Biden for Prez

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Given how fired up you guys are I just thought that there would be a story about things happening now, not a story from 9 years ago is all. I’m sure when the waterfall of middle aged dudes making their local rec league ladies all star teams starts crashing down you guys will be back to rub my face in it.

Your president signed the law now. How about that. You made it a thing not the sane people

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Your president signed the law now. How about that. You made it a thing not the sane people

and by law you mean not a law, right? because laws are passed by congress, which, as a strict constructionist of the constitution, you know.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

and by law you mean not a law, right? because laws are passed by congress, which, as a strict constructionist of the constitution, you know.

So are you saying that Bidens proclamations hold no weight? or are you saying that you hope the Republicans bail out your crazy party so you can have your trinket yet not go completely over to the insane side.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

So are you saying that Bidens proclamations hold no weight? or are you saying that you hope the Republicans bail out your crazy party so you can have your trinket yet not go completely over to the insane side.

I'm saying that words matter and executive orders are not laws, any more than senate rules are part of the constitution. Do they have an effect? Of course. But saying that Biden "signed a law" is incorrect. Laws take an act of congress to change, exec orders don't. Exec orders are subject to and must not violate laws, in the same way that laws are subject to and must not violate the constitution.

I'm surprised that you weren't taught this in high school, TBH.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

I'm saying that words matter and executive orders are not laws, any more than senate rules are part of the constitution. Do they have an effect? Of course. But saying that Biden "signed a law" is incorrect. Laws take an act of congress to change, exec orders don't. Exec orders are subject to and must not violate laws, in the same way that laws are subject to and must not violate the constitution.

I'm surprised that you weren't taught this in high school, TBH.

Then why were you guys freaking over Trumps executive orders?

Again, you are playing legalism. Just like the election where you guys cheated the system and then tried to tell people they were not cheated "legally".

These orders are binding and while they do not technically violate law, they are policy directions and are directly actionable until someone proves they are illegal.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Then why were you guys freaking over Trumps executive orders?

Again, you are playing legalism. Just like the election where you guys cheated the system and then tried to tell people they were not cheated "legally".

These orders are binding and while they do not technically violate law, they are policy directions and are directly actionable until someone proves they are illegal.

Because I didn't like the policies reflected by Trump's executive orders!

But I never confused his executive orders with laws. I'm surprised that you do.

The back and forth orders exec orders (Trump undoing Obama's, Biden undoing Trump's) are reflective of abdication by Congress of its role as a legislative body... Congress SHOULD be making laws addressing these issues, but everyone is so afraid of giving the other guy a win that Congress is basically permanently paralyzed (at least as long as the filibuster rule remains), so the executive has to make limited and easily reversed policy by executive order.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Because I didn't like the policies reflected by Trump's executive orders!

But I never confused his executive orders with laws. I'm surprised that you do.

The back and forth orders exec orders (Trump undoing Obama's, Biden undoing Trump's) are reflective of abdication by Congress of its role as a legislative body... Congress SHOULD be making laws addressing these issues, but everyone is so afraid of giving the other guy a win that Congress is basically permanently paralyzed (at least as long as the filibuster rule remains), so the executive has to make limited and easily reversed policy by executive order.

Executive orders are in effect laws. While they are easily overturned AKA either illegal or via the next president, they do take several years to over turn in many cases. Several years of enforcement or funding can fundamentally change how policy is implemented in the future.

See you have a problem with Trumps policies. They were pretty much non radical good for America policies. There is very little you have proposed that a middle of the road Republican can even get on board with.