate in it's government. Yet, you democrats are fine if they were to be overran by muslim hoards who murder and subjegate anyone who is not muslim. Makes sense and is right in line with democrats propensity for authoritarianism.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-08-2019, 11:15 AM Reply   
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You like to forget this little tweet:

“Israel has hypnotised the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”

Besides there buddy row, the Republicans weren't the ones who are trying to do this. This is the democrats in your own evil little world workers party that wanted to bring up a vote on this. Not the Americans.

Ahhh so the current hullabaloo is about a tweet from 2012?

And if that one is antisemitic, is this one racist? If not, why?

When will the U.S. stop sending $'s to our enemies, i.e. Mexico and others.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 11:17 AM Reply   
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Ahhh so the current hullabaloo is about a tweet from 2012?

And if that one is antisemitic, is this one racist? If not, why?

When will the U.S. stop sending $'s to our enemies, i.e. Mexico and others.
It is the body of her work. Why is someone like that in the foreign affairs committee?

What does money going to enemies have to do with this topic. You like to move the goal post when cornered.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-08-2019, 11:21 AM Reply   
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It is the body of her work. Why is someone like that in the foreign affairs committee?



What does money going to enemies have to do with this topic. You like to move the goal post when cornered.

Ok then what’s antisemitic about saying Israel has the world hypnotized? What if she said Facebook or Fox News or the socialists instead?

Why is the mere mention of Israel antisemitic? Because she invoked her imaginary sky man of choice in the statement?

Body of work, LOL. So all the stupid stuff trump said to get elected is still on the table too?

Oh yeah but words don’t actually matter...
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 11:59 AM Reply   
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^so you being an atheist know more about the after life than the other 90% of the human race that believe in a higher power? I would argue that no one really knows until its to late.
Based on that logic there's a much chance as alien barn owls feasting on your soul as anything else. But if you are rational then it's pretty much obvious that a dirt nap is self explanatory.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 12:02 PM Reply   
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That's funny because there are 3 Jewish congress people are offended.
Wow! Three people offended? That's like a national emergency. LOL
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 12:08 PM Reply   
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And that is why democrats are considered anti-semetic.
Exactly! It's a bulls**t accusation. People who think like that are just a bunch of tooled idiots.

It's like the phrase has lost it's original meaning. Now it also means that you disagree with the foreign policy of another country that contains Jewish people.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 12:23 PM Reply   
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Exactly! It's a bulls**t accusation. People who think like that are just a bunch of tooled idiots.

It's like the phrase has lost it's original meaning. Now it also means that you disagree with the foreign policy of another country that contains Jewish people.
Considering The US gives way more money to other countries yet you guys only seem to care about the money given to the Jews, so yeah. It looks that way.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 12:25 PM Reply   
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Ok then what’s antisemitic about saying Israel has the world hypnotized? What if she said Facebook or Fox News or the socialists instead?

Why is the mere mention of Israel antisemitic? Because she invoked her imaginary sky man of choice in the statement?

Body of work, LOL. So all the stupid stuff trump said to get elected is still on the table too?

Oh yeah but words don’t actually matter...
Why don't you read her "sky man" choice says to do to the Jews. If you don't want to use her words, then what about her support for and from Louis Farakahn the other anti-semetic group she supports.

You are really tied up in defending this woman. The reason this was even a topic this last week is because your radical leader Nancy P. decided they needed to bring this up for a vote then she got our radicalized by the radicals in her party. Walked out of the meeting and now is trying to save face and her leadership. Your party is moving further and further away from you.

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Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       03-08-2019, 12:26 PM Reply   
Now she is going after Obama!! Lol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...Vns?li=BBnbfcL

