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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 6:47 AM Reply   
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Trust me, they are there. A few idiots wanting to kidnap a corrupt governor is a small time operation. it is only skin deep. ANTIFA has long legs with deep money. This crowd has been around for a while in the bay area as Black Block. This is the Occupy crowd as well. Interesting how there is a riot in a small town in Wisconsin in response to a issue and there is immediately people from Washington State and California there within the day getting arrested for violence. I am sure there are just 20 year olds waiting with their credit cards in hand waiting around to fly anywhere in the country on a moments notice so they can go burn a car lot down.
1. Gov wasnt/isnt corrupt. Compare her state to N/S Dakota and Wisconsin in Covid response. FYI, the three red states are in trouble, building a 500 bed field hospital currently because their hospitals are out of space. Why would trump side with "A few idiots" wanting to kidnap a Gov? LIBERATE MICHAGAN.
2. Are you forgetting the other teenager in Wis. who travelled across state lines, armed himself and shot three people killing 2 of them?
3. Antifa, I remember the proof of their funding. A rented $30/per day uhaul van with signs. lol. $30 bucks is deep money.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-14-2020, 6:47 AM Reply   
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I am sure there are just 20 year olds waiting with their credit cards in hand waiting around to fly anywhere in the country on a moments notice so they can go burn a car lot down.
Right? Because all of the dudes at charlottsville were just hometown racists (err "good people"). Nobody came from out of town there.

Its so funny that you cite the Social Dilemma but have no insight that your own political views and the views of people like you may be being manipulated.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 6:51 AM Reply   
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Guy nailed it. Lock down to regather your resources. The goal the whole time was to not let the hospitals get over run. Goal achieved months ago. We had a supply chain shake up initially. We got industry to refocus on a few things and we are back in business. What else can we do? Everyone not work for years?
You are not paying attention. Like most all the goals set by trump, fail.
https://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-ope...202331552.html

Supply chain shake up? Thats a little too generous.

https://www.businessinsider.com/docu...rce=reddit.com
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:00 AM Reply   
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1. Gov wasnt/isnt corrupt. Compare her state to N/S Dakota and Wisconsin in Covid response. FYI, the three red states are in trouble, building a 500 bed field hospital currently because their hospitals are out of space. Why would trump side with "A few idiots" wanting to kidnap a Gov? LIBERATE MICHAGAN.
2. Are you forgetting the other teenager in Wis. who travelled across state lines, armed himself and shot three people killing 2 of them?
3. Antifa, I remember the proof of their funding. A rented $30/per day uhaul van with signs. lol. $30 bucks is deep money.
Sure they are. I bet those states don't have the people wanting to murder the governor because of their politically motivated need to strong arm the people now do they?

You mean the teenager that actually works in that town as a life guard because it is right across the border from Illinois? That state line crossing? You mean the rifle he used from a state resident? You mean the teen who was cleaning up the destruction all day from your democrat friends? that teen? You mean the one who was trying to put out a fire caused by you democrats and was brutally attacked by your followers? that teen? The one who was shot at first, then gang attacked before defending himself? That teen? I seem to remember that guy. Not sure who you are talking about.

Ah. you are the evil that is in this country. You and Joe Biden and the rest of the democrats. Can not even acknowledge the existence of your brown shirts even when they are at every event with flags waving and destruction following. What you are your followers do is called gas lighting. This is why were are going to go to war with you.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 7:03 AM Reply   
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Even if you reopen, as long as there's a risk of getting sick in crowds, you are going to see industries like tourism (cruise / airlines / casinos / amusement parks) which depend on people packing together suffer. Same can be said for concerts, NBA/MLB/NFL/NCAA sports.

Sure there are foolhardy people who will go back. They are already showing up en masse to the MAGA rallies. Ironically, their actions are going to slow the recovery for those industries, because (a) they enhance the spread of the disease, and (b) many people won't go back while there's a chance of getting sick.
This.
Im a HUGE Lakers Fan, so i watched many of the games finishing the season and the playoffs. The entire thing was held in a bubble. The teams that met in the finals were there over 3 months. There was not a single Covid positive test with the players, zero. It just shows how well we can shut down Covid if we really try. Contrast with baseball and NFL, College Football. How many positives? How many game cancellations....

Trump is disintegrating any chance he had by the latest maskless MAGA rallies. Day after day more positive tests in the wake of his campaign. The superspreader in chief is toast. He'll lose in a landslide and take the senate with him. The only question is how far, how low the MAGA crowd will go following the grifter.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:07 AM Reply   
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Right? Because all of the dudes at charlottsville were just hometown racists (err "good people"). Nobody came from out of town there.

Its so funny that you cite the Social Dilemma but have no insight that your own political views and the views of people like you may be being manipulated.
Interesting. I acknowledge there were racists there. So. I also can rationalize that the event (oddly enough held in a democrat town ran by a big time democrat operative) was widely publicized to be a national event drew less people than the brony conventions do annually. I am not worried about those idiots.

I can also rationalize that there were people there who were concerned about them taking down statues like the taliban that you worship. you don't have to be a racist to not want that type of activity. I am sure you were for the book burnings and such back in the day?

Here is where the log is in your eye. You and your evil democrat buddies will not even acknowledge the attendance of the communist ANTIFA and your assorted taliban types that you guys support. I am sure there were a few good people there from the democrat side who went to protest racism that were not part of the communist movement. Difference is, I acknowledge all parties, but you and yours will not and then want to lecture us all on how we only see one side of an issue?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:11 AM Reply   
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This.
Im a HUGE Lakers Fan, so i watched many of the games finishing the season and the playoffs. The entire thing was held in a bubble. The teams that met in the finals were there over 3 months. There was not a single Covid positive test with the players, zero. It just shows how well we can shut down Covid if we really try. Contrast with baseball and NFL, College Football. How many positives? How many game cancellations....

