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Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 5:40 AM Reply   
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Prepare for a red tidal wave in November.
Nobody cares when ur period starts markymark.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-18-2020, 5:45 AM Reply   
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Yeah, you would prefer we all just stay quiet, locked up in our houses “for the common good” while the economy tanks, suicide rates increase, unemployment explodes, people lose everything, drug and alcohol abuse increases, marriages crumble etc etc etc...

“The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” -Orwell

The “science” your side has claimed to have been clinging to has shown your prescriptions are not needed. Your true motives become clearer and clearer every day to the public. Prepare for a red tidal wave in November.
You need to ask WHY the Sweden model wont work here? You cant even say "the common good" w/o spitting bile. You keep coming back to this thought. Trump V. Science. You are saying you trust trump and not the viral scientists and doctors who say to social distance and wear masks in public. Yet Trump says Take Oxy, Mainline bleach and Lysol, Super powerful light in the body.....will cure. This is your take? This is where you want to hang your hat? Trumps "Science/hunch" you believe? Orwell was right and the "truth" the grifter speaks, as it has for decades, isnt truth at all. (note meme above) It never was. What is it he is saying that you believe? Can you even coherently say what he is proposing? Less than 1/2 the opening states has met HIS own criteria. Hes done nothing but car salesman talk, talk is cheap. You think we dont need to distance and wear masks in public? Are you watching the numbers rise where these simple things are not being done? The only red tidal wave will be coming from the coroners office based on your claims.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 5:47 AM Reply   
Piss off, Jeremy.
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Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 5:49 AM Reply   
womp womp, Obama gonna be walking free all through your brain.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...a-biden-489258
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       05-18-2020, 5:51 AM Reply   
Of course not, the details aren't what this is about. It's just typical Trump misdirection so that turds like Mark can keep bloviating about made up crap like Obamagate to continue creating distraction ahead of November. This plus unprecedented voter suppression is the gop strat this year (and it may be successful).
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 6:08 AM Reply   
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You need to ask WHY the Sweden model wont work here? You cant even say "the common good" w/o spitting bile. You keep coming back to this thought. Trump V. Science. You are saying you trust trump and not the viral scientists and doctors who say to social distance and wear masks in public. Yet Trump says Take Oxy, Mainline bleach and Lysol, Super powerful light in the body.....will cure. This is your take? This is where you want to hang your hat? Trumps "Science/hunch" you believe? Orwell was right and the "truth" the grifter speaks, as it has for decades, isnt truth at all. (note meme above) It never was. What is it he is saying that you believe? Can you even coherently say what he is proposing? Less than 1/2 the opening states has met HIS own criteria. Hes done nothing but car salesman talk, talk is cheap. You think we dont need to distance and wear masks in public? Are you watching the numbers rise where these simple things are not being done? The only red tidal wave will be coming from the coroners office based on your claims.
The inconvenient truth for your side here is it was YOU and your party that claimed we needed to follow the science and models etc. Those models were ALL GROSSLY WRONG. Like big time wrong. Your side also moved the goalposts and switched from flattening the curve so-as to not overwhelm the hospitals to total lockdown until a vaccine is discovered in some cases. Your side wants to kill the economy and make everyone a ward of the state. The evidence is all out there to see. Your side is not even hiding it any more. Masks don’t do ****t and all that “science” only works when you put honest data into it. Same thing with global warming... oh, I mean “climate change.” F your evil one-world BS.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 6:12 AM Reply   
Mark my words. The left will pay a price, bigly for their attempts to take people’s freedoms.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 6:25 AM Reply   
"The evidence is all out there to see. Your side is not even hiding it any more."
Exactly how much Clorox does one need to drink in order to see this magical evidence?
Do you take a few shots, wait, then a few more. Or do you just go gallon up?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 6:46 AM Reply   
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"The evidence is all out there to see. Your side is not even hiding it any more."
Exactly how much Clorox does one need to drink in order to see this magical evidence?
Do you take a few shots, wait, then a few more. Or do you just go gallon up?
Shut up, Jeremy. For starters, read the 3 trillion dollar bill your D-bag side just puked up.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 6:48 AM Reply   
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"The evidence is all out there to see. Your side is not even hiding it any more."
Exactly how much Clorox does one need to drink in order to see this magical evidence?
Do you take a few shots, wait, then a few more. Or do you just go gallon up?
Funny the Tide Pod Eating King mentions Clorox.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-18-2020, 6:53 AM Reply   
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The inconvenient truth for your side here is it was YOU and your party that claimed we needed to follow the science and models etc. Those models were ALL GROSSLY WRONG. Like big time wrong. Your side also moved the goalposts and switched from flattening the curve so-as to not overwhelm the hospitals to total lockdown until a vaccine is discovered in some cases. Your side wants to kill the economy and make everyone a ward of the state. The evidence is all out there to see. Your side is not even hiding it any more. Masks don’t do ****t and all that “science” only works when you put honest data into it. Same thing with global warming... oh, I mean “climate change.” F your evil one-world BS.
Good job. You could not come up with one single thing the grifter is doing to assist in stopping/slowing the pandemic. Not one thing he has said that we should all be doing or you even believe. The pandemic isnt political, it will kill D's and R's w/o prejudice. Your point is that we should not follow science? We should follow the grifters lead? What lead? The lead where he tells everyone to go back to work while he holes up surrounded by doctors? Do as I say? Appears you are misstating the goals. I find it pretty simple to mask up when I get out of the car, takes like 2 seconds. Sorry this is SOOOO difficult for you. Thought it was the millennials that were so soft. Nope its guys like you pushing lies. Wuss. Do your family a favor and avoid the grandparents and all.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 7:09 AM Reply   
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Good job. You could not come up with one single thing the grifter is doing to assist in stopping/slowing the pandemic. Not one thing he has said that we should all be doing or you even believe. The pandemic isnt political, it will kill D's and R's w/o prejudice. Your point is that we should not follow science? We should follow the grifters lead? What lead? The lead where he tells everyone to go back to work while he holes up surrounded by doctors? Do as I say? Appears you are misstating the goals. I find it pretty simple to mask up when I get out of the car, takes like 2 seconds. Sorry this is SOOOO difficult for you. Thought it was the millennials that were so soft. Nope its guys like you pushing lies. Wuss. Do your family a favor and avoid the grandparents and all.
NONE of yours post here overrides my post that you’re responding to. I spoke truth. You’re just trying to say, “look look look over here.” You clearly took the blue pill and I clearly took the red pill.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 7:17 AM Reply   
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Good job. You could not come up with one single thing the grifter is doing to assist in stopping/slowing the pandemic. Not one thing he has said that we should all be doing or you even believe. The pandemic isnt political, it will kill D's and R's w/o prejudice. Your point is that we should not follow science? We should follow the grifters lead? What lead? The lead where he tells everyone to go back to work while he holes up surrounded by doctors? Do as I say? Appears you are misstating the goals. I find it pretty simple to mask up when I get out of the car, takes like 2 seconds. Sorry this is SOOOO difficult for you. Thought it was the millennials that were so soft. Nope its guys like you pushing lies. Wuss. Do your family a favor and avoid the grandparents and all.
Btw, it’s you who is the wuss. I’m living my life while you’re hiding in your house from the falling sky. PS, zero cases in my zip code.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 7:17 AM Reply   
Must suck being so dumb and on your own markymark.
Im starting to feel about bad about thrashing you because you just cant respond to anything with substance.
You dont even have any support /reinforcements on here anymore.
You are just on an island of stupid.