This chick is a complete idiot.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 12:31 PM Reply   
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Wow! Three people offended? That's like a national emergency. LOL
Enough that ol Nancy felt she needed to address it in a chamber of congress. Pretty bad when liberal authoritarian like Nancy has to try and use the hammer against her own and it backfires.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 12:54 PM Reply   
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Considering The US gives way more money to other countries yet you guys only seem to care about the money given to the Jews, so yeah. It looks that way.
Other than countries that we have invaded and blown up I'd like to hear what countries you are referring to. But yeah, I'm not for giving money to other countries as much as you appear to be. And I also have complained about the money we send to Afghanistan. Not a fan of compensating countries that harbor terrorists that attacked the US. But I guess there is some legitimacy in paying for your f**kups like Iraq.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 12:56 PM Reply   
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Enough that ol Nancy felt she needed to address it in a chamber of congress. Pretty bad when liberal authoritarian like Nancy has to try and use the hammer against her own and it backfires.
Never said stupidity doesn't cross political boundaries.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 12:57 PM Reply   
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Never said stupidity doesn't cross political boundaries.
I've got nothing.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-08-2019, 1:03 PM Reply   
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Other than countries that we have invaded and blown up I'd like to hear what countries you are referring to. But yeah, I'm not for giving money to other countries as much as you appear to be. And I also have complained about the money we send to Afghanistan. Not a fan of compensating countries that harbor terrorists that attacked the US. But I guess there is some legitimacy in paying for your f**kups like Iraq.
Pakistan (you know the place where UBL lived), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Sudan, and couple others are the big ones. We also give aid to Iraq and Afghanistan which are the two biggest. We give aid to Mexico. Trying to figure that one out.

I am mildly indifferent to giving money to other countries. Sure, it would be better if we did not but sometimes giving some money now makes it so we don't have to invest in wars there later.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-08-2019, 1:47 PM Reply   
Did you research those counties to see that they get more than Israel or just threw them out? If we didn't have so much interest in the ME we would have avoided a lot of war. And why do we have so much interest? Can't be oil. That's been denied a million times over every time someone calls the wars "blood for oil". Must be something interesting down there to spend trillions.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-08-2019, 2:23 PM Reply   
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Why don't you read her "sky man" choice says to do to the Jews. If you don't want to use her words, then what about her support for and from Louis Farakahn the other anti-semetic group she supports.

You are really tied up in defending this woman. The reason this was even a topic this last week is because your radical leader Nancy P. decided they needed to bring this up for a vote then she got our radicalized by the radicals in her party. Walked out of the meeting and now is trying to save face and her leadership. Your party is moving further and further away from you.


No man I don’t really know who she is at all. I’m really about trying to keep people honest. I want to know why THESE statements are antisemitic. You have been unable to explain, instead bringing up tweets from seven years ago... quite a stretch for a guy who “doesn’t pay attention to the tweets.” When asked why the seven year old tweet is offensive you say “read the Koran?” How about you just explain the antisemitic nature of the current statement that is the subject of the house resolution.

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Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-08-2019, 4:32 PM Reply   
Are we suppose to hate Jewish people now? I am confused, i need a play book as this is becoming hard to follow. WE hate, we don't hate, we lie, we don't lie. PLEASE help, gotta make sure we are hating the right group this week. I know, it will change next week, but must be on top of it. LOL
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-08-2019, 4:38 PM Reply   
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Are we suppose to hate Jewish people now? I am confused, i need a play book as this is becoming hard to follow. WE hate, we don't hate, we lie, we don't lie. PLEASE help, gotta make sure we are hating the right group this week. I know, it will change next week, but must be on top of it. LOL
Yeah, this week its The Girl Scouts.
https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/aoc-was-...o-the-cookies/
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-08-2019, 4:43 PM Reply   
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Yeah, this week its The Girl Scouts.
https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/aoc-was-...o-the-cookies/
What if they are Jewish girl scouts, are they banded or ok? Again confused
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-09-2019, 12:03 AM Reply   
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The tariffs are response to the trend. It takes years to see the results of policy decisions. This is a very big ship.
Ha ha, you are deluded. Trade deficit under Obama was trending down from Bush to Obama and now back up to new records under trump.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 5:21 AM Reply   
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And that is why democrats are considered anti-semetic. It is the only culture in the whole region that is a democracy that also allows the Arab population to participate in it's government. Yet, you democrats are fine if they were to be overran by muslim hoards who murder and subjegate anyone who is not muslim. Makes sense and is right in line with democrats propensity for authoritarianism.
By who? You? Look how many Jewish Democrats there are serving in the House and Senate. And then compare that number to the number of Jewish Republicans there are in the House and Senate. And then, you can get back to me. Until then, you are just spewing lies and delusions of grandeur.