Trump is disintegrating any chance he had by the latest maskless MAGA rallies. Day after day more positive tests in the wake of his campaign. The superspreader in chief is toast. He'll lose in a landslide and take the senate with him. The only question is how far, how low the MAGA crowd will go following the grifter.
Oh boo hoo. They locked down GD MILLIONAIRES FOR A FEW MONTHS. They put them up in the finest hotels and kicked out anyone who violated the rules and would not let a single person without extensive testing and pre lock down come in. In the mean time those who have to work for a living, had to go out and grind to get these MILLIONAIRES looking for glory their food, water, shelter and live in the real world to do so.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 7:11 AM Reply   
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Sure they are. I bet those states don't have the people wanting to murder the governor because of their politically motivated need to strong arm the people now do they?

You mean the teenager that actually works in that town as a life guard because it is right across the border from Illinois? That state line crossing? You mean the rifle he used from a state resident? You mean the teen who was cleaning up the destruction all day from your democrat friends? that teen? You mean the one who was trying to put out a fire caused by you democrats and was brutally attacked by your followers? that teen? The one who was shot at first, then gang attacked before defending himself? That teen? I seem to remember that guy. Not sure who you are talking about.

Ah. you are the evil that is in this country. You and Joe Biden and the rest of the democrats. Can not even acknowledge the existence of your brown shirts even when they are at every event with flags waving and destruction following. What you are your followers do is called gas lighting. This is why were are going to go to war with you.
Thats the one, the murderer. Did he or did he not cross state lines? Was he armed? Did he shoot 3 people? When you shoot someone and run, you lose the defending yourself concept, law and all.

Biden has been in politics for 50 years, he has a long long record, you are ignoring that record in order to parrot right wing talk radio BS. Brown shirts at every event? Get back on your meds
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-14-2020, 7:15 AM Reply   
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Interesting. I acknowledge there were racists there. So. I also can rationalize that the event (oddly enough held in a democrat town ran by a big time democrat operative) was widely publicized to be a national event drew less people than the brony conventions do annually. I am not worried about those idiots.

I can also rationalize that there were people there who were concerned about them taking down statues like the taliban that you worship. you don't have to be a racist to not want that type of activity. I am sure you were for the book burnings and such back in the day?

Here is where the log is in your eye. You and your evil democrat buddies will not even acknowledge the attendance of the communist ANTIFA and your assorted taliban types that you guys support. I am sure there were a few good people there from the democrat side who went to protest racism that were not part of the communist movement. Difference is, I acknowledge all parties, but you and yours will not and then want to lecture us all on how we only see one side of an issue?
Ahhh, you want to acknowledge that there are folks profiting off of dividing us? Heck yes, I'm there with you Delta. For every Che Guevara t-shirt sold, there's a a MAGA had or a "Trump 2020 f your feelings" bumper sticker. The folks selling that stuff are out there PROFITING off of dividing us.

Are there a few yahoos on the left who consider themselves professional protesters? Yep. Are there some on the right doing the same thing? Yes, indeed. If you watched the Social Dilemma you understand how "regular folks" get sucked down that rabbit hole too.

You may want to consider whether the folks spending money to influence you to be on team white people might be doing it to further their own interests? What does team white people really have to do with tax cuts for billionaires, at the end of the day?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:16 AM Reply   
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Typical republican move lol. Can't find any voter fraud (Trump's own commission couldn't lol) so they have to create some.
That's right it is not voter fraud. You just cater to illegals to play the long game of creating voters who will vote in the interest of opening the borders. Create voter harvesting and motor voter registration after giving illegals licenses. Yep. Not illegal. they just make it a law of the state so it is all up and up. We know gaming the system when we see it. We also know that you will sell the US to the third world in a heart beat if it means power. Who is it that really needs foreign influence in elections? Pretty sure I know the answer.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:19 AM Reply   
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Sounds like drivel straight from the communist manifesto. Completely ignore abortion stances and starts spewing commie talking points. Even as dishonest as saying Trump proposed cuts. Did not say he did and even then no reasoning on why.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 7:23 AM Reply   
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Oh boo hoo. They locked down GD MILLIONAIRES FOR A FEW MONTHS. They put them up in the finest hotels and kicked out anyone who violated the rules and would not let a single person without extensive testing and pre lock down come in. In the mean time those who have to work for a living, had to go out and grind to get these MILLIONAIRES looking for glory their food, water, shelter and live in the real world to do so.
There is no Boo hoo, My team won, we are World Champions, again, #17.
Covid does not care if you are a millionaire or a pauper, R or D. Proof positive the science works. Yes, if you dont play by the rules we kick you out, turns out they were 100% correct. You are making the point how well rules work. Those millionaires left big tips for the regular folks who have to work for a living. It was leaked Russel Westbrook left an $8000 tip for housekeeping. The NBA was responsible (credit NHL, they did it too), they devised a plan and it worked. They put people back to work, hotels, TV, radio, medical staff, trainers, ... See how the trump plan is worthless? Why it hasnt worked? 215,000 dead. You have to stop the spread before opening, then test and trace. Its not that hard, unless you make wearing a mask political.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:31 AM Reply   
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Thats the one, the murderer. Did he or did he not cross state lines? Was he armed? Did he shoot 3 people? When you shoot someone and run, you lose the defending yourself concept, law and all.

Biden has been in politics for 50 years, he has a long long record, you are ignoring that record in order to parrot right wing talk radio BS. Brown shirts at every event? Get back on your meds
You are an idiot through and through. Running is the first action in self defense. You try and remove yourself from the situation. If the situation follows you, you have every right for action. When someone shoots at you first then you get attacked, you have every right to defend yourself.

Did he cross state lines? No he did not. He is a legal worker in that state and pays income tax in that state. He did not fly in from Washington state or kalifornia to burn down a town.

Again, you are the reason we are going to war.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:34 AM Reply   
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There is no Boo hoo, My team won, we are World Champions, again, #17.
Covid does not care if you are a millionaire or a pauper, R or D. Proof positive the science works. Yes, if you dont play by the rules we kick you out, turns out they were 100% correct. You are making the point how well rules work. Those millionaires left big tips for the regular folks who have to work for a living. It was leaked Russel Westbrook left an $8000 tip for housekeeping. The NBA was responsible (credit NHL, they did it too), they devised a plan and it worked. They put people back to work, hotels, TV, radio, medical staff, trainers, ... See how the trump plan is worthless? Why it hasnt worked? 215,000 dead. You have to stop the spread before opening, then test and trace. Its not that hard, unless you make wearing a mask political.
finally caught up with the Celtics. good job. I am sure you are so proud. You did so much to earn that.