Whats your zip code?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 7:30 AM Reply   
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Must suck being so dumb and on your own markymark.
Im starting to feel about bad about thrashing you because you just cant respond to anything with substance.
You dont even have any support /reinforcements on here anymore.
You are just on an island of stupid.

Whats your zip code?
Ahem. It’s YOU that is devoid of substance. On my own? Truth is truth. Doesn’t matter if reinforcements show up. I get texts, emails and PM’s regularly from people here supporting me. Let me also add, you are much-hated here, Jeremy. Like 95, you pus$sies hide behind a fake name. You even bragged about changing your screen names. You’re just too stupid to know you inadvertently outed yourself, Jeremy or should I say, wake77... mic drop.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 8:13 AM Reply   
who is Jeremy? Hahahaha, have fun chasing that tail.

Im glad you have support. People with mental illness certainly need it.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 8:18 AM Reply   
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who is Jeremy? Hahahaha, have fun chasing that tail.

Im glad you have support. People with mental illness certainly need it.
Speaking of chasing tail, did your cousin/wife come back yet or is she still at your dad and brother’s houses?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-18-2020, 8:28 AM Reply   
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NONE of yours post here overrides my post that you’re responding to. I spoke truth. You’re just trying to say, “look look look over here.” You clearly took the blue pill and I clearly took the red pill.
No, ive ASKED YOU several times what is the federal govts coherent plan to open the economy. Or any detailed plan re Covid. You cant answer. Its ok, they dont have one. They are overseeing 50 different states handling it 50 different ways. Its a brilliant plan to avoid any guidance, thats not the job of the feds.
You already stated specifically to not listen to scientists. Masks are BS. No need for testing? I mean what kind of data are we to use w/o more testing?
I am at home, but im not hiding from the falling sky. Im pretty busy. There are 38,000 cases in my county and over 1800 deaths. Im doing my part to help, you know the common good and all.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 8:42 AM Reply   
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Speaking of chasing tail, did your cousin/wife come back yet or is she still at your dad and brother’s houses?
Nice try, but if I wanted a come back, Id just pull my dong outta of your wife’s mouth.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-18-2020, 8:59 AM Reply   
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Nice try, but if I wanted a come back, Id just pull my dong outta of your wife’s mouth.
Not necessary. Mark's ideas are bad enough on their own, and when he can't defend them he resorts to personal attacks. No need to sink to that level.

(same goes for you Mark -- your ideas aren't ALWAYS bad and when they aren't they can be thought provoking -- up your game bro!)
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 9:09 AM Reply   
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Nice try, but if I wanted a come back, Id just pull my dong outta of your wife’s mouth.
I see you're still fantasizing about my wife. Sad. You'd better hope your cousin/wife doesn't find out.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 9:09 AM Reply   
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Not necessary. Mark's ideas are bad enough on their own, and when he can't defend them he resorts to personal attacks. No need to sink to that level.

(same goes for you Mark -- your ideas aren't ALWAYS bad and when they aren't they can be thought provoking -- up your game bro!)
What am I supposed to defend?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 9:23 AM Reply   
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No, ive ASKED YOU several times what is the federal govts coherent plan to open the economy. Or any detailed plan re Covid. You cant answer. Its ok, they dont have one. They are overseeing 50 different states handling it 50 different ways. Its a brilliant plan to avoid any guidance, thats not the job of the feds.
You already stated specifically to not listen to scientists. Masks are BS. No need for testing? I mean what kind of data are we to use w/o more testing?
I am at home, but im not hiding from the falling sky. Im pretty busy. There are 38,000 cases in my county and over 1800 deaths. Im doing my part to help, you know the common good and all.
Who cares what you've asked me? BFD! It's up to the states. It's your side that keeps trying to ask rhetorical questions like yours to hang it on the fed so you can try to hurt the teflon don. You keep shooting blanks or shooting yourself in the foot because no one is buying it. You keep repeating history and refusing to learn from it. I say keep going like that, PLEASE. Oh, and how bout you address why the "just flattening the curve" goal posts were moved?

