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Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-26-2018, 8:57 AM Reply   
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Good to understand you don't believe in basic science. Hope you get cancer and try to pray it away.
This is Over the line (even for wakeworld standards) DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS OF YOUR OWN? What if they got cancer? My co-worker just found out his beautiful 16 year old daughter just got a Very rare form of cancer, this is the ultimate sucker punch in the gut! Hope you Don't have anyone in your family getting cancer.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-26-2018, 9:15 AM Reply   
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This is Over the line (even for wakeworld standards) DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS OF YOUR OWN? What if they got cancer? My co-worker just found out his beautiful 16 year old daughter just got a Very rare form of cancer, this is the ultimate sucker punch in the gut! Hope you Don't have anyone in your family getting cancer.
Plhorn is the angry community dip****, ignore him. Fools know not what they say or do.

On another note; Am I missing something in the news cycle? Early reports said only one bomb was hand delivered, this morning I read none of the bombs were sent through the email but they just caught guy & said he was sending them through the mail?????
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-26-2018, 9:38 AM Reply   
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No impeachment & you'll be dealing with him through 2024.
I'm pretty sure there will be an impeachment, I do not agree with it, because they know they will Not be able to remove him from office, so the only reason to impeach him is to make his life hell and improve network ratings, I certainly will be watching.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-26-2018, 10:11 AM Reply   
Looks like from the guy they arrested as the Mail Bomber fromnthe looks of His Van he is a crazy TRUMP nut bag. I was checking out stickers the guy had plasters all over the windows of his van he looks like a straight up nut bag,

On a side note: the stickers one has on their car can say a lot about you. (I have zero stickers for that reason) Personally I like people with stickers on their car, it tells you something about them so you know how to avoid the idiots. Example anyone with a Nautique decal on their car is Safe to drive behind.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-26-2018, 10:21 AM Reply   
Ill take a US doctor over a Serbian doctor any day of the week.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-26-2018, 10:25 AM Reply   
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If he had this much anger and vitriol against these people, you would think he would know how to spell their names. - James Fitzgerald, a retired FBI profiler and forensic linguist who, in 1996, helped catch "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski
You'd think he'd know what he was talking about, except we all know he's wrong.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-26-2018, 10:39 AM Reply   
I love how the media once again choses to portray a Cuban as a "white guy"
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-26-2018, 11:01 AM Reply   
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Promises? Like the BETTER healthcare he promised? The wall Mexico was going to pay for? The tax break for the rich? Denying climate change? Bringing back asbestos and eliminating pre-existing conditions for insurers? No, those things you may say or do to democrats does not upset me. Its when the POTUS does/says those things is where I find issue. His job is to unite people not divide the country. He is failing miserably.
He is not doing well in Florida, it appears his puppet Ron Desantis will be beat by Gillum for governor. A good friend of mine down here in Florida, who must watch Fox news, because he parrots all the Fear mongering that Fox spews out. He thinks the caravan in Mexico is the worst thing in the world and is going to destroy America! Really??? He said the Mexicans are busing the people in the caravan to the US border. Really??? Then, he says Gillum is going to implement a State tax for Florida??? I told him that is Not going to happen! My friend is brainwashed! I just cannot wait for these midterms to be Over.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-26-2018, 11:08 AM Reply   
So anyone want to go back on their false flag arguments...
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 12:03 PM Reply   
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Let's get back to this.
Let's say for a minute that you are right and all the scientist in the world are wrong. If we follow the scientist advice, it costs us some money in the short term, we get to breathe cleaner air, we develop new industries in electric vehicles and solar panels for no reason.

Now if all the scientist in the world are right and you are wrong and we do nothing. We are all F'd.

I say play the risk reward game and go with the scientist just in case.
You realize these so called scientist was quoted from an unscientific poll from the University of Illinois back in the 1980's right? Of course the weather is getting warmer. Look at the historical data. We are 4 degrees cooler than the historic turning point toward the following ice age.

Oh wow we drive almost daily on areas that were once sea beds. No kidding. Why was that? Because we were 4 degrees warmer. Man was never around. I wonder how that happened? We are also maybe 1000 time less in CO2 concentration from the ice cores. Man was not there. Wonder how that happened.

I am sure you know how to fix it. I am going to let 3rd world politicians and globalist local politicians tax you and me directly and ruin our economy to perform their share the wealth schemes.

Problem is you democrats are not smart enough to hear the dang worlds your politicians say. They tell you directly what they are doing to you and you can't figure it out.

They tell you:

- The top 1% have all the wealth and they are the problem in the world.
- We the democrat leaders are children of the world and not just the United States

Well, You as an America (even if you are poor) are in the top 1% in the world.
All the treaties that Democrats try and sign are share the wealth treaties
They told you with their own words that YOU the America citizen are the problems in the world with their own words and they are going to fix you. Keep voting for them.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 12:11 PM Reply   
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Factually not true. Warring Harding, George Bush Jr and Sr. (oilmen), Jimmy Carter...




