TRUMP for Prez

Originally Posted by dougr

i was wondering, did anyone here vote for trump because you saw Russian propaganda that swayed you to pull the lever. Y or N I just want to know how many middle americans were totally bush whacked by russian influence.

I voted based on what the voices in my head were telling me. Not sure who programmed them. Maybe Russians?

It doesn’t really matter though because now that the goal posts got moved, it’s all about racking up as many indictments as possible to justify your existence right?

Originally Posted by dougr

i was wondering, did anyone here vote for trump because you saw Russian propaganda that swayed you to pull the lever. Y or N I just want to know how many middle americans were totally bush whacked by russian influence.

No of course not. I am impervious to all advertising. I was like, Hillary sounded great but her plans were less filling. Where was the beef? She can hear me now.

I voted for trump because he said he likes to grab lady’s Right In the pussy

This exposes just how both dishonest and stupid the myriad of liars on the left were to try to mislead everyone into thinking they were getting screwed by Cheeto Boy’s tax cuts. Joeshmoe, pay attention, numb skull.

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-apo...163929322.html

Originally Posted by markj

This exposes just how both dishonest and stupid the myriad of liars on the left were to try to mislead everyone into thinking they were getting screwed by Cheeto Boy’s tax cuts. Joeshmoe, pay attention, numb skull.

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-apo...163929322.html

Dude regardless of refunds, aren’t we are all getting screwed by the record setting deficit... ? Unless you are buying into MMT along with AOC?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-p...210129640.html

(In addition to former bartenders there are some smart people who buy into this too... really gets to the whole theory of money in the first place.)

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Dude regardless of refunds, aren’t we are all getting screwed by the record setting deficit... ? Unless you are buying into MMT along with AOC?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-p...210129640.html

(In addition to former bartenders there are some smart people who buy into this too... really gets to the whole theory of money in the first place.)

Yeah you’re right about that. I’m not happy with the huge deficit at all. That’s a separate issue though. The point was how eager the left was to deceive as many stupid people as possible. It was equal to pissing on someone’s leg and trying to tell them it’s raining outside. -Judge Judy

Originally Posted by markj

Yeah you’re right about that. I’m not happy with the huge deficit at all. That’s a separate issue though. The point was how eager the left was to deceive as many stupid people as possible. It was equal to pissing on someone’s leg and trying to tell them it’s raining outside. -Judge Judy

So to summarize it’s more satisfying to gloat about the MSM being wrong about a point even though the MSM being wrong means we are all even more screwed than if MSM had been right?

Originally Posted by markj

This exposes just how both dishonest and stupid the myriad of liars on the left were to try to mislead everyone into thinking they were getting screwed by Cheeto Boy’s tax cuts. Joeshmoe, pay attention, numb skull.

Hey Dipchit, I never said Anything about a tax refund! I have never gotten a tax refund. I was upset I had to pay a penalty for the first time in my life on top of paying my taxes. It was like it was a trick, give me 50 bucks more a month and then at the end of the year say I didn't pay enough? And on top of that give me a penalty! It's like they wanted to make sure everyone got more money in their paychecks during the year And before the election, glad it didn't work. At least the government could have done was wave the penalties for the new tax codes for a year, giving everyone a year to adjust.

Originally Posted by markj

Yeah you’re right about that. I’m not happy with the huge deficit at all. That’s a separate issue though. The point was how eager the left was to deceive as many stupid people as possible. It was equal to pissing on someone’s leg and trying to tell them it’s raining outside. -Judge Judy

Exactly, record deficit @ 1T, record debt @ 22T and GDP growth at half what was promised 2.9% vs 6%. And it would be "easy" apparently... Trump is an economic genius like he is an excellent businessman.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

So to summarize it’s more satisfying to gloat about the MSM being wrong about a point even though the MSM being wrong means we are all even more screwed than if MSM had been right?

No. To summarize, I’m not gonna let you say, “look look look over here” so as to distract from the main point. Again, the main point was and still is just how devious the MSM was/is. Are you really gonna play stupid this long or are you really that stupid?

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Hey Dipchit, I never said Anything about a tax refund! I have never gotten a tax refund. I was upset I had to pay a penalty for the first time in my life on top of paying my taxes. It was like it was a trick, give me 50 bucks more a month and then at the end of the year say I didn't pay enough? And on top of that give me a penalty! It's like they wanted to make sure everyone got more money in their paychecks during the year And before the election, glad it didn't work. At least the government could have done was wave the penalties for the new tax codes for a year, giving everyone a year to adjust.

Lol! Hey, it was YOU that took the bait from the MSM, hopped on the dummy bandwagon of blaming Trump for YOU not properly withholding the right amount and then trying to make it sound like you got duped into paying more taxes by Trump.

Btw, why would you pay a penalty when it’s not even April 15th yet?

Maybe you shoulda saved a little bit of that $50 each month. Are you friends with Al Sharpton or MC Hammer? I’m sure they could advise you well.

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Hey Dipchit, I never said Anything about a tax refund! I have never gotten a tax refund. I was upset I had to pay a penalty for the first time in my life on top of paying my taxes. It was like it was a trick, give me 50 bucks more a month and then at the end of the year say I didn't pay enough? And on top of that give me a penalty! It's like they wanted to make sure everyone got more money in their paychecks during the year And before the election, glad it didn't work. At least the government could have done was wave the penalties for the new tax codes for a year, giving everyone a year to adjust.