We kick you out? You have a mouse in your pocket?

So who grew the food, got it to market, prepared it for the locked down people to prepare? Who mined the resources, brought it to market and refined it for them to use? Who made those uniforms? Who made the balls for them? Who is running the plants that provide them with electricity?

You have such a idiotic myopic view of the world. Go back in your basement.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:36 AM Reply   
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There is no Boo hoo, My team won, we are World Champions, again, #17.
Covid does not care if you are a millionaire or a pauper, R or D. Proof positive the science works. Yes, if you dont play by the rules we kick you out, turns out they were 100% correct. You are making the point how well rules work. Those millionaires left big tips for the regular folks who have to work for a living. It was leaked Russel Westbrook left an $8000 tip for housekeeping. The NBA was responsible (credit NHL, they did it too), they devised a plan and it worked. They put people back to work, hotels, TV, radio, medical staff, trainers, ... See how the trump plan is worthless? Why it hasnt worked? 215,000 dead. You have to stop the spread before opening, then test and trace. Its not that hard, unless you make wearing a mask political.
Tell you what. Cut LA off for 3 weeks without food or running water because the world is on lock down. Let's see how civil your people are to each other. New Orleans was without for 3 days when parts of the population were turning on each other.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:45 AM Reply   
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Ahhh, you want to acknowledge that there are folks profiting off of dividing us? Heck yes, I'm there with you Delta. For every Che Guevara t-shirt sold, there's a a MAGA had or a "Trump 2020 f your feelings" bumper sticker. The folks selling that stuff are out there PROFITING off of dividing us.

Are there a few yahoos on the left who consider themselves professional protesters? Yep. Are there some on the right doing the same thing? Yes, indeed. If you watched the Social Dilemma you understand how "regular folks" get sucked down that rabbit hole too.

You may want to consider whether the folks spending money to influence you to be on team white people might be doing it to further their own interests? What does team white people really have to do with tax cuts for billionaires, at the end of the day?
I don't buy political goodies. I don't donate to politicians. I don't volunteer for political causes.

What does billionaires and white have to do with this conversation. Only talk I have heard from democrats my entire life is envy. you should research what envy does to the human spirit. It is an evil state of mind and only evil people try to use it to stay in power.

What does taxes of certain groups have to do with you or me? Is there an island you need to buy to make your life complete? Are you not able to capture money to run your life? Is the government running? Only thing tax structure does is influence where the money flows. You want it to flow in our economy or someone elses economy? If you want to have it flow to somewhere else then keep on voting democrat. Those "green" treaties are only share the wealth communist wish list ideas. They allow the other countries to set up court in our country while only answering to their countries. They can sue our businesses and take direct taxes from you and me. Makes it it easy for the billionaires to move off shore and still make their money off of us.

What does a color have to do with a culture? If you want to say the culture that has built the most successful and most generous society that has ever been created in human existence happens to be made up by vast majority of white people then I am on board. Other than that, color is just another envy tool and we all know that is a tool used by evil people.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 7:49 AM Reply   
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Ahhh, you want to acknowledge that there are folks profiting off of dividing us? Heck yes, I'm there with you Delta. For every Che Guevara t-shirt sold, there's a a MAGA had or a "Trump 2020 f your feelings" bumper sticker. The folks selling that stuff are out there PROFITING off of dividing us.

Are there a few yahoos on the left who consider themselves professional protesters? Yep. Are there some on the right doing the same thing? Yes, indeed. If you watched the Social Dilemma you understand how "regular folks" get sucked down that rabbit hole too.

You may want to consider whether the folks spending money to influence you to be on team white people might be doing it to further their own interests? What does team white people really have to do with tax cuts for billionaires, at the end of the day?
Tell you what. I don't agree at all with every Che Guevara shirt there is a MAGA hat sold. Not even close but I get the discussion point.

How is this for a discussion point. You should (a democrat in outstanding standing) do a little experiment. Buy both. head over to a number of college campus student unions and put on one then the other and see what response you get. Report back to the group.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 8:04 AM Reply   
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Ahhh, you want to acknowledge that there are folks profiting off of dividing us? Heck yes, I'm there with you Delta. For every Che Guevara t-shirt sold, there's a a MAGA had or a "Trump 2020 f your feelings" bumper sticker. The folks selling that stuff are out there PROFITING off of dividing us.

Are there a few yahoos on the left who consider themselves professional protesters? Yep. Are there some on the right doing the same thing? Yes, indeed. If you watched the Social Dilemma you understand how "regular folks" get sucked down that rabbit hole too.

You may want to consider whether the folks spending money to influence you to be on team white people might be doing it to further their own interests? What does team white people really have to do with tax cuts for billionaires, at the end of the day?
Do you really think people make a billion dollars a year? You and your democrat buddies try and convince the public they do. Those billions are in stocks that you and every other person with a 401k needs to retire on. At the same time, it would be interesting to see if all these so called billionaires tried to cash in all at once, would they rely be billionaires? I bet that if you took all the valuations of all the companies in the world, their valuations would add up to more money than exists and at the least adds up to more money that would actually be there to buy their "billions" in assets. If you want real reform. quit giving credit cards to everyone with a pulse so prices come down and quit giving stock options.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 8:12 AM Reply   
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Thats the one, the murderer. Did he or did he not cross state lines? Was he armed? Did he shoot 3 people? When you shoot someone and run, you lose the defending yourself concept, law and all.

Biden has been in politics for 50 years, he has a long long record, you are ignoring that record in order to parrot right wing talk radio BS. Brown shirts at every event? Get back on your meds
Can you tell me what Joe did in 50 years? I am sure he has all sorts of things he can point to? How about that crime bill that is jailing minorities at high rates for longer times. is he proud of that?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 8:13 AM Reply   
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finally caught up with the Celtics. good job. I am sure you are so proud. You did so much to earn that.

