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Meatloaf kicked the bucket too.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Meatloaf kicked the bucket too.

because he was way fat and wasnt vaxxed. What a surprise.

Originally Posted by 95sn

because he was way fat and wasnt vaxxed. What a surprise.

He was also 75 which is just around the average life expectancy for a male in the US.

This was probably Tucker Carlson's first attempt at journalism.

He was unvaxxed and died of covid fool.
A Herman Cain award winner.

So. He was also old and overweight his whole life. Seems to me he did pretty well. There is that deal again though. Overwhelming amount of people who die of covid are over the age of 65 and have other co-morbilities. Huh. Who would have thought. Yep. Need to cover the face of 2 year olds and tell them they can not be a part of life without a vaccine. Or old fat guy dies of covid, we should fire all the nurses who fought and lived just fine during the pandemic.

Little secret. All the vaxed people are getting covid too now.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

So. He was also old and overweight his whole life. Seems to me he did pretty well. There is that deal again though. Overwhelming amount of people who die of covid are over the age of 65 and have other co-morbilities. Huh. Who would have thought. Yep. Need to cover the face of 2 year olds and tell them they can not be a part of life without a vaccine. Or old fat guy dies of covid, we should fire all the nurses who fought and lived just fine during the pandemic.

Little secret. All the vaxed people are getting covid too now.

Yes he was old and overweight, what an educated person might say is THE PERFECT CANDIDATE TO GET VACCINATED. If vaccinated, he had a 94% chance of living, even at 74.
They may get covid, but they wont die. Saying things like that is what makes you an idiot.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Yes he was old and overweight, what an educated person might say is THE PERFECT CANDIDATE TO GET VACCINATED. If vaccinated, he had a 94% chance of living, even at 74.
They may get covid, but they wont die. Saying things like that is what makes you an idiot.

I agree. He would be a perfect candidate. Then again, the percentages you speak about are for the original. A little less for Delta and even less for Omicron. Even less if he did not have a booster in all cases. All we know is he died , they tested him for COVID and called it a COVID death like they have been doing. Point is you don't know for certain. On the other side. So what. He lived by his convictions and died by them. That is his right. He got to make a choice which seems to be against you authoritarians point of view.

I do know for certain, he was unvaxxed and died of Covid. He was an outspoken critic of vaccines and masking like you and mallcop, that makles him a Herman Cain award winner. You are the one living in a fantasyland. Remind me, how old is trump? Hes vaxxed and boosted and still alive and kicking.
What a choice, live or die, flip the bird to to the wife and kids, grandkids and choose the dead route. Stupid tin hat wearing conspiracy believing fool. Thats a quitter. No one likes a quitter.
"I'll do anything.... But I wont do that" The End.

Originally Posted by 95sn

I do know for certain, he was unvaxxed and died of Covid. He was an outspoken critic of vaccines and masking like you and mallcop, that makles him a Herman Cain award winner. You are the one living in a fantasyland. Remind me, how old is trump? Hes vaxxed and boosted and still alive and kicking.
What a choice, live or die, flip the bird to to the wife and kids, grandkids and choose the dead route. Stupid tin hat wearing conspiracy believing fool. Thats a quitter. No one likes a quitter.
"I'll do anything.... But I wont do that" The End.

I would rather have people like him than **** birds like you. People like you and the democrats in general politicized covid to win an election. Makes you evil and evil is. Now you are politicizing this guys death. classy as can be.

I am for the vaccines. I am against mandates and for allowing people to chose as wait and see approach if they want. If you are vaccinated, then quit worrying about what other people do.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I would rather have people like him than **** birds like you. People like you and the democrats in general politicized covid to win an election. Makes you evil and evil is. Now you are politicizing this guys death. classy as can be.

I am for the vaccines. I am against mandates and for allowing people to chose as wait and see approach if they want. If you are vaccinated, then quit worrying about what other people do.