Oh yeah, it’s a conspiracy. You’re clearly someone who needs cradle to grave care. Any chance you’re a millennial?

Not looking too good for Trump at this time
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/
This map shows that Trump would get shellacked, just like he got shellacked in the mid-terms, were the election held today. With a good economy, it would be so easy for him to win, all he would have to do is stop tweeting and stop lying. It's like he wants to lose, closing down the government and then calling for a National emergency to fund the wall did not win him any points. But it doesn't look like the democrats want to win any votes either when they talk about Medicare for all and the GND (when does that bill come up for a vote? HaHa!) So, the strategy to win the 2020 election will be to see whoever can give the other team more points! There is a lot of time between now and the election, but anyone who thinks Trump has the upper hand at this time is delusional!

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

With a good economy, it would be so easy for him to win, all he would have to do is stop tweeting and stop lying.

The good economy is an illusion, the vale will be lifted before the next election.

Originally Posted by markj

No. To summarize, I’m not gonna let you say, “look look look over here” so as to distract from the main point. Again, the main point was and still is just how devious the MSM was/is. Are you really gonna play stupid this long or are you really that stupid?

And the main point is:

A. the deficit and ballooning national debt; or
B. The avg size of tax refunds in 2019?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

And the main point is:

A. the deficit and ballooning national debt; or
B. The avg size of tax refunds in 2019?

A.2: GDP growth well below expectation
A.3: Balance of payments deficit getting wider not narrower
A.4: Tarrifs creating inflationary pressure
A.5: Inability to control inflation by raising interest rates due to debt burden.
A.6: Feds balance sheet is bloated due to monetizing federal debt.


B.2: Irrelevant distraction to occupy the sheep.

Originally Posted by ralph

A.2: GDP growth well below expectation
A.3: Balance of payments deficit getting wider not narrower
A.4: Tarrifs creating inflationary pressure
A.5: Inability to control inflation by raising interest rates due to debt burden.
A.6: Feds balance sheet is bloated due to monetizing federal debt.


B.2: Irrelevant distraction to occupy the sheep.

Why is it when foreigners comment about American politics, they are always cheering for the democrats? Makes one have to wonder?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Why is it when foreigners comment about American politics, they are always cheering for the democrats? Makes one have to wonder?

Why wouldn’t the monetary policy of the country with the world’s fiat currency draw interest from the rest of the world?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Why is it when foreigners comment about American politics, they are always cheering for the democrats? Makes one have to wonder?

Maybe because they dont have the good fortune to watch to FOX news every night and listen to thousands of Conservative AM talk radio stations across the country warning of Open Borders, Socialists and the Deep State.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Maybe because they dont have the good fortune to watch to FOX news every night and listen to thousands of Conservative AM talk radio stations across the country warning of Open Borders, Socialists and the Deep State.

Only one that seems to do that is you.

You are the one who is so worried that another country is interfering in our elections. Why do you refuse to address the parts that are obviously in front of us. There are more than one US TV show that has political commentary that has foreign nationals who are firmly in the democrats pockets. Our local foreigner is in the democrat pocket. Our crop of democrats certainly have no issue in letting up to 10% of our population be loyal to foreign governments. Who exactly is for foreign influence on America. Pretty sure that is the democrats

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Why wouldn’t the monetary policy of the country with the world’s fiat currency draw interest from the rest of the world?

If that is the case they historically would be against the tax and spend democrat party. I will grant you that both parties love to spend these days though the democrats actually campaign on increasing the size of government. So, they should clearly be against the democrat party if it was conservative use of our monetary system.

The reality is the opposite. They want use to share the wealth. Just like the democrats in this country, they really don't understand cause and effect when it comes to policy and only want the handout.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Maybe because they dont have the good fortune to watch to FOX news every night and listen to thousands of Conservative AM talk radio stations across the country warning of Open Borders, Socialists and the Deep State.

I regularly listen to the Ben Shapiro show podcast!

Have you heard the saying America sneezes the world catches a cold, there is some truth to it but mostly I follow american and world politics because I find it entertaining.

When you say "political commentary" do you mean political comedy?
Our nation, by definition is a nation of immigrants, the Irish, the Pols, the Italians, the Chinese built railroads, now its Latinos.... so foreign influence started from the get go.

Unrelated. Just a thought.
Ever notice there arnt liberal AM radio talk shows? Do you think the format just doesnt work for Democrats? There are loads of liberal cable tv shows. Democrats obviously appear on these shows. But Fox, they run the show, in many ways Fox is running the country. How many has he hired right off the screen? Half a dozen? more? Trump TV has been busy, managing to brainwash almost 40% of this country into voting against their own interests, all in an effort to preserve & protect the wealthiest 1%

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

If that is the case they historically would be against the tax and spend democrat party. I will grant you that both parties love to spend these days though the democrats actually campaign on increasing the size of government. So, they should clearly be against the democrat party if it was conservative use of our monetary system.

Yes I am against tax and spend, fiscal responsibility is #1 for me in Govt priorities. I have said this many times, I criticized Obama for not balancing the books but at least he was moving in the right direction after stabilizing the country during the GFC. The republicans have since lowered the tax take with tax cuts AND increased spending significantly on Military creating the biggest budget deficit ever. Unforgivable, terrible financial mis-management.

