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Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-28-2017, 7:33 PM Reply   
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Actually i would try to have dialect with them. It is amazing what truthful 2 way conversation would have. That was public property. The message was that they had a choice. Heaven or hell. These people LGBT pride are so far gone living in sin that the message needs to be given in nearing the same magnetism message as the gay are giving off that day. Of course they can not. The LGBT message is extremely vulgar and offensive .
You're right there is a "choice". Fantasy land or the real world. It's clear you choose the former. The bible speaks of divorce in the same light as homosexuality. Funny that you never see any bible-thumpers picketing a divorce attorney's office or the courthouse.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-28-2017, 10:36 PM Reply   
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You're right there is a "choice". Fantasy land or the real world. It's clear you choose the former. The bible speaks of divorce in the same light as homosexuality. Funny that you never see any bible-thumpers picketing a divorce attorney's office or the courthouse.
Where does the Bible speak of divorce and homosexuality in the same light? Like equal? Really? Care to expand on that or give examples?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-29-2017, 5:16 AM Reply   
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Where does the Bible speak of divorce and homosexuality in the same light? Like equal? Really? Care to expand on that or give examples?
First, Read Mark 10:11-12. And then read the countless verses on what the bible says about adultery (Mark, Matthew, Corinthians, etc.).

I would be wonderful if you guys would take the time to actually read the bible before you start bashing people in the head with it.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-29-2017, 8:21 AM Reply   
"Wonderful" might be a bit over the top. More like slightly less face palmy.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-29-2017, 8:28 AM Reply   
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First, Read Mark 10:11-12. And then read the countless verses on what the bible says about adultery (Mark, Matthew, Corinthians, etc.).

I would be wonderful if you guys would take the time to actually read the bible before you start bashing people in the head with it.
First, I was asking you rhetorically. Second, there are reasons noted in the Bible where divorce and remarriage are allowed. NOWHERE does it say homosexuality is allowed.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-29-2017, 9:02 AM Reply   
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First, I was asking you rhetorically. Second, there are reasons noted in the Bible where divorce and remarriage are allowed. NOWHERE does it say homosexuality is allowed.
Only in cases of infidelity (even if the spouse is a nonbeliever, divorce is not acceptable). The majority of divorces are not because of infidelity. Reading is your friend. Furthermore, I could direct you to the verses that say "sin is sin" in god's eyes, meaning that no one sin trumps another.

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-29-2017, 9:05 AM Reply   
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there are reasons noted in the Bible where divorce and remarriage are allowed.
The bible claims It's allowed because people are basically a$$holes. Just like the individuals in the video condemning the gays.

And no Dennie I do not support their speech. I support the protections to speech offered by the 1st amendment. And nowhere in the 1st amendment does it suggest that you can't demonstrate a lack of support of the speech of people you disagree with. I do not support "free speech" in the context that you use it. The exercise of your freedom to speak comes with a price. Whether it's Kathy Griffin, Trump, or anyone else... you are responsible for what you say.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 9:43 AM Reply   
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Only in cases of infidelity (even if the spouse is a nonbeliever, divorce is not acceptable). The majority of divorces are not because of infidelity. Reading is your friend. Furthermore, I could direct you to the verses that say "sin is sin" in god's eyes, meaning that no one sin trumps another.
Wow...Jeremy and the bible. Good for you.

While I agree bashing a single group of "their sin" really is not constructive, it could be noted that people are not publicly performing perverse parades (and I don't say perverse because they are gay, I say it because it is true if you ever seen the highlights from one) and asking for special rights just because they are divorced. I do think that Christians need to check themselves when going to the point of protesting other sinners. If they do, they need to be socially constructive and pray in silence for them instead of getting into pissing contests.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-29-2017, 11:22 AM Reply   
Trump continues to show what a disgusting person he is and tarnish the dignity of the presidency. Sad. Melanie claims she wants to do something about cyber bullying - she should start at home (well at her husband's home - it's clear she doesn't really want to live with him).
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 11:55 AM Reply   
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Trump continues to show what a disgusting person he is and tarnish the dignity of the presidency. Sad. Melanie claims she wants to do something about cyber bullying - she should start at home (well at her husband's home - it's clear she doesn't really want to live with him).
I don't really know how to feel about this. Finally someone is hitting back at all these paid bullies on the left but he really should stay above some of this. I say good for him sticking up for himself when public people want to belly up to him in private then stab him in the back publicly but there may be better ways.

At this, I say oh well. We knew what we were getting and I don't really care at this point. He is finally saying what all of middle America has been wanting to say to all the hollywood bullies for years.

You guys said he is not your president so don't worry about it.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-29-2017, 1:15 PM Reply   
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I don't really know how to feel about this. Finally someone is hitting back at all these paid bullies on the left but he really should stay above some of this. I say good for him sticking up for himself when public people want to belly up to him in private then stab him in the back publicly but there may be better ways.