Honest question. Do you feel that lying is the best way to win a debate?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 5:25 AM Reply   
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100% I am. This is why you democrats are so dangerous to modern democracy. Do you believe a culture that subjegates women, throws gays off of buildings, stones people in the square for having sex outside of marriage, mutilates female children's vagina's, believes that an old man can marry a 6 year old girls is equal to our culture?

If you do, then were have zero ground for discussion. I will just keep you in the dangerous pile.
If it was up to Christian evangelicals, we would have the same sort of governing occurring in the US.

You are so full of it and this is a prime example of what happens when you allow ancient myths and dogma to control your line of thinking. Religion (regardless of the brand you choose) has plagued this planet for millennia.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 5:36 AM Reply   
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^so you being an atheist know more about the after life than the other 90% of the human race that believe in a higher power? I would argue that no one really knows until its to late.
So that should drive my knowledge and common sense? Look, there is nothing about any religion that is remotely sane. Hearing voices in the sky (your head) is a symptom of schizophrenia. I accepted the fact some time ago that there is nothing after death. Humans concocted this whole life after death notion because people cannot accept that when you die, that's it. Over time, now its just transformed into a country club in the sky.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 5:52 AM Reply   
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Why don't you read her "sky man" choice says to do to the Jews. If you don't want to use her words, then what about her support for and from Louis Farakahn the other anti-semetic group she supports.

You are really tied up in defending this woman. The reason this was even a topic this last week is because your radical leader Nancy P. decided they needed to bring this up for a vote then she got our radicalized by the radicals in her party. Walked out of the meeting and now is trying to save face and her leadership. Your party is moving further and further away from you.
No, the reason this is a topic is because you right-wingers believe if anyone says anything negative about the Israeli government, they are anti-Semitic. I heard the same sort of nonsense when people criticized Ben Netanyahu.

Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that only Christians should be serving in the US government? It would make you sound a lot more genuine.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-09-2019, 6:02 AM Reply   
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No, the reason this is a topic is because you right-wingers believe if anyone says anything negative about the Israeli government, they are anti-Semitic. I heard the same sort of nonsense when people criticized Ben Netanyahu.

Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that only Christians should be serving in the US government? It would make you sound a lot more genuine.
Why so much hate towards the jews? Do all Muslims hate jews or just her?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-09-2019, 7:18 AM Reply   
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So that should drive my knowledge and common sense? Look, there is nothing about any religion that is remotely sane. Hearing voices in the sky (your head) is a symptom of schizophrenia. I accepted the fact some time ago that there is nothing after death. Humans concocted this whole life after death notion because people cannot accept that when you die, that's it. Over time, now its just transformed into a country club in the sky.
It takes MUCH more faith to be an atheist. MUCH more.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-09-2019, 7:20 AM Reply   
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If it was up to Christian evangelicals, we would have the same sort of governing occurring in the US.

You are so full of it and this is a prime example of what happens when you allow ancient myths and dogma to control your line of thinking. Religion (regardless of the brand you choose) has plagued this planet for millennia.
More lies out of you.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-09-2019, 7:24 AM Reply   
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It takes MUCH more faith to be an atheist. MUCH more.
No, that's technically wrong. More courage maybe, but more faith no, unless you want to redefine what "faith" means.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-09-2019, 7:25 AM Reply   
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Why don't you just come out and say that you believe that only Christians should be serving in the US government? It would make you sound a lot more genuine.
That would be splendid. For one, the baby murdering would stop. So many other benefits. Too many to count...
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-09-2019, 7:25 AM Reply   
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No, that's technically wrong. More courage maybe, but more faith no, unless you want to redefine what "faith" means.
Faith=something you believe, but can't see.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-09-2019, 7:37 AM Reply   
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Faith=something you believe, but can't see.


Like electricity? Wifi?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-09-2019, 7:38 AM Reply   
Something you believe but cannot possibly prove would be a better definition.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-09-2019, 7:39 AM Reply   
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Why so much hate towards the jews? Do all Muslims hate jews or just her?