Since he hasn't released his tax returns that is also factually false because other than his word, which is worth less than nothing, we have no idea what his wealth is.



Good to understand you don't believe in basic science. Hope you get cancer and try to pray it away.




Have you ever lived anywhere else than the US? The healthcare here BLOWS. I got pneumonia in France: Saw a Dr 15 minutes after I called him. He diagnosed me, gave me a prescription in 10 minutes. I walked to the pharmacy where I paid 5 dollars for 4 different meds and was on my way in less than 5 minutes. They apologized to me that normally the meds shouldn't cost that much.

here's the list of countries that are better than us in terms of just infant mortality:
SERBIA 5.80 2017 EST.
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA 5.50 2017 EST.
FAROE ISLANDS 5.40 2017 EST.
NEW CALEDONIA 5.20 2017 EST.
LATVIA 5.20 2017 EST.
SLOVAKIA 5.10 2017 EST.
HUNGARY 4.90 2017 EST.
FRENCH POLYNESIA 4.60 2017 EST.
GREECE 4.60 2017 EST.
CANADA 4.50 2017 EST.
CUBA 4.40 2017 EST.
POLAND 4.40 2017 EST.
NEW ZEALAND 4.40 2017 EST.
AUSTRALIA 4.30 2017 EST.
UNITED KINGDOM 4.30 2017 EST.
WALLIS AND FUTUNA 4.30 2017 EST.
TAIWAN 4.30 2017 EST.
SAN MARINO 4.30 2017 EST.
PORTUGAL 4.30 2017 EST.
LIECHTENSTEIN 4.20 2017 EST.
DENMARK 4.00 2017 EST.
EUROPEAN UNION 4.00 2016 EST.
ISLE OF MAN 4.00 2017 EST.
SLOVENIA 3.90 2017 EST.
JERSEY 3.80 2017 EST.
ESTONIA 3.80 2017 EST.
LITHUANIA 3.80 2017 EST.
IRELAND 3.60 2017 EST.
ANDORRA 3.60 2017 EST.
BELARUS 3.60 2017 EST.
NETHERLANDS 3.60 2017 EST.
SWITZERLAND 3.60 2017 EST.
MALTA 3.50 2017 EST.
ISRAEL 3.40 2017 EST.
GERMANY 3.40 2017 EST.
GUERNSEY 3.40 2017 EST.
BELGIUM 3.40 2017 EST.
AUSTRIA 3.40 2017 EST.
LUXEMBOURG 3.40 2017 EST.
ITALY 3.30 2017 EST.
ANGUILLA 3.30 2017 EST.
SPAIN 3.30 2017 EST.
FRANCE 3.20 2017 EST.
MACAU 3.10 2017 EST.
KOREA, SOUTH 3.00 2017 EST.
HONG KONG 2.70 2017 EST.
CZECHIA 2.60 2017 EST.
SWEDEN 2.60 2017 EST.
BERMUDA 2.50 2017 EST.
FINLAND 2.50 2017 EST.
NORWAY 2.50 2017 EST.
SINGAPORE 2.40 2017 EST.
ICELAND 2.10 2017 EST.
JAPAN 2.00 2017 EST.
MONACO 1.80 2017 EST.


But idiots like you keep saying "We're number 1!, we can't possibly improve the system"

Keep those blinders on.
Never needed insurance in Indiana and wife had many surgeries down at the county hoptial as a teen. Wife got sick on a trip back to Indiana. Seen by the doctor, got meds and cost less than 100 dollars at the emergency room. I got hurt once and taken to the ER there as a teen and it cost $45.

The beauty is, they did not tax my fellow citizen over 50% of their wages to pay for my and my wifes welfare. How much did your little trip to the doctor in France cost the French people of their day wages for you?

Mother did die of cancer thank you very much and she did pray. Not to have the cancer taken away, but for poor idiotic souls like yours.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 12:18 PM Reply   
Looks like your liberalism at work. Liberalism is not progressive. It is regressive:

Defaming Muhammad does not fall under purview of free speech, European court rules
https://www.foxnews.com/world/defami...an-court-rules

The court’s decision comes after it rejected an Austrian woman’s claim that her previous conviction for calling Muhammad a pedophile, due to his marriage to a 6-year-old girl, violated her freedom of speech.

The ECHR ruled Austrian courts had “carefully balanced her right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected.”
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 12:32 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by plhorn View Post
Let's get back to this.
Let's say for a minute that you are right and all the scientist in the world are wrong. If we follow the scientist advice, it costs us some money in the short term, we get to breathe cleaner air, we develop new industries in electric vehicles and solar panels for no reason.

Now if all the scientist in the world are right and you are wrong and we do nothing. We are all F'd.