At this, I say oh well. We knew what we were getting and I don't really care at this point. He is finally saying what all of middle America has been wanting to say to all the hollywood bullies for years.

You guys said he is not your president so don't worry about it.
I find it comical that you are more concerned with "hollywood's" involvement in elections than you are with Russians.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-29-2017, 1:33 PM Reply   
Paid bullies on the left? Lol. Ridiculous. Please point out how this woman ever "bullied" Trump.

Should Obama have "hit back" against Trump/Hannity/Limbaugh etc and the disgusting things they said about him (and his family)? No, he rose above it. As did GWB and others before him.

Your legitimizing of this mentally ill clown is concerning.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:16 PM Reply   
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I find it comical that you are more concerned with "hollywood's" involvement in elections than you are with Russians.
Seems like an illogical conclusion on your part when there has not been any case made in that regard.

Russians - I know they are trying. Always have been always will. They historically have a completely different version of freedom and are very authoritarian by nature. I know who they are. Clinton shot her own self in the foot and the sooner you understand that, the better off the world will be.

Hollywood - supposed to be Americans, however they have been taken over by similar authoritarian leftists that we know the Russians to be. Those Americans and outside agents pile their money into anti American globalist movies. They make movie after movie attacking every single Republican president. Put out conspiracy movie after conspiracy movie to help promote their leftist (globalist) agenda.

Of the two, which one would you worry more about. The enemy abroad or the enemy within? besides. Aren't you leftists worried about corporation money? Why not hollywood who makes a considerable amount of their revenue from outside of the United States. You don't think they have agendas?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-29-2017, 2:19 PM Reply   
You mean the way they've piled their money into Trump's coffers, lol? The guy can't get any money from American banks (they have this strange incessant desire to actually get paid back). Strange that you'd be more worried about the hollywood greedfest than the one going on in the White House.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:23 PM Reply   
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Paid bullies on the left? Lol. Ridiculous. Please point out how this woman ever "bullied" Trump.

Should Obama have "hit back" against Trump/Hannity/Limbaugh etc and the disgusting things they said about him (and his family)? No, he rose above it. As did GWB and others before him.

Your legitimizing of this mentally ill clown is concerning.
If you are talking about the Morning Joe lady, it sounds like she knows him well enough to want to hang out with him for 3 days then turns around and talks crap about him on her show. I am pretty sure Obama did not hang out with Hannity or Limbaugh.

With that said, he should rise above it. I don't care for his twitter account though I do find it funny how he trolls the left from time to time based on the pure comedy of it all. It is not professional.

With that said. I don't really care. I don't use twitter. I don't get into that garbage. I do like that he bypasses the press to get his message out. That way we don't have to get someone narrative. Unfortunately, you get unfiltered content and I don't know if people are prepared for real talk from a non politician. Apparently we are not just as he is not prepared to be a Washington politician.

To paraphrase Chris Rock, He should not have tweeted, but I understand.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-29-2017, 2:25 PM Reply   
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You mean the way they've piled their money into Trump's coffers, lol? The guy can't get any money from American banks (they have this strange incessant desire to actually get paid back). Strange that you'd be more worried about the hollywood greedfest than the one going on in the White House.


This "foreign banks" thing is all nonsense. Whether he owes $$$ to Morgan Stanley or deutchebank or HSBC or BNP Paribas is meaningless. That's how big commercial financing happens in the real world. It ain't nefarious.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:28 PM Reply   
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You mean the way they've piled their money into Trump's coffers, lol? The guy can't get any money from American banks (they have this strange incessant desire to actually get paid back). Strange that you'd be more worried about the hollywood greedfest than the one going on in the White House.
Greedfest in the White House? Nooooooooo........... Say it ain't so. You mean to tell me that Bill and Hillary got rich outside the White House when they came in near broke? You mean like Obama running around to every billionaire hot spot in the world escorted by fighter jets from other countries because he was a community organizer?

Apparently Trump has paid back enough people considering his high than average business success rate (and I spelled that out on this board for you guys once before).

What is it you are reaching for? Were you on Obama's jock like this or is it ex democrats like Trump and Reagan that get up your crawl? Is it just people from middle America that you dislike? What is it that keeps you up at night?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       06-29-2017, 2:34 PM Reply   
Only in Roddyworld does Trump have a high "business success rate." Working the system and having successful, honorable businesses are two different things (as he has shown). Next you'll be telling us that he's a good Christian, lol.

Nothing keeps me up at night, but I am concerned that an egomaniacal yet tragically insecure 3rd grader is degrading the presidency and America along with it. You're not, and it's your prerogative.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:39 PM Reply   
And for the record, Wes. Trump on his TV show would always make me cringe as he always sounded tacky as crap and reminded me more of WWE (which he has partook in) than anything.