And for the record democrats have a much better track record of balancing the books than republicans over the last 50 years.

And also for the record I vote conservative in NZ elections.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Unrelated. Just a thought.
Ever notice there arnt liberal AM radio talk shows?

The David Pakman show is really really excellent. Nationally syndicated and available everyday as a podcast.

Originally Posted by 95sn

When you say "political commentary" do you mean political comedy?
Our nation, by definition is a nation of immigrants, the Irish, the Pols, the Italians, the Chinese built railroads, now its Latinos.... so foreign influence started from the get go.

Unrelated. Just a thought.
Ever notice there arnt liberal AM radio talk shows? Do you think the format just doesnt work for Democrats? There are loads of liberal cable tv shows. Democrats obviously appear on these shows. But Fox, they run the show, in many ways Fox is running the country. How many has he hired right off the screen? Half a dozen? more? Trump TV has been busy, managing to brainwash almost 40% of this country into voting against their own interests, all in an effort to preserve & protect the wealthiest 1%

Comedy is a good word for CNN as well as Comedy Central.

I don't believe talk radio works for democrats because 18 year olds don't have the attention span.

Ah and there it is. The ol democrat talking point of "voting against their best interests". Yet to hear a democrat not throw that out. You realize that doing the right thing many times is not in your best interest right? Besides if you want to stay on that line. Would you say moving American wealth to the third world is in our best interest? Asking for a friend.

You realize that ALL the richest areas in the country are democrat controlled. Who is brainwashing who? New York (City), California (LA and San Fran), Chicago, Seattle, etc. This is where most of America's wealth is concentrated. They are all democrats and they keep getting richer so this notion of democrats are for the little guy is hilarious. They only want to create 2 classes. Them and a serf class.

Originally Posted by 95sn

When you say "political commentary" do you mean political comedy?
Our nation, by definition is a nation of immigrants, the Irish, the Pols, the Italians, the Chinese built railroads, now its Latinos.... so foreign influence started from the get go.

Unrelated. Just a thought.
Ever notice there arnt liberal AM radio talk shows? Do you think the format just doesnt work for Democrats? There are loads of liberal cable tv shows. Democrats obviously appear on these shows. But Fox, they run the show, in many ways Fox is running the country. How many has he hired right off the screen? Half a dozen? more? Trump TV has been busy, managing to brainwash almost 40% of this country into voting against their own interests, all in an effort to preserve & protect the wealthiest 1%

Also, those that you spoke of came to America through the proper channels and wanted to be American. They were running from their country, not protesting in the streets with their countries flag in hand demanding rights and money from our government.

Are any Trump supporters here even slightly embarrassed by the way Trump swoons in front of brutal dictators and takes there word over all reasonable evidence to the contrary? Last month it was Trump bending over backwards to defend some Saudi thug for sending his hit squad to chop up Khashoggi, this month it's trump defending that fatty kim Jun no one for torturing American citizen Warmbier to death. At the very least he is a terrible judge of character.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Also, those that you spoke of came to America through the proper channels and wanted to be American. They were running from their country, not protesting in the streets with their countries flag in hand demanding rights and money from our government.

BOOM!... and there you have it. Mexicans and muslims don't have the slightest interest in assimilating and our culture suffers from it.

[QUOTE=95sn;1986525]
Ever notice there arnt liberal AM radio talk shows? Do you think the format just doesnt work for Democrats? There are loads of liberal cable tv shows.


Liberal talk radio all but evaporated 20+ years ago. It wasn't for a lack of trying. There was a long list of people who tried to be the leftist answer to Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. They pretty much all failed because with such little substance, their positions all die under their own weight. With radio, you don't have the smoke and mirrors etc or drama/theatrics of TV to entertain folks. Your words have to actually be truthful, have real substance and meaning, pass the smell test and liberals will never be able to achieve that.

Originally Posted by markj

BOOM!... and there you have it. Mexicans and muslims don't have the slightest interest in assimilating and our culture suffers from it.

That was over stated... A little. Some Mexicans actually care about assimilation.

Originally Posted by ralph

Are any Trump supporters here even slightly embarrassed by the way Trump swoons in front of brutal dictators and takes there word over all reasonable evidence to the contrary? Last month it was Trump bending over backwards to defend some Saudi thug for sending his hit squad to chop up Khashoggi, this month it's trump defending that fatty kim Jun no one for torturing American citizen Warmbier to death. At the very least he is a terrible judge of character.

So maybe he should just punch em in the mouth?

Ever heard the term, "you get more flies with sugar?"

Don't forget, he walked away from any deal with pork chop. He coulda easily done something for show, but chose a wiser path, stayed disciplined, cut his losses and walked away like a good negotiator would. He was presidential when it counted.

Originally Posted by ralph

Are any Trump supporters here even slightly embarrassed by the way Trump swoons in front of brutal dictators and takes there word over all reasonable evidence to the contrary? Last month it was Trump bending over backwards to defend some Saudi thug for sending his hit squad to chop up Khashoggi, this month it's trump defending that fatty kim Jun no one for torturing American citizen Warmbier to death. At the very least he is a terrible judge of character.