You would rather have dead people than living? WTF? He didnt vax, lied about them and then died of Covid. Winner !!! Thats the one you choose? Why blame me for politicizing his death, Did I go out and say Vaccines dont work? That was Meat. Ddid I refuse to vax up? Did the Fatman refuse to vax up?
If you want to appear like you are For Vaccines, maybe stop your daily misinformation sessions and just say, Get vaccinated, get boosted.
Wanna know why the mandates?
1. they work.
2. Some people, like Meat, would be alive today if they were vaxxed.
3. There is zero downside to reducing risk.

Originally Posted by 95sn

You would rather have dead people than living? WTF? He didnt vax, lied about them and then died of Covid. Winner !!! Thats the one you choose? Why blame me for politicizing his death, Did I go out and say Vaccines dont work? That was Meat. Ddid I refuse to vax up? Did the Fatman refuse to vax up?
If you want to appear like you are For Vaccines, maybe stop your daily misinformation sessions and just say, Get vaccinated, get boosted.
Wanna know why the mandates?
1. they work.
2. Some people, like Meat, would be alive today if they were vaxxed.
3. There is zero downside to reducing risk.

We don't know what he said. We know what people have reported in their words on what he may or may not said. This is a game of telephone at best. Unless you are going to sit hear and tell us you hated Meatloaf since 1977 when he put out his hit song because xyz thing and you have latched on to his every word since then like you did Trump.

Why blame for politicizing his death? What is the point of doing it. Makes you look ugly, that is why.

I don't want to appear to be for anything but the truth. You don't know what the vaccines may or may not do in several years to us. Matter of fact it is reported those records are sealed for the next dozen years or so. Kind of makes you wonder why? People have the right to be concerned about it. Considering vast majority are over 65 and have other issues, I think school children, teens and vast majority of healthy adults have the right to take a wait and see approach. If they chose wrong, it happens. They get the choice to join the military and go to a war zone, smoke, drink, drive fast, drink drive and smoke at the same time, apparently do drugs is now a right. So this is the hill you want to die on huh?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

We don't know what he said. We know what people have reported in their words on what he may or may not said. This is a game of telephone at best. Unless you are going to sit hear and tell us you hated Meatloaf since 1977 when he put out his hit song because xyz thing and you have latched on to his every word since then like you did Trump.

Why blame for politicizing his death? What is the point of doing it. Makes you look ugly, that is why.

I don't want to appear to be for anything but the truth. You don't know what the vaccines may or may not do in several years to us. Matter of fact it is reported those records are sealed for the next dozen years or so. Kind of makes you wonder why? People have the right to be concerned about it. Considering vast majority are over 65 and have other issues, I think school children, teens and vast majority of healthy adults have the right to take a wait and see approach. If they chose wrong, it happens. They get the choice to join the military and go to a war zone, smoke, drink, drive fast, drink drive and smoke at the same time, apparently do drugs is now a right. So this is the hill you want to die on huh?

WE? You got a frog in your pocket?
I know what he said and you know what he said. Everyone knows he was anti vax and died from the virus he thought was a hoax. Where did he get that idea? Does he listen to you and Mallcop, that is what you say daily. You dont get to be a Herman Cain Award winner without deserving it. Feel free to keep your head in the sand, blinders on just like you do with every idiot you defend.
If you would like to be "for truth" stop being anti vax. Just say Vax up, booster up. Thats it. Unless you also want a Herman Cain Nomination. If there were issues with the Vax we would know. Do you know the old saying about pilots? There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots.
If you take chances, your risk of death increases. Why do think life insurance for race car drivers, skydivers, smokers is higher than those who dont. Because facts. Ask the families of drug addicts, alcoholics, Herman Cain winners.
You know what happens when you wait and see? You get another variant, perhaps the next will be more deadly, you wanna gamble on that too? It costs more.