We kick you out? You have a mouse in your pocket?

So who grew the food, got it to market, prepared it for the locked down people to prepare? Who mined the resources, brought it to market and refined it for them to use? Who made those uniforms? Who made the balls for them? Who is running the plants that provide them with electricity?

You have such a idiotic myopic view of the world. Go back in your basement.
At least as much as you assisted Indy to their 3rd place AFC South division title. Good luck with the San Diego has been.
WE, the people who make the rules and play by them.

Yes, WE helped put all those people to work too, thanks for the reminder. See how making a plan, sticking to it helps all?

SoCL, basement? less than 9% of our homes have basements.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 8:14 AM Reply   
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Tell you what. Cut LA off for 3 weeks without food or running water because the world is on lock down. Let's see how civil your people are to each other. New Orleans was without for 3 days when parts of the population were turning on each other.
WE didnt build LA under sea level.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 8:24 AM Reply   
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You are an idiot through and through. Running is the first action in self defense. You try and remove yourself from the situation. If the situation follows you, you have every right for action. When someone shoots at you first then you get attacked, you have every right to defend yourself.

Did he cross state lines? No he did not. He is a legal worker in that state and pays income tax in that state. He did not fly in from Washington state or kalifornia to burn down a town.

Again, you are the reason we are going to war.
You are gonna back yourself into a corner bub.
He shot victim 1 before the crowd was in chase. No self defense. If you leave your home (and state) and travel to a known situation, then you take possession of a firearm and you shoot an unarmed man, youre responsible for your situation. Just bad decision making.
Didnt cross state lines? Where is his State of residence? Where did the altercation take place? How did he get there? His employment is unimportant as he was not at the pool, was he.
Again, you are a liar, your reasoning is flawed. If im wrong, provide documented facts or shut up.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-14-2020, 9:09 AM Reply   
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Can you tell me what Joe did in 50 years? I am sure he has all sorts of things he can point to? How about that crime bill that is jailing minorities at high rates for longer times. is he proud of that?
Is that what Trump means when he tweets LAW AND ORDER!

Seems like Joe IS the law and order candidate.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-14-2020, 9:29 AM Reply   
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Do you really think people make a billion dollars a year?
Did I say they did? A person doesn't need to make $1B in a year to be a billionaire, last I checked?

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You and your democrat buddies try and convince the public they do. Those billions are in stocks that you and every other person with a 401k needs to retire on.
No that's trillions. (That is a bigger number.) The S&P alone is "worth" $23T on any given day.

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At the same time, it would be interesting to see if all these so called billionaires tried to cash in all at once, would they rely be billionaires? I bet that if you took all the valuations of all the companies in the world, their valuations would add up to more money than exists and at the least adds up to more money that would actually be there to buy their "billions" in assets.
Sure, if everyone sells at once the market falls. The stock market rises and falls just like the housing market. Shoot inflation can chip away at the relative value of a dollar too. What's your point?

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If you want real reform. quit giving credit cards to everyone with a pulse so prices come down and quit giving stock options.
Those would be great ways to effectively blow up our consumer driven economy (but it would effectively take money (that someone else borrowed to spend) out of the hands of billionaires). I thought conservatives wanted to let grown ups make their own choices?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 9:39 AM Reply   
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Is that what Trump means when he tweets LAW AND ORDER!

Seems like Joe IS the law and order candidate.
Yes, LAW and ORDER!! Like when the grifter said obama was worse than watergate because unmasking. The results will come out, obama will be jailed, there has to be accountability!!!
Greatest crime in history!!
Another lie. Not even a report.
https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/repu...tors-findings/

When do you guys just say F-it, dude just keeps lying to us?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-14-2020, 9:54 AM Reply   
Here is a good read.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...eration-behind
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 10:20 AM Reply   
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At least as much as you assisted Indy to their 3rd place AFC South division title. Good luck with the San Diego has been.
WE, the people who make the rules and play by them.

Yes, WE helped put all those people to work too, thanks for the reminder. See how making a plan, sticking to it helps all?

SoCL, basement? less than 9% of our homes have basements.
I don't say we and I certainly don't use the possessive pronoun when describing the actions taken by the NFL.

you did not help put those people back to work. You took advantage of them having to put their lives on the line as you call it so some spoiled entitle (can I say that with black people in the mix?) athletes making millions can stay holed up to make millions more. All those people had to go back to work to do all that for them. Point is, if society does what the NBA did, the world would devolve into chaos within days.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 10:31 AM Reply   
[QUOTE=shawndoggy;2002905[QUOTE]Did I say they did? A person doesn't need to make $1B in a year to be a billionaire, last I checked?


Well, your democrat buddies try and convince people that they are actually make that kind of money. We all know you can not tax billionaires because there is not a billion to be taxed of income, yet every election you democrats and even you in this thread are talking of taxing billionaires.


No that's trillions. (That is a bigger number.) The S&P alone is "worth" $23T on any given day.


I don't doubt it. Do how can you have valuations that a worth way more than the actual money printed and in circulation in the entire world? Talk about a sham and shell game.

"It's a number called M0, which is essentially the number of notes and coins in circulation," Kirkegaard said. "For the United States, that number on the Federal Reserve website is somewhere in the vicinity of $1.5 trillion."

Kirkegaard said that a comparable tally of currency in circulation from all over the world, tracked by the Bank for International Settlements, totals about $5 trillion.

https://www.businessinsider.com/here...-world-2017-10

Sure, if everyone sells at once the market falls. The stock market rises and falls just like the housing market. Shoot inflation can chip away at the relative value of a dollar too. What's your point?

It is all fake money. Hell we are in agreement on the gold standard being stupid, however the part we do agree on, money, is not even enough to cover the valuations. it is all fake.



Those would be great ways to effectively blow up our consumer driven economy (but it would effectively take money (that someone else borrowed to spend) out of the hands of billionaires). I thought conservatives wanted to let grown ups make their own choices?

