VanillaGorilla, I don't remember Jodie Foster being locked away when John Hinkley Jr. was inspired by her to shoot Reagan.
If the next killer is inspired by the Cookie Monster will we bomb sesame street?
You know.... I don't know the answer to that question but if it were not for PC pressure, the San Bernardino wife would not have been able to get a visa and Mateen would have been detained.
All bad guys are just "misunderstood" individuals and if we can grow a federal government that's big enough and give enough money....all will be perfect. It's all really my fault. Those poor misunderstood individuals will be happy and we'll all get along if us dirty conservatives just go away....
You'll be a lucky guy if someone tries to take your life and a scum bag, gun toting conservative dick head like me with a valid CCP is around to save you.
Just to be CRYSTAL clear I'll take wake77's bet. If Trump wins, he's outta here. If Hillary the felon wins, I'll cancel my membership and never darken your doorstep again......
Vanilla, that's not what I'm saying at all... what I'm saying is that if the sole connection between this guy and ISIS is that he gave a shout out to ISIS on his 911 call, well, that's pretty shaky evidence and not much different from Hinkley's Jodie Foster shout out.
Now if it turns out that ISIS really did do something to plant this guy here, then that's a different story. But just being like "I identify with ISIS" and then going berzerk doesn't mean that ISIS had anything to do with it any more than the guy who shot up planned parenthood in CO and was "doing it for the babies" was a right to life plant.
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Shawn. I'm going out on a limb here but.... how many attacks have we had where the perpetrators were MUSLIM?
As far as mass shootings during the obama admin go, 4 for 16. A significant minority to be sure. But Gabby Giffords, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Roseburg and Charleston were all white guys.
1972.04.14USANew York, NY13Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19USABrooklyn, NY11Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01USABethesda, MD10An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18USAWashington, DC82Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19USAOakland, CA11Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29USABerkeley, CA10A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25USAOakland, CA10A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11USAOakland, CA10A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13USAOakland, CA10A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20USAOakland, CA10Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22USAOakland, CA20Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24USAOakland, CA10A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24USAOakland, CA41Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01USAOakland, CA11A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16USAIngleside, CA10A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09USAWashington, DC11Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22USABethesda, MD10A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31USASavou, IL20An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06USASt. Louis, MO10A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31USATuscon, AZ10A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05USANew York City, NY10An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25USALangley, VA23A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26USANew York, NY61040Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01USABrooklyn, NY10A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23USANew York, NY16A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03USALompoc, CA10A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17USAAtlanta, GA11A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11USANew York, NY2752251Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11USAWashington, DC18453Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11USAShanksville, PA400Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19USATuscon, AZ10A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27USADenton, TX10Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04USALos Angeles, CA20Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21USAAtlanta, GA10Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21USAMontgomery, AL11Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23USABaton Rouge, LA10A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02USAWheaton, MD10Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03USAMontgomery County, MD50Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09USAManassas, VA11A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11USAFredericksburg, VA10Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14USAArlington, VA10A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22USAAspen Hill, MD10A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06USAHouston, TX10After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15USAScottsville, NY12In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16USABaltimore, MD10A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25USADenver, CO15Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28USASeattle, WA15An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01USAIrving, TX20A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06USAJonesboro, GA10A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12USABuffalo, NY10The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12USAPhoenix, AZ20A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in
contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01USALittle Rock, AR11A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02USAGlendale, AZ11A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05USAFt. Hood, TX1331A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04USABinghamton, NY10A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14USAMarquette Park, IL52After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30USAWarren, MI10A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11USAWaltham, MA30Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15USAHouston, TX10A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12USAHouston, TX10A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07USABuena Vista, NJ20A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24USAAshtabula, OH10A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15USABoston, MA3264Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19USABoston, MA11Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04USARichmond, CA10A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06USAPort Bolivar, TX20A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27USASkyway, WA10A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01USASeattle, WA20Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25USAWest Orange, NJ10A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25USAMoore, OK11A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18USAMorganton, NC10A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16USAChattanooga, TN52A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02USASan Bernardino, CA1417A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13USAOrlando, FL4953An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
I'm fairly certain their is no "muslim" connection.......right?????