I say play the risk reward game and go with the scientist just in case.
I can say the same thing about your soul.....
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-26-2018, 1:24 PM Reply   
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ric...verage-1185893
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#67cd6df950e8
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...itions-n923056
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/u...nditions-.html
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...thats-not-true
His own "Trumpcare website.
https://trumpcare.com/trumpcare-pre-existing-conditions
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ing-conditions
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/22/polit...ump/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/polit...aca/index.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b055bc94834521

What your conman and the rest of the GOP are saying is nothing like what they are doing. Watch what they do...not what they say. Lying at every rally he speaks at. 20 republican governers are suing to remove pre-existing conditions...yet they are lying to you in their campaign ads saying the exact opposite. The GOP have campaigned on killing Obamacare for the last 10 years, they voted 70 times to kill it (stopped the last time by mcCains thumbs down) but thats not what they say when they need your vote. Can you make a bigger lie to the American people? Is this what winning means?

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This is Over the line (even for wakeworld standards) DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS OF YOUR OWN? What if they got cancer? My co-worker just found out his beautiful 16 year old daughter just got a Very rare form of cancer, this is the ultimate sucker punch in the gut! Hope you Don't have anyone in your family getting cancer.
^^Why its important when your gov't lies to you.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 2:39 PM Reply   
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https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ric...verage-1185893
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#67cd6df950e8
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...itions-n923056
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/u...nditions-.html
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...thats-not-true
His own "Trumpcare website.
https://trumpcare.com/trumpcare-pre-existing-conditions
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ing-conditions
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/22/polit...ump/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/polit...aca/index.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b055bc94834521

What your conman and the rest of the GOP are saying is nothing like what they are doing. Watch what they do...not what they say. Lying at every rally he speaks at. 20 republican governers are suing to remove pre-existing conditions...yet they are lying to you in their campaign ads saying the exact opposite. The GOP have campaigned on killing Obamacare for the last 10 years, they voted 70 times to kill it (stopped the last time by mcCains thumbs down) but thats not what they say when they need your vote. Can you make a bigger lie to the American people? Is this what winning means?


^^Why its important when your gov't lies to you.
Funny. You certainly have all this time to listen to and read all the campaign fliers and rallyies. You must be godly in your ability to be omnipresent.

They absolutely should get rid of Obamacare. Never should have passed in the first place. Why is it a lie when Republican voters did not want it. If you are a democrat, you are not voting for the republican anyway so why does it matter to you or the rest of the democrats?

Obamacare only made prices go up. Money in the system makes it more expensive not cheaper. Obamacare only passed because they manipulated one person to go along with it. You had the idiot Pelosi saying "we have to pass it to see what's in it!".

Getting rid of precondition language from all insurance programs will increase costs for everyone. Insurance is not made to be used. You are after a service plan. Service plans are based on the more items you want to use, the more it costs. You can not have people who did not pay into the system all of a sudden getting sick then deciding to go down and pull a million dollars worth of treatment out of the pot.

Now, that is closer to an argument for a manditory payments, but making it to the insurance companies does not cheapen the costs. As soon as the medical professionals and hospitals realize there is more money to be captured, they will simply raise the costs. You can not force doctors and nurses to provide slave labor. They pay for their education and take the risks so they get to keep the spoils of the labor. They as good business people are going to raise their costs to cover any and all regulatory fees, insurance fees, lawyer fees, equipment costs, billing costs, accountants, their time, and so on. They are going to maximize profit until the can not longer extract cash out the system. That is the simple way it happens, so adding more money to be pulled out of insurance companies is not make it cheaper for us. You are simply feeding a system. It is all other peoples money.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       10-26-2018, 3:02 PM Reply   
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^^Why its important when your gov't lies to you.

Uh, he said he hope I got cancer. Again this is why you democrats are unhinged.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-26-2018, 3:17 PM Reply   
Well Delta, Turns out healthcare is quite important to most Americans. The repubs are just catching on to this and they are caught with the hot potato at election time. So they choose to lie.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/214049/...t-problem.aspx
The basics of Obamacare was to stop insurance companies from denying coverage of pre-existing conditions plus the expansion of Medicaid.

What is funny, to me anyway is that your president and his GOP allies are saying into the microphone that they are protecting those with pre-existing conditions at the same time they are actively trying to eliminate that for the insurance companies. How low can you go.
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They absolutely should get rid of Obamacare.
You tell that to the 16year old girl with cancer, tough guy.
You talk like you have someone else paying for your insurance. right?
BTW, Healthcare is not a partisan problem, we all need it. If repubs would stop impaling the ACA and lying to americans about it we could solve the problem.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-26-2018, 3:25 PM Reply   
"Obamacare only made prices go up. Money in the system makes it more expensive not cheaper."

Not true. The ACA provided HI to people who couldn't get it previously. So you need to remove the word "only" to make that statement true.

I have to wonder the point of your story about the ER costing you $45. If you are trying to make the point that the ER costs have inflated 10000% (i.e. a $45 bill then now costs $4500) because of govt policy, then you've only confirmed that the govt is at fault for people not getting access to HC and must fix the problem. However, only the Democrats have demonstrated the resolve to actually fulfill that responsibility.