Actually it would have been a great way to not have inflated everything and keep prices in reach for the poor and the rich alike. You guys want to tax everyone to death to try and create this but taxes only kill businesses. Well in case of the democrats, it is two fold because you want international bodies to directly tax the American public to spread the wealth. Up until the 90's, you actually had to show income and a payment history to even get a modest credit card. Now they are like being on Oprah. Everyone gets a card. More money in the system the more people raise prices to capture it. Look at kalifornia regulations galore and free credit everywhere. nothing is affordable and people are living under the highways by the thousands.

It is not about removing choice. It is about keeping the playing field in check. Clinton wanted this free money if everyones pocket thing. that is what happened to housing and collapsed. they did nothing to the credit cards and other loans. If the playing field is in check, then everyone still has a choice.

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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-14-2020, 10:37 AM Reply   
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Yes, LAW and ORDER!! Like when the grifter said obama was worse than watergate because unmasking. The results will come out, obama will be jailed, there has to be accountability!!!
Greatest crime in history!!
Another lie. Not even a report.
https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/repu...tors-findings/

When do you guys just say F-it, dude just keeps lying to us?
Funny. Old Joe just got outed by his sons computer. Turns out he did know and helped with the Ukraine business dealings. Rut Row. Thought Joe did not know anything?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-14-2020, 11:32 AM Reply   
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It is all fake money. Hell we are in agreement on the gold standard being stupid, however the part we do agree on, money, is not even enough to cover the valuations. it is all fake.
The greatest invention of humanity is our ability to tell ourselves a story and then agree to believe it. Religion, money, laws, ALL fake. And yet fantastic for organizing and ordering societies.

You just totally made the case for modern monetary theory... of course the fed can print more money, because the value of the printed money going into the larger economy is just a tiny drop in the bucket.

But back to billionaires, there are way more potential tools in the taxing toolbox than an income tax.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-14-2020, 12:31 PM Reply   
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Funny. Old Joe just got outed by his sons computer. Turns out he did know and helped with the Ukraine business dealings. Rut Row. Thought Joe did not know anything?
no, no way, really, I though all people, with not skills in energy, or business, or just about anything, gets a 180k a month, a few million from Russia, lol Russia, not like a few million from Texas XYZ company, lol Russia and Ukraine so redic. how stupid people must be to think he was clean of any corruption.

I think i will fire my Financial advisor, and pay the guy who cuts my grass to manage my portfolio. He has not experience, no clue. no idea what that entails, but why not, right? Fools
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-15-2020, 3:46 AM Reply   
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Trump is disintegrating any chance he had by the latest maskless MAGA rallies. Day after day more positive tests in the wake of his campaign. The superspreader in chief is toast. He'll lose in a landslide and take the senate with him. The only question is how far, how low the MAGA crowd will go following the grifter.
I have to agree, Trump is on his get your Corona Virus here Farewell Tour, going down like a rocket! And his October surprise, I Got Corona! If you want four more years like the last year, vote for Trump.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-15-2020, 4:01 AM Reply   
...and here’s what to expect if Dementia Joe gets in and packs the court.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cou...merica-reality
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-15-2020, 4:11 AM Reply   
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What does taxes of certain groups have to do with you or me? Is there an island you need to buy to make your life complete? Are you not able to capture money to run your life? Is the government running? Only thing tax structure does is influence where the money flows. You want it to flow in our economy or someone elses economy? If you want to have it flow to somewhere else then keep on voting democrat. Those "green" treaties are only share the wealth communist wish list ideas. They allow the other countries to set up court in our country while only answering to their countries. They can sue our businesses and take direct taxes from you and me. Makes it it easy for the billionaires to move off shore and still make their money off of us.
Taxes of certain groups have everything to do with it. I have never been in the richest category for taxation, but have always paid 25% Never bothered me because the working stiffs making tens of thousands more than me were paying 35% on all their income above what I was making. So, my question is for the "working class" making over 200k- 400k, How do you feel about paying 35% on all your income when the people making millions each year pay the same or less than you do?
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-15-2020, 4:20 AM Reply   
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...and here’s what to expect if Dementia Joe gets in and packs the court.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cou...merica-reality
More Fox drivel, in the late 1800's there were 9 justices on the bench, the US population is more than 5 times the population it was back then, maybe it's time to have the SCOTUS represent the population of the USA.

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Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       10-15-2020, 5:09 AM Reply   
Yes, we need an open boarder or decriminalized entry, in addition reparations and a Packing of the Supreme Court.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       10-15-2020, 5:12 AM Reply   
I'm attepting to be facetious.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-15-2020, 5:39 AM Reply   
facebook and twitter blocking news from the new york post....

but the corruption and election interference is from the right

BS
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-15-2020, 6:08 AM Reply   
Post, Enquirer, Breitbart, FOX same difference. Facebook and Twitter didnt ban this news. White house pushing for Herd Immunity. Why the Covid Rallies? thats why.
https://truthout.org/articles/white-...herd-immunity/

I keep looking, cant find Hunter Biden running for anything.
And yes, almost all the election corruption is from the right.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-15-2020, 6:22 AM Reply   
we will never agree. that's okay
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-15-2020, 6:32 AM Reply   
Anyone that believes in capitalism should know they can start their own social media service and have complete control over the content posted on their web site.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-15-2020, 6:37 AM Reply   
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we will never agree. that's okay
I dont know about "never", i am more optimistic. You and I have seen dozens of these conspiracy theories from the trump regime. Hillary Clinton, Obama, Hunter Biden, Brennan, Comey, Storzk, ....all of them. How many of these are in jail? How many have been indicted? How many investigations end with anything other than a Hannity monologue? Every one of them proven false in each investigation by trumps DOJ. You have a chronic liar saying things with zero evidence and some folks continue to believe. Ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf? Eventually rational people figure it out. I believe i stand on level ground, with footing. Really, we only need to agree to election results and move forward.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-15-2020, 7:28 AM Reply   
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Anyone that believes in capitalism should know they can start their own social media service and have complete control over the content posted on their web site.
Correct. And only idiots believe crap they read on those sites.