As for the scientists, their models have THEMSELVES been wrong. That's not me spinning it. The other data that the left leaves out is the collateral damage done by shutting things down. That said, it's painfully clear why the left wants things boarded up. They want to create a new, dependent class so they can continue to push socialism. I also have a hard time trusting ANYTHING specific put out by anyone-right or left.

As for tests, the only problem I have with them is how wildly inaccurate some of them have been. I'm in Sacramento County. We have the smallest number of cases per capita of any equally populated area.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-18-2020, 9:56 AM Reply   
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As for tests, the only problem I have with them is how wildly inaccurate some of them have been. I'm in Sacramento County. We have the smallest number of cases per capita of any equally populated area.
See, you dont have to always act like an A-hole.
We need better, more reliable tests.
So, im in LA County, do you see the difference? Different areas require different reactions...just like all across the country.
The goal is to open up safely, not close down and intro socialism. Thats just more conspiracy BS.

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Oh, and how bout you address why the "just flattening the curve" goal posts were moved?
Everyone is learning on the fly. This period of social distancing and economic shutdown was never meant to stop the virus from circulating in the population. It was meant to slow the rate at which it moved so our healthcare system would not be overwhelmed, just like you stated. When you flatten the curve, the area under it remains largely the same. The curve just extends over a longer period of time and the peak is blunted. Anyone expecting COVID to disappear from our lives is under a serious delusion. As we open up, people are going to continue to test positive. Some will get severely ill. A small number will unfortunately die.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-18-2020, 10:24 AM Reply   
Exactly, one of the hardest things to comprehend is the fact that all of the social distancing measures and protocols will be shown effective by *nothing happening in the public health sense of things. There’s no way to go back and prove any of this works other than compare models of predictions which we all except as having flaws. Weather forecasters are wrong all the time and their errors subject people to loss, danger, and economic hardship. Thats certainly on a smaller scale, but nobody goes for their heads.

*Wholly acknowledging massive losses of life, security, freedom, and tranquility. Merely trying to suggest less thereof.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 11:12 AM Reply   
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See, you dont have to always act like an A-hole.
We need better, more reliable tests.
So, im in LA County, do you see the difference? Different areas require different reactions...just like all across the country.
The goal is to open up safely, not close down and intro socialism. Thats just more conspiracy BS.


Everyone is learning on the fly. This period of social distancing and economic shutdown was never meant to stop the virus from circulating in the population. It was meant to slow the rate at which it moved so our healthcare system would not be overwhelmed, just like you stated. When you flatten the curve, the area under it remains largely the same. The curve just extends over a longer period of time and the peak is blunted. Anyone expecting COVID to disappear from our lives is under a serious delusion. As we open up, people are going to continue to test positive. Some will get severely ill. A small number will unfortunately die.
Do you not listen to your own party's words? They've said themselves that their 3 trillion dollar bill was a foot in the door to implement their warped, socialist world views! Remember the ole "don't let a crisis go to waste" that came from your boy in Chicago? How many people have gotten Kung Flu from open areas or the beach etc? Where's the empirical evidence, study or science saying people can't safely be in open, free air? Some people couldn't even garden in their own back yards!!!

If "everyone is learning on the fly", where was/is all the grace for your president? Why did your side call him a racist when he shut the border to the Chicoms? Why did Fauci say people could hook up on Tinder etc (or Grinder in alltalknoride's case) if they wanted to? Fauci said some other erroneous stuff earlier as well, but the left considers his opinion the end-all-be-all. The predictions he made and models he pushed were ALL WRONG. And again, why won't anyone address the truth about the collateral damage done to society by the shutdowns? The "cure" in this case is far worse than the disease.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 11:17 AM Reply   
You lefties are gonna get pounded like a baby fur seal in the polls come November. Bloodbath city.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-18-2020, 11:50 AM Reply   
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Do you not listen to your own party's words? They've said themselves that their 3 trillion dollar bill was a foot in the door to implement their warped, socialist world views! Remember the ole "don't let a crisis go to waste" that came from your boy in Chicago? How many people have gotten Kung Flu from open areas or the beach etc? Where's the empirical evidence, study or science saying people can't safely be in open, free air? Some people couldn't even garden in their own back yards!!!

If "everyone is learning on the fly", where was/is all the grace for your president? Why did your side call him a racist when he shut the border to the Chicoms? Why did Fauci say people could hook up on Tinder etc (or Grinder in alltalknoride's case) if they wanted to? Fauci said some other erroneous stuff earlier as well, but the left considers his opinion the end-all-be-all. The predictions he made and models he pushed were ALL WRONG. And again, why won't anyone address the truth about the collateral damage done to society by the shutdowns? The "cure" in this case is far worse than the disease.
Nobody said that. In fact, go back, scroll around...find one post "from us" that said stopping China flights was racist. 2nd, by the time trump "stopped" the flights almost all flights had already been stopped by the airlines because they saw what the virus was doing. The virus was already here.

That thought "dont let a crisis go to waste" has been around a long, long time, used by many. Note what FDR did after the depression.