If you are trying to make the point that it was done better in the good old days, then I'd say that you are not really saying anything useful because there isn't any political resolve on anyone's part to go back to the good old days.

If you are trying to make the point that the good old days were just before the ACA, then I'd say you don't know what you are talking about.

So what is your point? The only thing I know based on what you are writing is that you couldn't give a crap if many people have no access to HC. And if I thought your supernatural fantasy of the magic man in the sky was real, then I would say the same thing about the fate of your soul as you mentioned in a previous post.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-26-2018, 4:41 PM Reply   
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I can say the same thing about your soul.....
Do you think God will fall for that?

I believe in a just caring God even though all evidence point to God doesn't exist or at the very least does exist and couldn't care less about us, but I'm gonna fake it just in case. He'll never know the difference.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-26-2018, 4:52 PM Reply   
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Uh, he said he hope I got cancer. Again this is why you democrats are unhinged.
Sorry delta, my bad. I intended to put a quote from joeschmoe up above. this.

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This is Over the line (even for wakeworld standards) DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS OF YOUR OWN? What if they got cancer? My co-worker just found out his beautiful 16 year old daughter just got a Very rare form of cancer, this is the ultimate sucker punch in the gut! Hope you Don't have anyone in your family getting cancer.


Who is going to stand up for the GOP? This is who you are voting for.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-donald-trump/


Where are all the guys who said the bombs were from the violent democrats??
oops.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-26-2018, 5:03 PM Reply   
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On another note; Am I missing something in the news cycle? Early reports said only one bomb was hand delivered, this morning I read none of the bombs were sent through the email but they just caught guy & said he was sending them through the mail?????
When we went into Afghanistan the military / CIA made up that Osama Bin Laden was on dialysis & spread the rumor. They did this so when villagers would claim to have seen him they knew anyone saying he had the dialysis equipment was a liar.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-26-2018, 5:05 PM Reply   
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Sorry delta, my bad. I intended to put a quote from joeschmoe up above. this.




Who is going to stand up for the GOP? This is who you are voting for.



oops.
Are you serious? The GOP is a bunch of wimps that get beat down like abused children. It's half the reason they lost their party. The lefts insanity is the only reason for its resurgence.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       10-27-2018, 7:26 AM Reply   
"Not true. The ACA provided HI to people who couldn't get it previously. So you need to remove the word "only" to make that statement true." At the cost of raising rates and others losing their health care. You left that part out. I think the words were, "You can keep your insurance. And "Lets vote to see what's in it." Remember that?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-27-2018, 7:46 AM Reply   
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So you need to remove the word "only" to make that statement true."
Yes. And you can't refute that.

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At the cost of raising rates and others losing their health care. You left that part out. I think the words were, "You can keep your insurance. And "Lets vote to see what's in it." Remember that?
I left it out because it wasn't relevant. Who lost HC because of rising rates? The ACA had income considerations that allowed people who couldn't afford rising rates to get subsidies. I bet a lot of people kept their insurance. Now that Trump is President I think pointing out minor manipulations of the truth no longer has any meaning.

How about the Senate Majority leader saying that the rising deficit is the fault of paying back debt to SS and Medicare? Now that's a doozy! And you guys didn't even blink. And when Trump got on TV saying that everyone would have great insurance, we all knew it was a lie. But Trump lying is something that many just take in stride. It's as dependable as the sun rising in the morning.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-27-2018, 9:13 AM Reply   
So the MAGABomber was exactly what we expected. Someone who listened to Trump and believed him.
Being a die hard Trump supporter means you have to be stupid or nuts.
The GOP are the violent lunatics, and all the stats back that up. There has been more terrorism from the far right than from Islam in this country and the FBI stats back that up.

The far right sends bomb, the far left interrupts them while their dipping marshmallows into the chocolate waterfall at the golden corral.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-27-2018, 10:52 AM Reply   
Ok I had to laugh: on the News yesterday they displayed a Map of all the Liberial Loons that got a bomb. My question How come Elizabeth Warren & Fredrica Willson did not get a package???. This clearly show they should add a Extra charge of Hate crime for not including the .10076% Indian and person of color Fredrica these people were left out and that clearly show’s discrimination. Throw the book at this nut job.

A Nut job targets other Nut Jobs LOL LOL
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-27-2018, 11:23 AM Reply   
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So the MAGABomber was exactly what we expected. Someone who listened to Trump and believed him.
Being a die hard Trump supporter means you have to be stupid or nuts.
The GOP are the violent lunatics, and all the stats back that up. There has been more terrorism from the far right than from Islam in this country and the FBI stats back that up.

The far right sends bomb, the far left interrupts them while their dipping marshmallows into the chocolate waterfall at the golden corral.
MAGABomber... That has a nice ring to it like unabomber. Lol

I don’t think anyone on this thread is a die hard Trump supporter.

More terrorism from the right? Pretty sure you meant to say left. Ever heard of ANTIFA? How many towns have the right burned and looted?
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-27-2018, 12:05 PM Reply   
More Doubble Standards from the Un Hinged LEFT:

So MSM is saying TRUMP is responsible for this Mail Bomber. The MSM is all over TRUMP to Take responsibility for the Mail Bombers actions.