I don't really care about the words. Many time words are used in the bigger picture that may not be popular for political reasons. Which this could be the case. At the same time, unfortunately I see this with our democrat people, they think government agencies and the heads of those agencies know every little thing that is happening at any given time. I would absolutely believe that some ruler of any country would not know about a single person in their country being dealt with in some manner. Those rulers in question have a fairly harsh system in place and the machine is working the way they want. All the underlings know is to make sure the boss is not disappointed in their actions or they get the same fate. Happens all the time in the work place. People think their boss may not like such and such so they make a bad decision. I would absolutely believe that those rulers would not know anything about a single person in their country. Most people would be afraid to even to bother them the news in those holes.

Originally Posted by markj

BOOM!... and there you have it. Mexicans and muslims don't have the slightest interest in assimilating and our culture suffers from it.

Mexicans and Muslims are assimilating at the same or better rates as all other immigrants ever have. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...-assimilation/

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I don't really care about the words.

Aside from the occupy Wall Street hand gesture communication strategy, I’m unaware of any modern “wordless” government. Of course the words matter. All governments are collections of humans and they communicate with one another with words. No words no government.

Originally Posted by markj

. He coulda easily done something for show, but chose a wiser path, stayed disciplined, cut his losses and walked away like a good negotiator would. He was presidential when it counted.

he coulda just as easily not given Kim the photo op in the first place and had our diplomats work out a framework of a deal with NKs diplomats first. Like how international diplomacy is done.

Yes yes, trump breaks all the norms, so why use diplomats when he’s the world’s foremost negotiator, right? Well it’s possible to break norms in a way that makes you look stupid too. Trump is pretty good at that in fact. There’s usually a good reason for things being done in a particular way.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Aside from the occupy Wall Street hand gesture communication strategy, I’m unaware of any modern “wordless” government. Of course the words matter. All governments are collections of humans and they communicate with one another with words. No words no government.

All I have to say is if you really hang on every single word someone says then you are a fool. I see that displayed over and over again in this forum when you guys complain about Trump. It really is under developed emotional intelligence. The Federal Government and the people responsible for trying to determine policy and procedure can not be believed when anyone speaks of absolutes. Sure, the person speaking may have an absolute direction in mind but if you are believing in their words as an absolute, you really should head back to 3rd grade. Maybe even take in the lesson of Rock Soup where in this case the president is throwing the rock into the pot to get things going. Supplying the narrative because not one single person in government has absolute power (at least in our government).

Just like when Obama said you can keep your insurance and your doctor. I knew that was BS. I had to look at the over ridding policy. I absolutely did not like the policy. When Trump said we will build the wall and Mexico will pay for it. I know dang well we can not make Mexico write us a check, however I had to look at the policy. I like the policy and Mexico would pay for it if they are not able to reclaim the Billions of dollars sent to them each year or we cut aid to them. For the life of me, I don't know how people on this board can really think and want to argue if a president can simply make a declaration and if they don't follow through act like they are crushed if it does not happen exactly they way they said it would. Actually I can understand it and I bet the same people are still crushed that (spoiler alert!!!!) Santa did not deliver their packages.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

he coulda just as easily not given Kim the photo op in the first place and had our diplomats work out a framework of a deal with NKs diplomats first. Like how international diplomacy is done.

Yes yes, trump breaks all the norms, so why use diplomats when he’s the world’s foremost negotiator, right? Well it’s possible to break norms in a way that makes you look stupid too. Trump is pretty good at that in fact. There’s usually a good reason for things being done in a particular way.

What is the photo op that you think makes him look stupid? That is your opinion. We have had diplomats setting this up for some time. The president goes to the table like a grown up. The other side is not willing to negotiate so he walks. That is a bigger insult to Kim than anything. You really should read up on Reagan negotiating with the Soviets. Of course Reagan could have just sent diplomats in fear of having democrats thinking he looked stupid.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

What is the photo op that you think makes him look stupid? That is your opinion. We have had diplomats setting this up for some time. The president goes to the table like a grown up. The other side is not willing to negotiate so he walks. That is a bigger insult to Kim than anything. You really should read up on Reagan negotiating with the Soviets. Of course Reagan could have just sent diplomats in fear of having democrats thinking he looked stupid.

Thanks for responding for me. I’m markj, and I “approve this message.” Lol

wait....what? So it's ok for the government to ask me what color I am, but not if I'm a citizen. Who are these whacky judges?
This makes no sense to me

https://www.yahoo.com/news/second-ju...201643964.html

Originally Posted by ord27

wait....what? So it's ok for the government to ask me what color I am, but not if I'm a citizen. Who are these whacky judges?
This makes no sense to me

https://www.yahoo.com/news/second-ju...201643964.html

Of course Judges in the most liberal states with the highest illegal alien populations don't want the question asked. They want the federal money that goes with the population. Thumb their nose at the Feds then ask the feds for money back.

More importantly they want to use FOREIGNERS to get these liberal areas more seats in the House of Representatives. Wake77 and others always asks how illegals can vote? Well this is one of the ways (besides their children voting the way of there parents would like just like almost everyone in the country or them actually voting). Get more representatives in congress from areas that will more than likely vote in favor of illegals that is how.