But rest assured if the rolls were reversed the left would be up in arms and canceling them.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-15-2020, 7:51 AM Reply   
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Correct. And only idiots believe crap they read on those sites.

But rest assured if the rolls were reversed the left would be up in arms and canceling them.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ccounts-report

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twit...term-elections

Agree, who ever gets bumped, gets mad.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-15-2020, 8:10 AM Reply   
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More Fox drivel, in the late 1800's there were 9 justices on the bench, the US population is more than 5 times the population it was back then, maybe it's time to have the SCOTUS represent the population of the USA.
LOL! What kind of idiocy is that??? Man, Iíve really been trying to avoid insulting people, but you are a friggin MORON! Go hit yourself in the head with a hammer. The population has zero to do with the SCOTUS. Do you think they can handle more cases or something if they had more justices? Lol This may qualify as the dumbest thing ever written on this thread and there have been some doozies. I gotta say this thread can deliver sometimes.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       10-15-2020, 8:19 AM Reply   
Interestingly enough, this "Court Packing" of the Supreme Court goes all the way to FDR. It didn't work for him but over time the court somewhat "packed" itself. https://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-righ...eme-court.html
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-15-2020, 8:25 AM Reply   
Iím willing to bet this photo depicts the Joeshmoe household very well.
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But rest assured if the rolls were reversed the left would be up in arms and canceling them.
That would be the correct response to any social media platform or business that you think is not run well, biased, unfair, goes against your moral beliefs, etc. So the left would take the boycott approach and the right wants the govt to dictate to private business how it is run is basically what I'm getting from this.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-15-2020, 8:56 AM Reply   
It's kind of curious how no one is talking about the fact that Trump is promising to lower taxes again although deficits were heading back towards record levels even before the covid stimulus.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-15-2020, 9:06 AM Reply   
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It's kind of curious how no one is talking about the fact that Trump is promising to lower taxes again although deficits were heading back towards record levels even before the covid stimulus.
Everyone knows that the best way to cut deficits and increase tax collections is to cut taxes and spend more. Worked for Reagan, worked for GWB, worked for DJT.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-15-2020, 9:58 AM Reply   
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Everyone knows that the best way to win elections is to cut taxes and spend more. Worked for Reagan, worked for GWB, worked for DJT.
fixed it for ya.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-15-2020, 9:59 AM Reply   
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That would be the correct response to any social media platform or business that you think is not run well, biased, unfair, goes against your moral beliefs, etc. So the left would take the boycott approach and the right wants the govt to dictate to private business how it is run is basically what I'm getting from this.
I think what I find the most hilarious is the people bitching about FB being biased ON FB....
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-15-2020, 10:30 AM Reply   
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Iím willing to bet this photo depicts the Joeshmoe household very well.
That kid looks like me!
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-15-2020, 10:44 AM Reply   
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Everyone knows that the best way to cut deficits and increase tax collections is to cut taxes and spend more. Worked for Reagan, worked for GWB, worked for DJT.
Did you see a rightwing think tank evaluated Joe's tax plan? Increased tax to the top 5%, decreased tax to the bottom 95%, $3T more tax collected, economically neutral directly, and economically simulative indirectly. Not bad.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-15-2020, 11:25 AM Reply   
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That kid looks like me!
Uh Oh! The guy in the pic looks nothing like me, but it is a split image of my brother!
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-15-2020, 11:43 AM Reply   
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Interestingly enough, this "Court Packing" of the Supreme Court goes all the way to FDR. It didn't work for him but over time the court somewhat "packed" itself. https://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-righ...eme-court.html
I am sure FDR ended up packing the court anyway with 4 terms as president, but that was when the Senate needed 60 or more votes in the Senate to get a judge selected, now thanks to the republicans, we only need 50, which makes it more political. Nobody would even notice if we had 11 judges on the SCOTUS, close decisions would just become 6-5 instead of 5-4
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-15-2020, 2:38 PM Reply   
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I am sure FDR ended up packing the court anyway with 4 terms as president, but that was when the Senate needed 60 or more votes in the Senate to get a judge selected, now thanks to the republicans, we only need 50, which makes it more political. Nobody would even notice if we had 11 judges on the SCOTUS, close decisions would just become 6-5 instead of 5-4
Then lower the number to 5. dont add additional. and value the judges as non partisan appointed judges. But we know thats not possible. so is you get your 11. next time, there will be 13, then 15 etc just the facts.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       10-15-2020, 2:48 PM Reply   
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Then lower the number to 5. dont add additional. and value the judges as non partisan appointed judges. But we know thats not possible. so is you get your 11. next time, there will be 13, then 15 etc just the facts.
This assumes there will be another republican president.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-15-2020, 3:06 PM Reply   
if the dems and even Ginsburg wanted to keep another appointment from a potential republican President, perhaps she should have retired at the end of Obama's last term
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       10-15-2020, 3:17 PM Reply   
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if the dems and even Ginsburg wanted to keep another appointment from a potential republican President, perhaps she should have retired at the end of Obama's last term
End of last term? Scalia died 11 months before the end of his last term and the repubes in the senate refused to have a hearing on Garland lol.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-15-2020, 3:19 PM Reply   
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This assumes there will be another republican president.
The left has become so left, even the middle, once the left, are now being pushed so far left, they cant stand it. At some point, there will be a revival, and people will move farther right, its a fact, that when faced with uncomfortable situations, after the social BS slows, people all move away from the sand paper affect slowly scratching at the skin of all voters. No one wants to be controlled. Covid will end up pushing people farther right. IF this go's on for another year. you will see people revolt. they already are, and if Joe is pres, he will be pressured to make shut downs the law. destroying the poor and the working class. Its happening now.

So while we talk about court appointments people want fair judgment. but at what cost. People are willing to give up their lives to flee other countries for freedoms we are blessed, have fought for, and won. As soon as the court becomes the political controlling body, you will see war. ITs already closer than ever, and the left keeps pushing people over the edge. There is less freedom of speech than ever before. Cancel culture is the enemy of the people.