So what *specifically* about her statements is hateful?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-09-2019, 8:11 AM Reply   
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So what *specifically* about her statements is hateful?
He's just confused. He even started another thread trying to get people to educate him on why he voted for Trump.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-09-2019, 8:53 AM Reply   
I am confused, its tough being a democrat in todays world. Who to hate, who not to hate, following all the new rules, having to like the possible future tax hike, gov health care, socialism, new abortion game, giving up anything requiring the use of OIL! The end of the world in 12 years, SO many new directions I must follow, its exhausting. I wish they would give me a heads up, like a rule book
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-09-2019, 8:59 AM Reply   
Maybe I should get my wife prepped to have to wear a headscarf. I think that could be coming, want to be prepped.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-09-2019, 9:06 AM Reply   
dougr, nothing to it. Just join Delta in his "get triggered over everything club" and then you don't have to decide who to hate. Just hate everyone!
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 11:54 AM Reply   
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It takes MUCH more faith to be an atheist. MUCH more.
It takes ZERO faith. Just an acceptance of reality.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-09-2019, 11:57 AM Reply   
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That would be splendid. For one, the baby murdering would stop. So many other benefits. Too many to count...
"Baby murdering"? LOL
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       03-11-2019, 11:52 AM Reply   
Trump throws in support to end Day light savings time. Is this something we can all agree on? I hate it getting dark early!
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-11-2019, 12:42 PM Reply   
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Trump throws in support to end Day light savings time. Is this something we can all agree on? I hate it getting dark early!
Florida voted affirmative on that last year.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-11-2019, 1:14 PM Reply   
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Trump throws in support to end Day light savings time. Is this something we can all agree on? I hate it getting dark early!


Wouldn’t ending it make it get dark early permanently? I mean it’s “regular time” in the winter and then advanced for the rest of the year, right?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-11-2019, 1:50 PM Reply   
Yes. Its one of those pesky science things. The sun doesnt always hit the earth at the same angle. You just have to have great faith and believe it.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-11-2019, 1:58 PM Reply   
Just to be clear... Florida voted for year round DST. But there are people circulating petitions to never go to DST, which I do not support.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-11-2019, 2:40 PM Reply   
I had a great conversation with a CRAZY liberal wing nut, and funny as he was, he was saying "when will we all get together to stop the socialists" I laughed, said never will happen, the left is too excited for free stuff. he agreed
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-11-2019, 3:07 PM Reply   
You mean like social security and medicare?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-11-2019, 3:16 PM Reply   
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You mean like social security and medicare?
Are you collecting social security and medicare currently?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-11-2019, 3:37 PM Reply   
nope Im not that old.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-11-2019, 7:41 PM Reply   
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I had a great conversation with a CRAZY liberal wing nut, and funny as he was, he was saying "when will we all get together to stop the socialists" I laughed, said never will happen, the left is too excited for free stuff. he agreed
Yip, does sound crazy but nope, doesn't sound liberal. Only brain dead right wingers describe socialized education and Healthcare as "Free". Weirdly they never describe the police or military as free even though it's funded the same way. Such a conundrum.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-12-2019, 6:25 AM Reply   
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Yip, does sound crazy but nope, doesn't sound liberal. Only brain dead right wingers describe socialized education and Healthcare as "Free". Weirdly they never describe the police or military as free even though it's funded the same way. Such a conundrum.
Ralph, you're showing a special kind of stupid. It's the left here, who says exactly "it's free". They don't show the devil in the details. But what would you know? You're a braishwashed a sheep that only gets his USA news from CNN.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-12-2019, 7:39 AM Reply   
LOL @ Dumbat calling Ralph stupid. Ralph's exactly spot on that right wing morons are the one's calling all this stuff free. It's a stupid strawman accusation they keep throwing out. But idiots like Dumbat wouldn't know a strawman argument even if they got hit in the face with a dictionary opened to the page.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-12-2019, 9:48 AM Reply   
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Yip, does sound crazy but nope, doesn't sound liberal. Only brain dead right wingers describe socialized education and Healthcare as "Free". Weirdly they never describe the police or military as free even though it's funded the same way. Such a conundrum.
Republicans know exactly that it is not free because unlike democrats, we understand taxes and their impact. It is a relatively very poor investment that if you were to put in the same money into the stock market, we would all retire millionaires. The free component is the ones who never paid in to the system.