Delta I love that you called out the rock (I learned as stone) soup parable. That’s one of my favorite personal references and my wife and I use it as shorthand for a whole bigger concept.

I must have been a cynical kid or had a really cynical 3rd grade teacher. Lol I always thought of it as an explanation of how conmen get a free ride (duping others to feed them with their magic rock). I’m actually a little surprised you see that in a positive way. In my household, getting “stone souped” isn’t a good thing.

Please refer me to the Reagan diplomatic exchange you are speaking of, where he actually went into a meeting with Gorby with a signing ceremony already planned for an agreement that hadn’t been worked out yet. I can’t remember that but I’ve been wrong before and the ol memory ain’t what she used to be.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Of course Judges in the most liberal states with the highest illegal alien populations don't want the question asked. They want the federal money that goes with the population. Thumb their nose at the Feds then ask the feds for money back. .

That is a really jaded world you live in Delta. What about the rule of law? Judges who judge in a way you don’t agree with can ONLY be partisan hacks?

As for birthright citizenship... kids don’t choose where to be born. We are all (presumably) children of immigrants. That didn’t stop our predecessors from having these same debates in the past and likely won’t keep the children or grandchildren today’s Mexican immigrants from wanting to shut the door behind them too. Yellow peril, Italian invasion, etc etc. xenophobia ain’t new.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Of course Judges in the most liberal states with the highest illegal alien populations don't want the question asked. They want the federal money that goes with the population. Thumb their nose at the Feds then ask the feds for money back.

More importantly they want to use FOREIGNERS to get these liberal areas more seats in the House of Representatives. Wake77 and others always asks how illegals can vote? Well this is one of the ways (besides their children voting the way of there parents would like just like almost everyone in the country or them actually voting). Get more representatives in congress from areas that will more than likely vote in favor of illegals that is how.

They stopped asking that question in the 1950's. They found out its the only way to get an accurate count. Of course states want as much $ as they deserve based on population, there isnt one state that turns down fed$. It doesnt allow any illegals to vote. Who calls their parents and asks them how they should vote? You said numerous times (and each time, incorrectly) illegals vote. Trump with his hand picked team of GOP investigators could not find ANY, and he disbanded them. Quit perpetuating a known Trump/GOP lie. Accept it.

Apparently that part of congress' job called oversight is back in vogue.

I will say it again....either enforce immigration laws, including using all means necessary to discover them......or change the laws, grant amnesty....something

This enforcing some but looking the other way other times, is weak management and plain stupid

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Delta I love that you called out the rock (I learned as stone) soup parable. That’s one of my favorite personal references and my wife and I use it as shorthand for a whole bigger concept.

I must have been a cynical kid or had a really cynical 3rd grade teacher. Lol I always thought of it as an explanation of how conmen get a free ride (duping others to feed them with their magic rock). I’m actually a little surprised you see that in a positive way. In my household, getting “stone souped” isn’t a good thing.

Please refer me to the Reagan diplomatic exchange you are speaking of, where he actually went into a meeting with Gorby with a signing ceremony already planned for an agreement that hadn’t been worked out yet. I can’t remember that but I’ve been wrong before and the ol memory ain’t what she used to be.

As I remember stone soup, it was a bible story or somehow heard it at church. Explains why a teacher at school would try and portray it as something evil considering how evil many teachers are themselves these days. It was a story of how people were jaded and would not help those in need. So the two strangers in town made a pot of boiling water and when people would stop by they would ask them what they were making. They basically said rock soup. Then one by one the towns people would offer a bit of their stashed away food to the soup. Eventually everyone contributed to the soup and they had a feast.

On Trump and Reagan. You are moving your original statement. You said that he should have let the diplomats go in. The diplomats were there for months off and on working with North Korea. Reagan had many communications with the Soviets. Reagan also make proclamations such as "Tear Down This Wall" while standing on German soil at the Berlin Wall. Finally one of the biggest moments happened when it was freezing out and Reagan in his 70's was standing outside with no coat on welcoming ol Gorbi who was bundled up to the hilt. It was a big public snafu for the Soviets at home.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

That is a really jaded world you live in Delta. What about the rule of law? Judges who judge in a way you don’t agree with can ONLY be partisan hacks?

As for birthright citizenship... kids don’t choose where to be born. We are all (presumably) children of immigrants. That didn’t stop our predecessors from having these same debates in the past and likely won’t keep the children or grandchildren today’s Mexican immigrants from wanting to shut the door behind them too. Yellow peril, Italian invasion, etc etc. xenophobia ain’t new.

They also stopped Italian immigration for a while because the Italians were not being Americans. Our parents also came in, were documented and wanted to be Americans. Not come over so they can send money back home and change our laws to favor those who live outside our country.

Of course Illegals don't want to shut the door behind them. At what point do you get critical mass and there are enough foreign allied migrants simply vote to desolve the border. That is the democrats goal. They already said it out loud more than once.

As far as the rule of law. Seems pretty fishy that the 9th circuit judges are the most over turned judges in the land. So WHO's law are they upholding?

Again it is the truth. I have to give all my information to get a drivers license including a birth certificate. It should be the same to be include on wether or not districts in this land get more congressional representatives. Why should we give areas who thumb their noses at the rest of the country more representatives in the Federal Government based on their recruiting of NON CITIZENS.