Grace for trump? When he said we had a couple cases and soon it would be zero? When he lied and said "We" have it under control? because he recommended an unproven drug? Because he went against all recommendations from his ADVISORS? and winged it. And his "hunches" turned out wrong every time. He made a bunch of errors from the getgo, when questioned he doubled down on the wrong side...time after time. Do a fact check on any and or all of his early statements and let me know what YOU think would be a reasonable response.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-18-2020, 11:51 AM Reply   
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Yeah, you would prefer we all just stay quiet, locked up in our houses “for the common good” while the economy tanks, suicide rates increase, unemployment explodes, people lose everything, drug and alcohol abuse increases, marriages crumble etc etc etc...
Did you see the poster boy for not doing lockdowns Sweden had only a 4% better economic outcome to date but 4x the death rate of it's close neighbors?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coro...of-europe.html
https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-...8-a7b262cd4b6e
https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-...ay-11588870062
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 12:08 PM Reply   
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Nobody said that. In fact, go back, scroll around...find one post "from us" that said stopping China flights was racist. 2nd, by the time trump "stopped" the flights almost all flights had already been stopped by the airlines because they saw what the virus was doing. The virus was already here.

That thought "dont let a crisis go to waste" has been around a long, long time, used by many. Note what FDR did after the depression.

Grace for trump? When he said we had a couple cases and soon it would be zero? When he lied and said "We" have it under control? because he recommended an unproven drug? Because he went against all recommendations from his ADVISORS? and winged it. And his "hunches" turned out wrong every time. He made a bunch of errors from the getgo, when questioned he doubled down on the wrong side...time after time. Do a fact check on any and or all of his early statements and let me know what YOU think would be a reasonable response.
Fun fact: Trump is taking the drug now. Too tired to respond to the rest.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 12:44 PM Reply   
[QUOTE=95sn;1997611]

That thought "dont let a crisis go to waste" has been around a long, long time, used by many. Note what FDR did after the depression.

Found it. See how crooked and evil your party is? There's plenty more where that came from too. Funny thing about liberalism: It NEVER wins a fair debate. The only way it gets its tentacles into power is through deceit.


https://nsjonline.com/article/2020/0...avirus-crisis/
Old     (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 1:09 PM Reply   
Both sides suck. But Markj can you admit that Trump has made some seriously stupid mistakes with the handling of this? It doesn't mean you have to vote for the other side.

I'm just curious if you can admit he's made some dumb statements and big mistakes?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 2:24 PM Reply   
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Both sides suck. But Markj can you admit that Trump has made some seriously stupid mistakes with the handling of this? It doesn't mean you have to vote for the other side.

I'm just curious if you can admit he's made some dumb statements and big mistakes?
Dumb statements? Of course, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Every politician has said dumb things about it-left or right. Mistakes? Meh I’m sure he’s got some regrets, but there’s no playbook or modern-day precedent on this. Hell, even the Libtard messiah, poster boy Fauci said some dumb things and gave horrible advice as well as gave terrible predictions. Personally, I can give grace to all leaders who were like deer in the headlights two months ago. It’s the CURRENT lockdowns that are clear efforts to force socialism, which I loathe.

Meanwhile, an inept Biden is still afraid to come out of his basement. So funny. And the gap-toothed, ugly-stick-beaten, libtard “super model” Stacy Abrams openly campaigns for a vice presidential nomination. It’s so bad that Obama has to come out of retirement to be a surrogate for Chester the molester Biden.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 2:40 PM Reply   
Oh and then the libtards in Colorado who let a prisoner out because they were afraid he might get the Kung Flu??? He just killed someone. That’s libtard logic for ya. Let’s let prisoners out and lock up people who want to go back to work. If masks are so great and effective, why don’t they give prisoners masks and keep them in jail or prison?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 2:54 PM Reply   
Here’s another thing that should scare you WW Libtards: the fact that any dissenting view that doesn’t totally fall in line with the libtard party line opinions of this Kung Flu gets removed from youtube etc. That should scare all of us. You asshats used to be for freedom of speech and expression. Now, you only believe in it if it means talking about some deviant behaviors that you’re trying to pass off as normal.
Old     (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 3:53 PM Reply   
Well at least you could admit that he does make some mistakes.

By the way, Trump has yet to win anyone over, or help people understand his logic, by insulting them. The same strategy isn't working for you either...
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 4:13 PM Reply   
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Well at least you could admit that he does make some mistakes.

By the way, Trump has yet to win anyone over, or help people understand his logic, by insulting them. The same strategy isn't working for you either...
Would that make you feel better? What are you? 13?

Oh... the bell just rang. Better get to 2nd period before Mr. Mackey sends you to the principal’s office for being tardy, mmmkaaayyy? Don’t forget your Play-Doh!

Attention WW libtards! One of the children you watch just escaped and started posting here. Do your job and self-govern.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 4:19 PM Reply   
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Did you see the poster boy for not doing lockdowns Sweden had only a 4% better economic outcome to date but 4x the death rate of it's close neighbors?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coro...of-europe.html
https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-...8-a7b262cd4b6e
https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-...ay-11588870062
Hey, broseph, what do the stats say about their lack of collateral damage-like all the areas I mentioned earlier? Hmm? I wonder if the msm will report on those things....... crickets..... this is shooting fish in a barrel.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-18-2020, 4:31 PM Reply   
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Hey, broseph, what do the stats say about their lack of collateral damage-like all the areas I mentioned earlier? Hmm? I wonder if the msm will report on those things....... crickets..... this is shooting fish in a barrel.
Well I can say for sure that the suicide rate in NZ hasn't gone up but we don't have Trump as President which is a distinct advantage in not wanting to kill yourself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...vid19-lockdown

And too be fair after our hard lock down for 4 weeks we have now reopened and our new case rate over the last 2 weeks has been 0 to 1 per day. We do have competent leadership and world class test and tracing tho.