With that said. Does he have a good agenda (I say yes). Does he make congress work (I say yes). he told congress after the first healthcare bill to put more heart into it. Is he for America first (I say yes). Does he know how to get things done (he has a proven track record so yes). you should be happy as a clam. He is the first president ever to come into office being on the record as pro gay (Clinton and Obama were not). He is a New York democrat his whole life. Should have been what the doctor ordered.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:44 PM Reply   
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Only in Roddyworld does Trump have a high "business success rate." Working the system and having successful, honorable businesses are two different things (as he has shown). Next you'll be telling us that he's a good Christian, lol.

Nothing keeps me up at night, but I am concerned that an egomaniacal yet tragically insecure 3rd grader is degrading the presidency and America along with it. You're not, and it's your prerogative.
Oh hogwash. If Ted Cruz won you would find the next leftist talking point to be upset about. You put meme after meme after meme out against Bush for years. You have zero credibility when it comes to what ever new outrage you have. There has not been a day that you have not been outraged during any Republican presidents time in office.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 2:54 PM Reply   
From this article, since 1994 companies the size of Trumps (over 1000 employees) should have about a 0.4% bankruptcy rate per year. Trump was involved in 500. You would expect Trump to have 2 bankruptcies a year since 1994 (what is that up to a potential 44 total if he started at 500 as an upper vaule). Trump has had 4. I think he is doing well.


https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...th-the-success

According to US Census results from 2013, there were something like 5.7 million firms in the US. There are about 9,300 firms that could be considered Trump-ly (my arbitrary definition being a company of 1000+ employees). Assuming this is representative of the number of Trump-ly firms that existed each year since 1994, we have a Chapter 11 filing rate of 40/9,300 = ~0.4% per year.

The Donald cited over 500 businesses he is an executive with as part of his candidacy filings. Let's use this as an assumption of the average number of businesses that he has started that exist at any one time.

At 500 businesses per year, a failure rate of 0.4% per year means that you could expect two (2) of his businesses to file for Chapter 11. So based on these assumptions he is batting well above the average.

http://www.citizensgroup.us/is-donal...l-businessman/

So at most Trump has had around 9 failed or bankrupt businesses, that puts his success rate at 98.3%.”

The reality is that 90% of new start-ups fail. So anyone with an 11% success rate starting companies is above average.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-29-2017, 3:03 PM Reply   
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At 500 businesses per year, a failure rate of 0.4% per year means that you could expect two (2) of his businesses to file for Chapter 11. So based on these assumptions he is batting well above the average.

http://www.citizensgroup.us/is-donal...l-businessman/
The Trump Organization has 50,000 employees? I think most of the subsidiary LLCs that he's involved in have zero employees.... they're just the participant in somebody else's development project.

What I'm saying is that those little subs (that don't employ anyone) are being double counted in the analysis (unless they all actually do each have 1000 employees themselves).
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-29-2017, 3:04 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by deltahoosier View Post
From this article, since 1994 companies the size of Trumps (over 1000 employees) should have about a 0.4% bankruptcy rate per year. Trump was involved in 500. You would expect Trump to have 2 bankruptcies a year since 1994 (what is that up to a potential 44 total if he started at 500 as an upper vaule). Trump has had 4. I think he is doing well.


https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...th-the-success

According to US Census results from 2013, there were something like 5.7 million firms in the US. There are about 9,300 firms that could be considered Trump-ly (my arbitrary definition being a company of 1000+ employees). Assuming this is representative of the number of Trump-ly firms that existed each year since 1994, we have a Chapter 11 filing rate of 40/9,300 = ~0.4% per year.

The Donald cited over 500 businesses he is an executive with as part of his candidacy filings. Let's use this as an assumption of the average number of businesses that he has started that exist at any one time.

At 500 businesses per year, a failure rate of 0.4% per year means that you could expect two (2) of his businesses to file for Chapter 11. So based on these assumptions he is batting well above the average.

http://www.citizensgroup.us/is-donal...l-businessman/

So at most Trump has had around 9 failed or bankrupt businesses, that puts his success rate at 98.3%.”

The reality is that 90% of new start-ups fail. So anyone with an 11% success rate starting companies is above average.

Not all bankruptcies are created equal. The bankruptcy of a small startup vs some of the Trumply things aren't comparable, and the situations surrounding them usually aren't the same either. That isn't something you can just apply math to and say they're equivalent.
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 3:40 PM Reply   
I agree. That is why the first article that I linked was only dealing with businesses with over 1000 employees. That is well and beyond the small startup. Point is, it appears that by what ever standard, Trump is doing pretty well. That is the main point. To argue that a guy who has been getting business done in the major leagues of business (aka New York City) is not successful is laughable at best. Then trying to apply morals to money is even more laughable. Money at that level has no morals. I was raised dirt poor and only struggled to get to a modest middle class existence know that. To all of a sudden act like anyone in business at that level is not a hard baller has got their head in the sand.