Originally Posted by ord27

I will say it again....either enforce immigration laws, including using all means necessary to discover them......or change the laws, grant amnesty....something

This enforcing some but looking the other way other times, is weak management and plain stupid

Reagan already gave amnesty with the agreement that the support of illegal immigration must stop. Give an inch, they take a mile.

Originally Posted by 95sn

They stopped asking that question in the 1950's. They found out its the only way to get an accurate count. Of course states want as much $ as they deserve based on population, there isnt one state that turns down fed$. It doesnt allow any illegals to vote. Who calls their parents and asks them how they should vote? You said numerous times (and each time, incorrectly) illegals vote. Trump with his hand picked team of GOP investigators could not find ANY, and he disbanded them. Quit perpetuating a known Trump/GOP lie. Accept it.

I said children of illegals vote and california is doing what they can to allow them to vote. How do you think Trumps hand picked people are finding illegal voters in California when the state goes out of the way to hide them. They are not even keeping track in prisons anymore. You can not even ask if someone is a citizen on a job interview in California.

No one calls their parents on how to vote. You are indocrinated from as old as you can talk on your parents politics.

Again, you avoid the truth and frankly you look like a putz. the amount of the House of Representatives are picked by population density of the various state. If you have illegals (recruited by California heavily) counted, then by definition illegals have gotten a vote/ say in how the country votes on policy. You think that areas that got more democrats due to illegals are now not going to vote in the illegals best interests? EXPLAIN THAT TO US ALL?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

As I remember stone soup, it was a bible story or somehow heard it at church. Explains why a teacher at school would try and portray it as something evil considering how evil many teachers are themselves these days. It was a story of how people were jaded and would not help those in need. So the two strangers in town made a pot of boiling water and when people would stop by they would ask them what they were making. They basically said rock soup. Then one by one the towns people would offer a bit of their stashed away food to the soup. Eventually everyone contributed to the soup and they had a feast.



On Trump and Reagan. You are moving your original statement. You said that he should have let the diplomats go in. The diplomats were there for months off and on working with North Korea. Reagan had many communications with the Soviets. Reagan also make proclamations such as "Tear Down This Wall" while standing on German soil at the Berlin Wall. Finally one of the biggest moments happened when it was freezing out and Reagan in his 70's was standing outside with no coat on welcoming ol Gorbi who was bundled up to the hilt. It was a big public snafu for the Soviets at home.

Yeah that’s stone soup. The story of some traveling conmen. Make them Mexicans in your story and you’ll probably be able to interpret it “my way.”

Reagan’s big win with Gorbi was INF. The treaty trump and Putin are blowing up. That came after seven years of negotiations between the diplomats. Did it culminate with Reagan and Gorbi making a deal in Reykjavik? Yes. But they didn’t show up without the work done hoping to cut a deal.

Tear down this wall wasn’t a diplomatic success, it was a sound byte. Just like “little rocket man” and “Mexico will pay for it.” It’s not a diplomatic accomplishment.

Kim now gets to go on the dictators world tour to China and Russia, where the pat him on the back for sticking it to trump. What do we have left to use against Kim now?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

They also stopped Italian immigration for a while because the Italians were not being Americans..

Huh? Please explain? How did the non American Italians subsequently become Americans?

I mean besides having kids who were bilingual and who assimilated, just like the Chinese and Koreans and Irish and Indians and Germans have?

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Yeah that’s stone soup. The story of some traveling conmen. Make them Mexicans in your story and you’ll probably be able to interpret it “my way.”

Reagan’s big win with Gorbi was INF. The treaty trump and Putin are blowing up. That came after seven years of negotiations between the diplomats. Did it culminate with Reagan and Gorbi making a deal in Reykjavik? Yes. But they didn’t show up without the work done hoping to cut a deal.

Tear down this wall wasn’t a diplomatic success, it was a sound byte. Just like “little rocket man” and “Mexico will pay for it.” It’s not a diplomatic accomplishment.

Kim now gets to go on the dictators world tour to China and Russia, where the pat him on the back for sticking it to trump. What do we have left to use against Kim now?

Love how a couple dudes with rocks where able to con a town out of some vegetables where none of them wanted to pitch in on your version.

Many diplomatic wins are done with sound bytes. Heck our whole political elections are based almost exclusively on sound bytes. President candidates are afraid to have an odd picture taken of them. John Kerry at NASA I believe was a bad look. You build political pressure that way. In the case of the Soviets, they were being infiltrated by western ideas. Reagan and the lack of coat, out spending them, making proclimations and most importantly the idea that you will follow through.

So what about North Korea. They are only hurting China. What did we ever have to use against North Korea besides open war? You act like there was a knob to turn. Trump decided to make a knob with China. Trump already told them that North Korea was their deal and if they don't help, he will hurt them financially. And he already had and China put the pressure on North Korea. What did Bush, Clinton or Obama do? Bush at least labeled them evil and got a lot of crap from the democrats for even giving them a label that was bad. Trump has made more strides than any American leader in our lifetime with them and you want to bitch about it. I don't know what to do for you.

The treaties with the Soviets are defunct as the Soviet Union no longer exists. Even then, most treaties were for limiting certain things. Technology changes, politics change and so do the deals if they are becoming one sided. I would rather have a president that can see it and has enough guts to say something about it instead of saying we can do more for them after his final election (aka, I will screw my people so bad, however I need their votes to get elected first)

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

Huh? Please explain? How did the non American Italians subsequently become Americans?