Ok

The the Bernie Sanders supporter shot up the Republican softball game Did the Media blame Bernie??
Did the Media ask Bernie to take Responsibility? Ummm
I don’t think so!!! Let’s face it both sides have idiots. Don’t forget kiddies “Weather Underground” the OG domestic democratic Terriorsts. In fact Bill Ayers a weather underground BOMBER is a Teacher. Crazy right??? Nope just another Democrat
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-27-2018, 2:37 PM Reply   
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MAGABomber... That has a nice ring to it like unabomber. Lol

I don’t think anyone on this thread is a die hard Trump supporter.

More terrorism from the right? Pretty sure you meant to say left. Ever heard of ANTIFA? How many towns have the right burned and looted?
Check the actual stats the Extreme Right is WAY more dangerous than the Extreme left
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-27-2018, 2:39 PM Reply   
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More Doubble Standards from the Un Hinged LEFT:

So MSM is saying TRUMP is responsible for this Mail Bomber. The MSM is all over TRUMP to Take responsibility for the Mail Bombers actions.

Ok

The the Bernie Sanders supporter shot up the Republican softball game Did the Media blame Bernie??
Did the Media ask Bernie to take Responsibility? Ummm
I don’t think so!!! Let’s face it both sides have idiots. Don’t forget kiddies “Weather Underground” the OG domestic democratic Terriorsts. In fact Bill Ayers a weather underground BOMBER is a Teacher. Crazy right??? Nope just another Democrat
When that happened Bernie came right out and condemned it. Trump said the media is to blame, right after the nut job targeted the media.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-27-2018, 2:46 PM Reply   
Anyone can have crazy supporters. Certain people are more likely to have crazy supporters. I think Trump and Bernie are both in this camp .....BUT Trump encourages this ****.


"I'm just saying"
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-27-2018, 3:01 PM Reply   
I heard Trump in an interview where he was asked if he thought his rhetoric could have any part in encouraging people like the bomber. To paraphrase, Trump basically bragged that his rhetoric was nothing compared to how big a dick he could be.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-27-2018, 3:56 PM Reply   
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So MSM is saying TRUMP is responsible for this Mail Bomber. The MSM is all over TRUMP to Take responsibility for the Mail Bombers actions.
G is 100% right here, you can't blame Trump for inspiring the MAGABomber in the same way you can't blame Islam for inspiring Islamic terrorists. I'm surprised G I didn't think you were that progressive, but regardless kudos to you.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-27-2018, 6:03 PM Reply   
Ralph: welcome back to the Mosh Pit

How are you enjoying the NZ spring. Here is what it looks like in Nor Cal right now.
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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-28-2018, 8:08 AM Reply   
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G is 100% right here, you can't blame Trump for inspiring the MAGABomber in the same way you can't blame Islam for inspiring Islamic terrorists. I'm surprised G I didn't think you were that progressive, but regardless kudos to you.
He was wrong. Just like you are in agreeing with him. You blame people who interpret Islam to inspire violence and terrorism. Just like you blame Trump for his interpretation of reality to create violence. It's not the inanimate object (i.e. Islam) that gets the blame. It's the opportunists that find a way to use the "object" to inspire violence. It can be religion, ethnicity, or just being poor and needing help that is the "object". You still need a loudmouthed a$$hole and gullible people to complete the job.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-28-2018, 8:48 AM Reply   
doesn't the wave of lunacy have to be blamed on both sides?

We have "leaders" on the left encouraging confrontations. Seems to me, this type of thing only results in the other side "one upping" things.

Our politicians, especially the President, ought to encourage civility. They ought to encourage change through voting and becoming involved.

For anybody to think that only people of opposing political views are to blame....is crazy
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-28-2018, 10:42 AM Reply   
The loony libs asking the Right to “Tone Down” these un Un hinged Loons have been at it since day 1.
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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-28-2018, 11:38 AM Reply   
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doesn't the wave of lunacy have to be blamed on both sides?
Not sure if you are responding to my post. But there is nothing that I wrote that indicates violence can't be advocated by all sides of any religion or political ideology. Trump is notable because of his position as the "Leader of the Free World", and he was elected by the entire country vs any particular state. Although the claim to "Leader of the Free World" is certainly is question now, the fact is that the President is only politician that is elected by the participation of the whole country.

No matter how stupid the POS we elected is, he still represents the entire American public whether we like it or not. The consequence being there are a lot of people driven to extreme measures to send a message to the world that they don't support Trump in the hope they realize that all Americans don't agree with him.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-28-2018, 12:04 PM Reply   
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The loony libs asking the Right to “Tone Down” these un Un hinged Loons have been at it since day 1.
EXACTLY! So friggin tired of the hypocrisy of the left wing mobs.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       10-28-2018, 1:27 PM Reply   
wasn't really responding to anyone
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-28-2018, 6:08 PM Reply   
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EXACTLY! So friggin tired of the hypocrisy of the left wing mobs.