Police and Military. Never heard anyone complain about that.

If you want to get to the free argument, we know exactly what that is. It is people who refuse to work or to even perform their most basic societal task and get a high school education when society ponies up the money for people to go. Then they want to be shocked that they can not contribute to society or again the other side of that, the unwilling to participate and want "free stuff".
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       03-12-2019, 9:49 AM Reply   
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dougr, nothing to it. Just join Delta in his "get triggered over everything club" and then you don't have to decide who to hate. Just hate everyone!
Hey John, when you guys decide which bathroom to use let us know so you can join the discussion.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-12-2019, 10:47 AM Reply   
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Hey John, when you guys decide which bathroom to use let us know so you can join the discussion.
Who wants to talk to you?
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       03-12-2019, 10:49 AM Reply   
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LOL @ Dumbat calling Ralph stupid. Ralph's exactly spot on that right wing morons are the one's calling all this stuff free. It's a stupid strawman accusation they keep throwing out. But idiots like Dumbat wouldn't know a strawman argument even if they got hit in the face with a dictionary opened to the page.
It brings me pleasure knowing you're a lonely old fart whos time on this planet is almost up.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-12-2019, 12:13 PM Reply   
How the F does paul manafort get only 47 months when sentencing guidelines suggest 19-24 years? I guess Judge Ellis agrees rich guys shouldn't spend much time in jail.
https://apnews.com/0d4618422fd04c1aa1ce3cd3604e656b
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-12-2019, 12:17 PM Reply   
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Republicans know exactly that it is not free because unlike democrats, we understand taxes and their impact.
That's a lovely fairy tale but not even close to being true, in recent history it's the democrats who have shown more fiscal responsibility than the Repubicans.

Look, it's easy to rebut the stupidest version of the argument but what responsible liberals want is a better level of healthcare and education available to all citizens and reduction in wealth inequality, corporate cronyism and military spending. Sadly the DNC is infested with corporate democrats totally corrupted with there snouts in the trough.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-12-2019, 2:21 PM Reply   
Agree ralph, politics is a dirty $$ game. Most politicians have been bankrolled by lobbyists their entire careers. Its going to be difficult to change that.
Two points, the Dems are not giving billionaires excessive tax cuts and trying to get the middle class to pay for them by reducing retirements, Medicare, Medicaid. And in congress there are several Dem. reps/senators trying to get $$ out of campaigns. Seen trumps budget?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-12-2019, 2:27 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by dougr View Post
Are you collecting social security and medicare currently?
you should find a way to get on it now, let us know how it works, stop paying your medical and see how well you get care. Its a small group of 65+ who are on it. welfare for kids and those who cannot mentally manage. I think you need to see what its like in Canada.

14 yr old in car accident shatters he arm in multiple places. Amputation was the recommendation. 9 surgeries later in the USA, she is now 23 and has a fully functional arm. Kinda sad. I guess when everyone is in the system, you have to make sacrifices. Thank god the family brought her here!
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       03-12-2019, 3:35 PM Reply   
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Who wants to talk to you?
Okay, enough with the bitter, little old man routine.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-12-2019, 4:22 PM Reply   
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you should find a way to get on it now, let us know how it works, stop paying your medical and see how well you get care. Its a small group of 65+ who are on it. welfare for kids and those who cannot mentally manage. I think you need to see what its like in Canada.

14 yr old in car accident shatters he arm in multiple places. Amputation was the recommendation. 9 surgeries later in the USA, she is now 23 and has a fully functional arm. Kinda sad. I guess when everyone is in the system, you have to make sacrifices. Thank god the family brought her here!
Wonder what country this was in...

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...operate-at-all
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-12-2019, 4:23 PM Reply   
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Okay, enough with the bitter, little old man routine.
I would say as soon as you stop with the moron routine, but that would be an unfair request.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       03-12-2019, 7:35 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
No doubt, terrible, but When do you decide, or how to do decide to give up your ability to choose? When did you just give up, let someone control you? i want to understand, really, just cant see allowing the system to totally control everything. Some of the best socialist countries are failing, and the left wants this? Crazy
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-12-2019, 9:46 PM Reply   
It's quite possible to run socialized healthcare AND private side by side, it's what we do here. So you have a quite reasonable level of care provided to everyone regardless of their ability to pay and you have the option to take insurance and have access to the best of the best healthcare if that's what you want and can afford. It's what we do in NZ, I take health insurance because I can afford it, my wife and my friends wife both got breast cancer within a year of each other, we were private, they were public both recieve excellent care. Nobody was bankrupted in the process.