Speaking of which. How about that commie Bernie Sanders. You know the share everyone's wealth guy that all you guys were so happy about. Looks like his wife may do some time potentially. It also looks like Bernie has plenty of not so share the wealth blind investment vehicles. What gives with that story line?
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 3:43 PM Reply   
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Not all bankruptcies are created equal. The bankruptcy of a small startup vs some of the Trumply things aren't comparable, and the situations surrounding them usually aren't the same either. That isn't something you can just apply math to and say they're equivalent.
Also, if the whole situation is nuanced, how can anyone on this board make the comment they were dirty? Is it because the people who want the narrative said it is or do we really know?
Old    deltahoosier            06-29-2017, 3:53 PM Reply   
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The Trump Organization has 50,000 employees? I think most of the subsidiary LLCs that he's involved in have zero employees.... they're just the participant in somebody else's development project.

What I'm saying is that those little subs (that don't employ anyone) are being double counted in the analysis (unless they all actually do each have 1000 employees themselves).
Maybe so. He has been involved in many projects in the toughest of the toughest market. So far I have seen evidence for 4 bankruptcies which is a money tool and was put into place for a reason. He has total of 9 failures which include the 4 bankruptcies. I am also sure the type of business would influence success as well.

I saw the other article was over 500 but not higher than 520. 9/500*100 = 1.8% failure. Are we really arguing about such a small number is a failure? Has all objectivity gone out the window?

Man I see businesses file in and out of malls and strip malls by the dozens yearly. I worked for a startup that went under and knew plenty that worked for startups that went under. Just my un-educated eyes tell me that the failure is higher than 1.8%.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-29-2017, 5:50 PM Reply   
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And for the record, Wes. Trump on his TV show would always make me cringe as he always sounded tacky as crap and reminded me more of WWE (which he has partook in) than anything.

With that said. Does he have a good agenda (I say yes). Does he make congress work (I say yes). he told congress after the first healthcare bill to put more heart into it. Is he for America first (I say yes). Does he know how to get things done (he has a proven track record so yes). you should be happy as a clam. He is the first president ever to come into office being on the record as pro gay (Clinton and Obama were not). He is a New York democrat his whole life. Should have been what the doctor ordered.
Delta, you are being a bit dishonest when it comes to the House healthcare bill. After it passed, Trump and the GOP were beating their chests and celebrating the passage. Trump called the bill "incredibly well-crafted". Now he calls it mean because it has no chance of passing the senate and public support is in the toilet. That speaks volumes of his character. Say what you want to about Obamacare, but one thing is certain, his support for the bill never wavered.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-29-2017, 6:17 PM Reply   
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I agree. That is why the first article that I linked was only dealing with businesses with over 1000 employees. That is well and beyond the small startup. Point is, it appears that by what ever standard, Trump is doing pretty well. That is the main point. To argue that a guy who has been getting business done in the major leagues of business (aka New York City) is not successful is laughable at best. Then trying to apply morals to money is even more laughable. Money at that level has no morals. I was raised dirt poor and only struggled to get to a modest middle class existence know that. To all of a sudden act like anyone in business at that level is not a hard baller has got their head in the sand.

Speaking of which. How about that commie Bernie Sanders. You know the share everyone's wealth guy that all you guys were so happy about. Looks like his wife may do some time potentially. It also looks like Bernie has plenty of not so share the wealth blind investment vehicles. What gives with that story line?
It is laughable. He is campaigning as the champion of the middle class but the guy has been brought up with a silver spoon. And an incredibly large one at that. Not just the million he received as "play money", but his inheritance and the money his father pumped into his businesses like his casino to keep them from failing. His tax programs keep the rich rich as well including his estate tax cut. Keep that money up in the 0.01% there Trump and help out the people who voted for you.

You're absolutely right, everybody in business in the billions is usually a sleeze ball. You couldn't be more right, that's why he shouldn't be the ****ing president haha.

BTW from the start I was never a Bernie guy, and I have stated that ever since I have been on this board, so don't bring Bernie into this, I really don't care about him. I don't like Hillary much either after some of the things her and Bill introduced into this country like the 94 crime bill, but I would take her over Trump any day of the week. At least she had some spine against Putin.

But I'm also not going to sit here and drink the Trump cool aid either. The guy continues to lie every single ****ing day and everybody keeps buying it.