Just "gun" violence.
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C'mon man, (a) are we limiting this to Obama's reign of terror, or are we really going back to 1972? and (b) really, now Nation of Islam is the threat?
That's a silly list, be cause the counterfactual list would include stuff like Rodney King (4 Christian Cops Beat Down Unarmed Man for Being Black) etc. It just ends up getting ridiculous.
But I guess I get it. You find the mere existence of Islam to be a threat to you. Trump is your guy, for sure.
C'mon man, (a) are we limiting this to Obama's reign of terror, or are we really going back to 1972? and (b) really, now Nation of Islam is the threat?
That's a silly list, be cause the counterfactual list would include stuff like Rodney King (4 Christian Cops Beat Down Unarmed Man for Being Black) etc. It just ends up getting ridiculous.
But I guess I get it. You find the mere existence of Islam to be a threat to you. Trump is your guy, for sure.
No, I'm not supporting a religion that has no tolerance, that's Islam, not Christianity. I'm just a well armed, we'll trained patriot. Thank GOD for the second ammendment and our beautiful, wonderful FREE nation!
I guess my message is, "Don't give it away. There is a ton of blood that paid for your rights".
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You'll be a lucky guy if someone tries to take your life and a scum bag, gun toting conservative dick head like me with a valid CCP is around to save you.
Yes we agree. Very very lucky indeed. Infact, an enormous amount of luck will be required because the statistics show you are far more likely to shoot me by accident than save me during a terrorist event.
Yes we agree. Very very lucky indeed. Infact, an enormous amount of luck will be required because the statistics show you are far more likely to shoot me by accident than save me during a terrorist event.
Really? What's your source for the "statistics"? The last FBI data posted (2014) shows 277 justifiable homicides by civilians in that year alone. Also a note... almost double the homicide rate by blunt objects than all rifles. That includes those "horrible weapons of war, the AR15". Better put out a knife ban also, Sporks FTW!
I posted the link earlier. Sorry to shatter your dirty Harry fantasy wet dream. So from the earlier 100 or so "Muslim shootings" you posted, how many were overted by a handy conservative with fire arm? Zero.
I posted the link earlier. Sorry to shatter your dirty Harry fantasy wet dream. So from the earlier 100 or so "Muslim shootings" you posted, how many were overted by a handy conservative with fire arm? Zero.
To my knowledge there hasn't been any act of terrorism thwarted by a civilian with a gun to date. Where did the data you clamp come from then? I call BS.
No Dirty Harry fantasy here but if my home is broken into at night, my family will be protected by me. You can choose to dial 911 and wait. I can care less.
seems like you have lots of stuff to worry about Vanilla. Could you rank which is your biggest fear: Clinton, Nation of Islam, muslim natural born citizens, muslim foreign born citizens, muslim legal residents, foreign muslims, sharia law or midnight intruders?
I read a lot but post little compared to most here but...
1. Mark is right and wake77 is wrong.
2. It doesn't matter if this attack in Orlando was "coordinated" with ISIL or not, it was inspired by it. Good God, his father was in deep with the local mosque and he pledged his allegiance to ISIL.
3. The left will push this as far as they can to effect gun control even though the latest FBI data shows more people were killed with blunt objects than rifles by almost two fold.
4. New legislation is keeping the border protection agents from even asking questions about Sharia law to suspected terrorists.
5. Why the hell would you "bet" your freedom of speech in this forum based on a political outcome???
Wow, I knew you guys were off when I simply stated the fact that Obama's deficits were twice what Bush #2's wereally and you blindly argued that he had "reduced" the deficit. But wow... you flipped your wig.
Uh... Jeremy?... ^^^ahem... See line #1. Lol. I took a few days off from this thead because it was boring me. I think making bets to leave a forum are stupid. We actually need people like wake77 to remind us of how empty headed the left's arguments are so please stay, Jeremy. Even if Trump wins.
Hate to tell ya. But that's the same dumba$$ that can't tell the difference between debt and deficit no matter how many times people try to educate him.