Originally Posted by 95sn

You would rather have dead people than living? WTF? He didnt vax, lied about them and then died of Covid. Winner !!! Thats the one you choose? Why blame me for politicizing his death, Did I go out and say Vaccines dont work? That was Meat. Ddid I refuse to vax up? Did the Fatman refuse to vax up?
If you want to appear like you are For Vaccines, maybe stop your daily misinformation sessions and just say, Get vaccinated, get boosted.
Wanna know why the mandates?
1. they work.
2. Some people, like Meat, would be alive today if they were vaxxed.
3. There is zero downside to reducing risk.

Let's go back and address number 3. yes there is downside to reducing risk. The destruction of our economy. They isolation of people and the severe effect it has on the social development of children. If you want zero risk. Just plug us all in like the matrix and let the machines do the work.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Let's go back and address number 3. yes there is downside to reducing risk. The destruction of our economy. They isolation of people and the severe effect it has on the social development of children. If you want zero risk. Just plug us all in like the matrix and let the machines do the work.

How does getting vaccinated, #3, effect the economy. It only helps stabilize it. Vaccination has no neg effect, nor hinders social development, again the vaccinated can be more social, protects child development.

Originally Posted by 95sn

You would rather have dead people than living? WTF? He didnt vax, lied about them and then died of Covid. Winner !!! Thats the one you choose? Why blame me for politicizing his death, Did I go out and say Vaccines dont work? That was Meat. Ddid I refuse to vax up? Did the Fatman refuse to vax up?
If you want to appear like you are For Vaccines, maybe stop your daily misinformation sessions and just say, Get vaccinated, get boosted.
Wanna know why the mandates?
1. they work.
2. Some people, like Meat, would be alive today if they were vaxxed.
3. There is zero downside to reducing risk.

Should their be a mandate to save lives. like no Abortions, that would save over 1milliion lives a year? Would that be fair? So mandating things seems to be the wave the left likes to sling, Freedom of choice, a very left movement, only applies to childbirth, but not vaccines? Seems strange that its a person right to kill something, but not to choose a vaccine? Maybe we should mandate all women have to use birth control? Or all Democrats have to pay higher taxes to offset their spending agenda.

We can make a lot of mandates, but if freedom to choose is important to anyone, the choice to anything or everything will hinge on the people willing to give up their rights.

Last time i checked, the left is very angry with Roe v Wade being turned. Seems they want to keep the right to choose?

Originally Posted by dougr

Should their be a mandate to save lives. like no Abortions, that would save over 1milliion lives a year? Would that be fair? So mandating things seems to be the wave the left likes to sling, Freedom of choice, a very left movement, only applies to childbirth, but not vaccines? Seems strange that its a person right to kill something, but not to choose a vaccine? Maybe we should mandate all women have to use birth control? Or all Democrats have to pay higher taxes to offset their spending agenda.

We can make a lot of mandates, but if freedom to choose is important to anyone, the choice to anything or everything will hinge on the people willing to give up their rights.

Last time i checked, the left is very angry with Roe v Wade being turned. Seems they want to keep the right to choose?

So, are we attempting to compare abortions with vaccinations? 5 seconds for prick on the arm with forced parenthood, minimum 18 years of the time and $ to raise a child? Seems a pretty crazy comparison if you think about it for a quick minute.
We have plenty of "mandates" and laws to "save lives". Seatbelts, drinking and driving laws, 1000's of OSHA rules at work, gun laws, laws making it illegal to strike another, dozens of laws on consumer products, building and safety laws when building...its endless.
As long as were just throwing ish at the wall why not make it illegal for a man to impregnate a woman? She cant need an abortion w/o his seed, right? Should we make a law to financially support all children born w/ a single mother? Should the state, FED or the father pay? Should we mandate castration pills to all men of age? Should all men who impregnate a woman who eventually has an abortion be jailed? 7th grade health says it takes 2 to tango.
Due to the higher taxes Blue states pay, they are able to support the poor red states.
"Here’s the irony. Residents of “blue” states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of “red” states send less money to Washington than they get back in federal help.