Crazy the roles have reversed, the conservative crowd is letting Russia walk all over us and pulling their ears back while the liberal left wants to increase sanctions. What a time to be alive.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 7:12 AM Reply   
Liberals continue to loose it. Truth comes out with Morning Joe and the sick lady that visited the president while she was recovering from face lift isn't feeling well.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 8:08 AM Reply   
Left are always promoting physical violence . They may be also preparing for a woman hitting on them.
https://www.facebook.com/ProjectRepu...9661260666351/

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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 8:12 AM Reply   
Violent left popping off. The children need to stop.

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Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 9:06 AM Reply   
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Delta, you are being a bit dishonest when it comes to the House healthcare bill. After it passed, Trump and the GOP were beating their chests and celebrating the passage. Trump called the bill "incredibly well-crafted". Now he calls it mean because it has no chance of passing the senate and public support is in the toilet. That speaks volumes of his character. Say what you want to about Obamacare, but one thing is certain, his support for the bill never wavered.
You are applying your emotion as to why Trump said what he said. Leadership will say the team did well to the public then turn around and kick them in the A$$ behind closed doors. The "mean" part was told as a third person reference to Trump. If you really hang on every word someone says then you will have a long life. Besides, that was the house. The Senate has to do it's own work then they will combine. That is how passing laws work. It is a big deal to try and get such a massive legislation that affects so much of the economy through congress. Let's not pretend that it is easy.

Obamacare was written to fail. If you follow the discussions of the people in your party, they want single payer and they knew it would never pass so when they got just enough votes, they pushed through that piece of crap. Remember the "we have to pass it to see what's in it line"? You really defending that type of leadership? That legislation was designed to be a poison pill and to get poor people used to paying the tax before they could get single payer. If that passes the poor will really pay and you will have the biggest corporate give away in history. They will simply move all of you (us) to government healthcare and take a huge reduction in costs.
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 9:15 AM Reply   
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It is laughable. He is campaigning as the champion of the middle class but the guy has been brought up with a silver spoon. And an incredibly large one at that. Not just the million he received as "play money", but his inheritance and the money his father pumped into his businesses like his casino to keep them from failing. His tax programs keep the rich rich as well including his estate tax cut. Keep that money up in the 0.01% there Trump and help out the people who voted for you.

You're absolutely right, everybody in business in the billions is usually a sleeze ball. You couldn't be more right, that's why he shouldn't be the ****ing president haha.

BTW from the start I was never a Bernie guy, and I have stated that ever since I have been on this board, so don't bring Bernie into this, I really don't care about him. I don't like Hillary much either after some of the things her and Bill introduced into this country like the 94 crime bill, but I would take her over Trump any day of the week. At least she had some spine against Putin.

But I'm also not going to sit here and drink the Trump cool aid either. The guy continues to lie every single ****ing day and everybody keeps buying it.

Crazy the roles have reversed, the conservative crowd is letting Russia walk all over us and pulling their ears back while the liberal left wants to increase sanctions. What a time to be alive.
Where is any proof that Russia is walking on anyone. Another democrat lie. Interesting article slid out today. Remember the claim of all the intelligence agencies agreed that Russia interfered? Jeremy even was speaking about it. WELL, it turns out that the New York Times has retracted the story. Simply not true.

Found out how the Russian interference thing came to play too. It turns out that the security company for the DNC said it looked like Russians and fed that to Obama. You see, it is hard for the FBI, NSA, CIA to come to the conclusion when the DNC would not let them do investigations on teh servers. So the whole thing was set up by the DNC and never actually validated through investigation by a government agency. No wonder people are turning away from the DNC as fast as they can.

Also, why are we shooting down Russian allied aircraft if we are letting the Russians walk all over us.

All high level politicians and business people have to be what normal people would consider slim balls. Those types have to be too close the hogs if they want to be a success. I am OK with it. I know who they are and I just hope they are on our side.

As far as Trump being rich? I sure as hell don't want a poor person handling a multitrillion dollar economy.

Face it. Your position is an emotional position because the facts don't add up.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-30-2017, 9:28 AM Reply   
The left continues to promote violence today. When will it stop?
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-30-2017, 9:40 AM Reply   
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You are applying your emotion as to why Trump said what he said. Leadership will say the team did well to the public then turn around and kick them in the A$$ behind closed doors. The "mean" part was told as a third person reference to Trump. If you really hang on every word someone says then you will have a long life. Besides, that was the house. The Senate has to do it's own work then they will combine. That is how passing laws work. It is a big deal to try and get such a massive legislation that affects so much of the economy through congress. Let's not pretend that it is easy.