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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       10-15-2020, 3:35 PM Reply   
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The left has become so left, even the middle, once the left, are now being pushed so far left, they cant stand it. At some point, there will be a revival, and people will move farther right, its a fact, that when faced with uncomfortable situations, after the social BS slows, people all move away from the sand paper affect slowly scratching at the skin of all voters. No one wants to be controlled. Covid will end up pushing people farther right. IF this go's on for another year. you will see people revolt. they already are, and if Joe is pres, he will be pressured to make shut downs the law. destroying the poor and the working class. Its happening now.

So while we talk about court appointments people want fair judgment. but at what cost. People are willing to give up their lives to flee other countries for freedoms we are blessed, have fought for, and won. As soon as the court becomes the political controlling body, you will see war. ITs already closer than ever, and the left keeps pushing people over the edge. There is less freedom of speech than ever before. Cancel culture is the enemy of the people.
Sure, parties shift - they have to. But your read on the dems moving left is backward. And you have to look at simple demographics. Repubes have fought it successfully with gerrymandering and voter suppression, but those efforts can only hold it off for so long. Major change has to come to the repube party before it will have a chance at the electoral college once a couple of key states flip blue. Your 2nd paragraph is simply white people wanting to perpetuate minority rule through any means necessary. You can see it in the posts on this board from mark, rod and others - trumpism has exposed their hollow morality for the nihilism that actually underlies it.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       10-15-2020, 3:42 PM Reply   
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Funny. Old Joe just got outed by his sons computer. Turns out he did know and helped with the Ukraine business dealings. Rut Row. Thought Joe did not know anything?
You are actively participating in Russian propaganda and disinformation efforts. You are "dangerous" and "evil"
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-i...rce=reddit.com
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-15-2020, 4:03 PM Reply   
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The left has become so left, even the middle, once the left, are now being pushed so far left, they cant stand it.
What policies of the dems are super left?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       10-15-2020, 4:14 PM Reply   
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What policies of the dems are super left?
You just wait and see boy, some day thereís gonna be some! SOCIALISM!!!!!
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-15-2020, 5:50 PM Reply   
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End of last term? Scalia died 11 months before the end of his last term and the repubes in the senate refused to have a hearing on Garland lol.
Like I said a few weeks ago, Obama had RBG to the WH for ďlunchĒ and tried to talk her into retiring before his term was up. She wouldnít have it and selfishly stayed put. RBG is 100% responsible for the soon-to-be super majority of justices who follow the constitution.
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What policies of the dems are super left?
Thankfully, they donít have any real power so weíre not subject to any policies yet, but if they do get power, dems have already shown us what they want. Green new deal, higher taxes, more regulation across the board, reparations, more illegal immigration including free healthcare for illegals, handing over our wealth to the world etc etc etc.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-15-2020, 6:08 PM Reply   
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Sure, parties shift - they have to. But your read on the dems moving left is backward. And you have to look at simple demographics. Repubes have fought it successfully with gerrymandering and voter suppression, but those efforts can only hold it off for so long. Major change has to come to the repube party before it will have a chance at the electoral college once a couple of key states flip blue. Your 2nd paragraph is simply white people wanting to perpetuate minority rule through any means necessary. You can see it in the posts on this board from mark, rod and others - trumpism has exposed their hollow morality for the nihilism that actually underlies it.
This must be Opposite Day. Otherwise, you need to put down the crack pipe.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-15-2020, 6:40 PM Reply   
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Thankfully, they don’t have any real power so we’re not subject to any policies yet, but if they do get power, dems have already shown us what they want. Green new deal, higher taxes, more regulation across the board, reparations, more illegal immigration including free healthcare for illegals, handing over our wealth to the world etc etc etc.
Biden doesn't support green new deal unfortunately
Higher taxes if you earn over 400k, lower of you earn under
More regulations curbing industrial pollution
Path way for immigrants meaning they are not illegal
Better healthcare for everyone.

Sounds like a good thing not a bad thing.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-16-2020, 12:48 AM Reply   
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handing over our wealth to the world etc etc etc.
I'm curious who you think we are borrowing from when we run a $3T deficit?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-16-2020, 2:28 AM Reply   
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Biden doesn't support green new deal unfortunately
Higher taxes if you earn over 400k, lower of you earn under
More regulations curbing industrial pollution
Path way for immigrants meaning they are not illegal
Better healthcare for everyone.

Sounds like a good thing not a bad thing.
Ralph, you have no clue what you are talking about, as you dont live here. ITs not that simple. people do not flood NZ to escape oppression of political hell. they come here. All those things sound great, but never come to true. The end is more illegal immigrants. higher drug traffic, more crime, higher healthcare costs, higher taxes, and more government control.

There is a reason we want state law, an keep the feds out of our lives. Once you give up you freedom, you give up your control.

I dont want free healthcare. I want quality healthcare, that I control! my canadian friends all say it, their healthcare sucks. and people wait months to get help

I dont want higher taxes and free ****. I want to put my money in the places I want and control my fait. not the fed

I want the rest of the world to do their part, and stop taking advantage of our country, but that requires rules that are fair, and the rest of the world. wants our business model to follow their ideals. but they dont even want to follow their ideals. Total BS.