Hate to tell ya. But that's the same dumba$$ that can't tell the difference between debt and deficit no matter how many times people try to educate him.
Name calling ain't helpin your cause. Even your counterparts know that and have stated that already.
Wake quitting W/W in exchange for me doing the same would be the equivalent of the Bowe Bergdahl exchange. 1 useless person in exchange for 5 high value people. Yes I bet you would like that Wake, that deal or bet makes perfict sence in your Libral line of thinking. And when I refer to you as useless, I'm talking about what you bring to the table here on W/W. Go back look at what you have Contributed here on W/W.
To my knowledge there hasn't been any act of terrorism thwarted by a civilian with a gun to date. Where did the data you clamp come from then? I call BS.
No Dirty Harry fantasy here but if my home is broken into at night, my family will be protected by me. You can choose to dial 911 and wait. I can care less.
Accident rate in 2014 0.18 per 100,000 = 1.8 per million ×320 = 576 people
So yes twice as many people killed by accident as killed justifiably and as you agree, zero of those justifiable deaths were thwarting terrorist events. So BS call unjustified. Repent.
Jokes aside, killing someone in your home even if they deserve it would be a horrible event which would effect you for the rest of your life. I think I would rather they take everything and i just claim insurance.
But going back Trump and gun control, 2 years ago he was pro gun control now he is supporting the NRA. Clearly he doesn't really care either way.
Accident rate in 2014 0.18 per 100,000 = 1.8 per million ×320 = 576 people
So yes twice as many people killed by accident as killed justifiably and as you agree, zero of those justifiable deaths were thwarting terrorist events. So BS call unjustified. Repent.
Jokes aside, killing someone in your home even if they deserve it would be a horrible event which would effect you for the rest of your life. I think I would rather they take everything and i just claim insurance.
But going back Trump and gun control, 2 years ago he was pro gun control now he is supporting the NRA. Clearly he doesn't really care either way.
Seriously? You are quoting all accidental shootings. Some idiot could drop a gun and shoot himself in the foot and it would count in your "statistics". Although I will say I would expect it from a gun hater like you.
You said, and I quote, "the statistics show you are far more likely to shoot me by accident than save me during a terrorist event". You haven't provided any data to support your claim.
If someone broke into my home I promise you, I won't lose a minute of sleep over protecting my family. You might, not me.
As far as Trump and gun control... I think it's pretty much the same way he is with most things... a crap shoot.
Hilary and Obama are both busting at the gut to make us unarmed citizens. They, like many people don't understand that our nation was founded by civilians that fought off a tyrannical government. This is why we are a free nation. This is also why there is a Second Amendment. If you don't want a gun, great, don't buy one. Don't try to take mine. Look how well it's working in Chicago. Very tough, strict gun laws there and the worst homicide rate in the entire US. Do you think the criminals who commit these murders purchased their weapons legally? By changing the laws to restrict gun ownership, you will only restrict law abiding citizens.
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Accident rate in 2014 0.18 per 100,000 = 1.8 per million ×320 = 576 people
So yes twice as many people killed by accident as killed justifiably and as you agree, zero of those justifiable deaths were thwarting terrorist events. So BS call unjustified. Repent.
Jokes aside, killing someone in your home even if they deserve it would be a horrible event which would effect you for the rest of your life. I think I would rather they take everything and i just claim insurance.
But going back Trump and gun control, 2 years ago he was pro gun control now he is supporting the NRA. Clearly he doesn't really care either way.
You said, and I quote, "the statistics show you are far more likely to shoot me by accident than save me during a terrorist event". You haven't provided any data to support your claim.
The stats show that 570 people per year were shot and killed by accident and we both agreed that 0 terrorists have been shot during terrorist event by civilians. Ever. Can't be a lot clearer than that.
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If someone broke into my home I promise you, I won't lose a minute of sleep over protecting my family. You might, not me.
That's sad. Many cops who are trained and desensitized by seeing horrible stuff all day every day need counseling after killing someone. If you don't, that says something about you, I would hope never to be so dead inside.
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As far as Trump and gun control... I think it's pretty much the same way he is with most things... a crap shoot.