Obamacare was written to fail. If you follow the discussions of the people in your party, they want single payer and they knew it would never pass so when they got just enough votes, they pushed through that piece of crap. Remember the "we have to pass it to see what's in it line"? You really defending that type of leadership? That legislation was designed to be a poison pill and to get poor people used to paying the tax before they could get single payer. If that passes the poor will really pay and you will have the biggest corporate give away in history. They will simply move all of you (us) to government healthcare and take a huge reduction in costs.
That's BS and you know it. That is you simply trying to walk back what Trump said. Trump didn't call the bill "mean" or bad "behind closed doors". He did it publicly. If a bill is bad, you don't support it under any circumstances. You certainly don't publicly praise it.

I don't need a lecture on how this country's government works. I am fully aware. Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016 both assured voters of a quick repeal of Obamacare (Romney said day one of his presidency). If you know it's not "easy", why did they make such a proclamation?
Old    TheWakeIsReal            06-30-2017, 9:46 AM Reply   
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Where is any proof that Russia is walking on anyone. Another democrat lie. Interesting article slid out today. Remember the claim of all the intelligence agencies agreed that Russia interfered? Jeremy even was speaking about it. WELL, it turns out that the New York Times has retracted the story. Simply not true.

Found out how the Russian interference thing came to play too. It turns out that the security company for the DNC said it looked like Russians and fed that to Obama. You see, it is hard for the FBI, NSA, CIA to come to the conclusion when the DNC would not let them do investigations on teh servers. So the whole thing was set up by the DNC and never actually validated through investigation by a government agency. No wonder people are turning away from the DNC as fast as they can.

Also, why are we shooting down Russian allied aircraft if we are letting the Russians walk all over us.

All high level politicians and business people have to be what normal people would consider slim balls. Those types have to be too close the hogs if they want to be a success. I am OK with it. I know who they are and I just hope they are on our side.

As far as Trump being rich? I sure as hell don't want a poor person handling a multitrillion dollar economy.

Face it. Your position is an emotional position because the facts don't add up.
I'm confused, did Trump say the Russians hacked us or no? Did he not say that last week? He continues to try and ease sanctions on them as well.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       06-30-2017, 9:48 AM Reply   
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Where is any proof that Russia is walking on anyone. Another democrat lie. Interesting article slid out today. Remember the claim of all the intelligence agencies agreed that Russia interfered? Jeremy even was speaking about it. WELL, it turns out that the New York Times has retracted the story. Simply not true.

Found out how the Russian interference thing came to play too. It turns out that the security company for the DNC said it looked like Russians and fed that to Obama. You see, it is hard for the FBI, NSA, CIA to come to the conclusion when the DNC would not let them do investigations on teh servers. So the whole thing was set up by the DNC and never actually validated through investigation by a government agency. No wonder people are turning away from the DNC as fast as they can.

Also, why are we shooting down Russian allied aircraft if we are letting the Russians walk all over us.

All high level politicians and business people have to be what normal people would consider slim balls. Those types have to be too close the hogs if they want to be a success. I am OK with it. I know who they are and I just hope they are on our side.

As far as Trump being rich? I sure as hell don't want a poor person handling a multitrillion dollar economy.

Face it. Your position is an emotional position because the facts don't add up.
Why do you offer half-truths as gospels? The NYT only retracted where they said "ALL" (meaning 17 US intelligence agencies) concluded there was Russian interference. Analysts from the FBI, CIA, and the NSA confirmed Russian interference. That doesn't make the whole Russia story "false". It happened Delta; for you to act as though this is some ploy from the DNC only shows that you are unwilling to accept reality. Even Trump admits that Russia interfered in the election.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-30-2017, 12:45 PM Reply   
If this story from the Wall Street Journal is verified...
Apparently this wealthy republican, Peter Smith hired a crew to reach out to hackers around the world trying to get hold of any of the "hacked" Clinton emails. His goal was to try to find info to help bring down Clinton. They reached out to the Russians. That is Americans working with Russians. No connection to Trump, until Smith blabbed that he was working for/with guess who. Mike Flynn while he was working for the Trump campaign. The story is not based on un-identified sources. It was a one on one interview with Peter Smith.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-ope...ynn-1498770851

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ussia-scandal/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...collusion.html

Plenty of folks following up on this now. Gonna just wait and see how this plays out. Interesting times.
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 3:07 PM Reply   
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That's BS and you know it. That is you simply trying to walk back what Trump said. Trump didn't call the bill "mean" or bad "behind closed doors". He did it publicly. If a bill is bad, you don't support it under any circumstances. You certainly don't publicly praise it.

I don't need a lecture on how this country's government works. I am fully aware. Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016 both assured voters of a quick repeal of Obamacare (Romney said day one of his presidency). If you know it's not "easy", why did they make such a proclamation?
Bad is a very relative term. What is bad and what is good when it comes to a spread the wealth bill like healthcare reform? You seem to be a black and white kind of guy. Must be tough living in what world. Now only if you can be a laborer in the midwest, your life would be completely hell.