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-18-2020, 4:37 PM Reply   
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Here’s another thing that should scare you WW Libtards: the fact that any dissenting view that doesn’t totally fall in line with the libtard party line opinions of this Kung Flu gets removed from youtube etc. That should scare all of us. You asshats used to be for freedom of speech and expression. Now, you only believe in it if it means talking about some deviant behaviors that you’re trying to pass off as normal.
Totally agree, the tech platforms having the ability to delete content they don't like is a big problem.
It's not exactly "free speech" tho, that is related to the Government preventing you from saying something not a corporation. The whole concept of a digital platform is not well served by current laws.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 4:54 PM Reply   
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Totally agree, the tech platforms having the ability to delete content they don't like is a big problem.
It's not exactly "free speech" tho, that is related to the Government preventing you from saying something not a corporation. The whole concept of a digital platform is not well served by current laws.
Just like the msm, the most popular tech platforms are an extension of the dem party. If I’m looking for objective search info, I go to DuckDuckGo.com
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 4:58 PM Reply   
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Well I can say for sure that the suicide rate in NZ hasn't gone up but we don't have Trump as President which is a distinct advantage in not wanting to kill yourself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...vid19-lockdown

And too be fair after our hard lock down for 4 weeks we have now reopened and our new case rate over the last 2 weeks has been 0 to 1 per day. We do have competent leadership and world class test and tracing tho.
So yeah, you guys did a hard 4 weeks. We’ve done 8 and counting. Again, no one bothers to be even a little objective and mention the permanent damage done by the shutdowns. Glad the public knows this and will vote accordingly.
Old     (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 5:10 PM Reply   
Hahaha. It's quite comical that you throw out more insults at me and tell me I'm the one being immature.

Your insults don't have any effect on me. The reason I find it odd that you were using them is that it seems like you're trying to provide information to persuade people to your point of view. But by hurling insults you are extremely unlikely to do that. So I guess this is just a fun place for you to complain and vent. Carry on.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 5:25 PM Reply   
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Hahaha. It's quite comical that you throw out more insults at me and tell me I'm the one being immature.

Your insults don't have any effect on me. The reason I find it odd that you were using them is that it seems like you're trying to provide information to persuade people to your point of view. But by hurling insults you are extremely unlikely to do that. So I guess this is just a fun place for you to complain and vent. Carry on.
I actually responded to you honestly, respectfully and candidly the first time, but then you ignored it and revealed your true intentions-which were to just pile on Trump like a typical libtard hack. Sorry, you’re a tad late to that party. Everyone is bored with that tired effort. This is a state and local thing. Remember when Trump tried to say he was the final authority on everything and the msm as well as the governors rightfully flipped him the bird? That was probably during second period ceramics for you. Now you all want to still blame him? You can’t have it both ways. It’s also past your bedtime, junior and it’s a school night.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2020, 5:30 PM Reply   
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Hahaha. It's quite comical that you throw out more insults at me and tell me I'm the one being immature.

Your insults don't have any effect on me. The reason I find it odd that you were using them is that it seems like you're trying to provide information to persuade people to your point of view. But by hurling insults you are extremely unlikely to do that. So I guess this is just a fun place for you to complain and vent. Carry on.
Tell you what. Why don’t you aim your pea shooter towards China and the WHO who covered this up? Do you even know that the WHO recommended AGAINST Trump closing the Chinese border?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-18-2020, 6:47 PM Reply   
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So yeah, you guys did a hard 4 weeks. We’ve done 8 and counting. Again, no one bothers to be even a little objective and mention the permanent damage done by the shutdowns. Glad the public knows this and will vote accordingly.
8 weeks, to late and too loose. Now you pay the price of electing an orange idiot
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Just like the msm, the most popular tech platforms are an extension of the dem party. If I’m looking for objective search info, I go to DuckDuckGo.com
Whats the matter whimpy? Dont like capitalism when "your" guys dont own it? You dont use objective search, you claimed you dont even trust snoopes, your go to? FOX, Daily Caller, NewsMax...lol.

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Found it. See how crooked and evil your party is? There's plenty more where that came from too. Funny thing about liberalism: It NEVER wins a fair debate. The only way it gets its tentacles into power is through deceit.
As if the grifter isnt taking advantage, lol. Explain why the bad orange guy has fired 6 IG's in the last 6 weeks. Hiding from something? Of course. Congress passed legislation, Bipartisan, tried to stop trump from selling arms to the murdering Saudis. Pompeo "cites emergency" and sells arms to Saudis behind congress back. They're not too happy about it. No one takes advantage of a crisis like the grifter. Impeachment 2.0? What if the R's cant hold the senate? Burr looks iffy. The Biotch in Georgia iffy too. Those stock trades are trouble. Evil R's.
Old     (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 3:58 AM Reply   
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I actually responded to you honestly, respectfully and candidly the first time, but then you ignored it and revealed your true intentions-which were to just pile on Trump like a typical libtard hack. Sorry, you’re a tad late to that party. Everyone is bored with that tired effort. This is a state and local thing. Remember when Trump tried to say he was the final authority on everything and the msm as well as the governors rightfully flipped him the bird? That was probably during second period ceramics for you. Now you all want to still blame him? You can’t have it both ways. It’s also past your bedtime, junior and it’s a school night.
Actually, I pointed out that you could admit that he makes mistakes. Which I meant as a positive. It seems like many of his supporters don't believe anything negative about him.

However, in your very next post, and in most of your posts you engage in very juvenile name-calling. Which is what Trump does as well. And my point is that when you are name-calling you are basically guaranteed not to have anyone, with a different viewpoint, take you seriously or listen to what you have to say. Yet you keep posting things on here as though you want to educate or persuade people to your position. Thus, Icannot find any logic in your method. Whether it's your intended purpose or not, you are just here to rant and the few people that agree with you will back you up.