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar it sent to Washington. New York got back 81 cents, Connecticut: 82 cents, and Massachusetts: 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it’s the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar it sent to Washington. West Virginia: $2.07. Kentucky: $1.90. And South Carolina: $1.71.
Under Trump’s new tax law, blue states will be giving even more welfare handouts to red states. That’s because the law set new limits to the amount of state and local taxes people can deduct from their federal taxable incomes. And since people in blue states pay much more state and local taxes than people in red states, blue-staters will be paying that much more in federal taxes.
Which means an even bigger transfer from blue state residents to all those red state Republican voters, whose party despises handouts.

Originally Posted by 95sn

I do know for certain, he was unvaxxed and died of Covid. He was an outspoken critic of vaccines and masking like you and mallcop, that makles him a Herman Cain award winner. You are the one living in a fantasyland. Remind me, how old is trump? Hes vaxxed and boosted and still alive and kicking.
What a choice, live or die, flip the bird to to the wife and kids, grandkids and choose the dead route. Stupid tin hat wearing conspiracy believing fool. Thats a quitter. No one likes a quitter.
"I'll do anything.... But I wont do that" The End.

On a note of truth. When are you starting your war on Biden now that he has way more deaths than Trump when it comes to covid. Shouldn't we be seeing your day after day ramblings how Biden is failure.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

On a note of truth. When are you starting your war on Biden now that he has way more deaths than Trump when it comes to covid. Shouldn't we be seeing your day after day ramblings how Biden is failure.

Way to go strawman. lose another debate and change the topic. Biden has 3 more years to steer the ship into smooth waters. You can be positive and be part of the fix...or hope the worst for the country.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Way to go strawman. lose another debate and change the topic. Biden has 3 more years to steer the ship into smooth waters. You can be positive and be part of the fix...or hope the worst for the country.

Not my argument. This is a argument you brought to the table many a day. Be positive and be part of the fix? The fix is getting rid of democrats. I am trying my best. You certainly hope the worst for the country. Democrats are not for this country, period. You did not give one second of positivity to Trump. don't even try and gas light everyone.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Not my argument. This is a argument you brought to the table many a day. Be positive and be part of the fix? The fix is getting rid of democrats. I am trying my best. You certainly hope the worst for the country. Democrats are not for this country, period. You did not give one second of positivity to Trump. don't even try and gas light everyone.

If you removed Dems, Covid would still be active, perhaps more active. See, it isnt political, covid kills in a bipartisan way. Ask Meat.
Positivity for trump? Why. He is a conman and a liar. He lied about everything from the number of people at his inaugural day one, to the economy, the media, his non existent healthcare, plan the Election.... When he lost he tried to Steal a US Presidential Election using violence at the US Capitol. There is almost nothing worse he could do. But he will try.

I can't imagine being one of the health care workers that deals with and watches COVID patients die on a daily basis and having to call their family members. With all the information about vaccines, I'd feel like a p.o.s. if I was unvaxed and in the ICU with COVID puting that burden on those people. Omicron is certainly less serious, but the fact is many hospitals around the country and world are STILL being flooded with COVID patients.

Anyway, the point is Faux news is hardly fair and balanced when they stop telling his story as soon as the narrative changes.

Originally Posted by ralph

Anyway, the point is Faux news is hardly fair and balanced when they stop telling his story as soon as the narrative changes.

Narritive did not change. The guy had a medical exemption and was free and clear to keep his job. Nothing changed. He had a medical issue and medical exemptions are very hard to get. Usually it means it is a coin flip if the vaccine is going to kill you or the disease you are getting vaccinated from.

Nice try. You people will stoop to any level at this point.

Only 51 yrs old, how sad. And here i thought it was a hoax and only killed the fat, the old, the infirmed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...141559550.html

Originally Posted by 95sn

Only 51 yrs old, how sad. And here i thought it was a hoax and only killed the fat, the old, the infirmed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...141559550.html

Huh.... Again, you seem to only post articles that affirm my arguments. You are freaking horrible at this gaspumper. From you article:

The 22-year veteran of the Washington state trooper force had actually received a medical exemption from getting a vaccine, but he still resigned before that was due to take effect.