And before you say we can't afford it as a country, NZ spends half the amount of money per GDP on Healthcare than the states and we have a fully functional system for everyone, with choice. The US is an economic power house, supposedly the greatest economy in the world, how can you not afford it? Face it, you guys are being ripped off and your politicians have enabled it for years.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-13-2019, 8:24 AM Reply   
Who is Laughing @ the Latest news of Liberial Elitists, paying off Schools & Coaches for high end College admission. These are Probably the same people advocating Free Admission to Schools and open boarders.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-13-2019, 10:34 AM Reply   
Dude, its not a Left/right thing. Its a thing the rich can afford to do and those without the $$ cant. Why the need to make up crap that attempts to divide people? People who do this look dum AF when proved wrong. Do you know how Jared Kushner got into Harvard? Is he a Liberal elitist too? Here, ill help you.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ny/3147027002/
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-13-2019, 11:10 AM Reply   
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Who is Laughing @ the Latest news of Liberial Elitists, paying off Schools & Coaches for high end College admission. These are Probably the same people advocating Free Admission to Schools and open boarders.

Yeah not seeing it as so much of a left right thing as a rich vs poor thing. There was a great tweet about this yesterday that kinda nailed it. Said something like the top 10% cheat by buying their kids test prep courses, the top 1% cheat by bribing their way in, and the top .01% cheat by making big endowment contributions (the Keushner example).

Hit home for me because I certainly fall in that 10% category. We spent $$$ for our kids to make sure they were the most prepared for college, whether via choosing the more expensive part of town with the best schools, or paying for test prep, or encouraging extracurriculars instead of working after school like I did in HS.

I don’t find this stuff terribly shocking to be honest... seems like something that the less ethical aspiring wealthy would do. I imagine Manafort or his sidekick Rick Gates would’ve been totally down for this for instance.

Wealth has its privileges (see Manafort sentencing).
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-13-2019, 12:34 PM Reply   
Ya know what I find Funny. Is how the LEFT always try's to change the Facts. Case in point,

March 13th 2019 (Yesterday) Hollywood Elite ( Democrats) are named in a pay for admission collage scandal. How does the left Respond? "Jared Kushner' and a book about his collage from 2006.

Question: WTF does a Accusation about Jared Kushner and a book about his collage from 2006 have to do with what was announced yesterday? Answer He is linked to TRUMP and some how that makes it ok? your Like any Typical Democrat, its never your fault and shift the blame to the other side.

Did Jared Kushner "pay to play" If you have proof why not include him with the 50 others charged. other wise stay on topic, stop trying to shift blame.

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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-13-2019, 1:35 PM Reply   
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Ya know what I find Funny. Is how the LEFT always try's to change the Facts.

Did Jared Kushner "pay to play" If you have proof why not include him with the 50 others charged. other wise stay on topic, stop trying to shift blame.

Is it NOT a fact that he DID pay to play? That’s not really changing “the facts” to say dad walked in the front door and made a $2.5M donation and Jared was admitted.

Haha haha maybe the real scandal is why would Jared want to attend such an Ivy League ivory tower liberal institution as Harvard in the first place. The MAGA guys all go to Bob Jones U right?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-13-2019, 1:47 PM Reply   
You have the story wrong or at least greatly slanted.
The story is about RICH people buying their kids way into college. Saying that its only Hollywood elite (democrats) implies that RICH republicans dont do the exact same. Kushner is a RICH republican whos dad greased the skids to the tune of $2.5M so his unqualified republican son could skate into Harvard. Does calling him a republican change the story? The only difference here is that he wasnt caught in that particular sting operation. His pay to play story is nothing new and was reported a long time ago. The rich have been paying off whoever to get whatever since the beginning of time. This is no different. Did they have to show their Libratard card to get into UCLA or was anyone's cash accepted? Loosen the plastic adjustment strap on your MAGA hat one or two notch's and realize that this is a story about how rich people operate and not a political story.
Here is the list. Can you name the Dems and Repubs?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/u...giannulli.html