But if you disagree with me, then what do you think your purpose is in coming here and writing what you write?
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 4:01 AM Reply   
Disdain for the current WH occupant aside; I think this big experiment shows the value of personality in our leaders. His style fanatically caters to a very small subset of our national population. It just does not work because his style foments confusion, distrust, and resentment. Works for his base because I guess they want it (burn it down, own the libs, etc), but it is impossible to lead a whole country by catering to only a few; I think this is the essence of his unpopularity and inability to exapand his base. Those features I noted (not a comprehensive list) are a source of his demonstrably ineffective leadership qualities. His presidency is summarized by his infamous rose garden, "No, I dont accept responsibility at all."
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https://www.vox.com/2020/5/19/212623...kemp-blackwell
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 4:41 AM Reply   
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Actually, I pointed out that you could admit that he makes mistakes. Which I meant as a positive. It seems like many of his supporters don't believe anything negative about him.

However, in your very next post, and in most of your posts you engage in very juvenile name-calling. Which is what Trump does as well. And my point is that when you are name-calling you are basically guaranteed not to have anyone, with a different viewpoint, take you seriously or listen to what you have to say. Yet you keep posting things on here as though you want to educate or persuade people to your position. Thus, Icannot find any logic in your method. Whether it's your intended purpose or not, you are just here to rant and the few people that agree with you will back you up.

But if you disagree with me, then what do you think your purpose is in coming here and writing what you write?
^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^

I apologize for my part in tainting the atmosphere for good faith arguments by mud wrestling with dude. I think I am just going to ignore him because being a troll, and trolling for trolls sake, is just not that fun. Others here posit some insight notions that get overlooked by all the saber rattling. I think dude is just here to make noise.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-19-2020, 5:43 AM Reply   
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Just like the msm, the most popular tech platforms are an extension of the dem party. If I’m looking for objective search info, I go to DuckDuckGo.com

So go start derpnet.com, what’s stopping you? YouTube and Facebook are private companies organized for profit. If it ever turned out that wackadoo conspiracies were more profitable, have no doubt they would traffic in them.

But as soon as you nationalize a private enterprise to ensure “free speech,” watch it turn into myspace or aol or compuserve.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 5:43 AM Reply   
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Actually, I pointed out that you could admit that he makes mistakes. Which I meant as a positive. It seems like many of his supporters don't believe anything negative about him.

However, in your very next post, and in most of your posts you engage in very juvenile name-calling. Which is what Trump does as well. And my point is that when you are name-calling you are basically guaranteed not to have anyone, with a different viewpoint, take you seriously or listen to what you have to say. Yet you keep posting things on here as though you want to educate or persuade people to your position. Thus, Icannot find any logic in your method. Whether it's your intended purpose or not, you are just here to rant and the few people that agree with you will back you up.

But if you disagree with me, then what do you think your purpose is in coming here and writing what you write?
Besides being redundant, what does “admitting” anything do? To what end do you want to take that? It changes nothing. For the record, I don’t know a single supporter of his that supports everything. I mean, that’s just the same as me saying you support every single thing AOC advocates since she’s a dem. If it “seems” like Trump supporters don’t think he’s ever done anything wrong, maybe you should open your eyes just a tad and realize a little something about human nature: If someone is attacking you 24/7, you’re bound to come across as defensive.

As for the rest of what you’re saying, I don’t need any validation from you or any other libtard here to make me whole. I believe the majority of the USA feels similarly to me. I guess we’ll see in November if I’m correct right?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:23 AM Reply   
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So go start derpnet.com, what’s stopping you? YouTube and Facebook are private companies organized for profit. If it ever turned out that wackadoo conspiracies were more profitable, have no doubt they would traffic in them.

But as soon as you nationalize a private enterprise to ensure “free speech,” watch it turn into myspace or aol or compuserve.
I just pointed out duckduckgo.com so there’s that. I’m not suggesting anything gets nationalized. I’m just pointing out the BS of taking down the video as though there was something to hide. Kinda had an opposite effect and reinforced the whole conspiracy idea, don’t ya think? It was also completely futile since that only gave it more legs. It’s widely available now on other sites.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 6:34 AM Reply   
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For the record, I don’t know a single supporter of his that supports everything. I mean, that’s just the same as me saying you support every single thing AOC advocates since she’s a dem. I
which is what you do everyday. Yesterday, Dems...never let a crisis go to waste.
Every meme you have ever posted.
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The left will pay a price, bigly for their attempts to take people’s freedoms.
The "Libs at the beach", The Blue hair is a lib giveaway ......Could go on and on, pick a day.
Everyday you lump all libs in the same libtard basket. left, middle left, makes no matter.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:36 AM Reply   
Wow. There’s BS all around. I’m just waiting for the civil war to start. Glad my side will be armed with weapons while your side will be armed with snarky comments, internet-body-shaming, race cards and rumors.

Honestly, the first shot fired in our newly-uber polarized society was fired from the left when they couldn’t handle the 2016 election results. Nationwide weeping and gnashing of teeth from people already weakened by failing ideas and a media willing to make headline news out of it like it was the end of the world. It’s not gonna get any better. I’m not kidding when I say I’m waiting for a civil war and if I had to bet, I’d say that first shot gets fired by the right when the pendulum eventually swings back to the left and they try to trample civil rights or the constitution.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:39 AM Reply   
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which is what you do everyday. Yesterday, Dems...never let a crisis go to waste.
Every meme you have ever posted.