Yes those two super relevant “stars,” Madonna and Kathy Griffin. It’s amazing the GOP can do anything in the face of such an overwhelming onslaught.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-28-2018, 7:46 PM Reply   
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Ralph: welcome back to the Mosh Pit

How are you enjoying the NZ spring. Here is what it looks like in Nor Cal right now.
Good bro, Racing season has started up again so I am super happy.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-28-2018, 7:47 PM Reply   
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You blame people who interpret Islam to inspire violence and terrorism. Just like you blame Trump for his interpretation of reality to create violence
No mate, I was saying you can't do that, read it again.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-28-2018, 7:54 PM Reply   
Is anyone worried about the economy, get the feeling the wheels are about to fall off? The debt to GDP ratio is crazy high and budgeted to get worse with tax cuts without spending cuts, I thought the GOP were deficit hawks? Whats going to happen when the interest rates go up and you need to start servicing the debt?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-28-2018, 8:09 PM Reply   
Things are about to get interesting. The tax cuts have done their part, the trarrifs are hurting the market and I'm not sure if we have time for the benefits of the tarrifs to come to fruition before we go into recession.

The economy is extremely leveraged and if this start to go bad they will go bad quickly.

If the Dem win the house, I don't think Trump is going to be able to get anything done.

GOP are going to want to cut entitlements. Dems are going to want to reverse the tax cuts and I don't see anyone compromising.

**** is going to be bad and if the market keeps going south this week, it is going to go bad quickly
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-28-2018, 8:22 PM Reply   
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I'm not sure if we have time for the benefits of the tarrifs to come to fruition before we go into recession.
What do you see as the benefits of tarrifs?
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-28-2018, 8:40 PM Reply   
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What do you see as the benefits of tarrifs?
In the general I believe tarrifs are bad but they can be used as a tool in the certain circumstances.

Put the hurt on another country to negotiate a better trade deal. (This is a big part of Trump's strategy).

Protect a certain industry for national security reasons. Basically preventing you from becoming reliant on another country for vital goods or services.

Tarrifs can be used to support an industry temporarily while you develop it to become globally competitive. Asian countries (can't remember which one's but probably Japan, maybe others too) used tarrifs to protect their Auto industry in the 60s/70s and where are to become globally powerhouses.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-28-2018, 8:50 PM Reply   
That is interesting, I've never considered tarrifs having any upsides to be honest but using them as a tool as you details looks like it would have some merit.
I very much doubt it has any upside in this situation tho. China carries a long term view, don't operate on a 4 year election cycle and the leadership don't really answer in anyway to the populous. Long story short, they can take a lot more pain and for longer than the US. I imagine they will just squeeze the US economy until it crashes,Trump relents or is voted out.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-28-2018, 9:20 PM Reply   
If there is upside I don't see it. The Trump tarrifs come across as knee jerk to me but maybe that's a strategy. I certainly wouldn't trust Trump to set tarrifs but he does have a lot of smart people working for him so there may be a plan and Trump's job is to sell it as "I'm so crazy I'll slap tarrifs on everything unless you give us a better deal".

The problem with tarrifs is that they cost money. You are essentially increasing prices for goods and that makes goods more expensive for businesses and consumers and has the knock on effect of making things further down the supply chain more expenses and exports less competitive. Then you have to deal with the retaliation.

The current tarrifs are hurting manufacturing, so I don't see them creating jobs.


We will have to see how the trade deals go but as far as I have seen, to date there have not been any significant improvement in existing trade deals.

So far it's been all cost with little benefits.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-29-2018, 8:15 AM Reply   
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No mate, I was saying you can't do that, read it again.
That's why I said you were wrong.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-29-2018, 12:38 PM Reply   
The Far Right goes with explosive devices, the far left goes interrupting them while they're dipping marshmallows into the chocolate waterfall at the Golden Corral.

Yeah, both sides are crazy.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-29-2018, 1:17 PM Reply   
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The Far Right goes with explosive devices, the far left goes interrupting them while they're dipping marshmallows into the chocolate waterfall at the Golden Corral.

Yeah, both sides are crazy.
By far the dumbest most ignorant comment by you to date. Either vapid & void of any information or just ignorantly dishonest.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       10-29-2018, 1:22 PM Reply   
Brian Kemp refuses to step down from his position overseeing the Georgia gubernatorial election IN WHICH HE IS A CANDIDATE lol. Talk about corrupt. Jimmy Carter has joined those calling for him to step aside and let the election be run properly.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-29-2018, 1:41 PM Reply   
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By far the dumbest most ignorant comment by you to date. Either vapid & void of any information or just ignorantly dishonest.
No the stats back me up:


If you look at the terrorism in the US from 1992 on, the far right is responsible for 6.6% of the murders so the chance of being killed by a Right wing nut job is 1 in 33 million a year.