If its so amazing in the rest of the world. then why dont people stay there? Because its not, and their systems dont work. or people would not flee them.

china dumps pollution at a rate higher than any other country in the world. no one says a word? Stupid, until we have control of our own country, and make it stable and viable, why are we continually allowing other countries to take advantage, Its simple. political greed, Just like Biden greasing the wheels for his son. He only cares about his money, why should we be the victims of the system. Its garbage
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-16-2020, 2:32 AM Reply   
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Then lower the number to 5. dont add additional. and value the judges as non partisan appointed judges. But we know thats not possible. so is you get your 11. next time, there will be 13, then 15 etc just the facts.
I said the population today is at least 5 times the population of the late 1800's, not five times less. When you move to making it 11, put it in the law that it cannot be changed for another 150 years. No big deal.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-16-2020, 2:37 AM Reply   
We can have a public healthcare system, its simple. Have a separate program, with doctors wiling to work for scraps. Doctors make pennies in other countries. Thats why they all come here to work. fact! trying to get people to do something for nothing does not work. Fact! My friend has a step daughter, She was in a car accident at 14. Her arm was destroyed, they wanted to remove her arm. We gave him a territory in USA, put the family on BCBS, has 7 surgery's over multiple years to save her arm. So dont act as if its all rainbows and fussy bunnies. Its not. Not saying the people are bad but when the government makes the rules. they set the decision making, and that can be scary. I have others. very sad stores of the Canadian health system. there is a reason we want control.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-16-2020, 3:28 AM Reply   
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I think what I find the most hilarious is the people bitching about FB being biased ON FB....
It's all over my FB feed too. LOL!
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-16-2020, 3:36 AM Reply   
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We can have a public healthcare system, its simple. Have a separate program, with doctors wiling to work for scraps.
Are you planing to get rid of the IRS rules that divert tax dollars to HI? Because if you don't it's still socialism. I'm curious how the HC system is going to not have to work for scraps once you convert to an entirely free market system (free of govt subsidies) for those who want private insurance.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-16-2020, 3:52 AM Reply   
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Are you planing to get rid of the IRS rules that divert tax dollars to HI? Because if you don't it's still socialism. I'm curious how the HC system is going to not have to work for scraps once you convert to an entirely free market system (free of govt subsidies) for those who want private insurance.
we have socialized medicine for all under the age of 18, in welfare, its bad, very bad, and very sad. so we should have it be for everything? we pay for all systems, the gov pays for nothing. you want the same system we have now, it will cost trillions. or we tell doctos to work for 100k a year. see how it flys. Total joke, you know it. I know it and so does the rest of the world. go to India, take a look. go to most of the world, its bad. and Europe struggles to manage theirs, and its not good. Its average at best. when you have no population, it looks so much better from 40,000 ft until you dig down and see how bad it is.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-16-2020, 4:06 AM Reply   
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we have socialized medicine for all under the age of 18, in welfare, its bad, very bad, and very sad. so we should have it be for everything? we pay for all systems, the gov pays for nothing. you want the same system we have now, it will cost trillions. or we tell doctos to work for 100k a year. see how it flys. Total joke, you know it. I know it and so does the rest of the world. go to India, take a look. go to most of the world, its bad. and Europe struggles to manage theirs, and its not good. Its average at best. when you have no population, it looks so much better from 40,000 ft until you dig down and see how bad it is.
We have socialized police and everybody loves 'em.

We have socialized education here and for the most part people are happy with it.

We have socialized fire departments and that seems OK.

We have a socialized military and it works.

We have socialized border patrol too.

Where the high paid docs in the USA gonna go if we socialize medicine too? Mexico? Canada? India? Jamaica?
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       10-16-2020, 4:14 AM Reply   
If you want complete socialized med, you need a separate group of doctors, just like now, with the VA, the medicare and medicaid issues. Wellfare. Welfare does not pay, because the people do not pay, and the government has to compensate the system. So they get sub par care or limited care, unless under 18. then they get total care, at no cost. WE pay for the children, we pay for the entire system. Have a 2 phase option. not mandated not covered by the providers under independent care. So if you want

1. Government cheese you get government cheese. hotdogs not ribeyes and thats what you get with basic care in a lot of healthcare systems. unless under 18
2. if you want quality providers, you have to pay high wages, its so bad now, that people are not going into medicine. only getting worse. Wait until there is no doctors, just nurses with a certificate. its almost that way now
3. Let people decide if they want it, less children under 18. Obama care failed, because the mandate, the cost, the fact of care, and doctors are not working for the reinbursment they are wanting to pay, so the premiums are off the charts. fact!
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-16-2020, 4:15 AM Reply   
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If you want complete socialized med, you need a separate group of doctors, just like now, with the VA, the medicare and medicaid issues. Wellfare. Welfare does not pay, because the people do not pay, and the government has to compensate the system. So they get sub par care or limited care, unless under 18. then they get total care, at no cost. WE pay for the children, we pay for the entire system. Have a 2 phase option. not mandated not covered by the providers under independent care. So if you want

1. Government cheese you get government cheese. hotdogs not ribeyes and thats what you get with basic care in a lot of healthcare systems. unless under 18
2. if you want quality providers, you have to pay high wages, its so bad now, that people are not going into medicine. only getting worse. Wait until there is no doctors, just nurses with a certificate. its almost that way now
3. Let people decide if they want it, less children under 18. Obama care failed, because the mandate, the cost, the fact of care, and doctors are not working for the reinbursment they are wanting to pay, so the premiums are off the charts. fact!
Again -- why are you happy with the hot dog police and fire protection you get or our spam military?

Also, if obamacare failed, how can you explain the relatively flat enrollment, even after the mandate was repealed?


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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-16-2020, 4:25 AM Reply   
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we have socialized medicine for all under the age of 18, in welfare, its bad, very bad, and very sad. so we should have it be for everything?
Your lack of understanding my post indicates to me that you are not aware of the economics behind healthcare. Take away the IRS rules for the govt subsidizing HI with diverted tax money and you'll find out exactly how a real free capitalist market works. Employers will not buy HI for employees without those tax rules. People will have to make their own decision to buy with money that's in their own wallet. The consumer will control prices with the decision to not buy when it's too expensive. HC will look nothing like it does right now if the govt is not subsiding people who think they get no subsidy at all.

When the govt subsidizes people who have jobs good enough to enjoy the benefits of those tax rules, it inflates the costs. Those who got no benefit are subject to the inflation caused by those who got the benefit. The ACA was partly about compensating for that inflationary force of selective socialism. In addition, HI is socialized in the workplace. The fat diabetic in the next cubicle pays the same as the healthy guy under the socialized rules of the workplace. Once you have a free market, that goes away. So all those unhealthy right wingers screaming socialism will find out what a real free market is when they are denied insurance at any cost.
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