The "Libs at the beach", The Blue hair is a lib giveaway ......Could go on and on, pick a day.
Everyday you lump all libs in the same libtard basket. left, middle left, makes no matter.
We ALL do that. So do you. Some of this is tongue in cheek and funny too, you know? The “crisis” comment were a Dem’s own words verbatim.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 6:41 AM Reply   
That is some grade A, petty, desperate to cling power, BS. I guess their voters are cool with it though, I dont know of anything that really can be done about it otherwise.

Its amazing what people can get away once they drop the whole morals thing. Its also amazing that there really isnt a firm check on such moves. Its always like, "so what." Disheartening when regular folk play by the rules.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:43 AM Reply   
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which is what you do everyday. Yesterday, Dems...never let a crisis go to waste.
Every meme you have ever posted.

The "Libs at the beach", The Blue hair is a lib giveaway ......Could go on and on, pick a day.
Everyday you lump all libs in the same libtard basket. left, middle left, makes no matter.
I’ve gone on record here numerous times saying that I don’t agree with everything Trump does and I’ve even made fun of him here too. Memes are often funny if they’re not posted by you-who has no sense of humor. Wes occasionally posts decent ones.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:46 AM Reply   
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That is some grade A, petty, desperate to cling power, BS. I guess their voters are cool with it though, I dont know of anything that really can be done about it otherwise.

Its amazing what people can get away once they drop the whole morals thing. Its also amazing that there really isnt a firm check on such moves. Its always like, "so what." Disheartening when regular folk play by the rules.
I have to agree with you. It’s almost as bad as the “wait until after the election” comment Obama said to Putin and then turns around and falsely accuses Trump of being in bed with Putin.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 6:48 AM Reply   
Please tell me how libs have “played by the rules” with their 4 failed coup attempts. Oh and now they’re trying to start another impeachment.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 7:39 AM Reply   
Speaking of libs...
It was the Senate Republican led report that said Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Russia was assisting candidate Trump.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-russia.html
In addition the Republican led Mueller investigation came up with the same results.
This means you are reacting to fake coup news. Relax. Breathe deep. Trumps just lying again.
How many of your "Coups" do I need to debunk for you?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 7:56 AM Reply   
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Speaking of libs...
It was the Senate Republican led report that said Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Russia was assisting candidate Trump.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-russia.html
In addition the Republican led Mueller investigation came up with the same results.
This means you are reacting to fake coup news. Relax. Breathe deep. Trumps just lying again.
How many of your "Coups" do I need to debunk for you?
Yeah... it was all a repub effort to unseat a duly-elected president. Repubs we’re pulling all the strings. That’s why the repubs impeached him too right? Dude... Get real.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 7:59 AM Reply   
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Speaking of libs...
It was the Senate Republican led report that said Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Russia was assisting candidate Trump.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...mp-russia.html
In addition the Republican led Mueller investigation came up with the same results.
This means you are reacting to fake coup news. Relax. Breathe deep. Trumps just lying again.
How many of your "Coups" do I need to debunk for you?
Wanna explain why they’re attempting another impeachment? It’s things like that that make me shrug off the Georgia story. This is war.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 8:15 AM Reply   
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Yeah... it was all a repub effort to unseat a duly-elected president. Repubs we’re pulling all the strings. That’s why the repubs impeached him too right? Dude... Get real.
You dont like actual facts you dont agree with do you. Richard Burr who was the lead Republican on the Senate intelligence committee disagrees with you. You cant change facts because they destroy your conspiracy theory. BTW, he was also DULY IMPEACHED. LOL. I am real and im right. Read the Senate report. Show me where im wrong.
Here you go pal, the actual report is here. Best of luck.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/25/74535...-2016-election
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 8:18 AM Reply   
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Wanna explain why they’re attempting another impeachment? It’s things like that that make me shrug off the Georgia story. This is war.
Im not 100% sure if its the pres fine Covid work or if its firing his 6th IG in 6 weeks. The Saudi arms deal looks pretty bad, lets go with that. I'll update you if I hear different.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 8:25 AM Reply   
Yea, Pompeo going behind congress and citizens backs to sell weaponry to the Saudi's (why?) while we are all dealing with a pandemic. Then, THEN ousting the IG investigating the issue (as legally entailed) for not not doing his job.....just not a good look for anyone involved.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 8:32 AM Reply   
Why?
Because MBS knows trump and his greed. MBS is cashed up. Its $$. And there will be a money trail, a big one with big yellow arrows to mark the route back to trump simply because hes a 2 bit grifter. Just a guess.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 8:43 AM Reply   
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Im not 100% sure if its the pres fine Covid work or if its firing his 6th IG in 6 weeks. The Saudi arms deal looks pretty bad, lets go with that. I'll update you if I hear different.
Yeah I bet he’s trying to get a Russian arms deal goin too. Why don’t we keep that up?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-19-2020, 8:50 AM Reply   
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Well I can say for sure that the suicide rate in NZ hasn't gone up but we don't have Trump as President which is a distinct advantage in not wanting to kill yourself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...vid19-lockdown

And too be fair after our hard lock down for 4 weeks we have now reopened and our new case rate over the last 2 weeks has been 0 to 1 per day. We do have competent leadership and world class test and tracing tho.
understand, NZ is not an international hub of travel. We have had thousands of people in and out of NY and other large cities, so we have had an extreme spread of the virus over feb and march. then add insult to injury, we have closed down, while most locations, In the state, have 800:1 or less per county. So we have a balance that is way off in certain areas.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 9:07 AM Reply   
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understand, NZ is not an international hub of travel. We have had thousands of people in and out of NY and other large cities, so we have had an extreme spread of the virus over feb and march. then add insult to injury, we have closed down, while most locations, In the state, have 800:1 or less per county. So we have a balance that is way off in certain areas.
Doug, you know that the "hot spots in the USA for Covid" are not in or near internat'l hubs anymore.
New Mexico
Moore County, Texas
Alabama
Sioux Falls S. Dakota