Not even breitbart mentions political leanings.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...g-allegations/

So, I find it funny you feel the need to make it a dem V. Repub issue.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-13-2019, 2:28 PM Reply   
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Ya know what I find Funny. Is how the LEFT always try's to change the Facts. Case in point, ....
I think the story is more about how the right wingers here are stupid enough to believe that some rich people, who are presumed to be liberal have anything to do with the policy opinions of the general public. It's like you guys are taking classes on how to be ignorant morons. And surprising are quick learners.

Nobody is trying to shift blame. I haven't seen one word of support here for the actions of those involved in this scandal. What they are pointing out is that if the same sort of thing happens with people surrounding Trump you don't care. But when it happens with someone who has nothing to do with f**k'n anything, the first thing you do is latch onto the idea that they might be liberal and that proves something, which it doesn't.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-13-2019, 2:38 PM Reply   
Ok Ill break it down. I know you all have TDS and you cant see or hear anything that CNN or MSM tells you. You dog whistle has you only saying what they want you to say or feel.
HERE IS MY POINT I will take the R vs D out of it so you Duma-Craps can see.

Today's NEWS headline "people caught in Pay for Admission Sting"

LIBTARD response "Jared Kushner' supposedly did it in 2006
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       03-13-2019, 4:16 PM Reply   
Let me make this clear to you... Nobody has to watch CNN or MSM to understand that these people have nothing to do with politics or party. Unfortunately you aren't smart enough to understand that point. And since you are trying to make it a political issue, they are pointing how big a hypocrite you are for ignoring similar behavior in the WH. I OTOH understand how fruitless it is to educate you idiots, so I just go right to the point and explain it with the kinds of words that you understand. You know... pointing out how stupid you are for believing that some rich celebrities have anything to do with politics and policy.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       03-13-2019, 4:23 PM Reply   
Grant I think we are all on the same side here. Nobody likes it when daddy buys his kids’ way into elite U.

The more nuanced point I was trying to introduce is that the game is rigged in favor of the wealthy, who even when playing “fairly” can make their kid more prepared than most people.

Is that fair? Dunno. Rich folks definitely hog the lions share of elite college admissions, which suggests that even when kids get in the “fair” way, there’s a heavy bias in favor of wealth.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-13-2019, 4:54 PM Reply   
You are a smart guy G. I see what you did there. Why would a libtard talk about Kushner if you were just talking about run of the mill cheats right? You cant even fake an after the fact fair argument. After this and grandma obamas retirement pay, how will markj ever look up to you again?
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Ok Ill break it down. I know you all have TDS and you cant see or hear anything that CNN or MSM tells you. You dog whistle has you only saying what they want you to say or feel.
Substitute FOX for cnn and Isnt that exactly what you are doing? You are the ONLY one who brought up politics. Everyone else saw rich people cheating.

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Today's NEWS headline "people caught in Pay for Admission Sting"

LIBTARD response "Jared Kushner' supposedly did it in 2006
Hey did you see the headlines?... people cheating to get their kids into college?
Libtard response....
https://www.salon.com/2019/03/13/don...ege-admission/
Every F'n glasshouse rock throwin one of them. Its like a Libtard checkmate. lol.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-13-2019, 5:47 PM Reply   
95, like usual you got it all twisted. I’ll break it down for you again.
(Yesterday’s Headline); Hollywood Elite Collage Admission Scandle”
(Today’s Headline) “Jarred Kushner’s Dad donated years earlier.

You Lib tards love to flip the script, and that’s Fine we know fake Outrage, You Guys invented it.

And I still stand by Obama’s Grandma! 200k is way to much LOL LOL LOL
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-13-2019, 7:05 PM Reply   
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Who is Laughing @ the Latest news of Liberial Elitists, paying off Schools & Coaches for high end College admission. These are Probably the same people advocating Free Admission to Schools and open boarders.
You did see that one of the people arrested was Lori Loughlin? She was Uncle Jesse's wife in Full House and is in Fuller House. She is a big-time Christian conservative. Why in the hell is everything political with you?
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