Agree totally.
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Do you think the criminals who commit these murders purchased their weapons legally? By changing the laws to restrict gun ownership, you will only restrict law abiding citizens.
The weapons in most criminals hands we bought legally by civilians and have subsequently found there way into the black market.
My personal preference is for every time a weapon kills somebody the manufacturer should be sued. It has worked for cigarettes and the logic is just as tenuous IMO.
The stats show that 570 people per year were shot and killed by accident and we both agreed that 0 terrorists have been shot during terrorist event by civilians. Ever. Can't be a lot clearer than that.
That's sad. Many cops who are trained and desensitized by seeing horrible stuff all day every day need counseling after killing someone. If you don't, that says something about you, I would hope never to be so dead inside.
Agree totally.
The weapons in most criminals hands we bought legally by civilians and have subsequently found there way into the black market.
My personal preference is for every time a weapon kills somebody the manufacturer should be sued. It has worked for cigarettes and the logic is just as tenuous IMO.
You failed to show any statistics that back your specific claim. There is no data. You also state that fact.
As far as suing the gun manufacturer, that's already been tried in the San Bernardino attack. The guy that tried was ruled against and was made to pay all court costs resulting in he himself being bankrupted. Justice for a frivolous suit. How many people are killed by cars every year? Do you also want to sue GM for a hit and run?
If you don't like guns you could always consider moving somewhere "safe" where they are illegal to own like....um maybe Mexico?
That's sad. Many cops who are trained and desensitized by seeing horrible stuff all day every day need counseling after killing someone. If you don't, that says something about you, I would hope never to be so dead inside.
Never thought I'd be defending a post form the VaG. But I'm on his side with this one. I would have no problem shooting a home invader if I felt that self defense was necessary for myself or my family. I find that hard to characterize as dead inside. In fact I find it hard to believe that anyone would disagree with his statement.
Never thought I'd be defending a post form the VaG. But I'm on his side with this one. I would have no problem shooting a home invader if I felt that self defense was necessary for myself or my family. I find that hard to characterize as dead inside. In fact I find it hard to believe that anyone would disagree with his statement.
Oh, that's bad. I wouldn't have forced agreeing with vag on anyone. Please accept my apology.
Oh well, i am a bit of a sensitive sam when it comes to killing people i guess. Hopefully the situation never comes up for anyone here.
Wake quitting W/W in exchange for me doing the same would be the equivalent of the Bowe Bergdahl exchange. 1 useless person in exchange for 5 high value people. Yes I bet you would like that Wake, that deal or bet makes perfict sence in your Libral line of thinking. And when I refer to you as useless, I'm talking about what you bring to the table here on W/W. Go back look at what you have Contributed here on W/W.
Is this some sort of joke I am not getting? Do you honestly believe that any poster on WW comes here to read your gibberish? The only thing you have "contributed here on W/W" is enough misspellings to drive an elementary school teacher bat$hit". Trust me, no one will miss you when you are gone. Besides, the way you and markj have been fluffing up Trump's march to the WH, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
I read a lot but post little compared to most here but...
1. Mark is right and wake77 is wrong.
Is that all we get? I guess every one is supposed to take your word for it? No sort of elaboration or deeper explanation on how I am "wrong"? Oh that's right, it's because you are both in the "Blow Donald" camp and anyone opposed to him is "wrong".
Is that all we get? I guess every one is supposed to take your word for it? No sort of elaboration or deeper explanation on how I am "wrong"? Oh that's right, it's because you are both in the "Blow Donald" camp and anyone opposed to him is "wrong".
Hey Wake; let's do this! Let's start a new thread. We can call it Booot "wake" OR "G" or what ever you decide the title should be. We will do a poll ! Should I go or you go! Put up or shut up!
I will stand by what ever W/W decides.
[QUOTE=wake77;1938004]Is this some sort of joke I am not getting?
