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Old     (mrboston187)      Join Date: Jul 2008       09-22-2008, 1:45 PM Reply   
my friends and I are considering buying an older (like early 90's?) inboard boat, and making it into a wake machine. what I need to know is what boats of that era are best for doing this, cause i know you cant just throw 2000 lbs of ballast in any old boat and expect an aweosme wake. I would think any ski-specific boat is probly not gonna work too well but i could be wrong. Any input is appreciated.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       09-22-2008, 1:49 PM Reply   
good = nautique 2001's

good = old Hydrodyne legacy

good = old malibu sunsetters

bad = ps190/malibu skiier/ "Ski" nautiques
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-22-2008, 2:03 PM Reply   
Agree with Nick, in addition

good=Hydrodyne Grand Sport
Good=Supra Sunsports
Bad=Supra Comp
Bad=1990 and newer ski nautiques
Good=Sport Nautiques
Good(from what I have heard)=sanger DLX
Bad=Moomba Boomerang
Good=MC 205
Old     (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       09-22-2008, 2:43 PM Reply   
I've seen the wake from one of those old Hydrodyne's and I couldn't believe how nice it was. Same goes for the supra sunsport as well.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       09-22-2008, 2:50 PM Reply   
that what kinda boat we had before our 210 and seriously with only like 1500lbs it was AMAZING.

i loved that boat
Old     (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-22-2008, 3:38 PM Reply   
Check out either 1996 Ski challengers or 1997 wake challenger from bayliner. They are 22 foot v-drive boats that are easy to install ballast systems in. I picked mine up for 12K and installed perfect pass, tower, ballast, and it throws a great wakeboard wake!
Duffy
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-22-2008, 4:23 PM Reply   
It always amazed me that Bayliner put out those Challengers. Theres a guy on my dock who owns one. It needs some serious TLC but otherwise kicks up a great wake. The guy is your typical Bayliner owner, never covers it, never cleans it, never tightens bolts, etc. So it's slowly working it's way to a POS.
I know a guy down in Pasco who had one too. It had like 2500 lbs of ballast & 1200 hrs on it when he upgraded to an LSV.
Old     (kirk)      Join Date: May 2003       09-22-2008, 4:37 PM Reply   
Bill,
I always thought that if you could pick up a Challenger for a good price and put a wrap on it (to cover the Challenger graphics) you could have a pretty cheap boat with decent looks and a killer wake.
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-22-2008, 4:41 PM Reply   
Yep, the guy in Pasco had all the decals & logos stripped off it. You never would have guessed it was a Bayliner. He had even repainted the trailer so it was totally incognito.

I believe he told me he owned that boat almost 10 yrs & sold it for almost the same price he paid for it too.
Old     (loudsubz)      Join Date: Aug 2001       09-22-2008, 4:44 PM Reply   
any pics from these wake challengers?
Old     (puckinshat)      Join Date: Sep 2003       09-22-2008, 4:48 PM Reply   
I second the PS205, I have a 94 and with about 3k in ballast and an acme 12* prop, the thing is a beast. No need for PP if you have a decent driver. It is my first inboard boat, slapped a monster tower on it, new prop on ebay, she was set up for about $14k.
Old     (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-22-2008, 5:17 PM Reply   
Here is a picture of my ski challenger http://www.wakesiderides.com/rides/index.php?page=out&id=3138

I have since removed the graphics. It only has 130 hrs and really for the price is hard to beat. Not trying to argue about Perfect Pass, but it's the greatist dollar investment I've made, anyone can drive and it makes surfing way more fun. Super easy to install too!
Old     (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       09-22-2008, 5:59 PM Reply   
Duffy I love the skateboard in the wakeboard rack.
Old     (noel)      Join Date: Dec 2001       09-22-2008, 6:07 PM Reply   
I'll disagree with the "ski" Nautiques being bad. One of the best wakes I've ever seen was a 92 or 94 open bow Ski Nautique with a Fat Sac in the bow and another one on top of a Fat Seat where the back seat once was.
Old     (dhcomp)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-22-2008, 7:04 PM Reply   
the open bow ski nautique WAS a sport nautique.....
Old     (srh00z)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-22-2008, 7:21 PM Reply   
dhcomp, there was such a thing as a Ski Nautique Open Bow that I believe was a foot or two shorter than the Sport. The hull was different. I have seen them called SNOB in some threads if you want to do a search for them. I don't think they made many though.
I have been in and around older Sunsetters, 2001's and Sport Nautiques and they all make great wakes. I have always wanted to ride behind a Sunsport, but haven't had the chance.
Old     (srh00z)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-22-2008, 7:22 PM Reply   
Additionally, Maxum made a V-drive that was actually the same hull as the above mentioned Ski/Wake Challengers that Bayliner sold. Somebody had one on the board here.
Old     (misfits1981)      Join Date: Aug 2007       09-22-2008, 7:28 PM Reply   
I also would have to disagree with the Ski's being bad. I own a 1991 closed bow SN and it has a great wake. I put three sacs in it and love it.
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-22-2008, 8:31 PM Reply   
Speak of the devil. One in Spokane... although it looks like an inboard.

And 22' Challenger in Seattle.

Both seem a bit high priced considering the fact that their a 10 yr old Bayliner, it's fall, and the down economy.
Old     (jayc)      Join Date: Sep 2002       09-22-2008, 11:50 PM Reply   
I have the v drive maxum. Check my profile pic. Its the same as the bayliner version just a different colour and with a few more options.
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-23-2008, 12:05 AM Reply   
Man, that Maxum looks a lot like a Maristar. Who owned MC back then? Was it Brunswick/US Marine?
Old     (brit_rider)      Join Date: May 2004       09-23-2008, 5:38 AM Reply   
Bill - it was supposed to. Along with the Sea Ray Ski Ray these were the boats made by US marine that were supposed to break into the ski boat market.

Entry level - Bayliner Ski Challenger
Mid Level - Maxum Ski Max
Higher Level - Sea Ray Ski ray series (3 models to pick from, a small inboard, larger inboard and outboard)

Not that different to how MC is now trying to spread its wings into new types of boat (CSX series).
Old     (mrboston187)      Join Date: Jul 2008       09-23-2008, 10:10 AM Reply   
anyone ever heard of Aztec boats? a 2001 Aztec Coyote? yay or nay
Old     (srh00z)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-23-2008, 3:25 PM Reply   
I have heard of them, and I have heard they are a nay. You may turn up something on a search here, but seems like this was discussed a few times over the years and the general concensus was that you could do better for the money. I have no personal experience with the brand.
Old     (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-23-2008, 4:31 PM Reply   
how are the older supra saltare's? they are 23 foot and seems like they could put out a huge wake. the only downside i see is the 454 and gas would be a bitch, but it could definitely handle ballast easily.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       09-23-2008, 5:36 PM Reply   
nay on the coyote
yay on the Aztec Crow

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