New York, New Jersey are seeing declines now. Agree this is why (int'l hubs) and where we got hit early and hard. If you remove NY and NJ from US charts....the chart for the US is pointing up.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-19-2020, 9:34 AM Reply   
Hey no talk about how Fredo’s brother, the libtard Gov. forced the Kung Flu positive old folks into the rest home so they could kill their neighbors. What’s up with that? Where was the “fair and balanced” MSM on that?
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 10:41 AM Reply   
I can agree that the balance has been off in some areas. However, no one that I know has ever been through anything like this before and I feel better off that we were aggressive to start with and slowly backed off. Perhaps if there’s another round we can be more focused with shut down efforts if/as needed.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-19-2020, 11:40 AM Reply   
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Doug, you know that the "hot spots in the USA for Covid" are not in or near internat'l hubs anymore.
New Mexico
Moore County, Texas
Alabama
Sioux Falls S. Dakota

New York, New Jersey are seeing declines now. Agree this is why (int'l hubs) and where we got hit early and hard. If you remove NY and NJ from US charts....the chart for the US is pointing up.
i am not arguing the spread, it a virus, its going to continue. its not something we can stop. just suppress or deal with. I don't think people realize the first impact was not in anyones control, and visa versa, we had people traveling all over the world while this began to explode, but long island is 20:1, while my county is 900:1 so there is going to be a suppression in the fall in NY and people will be moving while other areas are dealing with spread, Its going to happen, but no one country is the same, and the margins are wide. Its going to have to play out. we will all have to deal with it, but we are all going to go back to life. Those who want to hide can hide, and thats ok too, but others are going to balance risk, and decide. has to be this way
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       05-19-2020, 12:05 PM Reply   
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i am not arguing the spread, it a virus, its going to continue. its not something we can stop. just suppress or deal with. I don't think people realize the first impact was not in anyones control, and visa versa, we had people traveling all over the world while this began to explode, but long island is 20:1, while my county is 900:1 so there is going to be a suppression in the fall in NY and people will be moving while other areas are dealing with spread, Its going to happen, but no one country is the same, and the margins are wide. Its going to have to play out. we will all have to deal with it, but we are all going to go back to life. Those who want to hide can hide, and thats ok too, but others are going to balance risk, and decide. has to be this way
I agree. The only addition I would make is the risk and responsibility issue. Wearing a mask protects others more than yourself. In areas that have the virus and require masks. Its irresponsible to not wear a mask because you are willing to assume risk. Others with high risk conditions are not willing to take your risks, they should not risk being infected because you dont want to wear a mask. Everyone should be responsible and wear mask in public. They can do as they please when not in public. To say im not wearing a mask because im not scared (or at risk) is childish.
Old     (lesstalkmoreride)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-19-2020, 12:11 PM Reply   
The polarization and symbolism of wearing a mask is stupid. “Everything is politics” is true to a degree, but I hope our society does not continue a path of looking at one action, word, decision and instantly ascribing a whole worldview. Seeing some scary interactions indirectly.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-19-2020, 12:20 PM Reply   
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I agree. The only addition I would make is the risk and responsibility issue. Wearing a mask protects others more than yourself. In areas that have the virus and require masks. Its irresponsible to not wear a mask because you are willing to assume risk. Others with high risk conditions are not willing to take your risks, they should not risk being infected because you dont want to wear a mask. Everyone should be responsible and wear mask in public. They can do as they please when not in public. To say im not wearing a mask because im not scared (or at risk) is childish.
i am not sure if masks are good or bad, as many don't wear them properly and touch them all the time, i work indirectly in healthcare, so I see positives and negatives. Positive, stops sneezing and coughing on others, negative, people don't replace them, continually touch them, then touch other things, so they spread virus from the mask onto other things.

i wear one while working, although the doctors and staff don't, but thats due to them understanding not to touch their face, etc etc. i like the mask in tight spaces, and while i cannot distance myself, I take it off when not distancing. i have medical masks, level 3 and n95, but if i did not, i recommend, sitting it outside, in direct sunlight for a few min, then flip it, for other side. UV kills it quick. Also wash your cloth masks.

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Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-19-2020, 12:34 PM Reply   
I also get tested every week. its 70 bucks, but I have a T1D 6 yr old, so I pay attention. I have sworn i have had it, but nope, never have, hope to never have it, I think a large part of the spread is internal. One get its, brings it home, everyone has it. We really just need to realize we are going to get it, but try to segregate the old, and those with high risk factors. It needs to work its way through the population, but at a reasonable rate. There are so many corona viruses all around us all the time, but this one will, eventually, replicate into a mild form. The question is when. i am not a doctor, but i see thousands of them, at many different levels, and one thing you cannot argue, wash your hands, don't touch your face, then wash when you leave somewhere, and you will cut the risk by 90%
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-19-2020, 12:38 PM Reply   
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understand, NZ is not an international hub of travel. We have had thousands of people in and out of NY and other large cities, so we have had an extreme spread of the virus over feb and march. then add insult to injury, we have closed down, while most locations, In the state, have 800:1 or less per county. So we have a balance that is way off in certain areas.
Totally agree. NZ is a special and blessed case but we had strong leadership which took the necessary action without hesitation. I thought it was an over reaction but now I think they got it right.
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