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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I need to see more of his stats.

new model 3 START at $38,000 base. Honda Accord LX with a 4 cyclinder and loaded otherwise is $24,000. I am sure that model 3 is over $40,000. That is almost BMW 3 series price.

Just read the article, it's all there, he includes purchase price and resale value, running costs service costs insurance. Bumper to bumper costs.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Can that Tesla make a 20 hour drive in one day? How do they do in a national park with no charge stations? Or during the simply 10 hour drive on the freeway to just get across the state of Kansas?

Actually a lot better than you would expect before owning one, all of your day to day charging is done at home or work, all long distance is done at the super charger network. You need about 30mins charging per 4 hrs of driving give or take. So not as good as petrol but not terrible, it's a good idea to stretch the legs every 4 hrs anyway. And it's important to remember for a large proportion of normal use you don't need to stop at all to refuel, it's done while your sleeping. I don't miss going to the gas station, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by ralph

Just read the article, it's all there, he includes purchase price and resale value, running costs service costs insurance. Bumper to bumper costs.

Actually a lot better than you would expect before owning one, all of your day to day charging is done at home or work, all long distance is done at the super charger network. You need about 30mins charging per 4 hrs of driving give or take. So not as good as petrol but not terrible, it's a good idea to stretch the legs every 4 hrs anyway. And it's important to remember for a large proportion of normal use you don't need to stop at all to refuel, it's done while your sleeping. I don't miss going to the gas station, that's for sure.

I think it has a great niche in California and in places that have exactly what you say. Shorter trips and charge at night for commuting 20,000 miles a year. have to see how long those batteries last though. How many years can these things last with that many charge cycles. Not apposed to the idea but having a car that I have to manage is not in the cards for me right now. If it were not for the magnetic charger next to my bed, my phone may never get charged. Interesting for the big city types where they are stacked on each other in condos and such. Always jockeying for a charge spot.

I wonder if the 4 hours of driving is 4 hours of driving at 70 mph on the freeway. At this point I would not categorize the car as a good road trip car. you can not even make it to LA from here. Could not make it across Kansas without stopping for 1.5 hours. that is a ton of time to stop. vast majority of America does not have super charger stations. That requires a crap load of electrical grid on highways now. That is a whole new ball of wax especially trying to get right of way rights to run all that electrical. If you think it is going to be solar panel charging. No driving at night.

It has it's place but I don't want to have to manage my car. It is a tool. I get in and I go. I stop for fuel once a week if I am commuting and it takes 5 minutes max.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I wonder if the 4 hours of driving is 4 hours of driving at 70 mph on the freeway. At this point I would not categorize the car as a good road trip car. you can not even make it to LA from here. Could not make it across Kansas without stopping for 1.5 hours. that is a ton of time to stop. vast majority of America does not have super charger stations. That requires a crap load of electrical grid on highways now. That is a whole new ball of wax especially trying to get right of way rights to run all that electrical. If you think it is going to be solar panel charging. No driving at night.

Depends on the model, the entry level 37k model 3 has 250 miles range, the 45k LR 350 miles. But it's getting better all the time. Last night they released a 520+ mile model s. Crazy expensive and fast tho.

The super charger network is pretty filled out already and more been added as more cars get sold. You can drive coast to coast no problem.

The progress tesla has made over the last 5 years is amazing, the next 5 years with other manufactures pushing them will be even futher.

Originally Posted by ralph

Depends on the model, the entry level 37k model 3 has 250 miles range, the 45k LR 350 miles. But it's getting better all the time. Last night they released a 520+ mile model s. Crazy expensive and fast tho.

The super charger network is pretty filled out already and more been added as more cars get sold. You can drive coast to coast no problem.

The progress tesla has made over the last 5 years is amazing, the next 5 years with other manufactures pushing them will be even futher.

I am sure they have made progress. I can see gas stations converting to some charge stations, however when i see gas stations they are usually full to a few of the 12 pumps being used all the time for a few minute fill up. now with the ability to charge at home that can be a game changer to a certain degree. I wonder if that will create a migration out of the cities? Still need a series upgrade to the electric grid. California still goes through brown outs in the summer. Never mind adding to the capacity. Maybe night time draw starts to resemble day time draw so there is no more of this peak power offset that you get with solar panels. basically all extra power goes into cars and you still have the problem with electric grid supply.

You also have massive natural gas usage especially in the colder areas. Those have to convert to electric which will add another massive drain. Going to have to go nuclear. Solar is not going to be enough.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

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You also have massive natural gas usage especially in the colder areas. Those have to convert to electric which will add another massive drain. Going to have to go nuclear. Solar is not going to be enough.

Nuclear is a great option, I'm a big fan.

Don’t worry. Joe has his vaccine plan in place all ready to go. 300 Americans will be vaccinated by fall. I need about 5 Aleve after listening to him try and explain that.



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Originally Posted by ralph

Just read the article, it's all there, he includes purchase price and resale value, running costs service costs insurance. Bumper to bumper costs.

Actually a lot better than you would expect before owning one, all of your day to day charging is done at home or work, all long distance is done at the super charger network. You need about 30mins charging per 4 hrs of driving give or take. So not as good as petrol but not terrible, it's a good idea to stretch the legs every 4 hrs anyway. And it's important to remember for a large proportion of normal use you don't need to stop at all to refuel, it's done while your sleeping. I don't miss going to the gas station, that's for sure.

I don't buy his numbers. There is a built in $20k different in price right off the bat. Not making that up with short trip drives. Just like a diesel truck. Does not start paying off until you get read high mileage or you are towing a lot to make up for the MPG. The inherent cost of the equipment keeps it from being cost competitive for some time. We still have not seen what the end of life looks like for these. Pure toxic waste.