I mean besides having kids who were bilingual and who assimilated, just like the Chinese and Koreans and Irish and Indians and Germans have?

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-...ainst-italians

Another time in history that the US created travel bans — against Italians

There was a time in US history when the government thought that a country was “not sending its best.” A time when the government thought that immigrants’ home countries could do more to help them screen who gets to come to the US.

It was Italy in the 1920s.

Also there was 6 other times when Immigration was stopped by specific groups of people. Chinese, Post WW2 jews, Communists, Iranians, HIV people, so on

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-...ainst-italians

Another time in history that the US created travel bans — against Italians



Also there was 6 other times when Immigration was stopped by specific groups of people. Chinese, Post WW2 jews, Communists, Iranians, HIV people, so on

thank you for agreeing with me.

Originally Posted by ralph

The good economy is an illusion, the vale will be lifted before the next election.

Yah, I know, I'm starting to sound like a republican now, you get One quarter of 4.2 GDP growth and you have the Greatest ever economy the World has ever seen! Looks like the economist projections of a One time sugar high due to the tax cuts were correct.
https://www.bea.gov/news/glance
The GDP numbers are diminishing
And now they're Not predicting great numbers for 2019

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Yah, I know, I'm starting to sound like a republican now, you get One quarter of 4.2 GDP growth and you have the Greatest ever economy the World has ever seen! Looks like the economist projections of a One time sugar high due to the tax cuts were correct.
https://www.bea.gov/news/glance
The GDP numbers are diminishing
And now they're Not predicting great numbers for 2019

I don't believe the economy will always continue to grow. When you turn a knob, the economy will compensate until they squeezed it for what it is worth and then it would have to go flat or not grow at all. What you hope to do is make policy where you are exporting more than importing otherwise you are just printing money to compensate.

When you talk housing and transportation, that is going to cause us to go belly up again. I know I have been wage compressed from the bottom for years. The gains I made over a decade are now starting wages for new workers even where I work. Now cost you $15 or more for a lunch if you eat out. Things happened just like we talked about (though many lefty friends don't understand it), that if you keep raising the wages on the bottom, prices just compenstate. And they have. Average car now is over $30,000 with basic luxury around $50k? Housing is still out of control. Money in the marketplace means price rise.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

thank you for agreeing with me.

About?

Anyone want to talk about Nancy Pelosi walking out of here meeting with the uber leftist in her party because they can not agree to voting on a simple anti-semtic stance in the party?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

About?

America’s other unjustified bouts of xenophobia

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Anyone want to talk about Nancy Pelosi walking out of here meeting with the uber leftist in her party because they can not agree to voting on a simple anti-semtic stance in the party?

If you can explain how Omar’s statements are antisemitic. I will do your homework for you. Here’s what she said:

"I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. I want to ask why is it OK for me to talk about the influence of the NRA (National Rifle Association), of fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policies?"

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Anyone want to talk about Nancy Pelosi walking out of here meeting with the uber leftist in her party because they can not agree to voting on a simple anti-semtic stance in the party?

I dont have a strong opinion. I have very little knowledge of Israel/Palestinian years of issues.
Seems Omar criticized the influence of a lobbing group, some saw that as anti-Semitic. Then she apologized. Pelosi doesnt think Omar is anti-Semitic. They are going to expand the resolution further
.
"I thought the resolution should enlarge the issue to anti-Semitism, anti-Islamophobia, anti-white supremacy, and that it should not mention her name," Pelosi said. "And that's what we're working on — something that is one resolution addressing these forms of hatred, not mentioning her name, because it's not about her. It's about these forms of hatred." Pelosi.

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I don't really care about the words. Many time words are used in the bigger picture that may not be popular for political reasons. Which this could be the case. At the same time, unfortunately I see this with our democrat people, they think government agencies and the heads of those agencies know every little thing that is happening at any given time. I would absolutely believe that some ruler of any country would not know about a single person in their country being dealt with in some manner. Those rulers in question have a fairly harsh system in place and the machine is working the way they want. All the underlings know is to make sure the boss is not disappointed in their actions or they get the same fate. Happens all the time in the work place. People think their boss may not like such and such so they make a bad decision. I would absolutely believe that those rulers would not know anything about a single person in their country. Most people would be afraid to even to bother them the news in those holes.

You have to be kidding me. A US President stands in front of the entire planet and says he believes two of the more tyrannous leaders in the past 75 years or so, over Americans. How can you say "you don't care about words"?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Anyone want to talk about Nancy Pelosi walking out of here meeting with the uber leftist in her party because they can not agree to voting on a simple anti-semtic stance in the party?

Because there was nothing anti-Semitic about what the Congresswoman from MN said. Criticizing a political party is not insulting the Jewish people. Give it a freaking rest. You didn't have a problem when Trump said there "were some good people" within the skinhead group marching in Charlottesville. Nothing more anti-Semitic than that.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

America’s other unjustified bouts of xenophobia

Who says they were unjustified. Do you buy into all cultures are equal?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Who says they were unjustified. Do you buy into all cultures are equal?

All cultures are equal but some cultures are more equal than others.

