2020 dem pres pick

Originally Posted by ralph

Bernie is a democratic socialist which means he believes in private property rights, capitalist economic system with socialized healthcare and education.

Socialism is collective property rights, planned economy. The terms are pretty similar but the systems are completely different.

when the idiots say socialism, I think socialism.

Originally Posted by denverd1

when the idiots say socialism, I think socialism.

Exactly! That's why Republicans keep saying it.

Originally Posted by fly135

Exactly! That's why Republicans keep saying it.

Andrew Yang. Universal basic income of $1,000 per month for everyone. Explain how this is not socialism.

Originally Posted by denverd1

Andrew Yang. Universal basic income of $1,000 per month for everyone. Explain how this is not socialism.

How is it different from free police, free fire, free education, free military, free roads and highways?

Or better yet, how does such a staunchly republican state like Alaska participate in such a similar scheme and not go all ANTIFA?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

How is it different from free police, free fire, free education, free military, free roads and highways?

Or better yet, how does such a staunchly republican state like Alaska participate in such a similar scheme and not go all ANTIFA?

False. None of that is Free. Kids in California have to pay for the bus to school. Taxes are already so high to support what you have there, that middle class is getting to be none existent.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

False. None of that is Free. Kids in California have to pay for the bus to school. Taxes are already so high to support what you have there, that middle class is getting to be none existent.

Of course it's not free. It's all paid for with taxes. Collecting taxes and spending them for the public good is not socialism.

If all you are talking about is the redistribution of wealth, then is the $28B (and counting) "bailout" of farmers as the result of cancelled sales to the Chinese (far far more than the "government motors" bailout ended up costing) also socialism? If not, why not? What about the mortgage interest deduction?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Of course it's not free. It's all paid for with taxes. Collecting taxes and spending them for the public good is not socialism.



If all you are talking about is the redistribution of wealth, then is the $28B (and counting) "bailout" of farmers as the result of cancelled sales to the Chinese (far far more than the "government motors" bailout ended up costing) also socialism? If not, why not? What about the mortgage interest deduction?

Giving away 1000 a month for absolutely no reason is a very big step closer to socialism. While it may not technically be defined as socialism, it's a far cry from the capitalist system the country was founded upon.

AOC is a self proclaimed socialist. And the left parades her dumbass around like we should put her face on the statue of liberty.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

How is it different from free police, free fire, free education, free military, free roads and highways?

Or better yet, how does such a staunchly republican state like Alaska participate in such a similar scheme and not go all ANTIFA?

Those are services enjoyed by everyone in the community. not just the unemployed

Originally Posted by denverd1

Those are services enjoyed by everyone in the community. not just the unemployed

That and they are trying to attract people to settle there, otherwise their worker base will move away for better climate.

Originally Posted by denverd1

Those are services enjoyed by everyone in the community. not just the unemployed

That would also be the case with the freedom dividend (i.e. $1k a month UBI). Everyone gets, not just the unemployed.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

That would also be the case with the freedom dividend (i.e. $1k a month UBI). Everyone gets, not just the unemployed.

If everyone gets it, then where are you pulling the billions away from? Price of basic needs will rise to capture that offset in cash. Soon you start looking like California where you have so many regulated "have too's" that people can not even afford to by into the most basics of the standards of living

Originally Posted by denverd1

Andrew Yang. Universal basic income of $1,000 per month for everyone. Explain how this is not socialism.

Socialism is socializing the means of production and dissolving private property rights. Explain how UBI is socialism?

Originally Posted by ralph

Socialism is socializing the means of production and dissolving private property rights. Explain how UBI is socialism?

Is your hard earned money not your property? You can keep it put under your bed. Almost anything with it. Illegal to destroy but it is yours. It is in place of chickens, goats, and daughters of days gone by. The money you force from my hand is the more labor I have to produce to make up for it. That is socializing and forcing my labor to survive.

Basically what you are trying to argue is if I don't come down and take your grain, but instead take all the money you made from the grain sale, then it is not socialism? right.......

Originally Posted by denverd1

when the idiots say socialism, I think socialism.

It's socialism like every conservative is a right wing white nationalist I guess.

Originally Posted by ralph

It's socialism like every conservative is a right wing white nationalist I guess.

You don't really hear local political commentary. Everything is framed as white man did this or that to such and such person of color or women. They talk (democrats) like white people are all a monolithic block. They even pass laws to keep white people down like they are all rich and being white automatically makes you rich. So, if one can be painted that way so can the other.