The far left is responsible for 0.7% of the murders so 1 in 330 million a year. Notice the extra 0, the Far Right are statistically 10 times more dangerous that the Left.

The far-right wing is the number 2 most dangerous Terrorist group in the US after Islamist Fundamentalists.
Check the stats:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12bc62301e74
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-29-2018, 1:42 PM Reply   
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Brian Kemp refuses to step down from his position overseeing the Georgia gubernatorial election IN WHICH HE IS A CANDIDATE lol. Talk about corrupt. Jimmy Carter has joined those calling for him to step aside and let the election be run properly.
When the GOP can't win, they just cheat. We are turning into a third world nation.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-29-2018, 1:53 PM Reply   
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By far the dumbest most ignorant comment by you to date. Either vapid & void of any information or just ignorantly dishonest.
Yeah. It’s like a competition with himself to top each stupid comment with another.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-29-2018, 2:37 PM Reply   
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Yeah. It’s like a competition with himself to top each stupid comment with another.
Said the guy who has never submitted a single link to a real article or presented a single fact to the conversation.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-29-2018, 3:20 PM Reply   
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By far the dumbest most ignorant comment by you to date. Either vapid & void of any information or just ignorantly dishonest.
says the guy who blamed the left for the bombings last week, even had it all figured out because all the evidence of mailing and hand delivered packages, pre-written op-eds..... Brilliant sleuthing.

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Whats going to happen when the interest rates go up and you need to start servicing the debt?
Eventually the democrats take over the office and bring the usa back on axis.

Soo, what does trump say about the shooting at the Pittsburgh synagogue, "Well if they had armed gaurds"....
Far right shooting people up and mailing bombs, But Breitbart and Fox wanna complain about a Broadway play and a "C" level comedienne with a prop. Oh, and the caravan! umm.. the tax cut.
We are your protectors of healthcare and pre-existing conditions...and Saudi murderers. Lol. Winning trump style.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-29-2018, 3:22 PM Reply   
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Said the guy who has never submitted a single link to a real article or presented a single fact to the conversation.
That's because 90% of the world makes fun of internet dorks that try to post articles that back up their argument while never digging deeper. You already have a narrow myopic view & any article, link or what not would fall on deaf ears anyway. Much easier to just remind you that you come off as a douche & are probably lame AF to hang out with.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-29-2018, 3:32 PM Reply   
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Soo, what does trump say about the shooting at the Pittsburgh synagogue, "Well if they had armed gaurds"....
The answer is if they had an armed guard he would have been the first to die. If you actually thought a shooter would show up one day, you'd have to be crazy to be an armed guard. Work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year doing zip. It's a sure thing you aren't going to be prepared for a guy to walk up, pull out a gun, and blow you away.

Even if there were two guards, there's a chance the 2nd one would wander in wondering what the commotion and noise is and get blown away as well. How many armed guards do you have to staff full time to even have a sense of security that they will be able to protect you? Bottom line is the only security is the odds that it's a long shot. And Trump is doing his best to make the odds worse.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-29-2018, 3:33 PM Reply   
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Much easier to just remind you that you come off as a douche & are probably lame AF to hang out with.
Irony is still your best weapon. Good thing because you sure don't have any intelligence to work with.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-29-2018, 3:43 PM Reply   
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Irony is still your best weapon. Good thing because you sure don't have any intelligence to work with.
You're WW cool, LOL. You spew a bunch of uneducated bull****, call names & are a prime example of just how thin the air is on that pedestal people on your side place themselves on. I'm sure when you're done masturbating & crying yourself to sleep you do all sorts of educational stuff. Like read political news, get upset, post links on WW.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-29-2018, 4:49 PM Reply   
The left has responded to the military action at the border by sending their army of Pussyhats there. But they're turning the hats inside out so they look like tacos.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-29-2018, 4:51 PM Reply   
Rember folks Plhorn: is the same guy who says he could tell by BKs hearing testimonie that he is/was a alcoholic.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-29-2018, 5:05 PM Reply   
^^I think that was me. I said "He has an alcohol problem".
mmmmm, tacos.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-29-2018, 5:13 PM Reply   
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Said the guy who has never submitted a single link to a real article or presented a single fact to the conversation.
You want a link? Here's your link. Choke on it.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...al%20douchebag
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-29-2018, 5:30 PM Reply   
At least one guy at Fox admits it. Do I say "choke on it" now?
https://thehill.com/media/413732-she...-one-is-coming
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-29-2018, 5:49 PM Reply   
95: I can keep you loons straight it’s like a episode of the “Walk Dead” you brainless zombies just keep poping up, LOL LOL LOL.
Reminds me of the Arcade game “Whack a Mole”
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-29-2018, 6:22 PM Reply   
No worries, just remember, im the tall good looking one.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-29-2018, 6:49 PM Reply   
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At least one guy at Fox admits it. Do I say "choke on it" now?
https://thehill.com/media/413732-she...-one-is-coming
Oh sure... Highlight the token liberal butt pirate on Fox... LOL
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-29-2018, 7:04 PM Reply   
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Oh sure... Highlight the token liberal butt pirate on Fox... LOL
Shep is not the token liberal. He is the token news anchor. His is the only show on Fox News that is actaully a news show and not a talk show.