Oh, it's beyond that. You in fact, ARE the joke. Keep posting. I need to laugh more. We all do. Keep it up. We're all rooting for you! Try to dislodge your panties first though. That way, some humor might squeak out of you. C'mon, man! You need to lighten up as well. You're such an easy target because you make yourself one by only parroting the left's thoughts and party lines with a bunch of hate and vitriol. Maybe consider an unbiased news source or something? Your coconspirators (sarcasm) in this thread do that occasionally and it's somewhat refreshing or challenging enough to finish reading what they have to say. I don't know how else to advise you.....
Hey Wake; let's do this! Let's start a new thread. We can call it Booot "wake" OR "G" or what ever you decide the title should be. We will do a poll ! Should I go or you go! Put up or shut up!
I will stand by what ever W/W decides.
He would be clubbed like a baby fur seal in that contest. (I'm sure he doesn't even get the reference either). (kids these days)
Besides, the way you and markj have been fluffing up Trump's march to the WH, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
"Fluffing up Trump's march?" How? I tend to "fluff the bunny" a lot after a good meal, but that's pretty much it. I'm willing to bet that you "puff the magic dragon" a lot before you post on this thread.
[QUOTE=wake77;1938004]Is this some sort of joke I am not getting? Do you honestly believe that any poster on WW comes here to read your gibberish?
Just realized this: Um..... YOU YOURSELF have come on this thread to read the "gibberish" that G started! Hahaha! Open mouth... Insert foot... The hypocrisy is hilarious! Keep posting please! I love this guy!
Never thought I'd be defending a post form the VaG. But I'm on his side with this one. I would have no problem shooting a home invader if I felt that self defense was necessary for myself or my family. I find that hard to characterize as dead inside. In fact I find it hard to believe that anyone would disagree with his statement.
Lol, me either but thanks! Maybe it's just an "American" thing with that one.
You are a legend in your own mind. I bet you can kick anyone's ass and your dingy is 16 inches long (of course, we have to be sure not to ask your wife, she may tell the truth). I bet you are fun to hang with.
(I noticed neither you nor Grant will accept the bet I offered. If I'm so wrong and Trump is going to win, it should be a no-brainer for you two. Come on pussies.)
without getting into the "you quit/no you quit" pissing match, at this point does anyone think trump will actually win? For a second there I thought he had a good shot right after cruz dropped out, but he's pooped in the bed like 3 times since then. Right now he looks like he's in shambles.
Of corse TRUMP is not going to win. Stupid people out number smart people 10 to 1 no voter ID let illegals vote and promis all the Have NOTs what ever they think they deserve and you have the current voting pool.
Wake I still stand by my bet or Challange. You think your and your views and posts are so important let's find out!
I think it is interesting that a liberal tried to kill trump and no one has a word to say?
You have democrats going fascist at every trump rally. You have one who is by definition a illegal immigrant who drop across the country, rented a gun, and then tried to wrestle a cops gun out of his holster to kill Trump. When are you going to wake up.
The democrat party is turning into 1933 Germany. IT IS GOING TO GET UGLY. I bet a dollar that someone is going to finally go a retaliate if it gets any worse. It is not going to be pretty. Lord help us all if that happens because it is going to be a game changer.
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(shawndoggy)Join Date: Nov 2009
06-22-2016, 10:07 AM
Because democrats are the richest of the rich and poorest of the poor. I have been saying it for years.
I mean I guess you can say that for years but doesn't make it true. Go take a look at that survey I linked. Trump actually leads among voters making 50k or more.
So if "college grad" and "richest of the rich" were synonymous that would play perfectly for Trump because there are way more "poorest of the poor" than there are "richest of the rich."
What the survey really shows is that Trump's core support is among uneducated working class whites. He's soft with those making under $50k, he's soft with minorities, he's soft with college educated voters, and he's soft (but not quite as soft) with college educated whites.
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I think it is interesting that a liberal tried to kill trump and no one has a word to say?.
Guess that non-PC thing has consequences. Entirely predictable. Inflammatory speech brings out the fringe element without regard to the segment of society.
I think it is interesting that a liberal tried to kill trump and no one has a word to say?
You have democrats going fascist at every trump rally. You have one who is by definition a illegal immigrant who drop across the country, rented a gun, and then tried to wrestle a cops gun out of his holster to kill Trump. When are you going to wake up.