Please explain which of your xenophobic examples were justified, and what horrors were averted by singling our specific groups.

Originally Posted by wake77

Because there was nothing anti-Semitic about what the Congresswoman from MN said. Criticizing a political party is not insulting the Jewish people. Give it a freaking rest. You didn't have a problem when Trump said there "were some good people" within the skinhead group marching in Charlottesville. Nothing more anti-Semitic than that.

What's funny is that it's not even the Jewish people that got triggered over it. She said absolutely nothing wrong or even untrue. Although we also pay Israel $4B a year to buy $3B of American weapons. So there is that too.

Originally Posted by fly135

What's funny is that it's not even the Jewish people that got triggered over it. She said absolutely nothing wrong or even untrue. Although we also pay Israel $4B a year to buy $3B of American weapons. So there is that too.

ignore the money, do you think she likes Jews? Based on the history? Lets say trump hates everyone not trump, his family members are jewish, and lets say he hates them too, does it make it right? No, so when he says something wrong, its wrong, she hates jews, maybe many muslims do? I don't know, but both sides are wrong if this is the quality of persons running our world. scary!

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

What you hope to do is make policy where you are exporting more than importing otherwise you are just printing money to compensate.

So you agree that Trump economically is incompetent because his policies, especially on trade and love for tariffs has resulted in the largest trade deficit ever despite promising that he would put the country in to trade surplus and it would be "easy"

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Who says they were unjustified. Do you buy into all cultures are equal?

So are you trying to say that you believe that some cultures that are superior to other cultures?

Originally Posted by dougr

ignore the money, do you think she likes Jews? Based on the history? Lets say trump hates everyone not trump, his family members are jewish, and lets say he hates them too, does it make it right? No, so when he says something wrong, its wrong, she hates jews, maybe many muslims do? I don't know, but both sides are wrong if this is the quality of persons running our world. scary!

Do you like Jews? According to the Christian faith, does a Jewish person receive the same eternal salvation as a follower of Christ?

Originally Posted by wake77

Do you like Jews? According to the Christian faith, does a Jewish person receive the same eternal salvation as a follower of Christ?

Are you referring to ethnic or religious Jews? You can be a believing ethnic Jew and be saved. Religious Jews are not saved. Hope that makes sense.

Originally Posted by wake77

So are you trying to say that you believe that some cultures that are superior to other cultures?

History has shown time & time again that yes, some cultures are in fact superior to others. To even try & deny that is to deny human nature.

Originally Posted by dougr

ignore the money, do you think she likes Jews? Based on the history? Lets say trump hates everyone not trump, his family members are jewish, and lets say he hates them too, does it make it right? No, so when he says something wrong, its wrong, she hates jews, maybe many muslims do? I don't know, but both sides are wrong if this is the quality of persons running our world. scary!

Who give a s**t if she likes Jews. I commented on her statement, not her personal feeling about Jews. The US generates a lot of animosity towards itself in the world to support Israel. And the taxpayers are forced to pay Israel for a 3/4 kickback to the weapons industry, so that we can weaponize the ME even more. Yes, I know many xtians feel like it's their God mandated duty to do it. But not all of us are that stupid.

Originally Posted by wake77

Do you like Jews? According to the Christian faith, does a Jewish person receive the same eternal salvation as a follower of Christ?

We all receive the same eternal salvation. It's just not as exciting as the brochure claims.

^so you being an atheist know more about the after life than the other 90% of the human race that believe in a higher power? I would argue that no one really knows until its to late.

Originally Posted by wake77

Because there was nothing anti-Semitic about what the Congresswoman from MN said. Criticizing a political party is not insulting the Jewish people. Give it a freaking rest. You didn't have a problem when Trump said there "were some good people" within the skinhead group marching in Charlottesville. Nothing more anti-Semitic than that.

I had zero issue with that statement because there were other people besides skin head there. You seem to have ZERO issue with the fact that there were way more communists from your side of the isle in the crowd. Trump said that their were good people on your side as well and I am sure there were.

Again, if that was the big national skin head meet and greet, then we have zero to worry about. There area thousands of more dudes that probably vote like you do that have such an affection from my little pony that they will dress up and go to a convention than there are people out throwing Nazi salutes.

Originally Posted by wake77

So are you trying to say that you believe that some cultures that are superior to other cultures?

100% I am. This is why you democrats are so dangerous to modern democracy. Do you believe a culture that subjegates women, throws gays off of buildings, stones people in the square for having sex outside of marriage, mutilates female children's vagina's, believes that an old man can marry a 6 year old girls is equal to our culture?

If you do, then were have zero ground for discussion. I will just keep you in the dangerous pile.

Originally Posted by ralph

So you agree that Trump economically is incompetent because his policies, especially on trade and love for tariffs has resulted in the largest trade deficit ever despite promising that he would put the country in to trade surplus and it would be "easy"

The tariffs are response to the trend. It takes years to see the results of policy decisions. This is a very big ship.

Originally Posted by shawndoggy

All cultures are equal but some cultures are more equal than others.

Please explain which of your xenophobic examples were justified, and what horrors were averted by singling our specific groups.

How about you tell me why putting restrictions damaged our culture and hurt the world? Seems to me the right thing was done at the time. I don't see any negative impact. I can't go back and tell what could have been. We only know what is.