He is an the only actual jornalist doing jornalist on the channel.

But you know what they say, the truth has a liberal bias.


Bet you don't believe me.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       10-29-2018, 9:10 PM Reply   
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The current tarrifs are hurting manufacturing, so I don't see them creating jobs.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/24/59674...er-keg-company
The American keg company in Pa had to lay off workers who used American steel to make their kegs because of the tariffs Trump placed on steel. Because of the increase in American steel, their kegs cost too much and people would buy their kegs from China! So, the new tariffs are suppose to be placed on the kegs coming from China.
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-30-2018, 7:17 AM Reply   
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Shep is not the token liberal. He is the token news anchor. His is the only show on Fox News that is actaully a news show and not a talk show.

He is an the only actual jornalist doing jornalist on the channel.

But you know what they say, the truth has a liberal bias.


Bet you don't believe me.
CNN, MSNBC are mostly pundits, not news. Why is that different? Because you agree with them? Worse, most lefties actually get their news from Trevor Noah, Bill Maher & facebook..
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-30-2018, 8:54 AM Reply   
You realize that Jesus was a Liberal right? Would he turn away refugee's? Didn't he want to feed the poor? Didn't he say something about rich people having little chance of getting into heaven?

Granted, its all BS; but it's weird to me that the people that believe in this stuff behave the least like their fictional deity. (Wombat....)
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-30-2018, 9:01 AM Reply   
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Rember folks Plhorn: is the same guy who says he could tell by BKs hearing testimonie that he is/was a alcoholic.
I never said he was an alcoholic, I said he was guilty as hell about trying to force himself on the 15 year old.

I could give a crap that he drank in college.

Anyone that believed his testimony should tell their daughters to go to their nearest frat house and ask two dudes if they want to play devils triangle.

He had all the classic behavior or an abuser. If you get wrongfully accused of something, you don't cry, you get pissed. He got all weepy about his calendar that his dad wrote, but his dad was still alive and sitting behind him.
Abusers, immediately switch to playing the victim card, it's part of the psychology. If he was so innocent then why didn't they do an actual investigation. The FBI was instructed to no talk to the victim, the other person who was in the room or him.
Old     (plhorn)      Join Date: Dec 2005       10-30-2018, 9:04 AM Reply   
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You want a link? Here's your link. Choke on it.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...al%20douchebag
Exactly the kind of thought out, well reasoned argument we've all come to expect from your contributions to this board. If you could harness the brain power that you've demonstrated here, you could toast some bread, very very lightly.
Old     (Blamey)      Join Date: Apr 2016       10-30-2018, 9:09 AM Reply   
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CNN, MSNBC are mostly pundits, not news. Why is that different? Because you agree with them? Worse, most lefties actually get their news from Trevor Noah, Bill Maher & facebook..
I think CNN has a fair amount of news and jornalism along with the talk head **** they put on in prime time.

I really don't know much about CNBC outside of their talking heads.

I don't watch CNN or CNBC.

Either way I agree that these talk shows are all poor places to be the primary source of news and information.

My point was that the one person on Fox news that is actual news is considered the 'token liberal'.


Additionally I have asked, on the post, several times for a source for conservative news and have as of yet come up with zero reponses.

Any chance you can contribute?
Old     (wombat2wombat)      Join Date: Sep 2018       10-30-2018, 9:27 AM Reply   
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You realize that Jesus was a Liberal right? Would he turn away refugee's? Didn't he want to feed the poor? Didn't he say something about rich people having little chance of getting into heaven?

Granted, its all BS; but it's weird to me that the people that believe in this stuff behave the least like their fictional deity. (Wombat....)
Not sure where you get I'm a Jesus guy. I am always amazed though that people draw these correlations to Jesus when you clearly don't know jack about his life, his beliefs & where he would stand on this issue. He sure wouldn't like jackwagons like you using his name in vein to make a political point while not believing in him or giving others the same love you are demanding we give to illegal aliens simply because you disagree with them. I am positive though that if Jesus was around today he could do basic math & see 20 million undocumented aliens being a major problem to society. I also positive he would be really upset that the left uses these people as pawns & pay them to put their lives on the line for an Oct surprise.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-30-2018, 9:31 AM Reply   
[QUOTE=plhorn;1982020]
He had all the classic behavior or an abuser. If you get wrongfully accused of something, you don't cry, you get pissed.

Clearly, you didn't watch the hearing. I watched the whole hearing from beginning to end and that's EXACTLY what he did. In fact, it surprised me how pissed he was.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       10-30-2018, 9:34 AM Reply   
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Exactly the kind of thought out, well reasoned argument we've all come to expect from your contributions to this board. If you could harness the brain power that you've demonstrated here, you could toast some bread, very very lightly.
Like Trump, I'm in your head-rent free.
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