The democrat party is turning into 1933 Germany. IT IS GOING TO GET UGLY. I bet a dollar that someone is going to finally go a retaliate if it gets any worse. It is not going to be pretty. Lord help us all if that happens because it is going to be a game changer.
I've heard this a couple of times.... like it's a big secret.... but I heard about it from that liberal mainstream media outlet you love to hate, NPR, two days ago. http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482859...documents-show
I don't know what conservative media outlets are trying to spin the "nobody's talking about it" idea, but those of us who are on the mainstream media teat have indeed heard about this.
Wait the dems are the Nazi party? It is astounding the amount of correlations between some of the Nazi party ideas and Trumps and it's the left that you draw this conclusion for? Wow.
I mean I guess you can say that for years but doesn't make it true. Go take a look at that survey I linked. Trump actually leads among voters making 50k or more.
So if "college grad" and "richest of the rich" were synonymous that would play perfectly for Trump because there are way more "poorest of the poor" than there are "richest of the rich."
What the survey really shows is that Trump's core support is among uneducated working class whites. He's soft with those making under $50k, he's soft with minorities, he's soft with college educated voters, and he's soft (but not quite as soft) with college educated whites.
Look at the voting map of America. They major democrat voting areas are around the large cities. The republican areas are what is considered rural America.
You just posted that Clinton has a 27 point lead among college educated voters. Guess where most of those type go to for jobs? The city. There is a wage gap among college educated and non college educated. Besides I don't think most republicans answer those polls. I know I got called twice so far and I blew them off.
Republicans are always soft with minorities. Even though Republicans championed pretty much every major civil rights act in this countries history, they have not championed special rights and benefits. That was part LBJ's racist claim to keep blacks voting democrat for the next 200 years by pushing for special status and benefits.
He has support among working class whites? That is the middle class. That is exactly what I said.
Richest of the rich is the top 1% and to be honest most of the college educated is the top 12% easily.
Guess that non-PC thing has consequences. Entirely predictable. Inflammatory speech brings out the fringe element without regard to the segment of society.
Inflammatory speech like saying you are going to enforce our immigration laws? If that is inflammatory then count me in.
Wait the dems are the Nazi party? It is astounding the amount of correlations between some of the Nazi party ideas and Trumps and it's the left that you draw this conclusion for? Wow.
The SA in 1933 Germany would use suppression through violence. If you showed up to support your candidate, there would be a mob of brown shirts there to beat you up. How many times have Trump supporters been at a democrat rally trying to keep a democrat from speaking? Almost every time Trump speaks, the crowd is infiltrated by democrats who try and suppress his speech. Rush the stage. Beat up supporters who are trying to make it back to their cars to leave.
And now have tried to steal a cops gun to murder Trump.
Delta, if you're talking about the Civil Rights Act of 64 then you should go look at why the Republicans outvoted the dems on that bill. The dems created the bill and a dem president passed it, yet there is a very very specific reason why more Republicans voted for it than dems. Go read.
Also, if the democrats have control of the House, they are the only ones who can allow bills up for votes. That is the rules. Republicans would have no chance to get their version in for a vote.
The SA in 1933 Germany would use suppression through violence. If you showed up to support your candidate, there would be a mob of brown shirts there to beat you up. How many times have Trump supporters been at a democrat rally trying to keep a democrat from speaking? Almost every time Trump speaks, the crowd is infiltrated by democrats who try and suppress his speech. Rush the stage. Beat up supporters who are trying to make it back to their cars to leave.
And now have tried to steal a cops gun to murder Trump.
YOU TELL ME WHO IS ACTING LIKE WHO IN 1933!?
You realize the SA was one of the main reasons Hitler came to power and before 1933 it was the complete opposite of what you're talking about. The SA were the ones using violence to get Hitler's message out. Once Hitler rose to power and saw the SA as an opponent this switched around the time you're talking about. But for the love of god do some studying before you post stuff like that. The SA is the exact opposite of what you're talking about in this current state. They made it virtually impossible to speak against Hitler at a rally when he was rising to power.