He had a medical issue and that issue was accepted. He was in the clear. He could A) kept his job and B) he had something medically wrong with him. Medical exemptions for vaccine mandates are extremely rare. You are usually at the point where you need to flip a coin on if you are going to die or not from the vaccine or covid. Yet. This guy knowing that still was against mandates and people losing their jobs over it even though his job was safe. Sounds like a Fing hero to me. I know you. Little dictator wanna be like you don't understand honor.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Huh.... Again, you seem to only post articles that affirm my arguments. You are freaking horrible at this gaspumper. From you article:

The 22-year veteran of the Washington state trooper force had actually received a medical exemption from getting a vaccine, but he still resigned before that was due to take effect.

He had a medical issue and that issue was accepted. He was in the clear. He could A) kept his job and B) he had something medically wrong with him. Medical exemptions for vaccine mandates are extremely rare. You are usually at the point where you need to flip a coin on if you are going to die or not from the vaccine or covid. Yet. This guy knowing that still was against mandates and people losing their jobs over it even though his job was safe. Sounds like a Fing hero to me. I know you. Little dictator wanna be like you don't understand honor.

This dude is really F'n dumb. He got his med exemption approved, still quit, and had a medical issue??? he is an even bigger idiot for not getting Vaxxed. Why dont you explain the medical condition that kept him from vaxxing up? Honor? funniest thing you ever wrote. That and thinking one a hero for dying from a virus that has a free vaccine on every street corner. Thanks for another Herman Cain award.

Originally Posted by 95sn

This dude is really F'n dumb. He got his med exemption approved, still quit, and had a medical issue??? he is an even bigger idiot for not getting Vaxxed. Why dont you explain the medical condition that kept him from vaxxing up? Honor? funniest thing you ever wrote. That and thinking one a hero for dying from a virus that has a free vaccine on every street corner. Thanks for another Herman Cain award.

No he is not an idiot for not getting vaxxed. Some people legit have major issue with vaccinations. You have no freaking idea what he was against and the decisions he had to make. you can simply F off in my opinion. You prove the medical condition. It is your claim. Medical exemptions are just not handed out for this.

It is not honor that he had to make a decision. It is honor that though he had a decision he had to make that ultimately took his life, he still stood up for others.

Your attitude is why people are turning on the democrats and not a moment too soon.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

No he is not an idiot for not getting vaxxed. Some people legit have major issue with vaccinations. You have no freaking idea what he was against and the decisions he had to make. you can simply F off in my opinion. You prove the medical condition. It is your claim. Medical exemptions are just not handed out for this.

It is not honor that he had to make a decision. It is honor that though he had a decision he had to make that ultimately took his life, he still stood up for others.

Your attitude is why people are turning on the democrats and not a moment too soon.

He is legit dead because Covid, he spoke out loudly against vaccines. He isnt dumb for not getting a free shot? 100% dumb, just like meatloaf and the 100's and 100's of other Herman Cain Winners. He attempted to pull more fools into his flawed conspiracy laden thinking that killed him. No honor in that, none. FYI, its the same BS you and mallcop push and poor old ex pal markj.
If he had an actual medical condition, i dont even know what that might be, and could not get a vax, i would retract. Got info?
Remind me what media made a "celebrity " out of him and why? Funny, it was FOX pushing the GOP antivax misinformation, again. Every single one of their personalities is vaxxed and boosted yet the info they push is 180 degrees from what they practice. Hypocrites.

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' lockdowns did little to limit COVID deaths

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...t-covid-deaths

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on COVID mortality and had a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills.

The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent.

Shelter-in-place orders were also ineffective, reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%, the study said.

“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote in the report, issued Monday.

The study concluded that lockdowns “are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

“They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report said.