You praise the work that was done to get it moving. You can also tell them to tweak it. It is really a pretty simple concept. If you build me a house and I tell you that I want a sliding door instead of a wall, it does not mean your job of building the how was crap. Good lord you just want to hate on people and throw all common sense out the window.

Why would anyone thing doing anything in government would be easy. Go back to my original thought on being black and white. You have an old friend that you knew each other before. You see each other after 20 years in a chance meeting. You talk and he tells you he will see you later. Do you really expect that he will see you later? Would it crush you if they did not see you later? If he forever a liar if he doesn't?

If you know how the government works then why are you asking why Presidential candidates and Presidents say what they do? Presidents have ZERO power to pass law (unless you are obama circumventing the legislative branch at will). Why in the world would you have any expectation that the president can get anything done that they promise? All they can offer is direction. Either you do know how it works and you are lying or you really do not know how it works? Which is it?
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 3:15 PM Reply   
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I'm confused, did Trump say the Russians hacked us or no? Did he not say that last week? He continues to try and ease sanctions on them as well.
Not sure. Did he? I don't really listen to him. He seems to be over shouted by democrats saying the Russians hacked Hillary and the DNC and made Hillary lose the election. Between that and a bunch of leftist running around in skinny jeans being fascists while trying to say they are not fascists. Those seem to be the things I hear form the loudest. You know the people who are trying to stop him and the Republicans at all cost including murdering congressmen and burning down towns.

Beyond that I don't care. The enemy within is more dangerous right now.
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 3:22 PM Reply   
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Why do you offer half-truths as gospels? The NYT only retracted where they said "ALL" (meaning 17 US intelligence agencies) concluded there was Russian interference. Analysts from the FBI, CIA, and the NSA confirmed Russian interference. That doesn't make the whole Russia story "false". It happened Delta; for you to act as though this is some ploy from the DNC only shows that you are unwilling to accept reality. Even Trump admits that Russia interfered in the election.
First it was 17. How did they get the 17? You were the one on here yesterday stating that Everyone agreed that the hacked the emails. So now we are down to 3. How did the sign off on the hacking? They were not allowed to investigate. So how did they confirm this "hack". Answer that. The story that is out there is they signed off on what the DNC security company told them had happened. maybe they are guilty of not doing their jobs? Maybe they are complicit is something bigger? Who knows.

As of right now, you were the only one to bring a half truth that everyone believed the Russians hacked the DNC or Hillary.

There is a difference in different versions of interference BTW. Like I said, I would only be surprised if you told me that the Russians had not interfered.
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 3:31 PM Reply   
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If this story from the Wall Street Journal is verified...
Apparently this wealthy republican, Peter Smith hired a crew to reach out to hackers around the world trying to get hold of any of the "hacked" Clinton emails. His goal was to try to find info to help bring down Clinton. They reached out to the Russians. That is Americans working with Russians. No connection to Trump, until Smith blabbed that he was working for/with guess who. Mike Flynn while he was working for the Trump campaign. The story is not based on un-identified sources. It was a one on one interview with Peter Smith.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-ope...ynn-1498770851

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ussia-scandal/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...collusion.html

Plenty of folks following up on this now. Gonna just wait and see how this plays out. Interesting times.
You realize the first article from the WSJ states that the guy was trying to obtain already presumed to be hacked emails. Not that he wanted hackers to hack in for him. The the article throws in this little didy:

"likely by Russian hackers"

Un Fing believable. That is an opinion not a fact.

Then if you start to read the other articles, they are opinion articles based on the opinions of the first article. And folks, this is what we have for the press these days. This is why no one trusts them anymore.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-30-2017, 4:10 PM Reply   
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You realize the first article from the WSJ states that the guy was trying to obtain already presumed to be hacked emails. Not that he wanted hackers to hack in for him. The the article throws in this little didy
Correct, already hacked emails. I was quickly looking for more info regarding the WSJ reporting, all i found was the others. It has only been 1 day give it time. The WSJ article is investigative reporting the other two were added to help explain the original WSJ because you need an account to read the entire article on the WSJ site. The WSJ is not opinion it is a one on one interview with the man bankrolling the quest.
Old    deltahoosier            06-30-2017, 4:26 PM Reply   
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Correct, already hacked emails. I was quickly looking for more info regarding the WSJ reporting, all i found was the others. It has only been 1 day give it time. The WSJ article is investigative reporting the other two were added to help explain the original WSJ because you need an account to read the entire article on the WSJ site. The WSJ is not opinion it is a one on one interview with the man bankrolling the quest.
Though the WSJ tends to be more trustworthy, they already threw in opinion when they did the throw away line about the Russians. Then the other Article started to write about the Russians as stated in the WSJ article. Just horrible journalism all the way around.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-01-2017, 9:19 AM Reply   
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Not sure. Did he? I don't really listen to him. He seems to be over shouted by democrats saying the Russians hacked Hillary and the DNC and made Hillary lose the election. Between that and a bunch of leftist running around in skinny jeans being fascists while trying to say they are not fascists. Those seem to be the things I hear form the loudest. You know the people who are trying to stop him and the Republicans at all cost including murdering congressmen and burning down towns.