Does this look like Trump with Dem supporters? LOL
I've heard this a couple of times.... like it's a big secret.... but I heard about it from that liberal mainstream media outlet you love to hate, NPR, two days ago. http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482859...documents-show
I don't know what conservative media outlets are trying to spin the "nobody's talking about it" idea, but those of us who are on the mainstream media teat have indeed heard about this.
Actually I saw it on facebook sources first a few days ago. Fox finally picked it up then I finally seen it on CNN as a side bar the day after Fox had it. Then I finally seen it in democraticundergound after that.
Trust me. No one is wanting to talk about it. Heck I brought it up here and it is barely getting any run.
This guy actually was caught at one of his rallies, inside the building, drove across the country, trained for it, and then tried to do it. Democrats and their supporters are coming unhinged.
You realize the SA was one of the main reasons Hitler came to power and before 1933 it was the complete opposite of what you're talking about. The SA were the ones using violence to get Hitler's message out. Once Hitler rose to power and saw the SA as an opponent this switched around the time you're talking about. But for the love of god do some studying before you post stuff like that. The SA is the exact opposite of what you're talking about in this current state. They made it virtually impossible to speak against Hitler at a rally when he was rising to power.
Does this look like Trump with Dem supporters? LOL
You basically just said everything I did. Did you just join this month to come up with that?
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The SA were the ones using violence to get Hitler's message out.
Hitler only "switched" because he did not need them anymore. He finally legitimized his standing in the elections. Much of that was his basis that the only reason the German economy was doing well was due to the US banks propping up the economy post WW1. After the US economy collapsed, the German people started to listen to Hitlers ideas and his party started to win seats in government.
His propaganda arm became less useful as they could easily turn on him. Thus the night of the long knives.
At the end of the day, you can try and argument 1933, 1934, 1944. The point of the whole discussion is what tactics are being used by who. I stand that democrats are trying to use violence to suppress support and quiet those with opposition voice. Care to address that? (and posting a picture of old white nazi's is not a counter argument)
No it's not. Again. Go read why this was the case on this bill. Almost every Dem that was against it had ties to the confederacy.
Uh..... Who do you think started the Klan? Of course they had ties to the confederacy.
And before you go to your next card that the parties switched, that is a lie too. The democrats continued to elect the same racists as they did before all the way up until the 2000's when they finally died.
PC: It's important for the security of the nation to enforce our immigration laws.
Non-PC: Mexico is sending rapists and murderers and I'm going to ban Muslims from coming in as well.
PC: It's important for the security of the nation to enforce our immigration laws.
Non-PC: Mexico is sending rapists and murderers and I'm going to ban Muslims from coming in as well.
Got ya. I guess you could say that in that context. Considering 1/3 of california prisons alone are filled with violent offenders that crossed the mexican boarder and there are hundreds of thousands of gang members that have come across the boarder of Mexico, I can get behind that point. That is also not the whole quote.
I would absolutely put a muslim ban in place until we figure out as to why we are putting a priority on bringing in muslims of fighting age from the 10 countries that have the death penalty for being gay.
I'm paraphrasing Trump. There are many things he says that are inflammatory. Like... "I think Islam hates us". And that the religion is partly defined by tremendous hatred.
It's not a issue of whether you believe it to be true or not. It's simply not appropriate for the leader of the US to use language like that. The violence that Trump is experiencing is a testament to that claim. And banning people entering the country based on their religion is against the law of the land.
I'm paraphrasing Trump. There are many things he says that are inflammatory. Like... "I think Islam hates us". And that the religion is partly defined by tremendous hatred.
It's not a issue of whether you believe it to be true or not. It's simply not appropriate for the leader of the US to use language like that. The violence that Trump is experiencing is a testament to that claim. And banning people entering the country based on their religion is against the law of the land.
I agree. He should choose his words better.
On the side of that, I find it a little disturbing that anyone can excuse people and their violence. That is like saying the girl should have known what she was wearing would get her jumped. Shining a light on the roaches is not the flashlight holders problem for the roaches.
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