he's got about 5 days or of riding, this spring, he tried between my feet, and hated it. he said, i'm not a wakesurfer, just a wakeboarder. late august i took him and a couple of his friends wakeboarding, he kills that. his friends couldn't get up so we broke out the surf board, and he did good, got up and rode. then his friend did ok again, but drop the rope and rode. next try lazlo was surfing, and digging it. I think i am going to buy a wake9 grom for next year!