Beyond that I don't care. The enemy within is more dangerous right now.
Now that the savior has admitted it, will you?
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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-02-2017, 11:27 PM Reply   
So I get that the CNN wrestling video makes the role as president a joke but i expect that, to say that it incites violence is rediculous. On the other hand you would expect he would have other more important things to spend his time and energy on than feuding with the media but evidently not.

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Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-03-2017, 7:36 AM Reply   
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So I get that the CNN wrestling video makes the role as president a joke but i expect that, to say that it incites violence is rediculous. On the other hand you would expect he would have other more important things to spend his time and energy on than feuding with the media but evidently not.
On the whole, I would say you are right about inciting violence. But there is the possibility that a mentally unstable Trump supporter (and there are unstables regardless of political affiliation) could take it upon themselves to go after a reporter to please Trump. The way Trump has been going after Joe, Mika, and CNN is childish and unprecedented when it comes to acting presidential. He is potentially putting people's lives in danger because of his ego.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-03-2017, 8:54 AM Reply   
I don't think it incites violence any more that WWE itself does.

I do think it makes him look as dumb as WWE is.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-04-2017, 8:09 AM Reply   
Happy forth. This is a story in response to the crazy left. If you support the commie left go to your safe space today. Most of will be celebrating 241 years of truth and freedom.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-04-2017, 9:17 AM Reply   
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Happy forth. This is a story in response to the crazy left. If you support the commie left go to your safe space today. Most of will be celebrating 241 years of truth and freedom.
Just remember the right lost the civil war when you're celebrating today Dennis! Those pussy liberals won!
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-04-2017, 11:54 AM Reply   
Wow, she is hot as. I agree, people hyperventilating about a hot chick blah blahing about whatever is silly, just watch with the sound off, it's way better.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-08-2017, 12:25 PM Reply   
LOL
https://www.facebook.com/liberalloon...6116325103936/
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-08-2017, 12:40 PM Reply   
Only 2 types of liberals. Ignorant or Evil.
https://www.facebook.com/uscourier/v...8115690491617/
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-08-2017, 6:34 PM Reply   
And only one kind of Dennie...

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/07...-gravity-hoax/
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-09-2017, 12:29 PM Reply   
Looks like the G19+1 went well. All of the photos show Trump by himself where all the other leaders interact. Except when he is giving Putin a lap dance of course.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-09-2017, 11:28 PM Reply   
Soooooo, Trump Jnr takes a meeting with a Russian lawyer, under pretext that lawyer had damaging info about clinton. When turns out it was a rouse and only wanted to talk about Russian adoption, Trump Jnr gets the pip and cuts meeting short. Then later lies about meeting saying it was always about adoption. And Trump Snr knew nothing about it. Uh huh, seems legit. Does not pass the sniff test.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-10-2017, 7:45 AM Reply   
I have not tuned into this thread in quite a while. I'm simply over caring what you Libs have to say or your feelings are. What's making me post is that someone posted a video of the "Morning Joe" / Trump tweet news media fire storm. A few weeks ago you could not turn on the Tv with out this stupid a$$ nothing burger being shoved down your throat. Many other important issues were going on at the same time "Kate's Law" Health Care" and North Korea were all important issues and laws going on at the exact same time but all the news wanted to report on was these stupid a$$ tweets.
I have a few questions.
1. Now that's it's been a few weeks since the Morning Joe Tweet Media fire storm do you still have the same amount of fake outrage for that story? Or have you moved on to the Next or Most current Trump Media outrage?

My point is this Libs live to be fed a steady stream of Trump garbage and You seem to love it.


You check every food label to insure your not putting anything into your body that's not good! But you pull up to the all you can eat buffet to fill your minds with pure Trump garbage.
Old     (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       07-10-2017, 8:14 AM Reply   
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You check every food label to insure your not putting anything into your body that's not good! But you pull up to the all you can eat buffet to fill your minds with pure Trump garbage.
Trump is the garbage man, there's only discussion of the GARBAGE that comes from his sick psychotic mind. In other words the media reports on what HE says. Why is that so hard to understand?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-10-2017, 8:46 AM Reply   
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My point is this Libs live to be fed a steady stream of Trump garbage and You seem to love it.
G I think you do totally have a good point. Trump, in addition to being the President, is also clearly an attention whore (what other explanation for outrageous and incendiary tweets?). He's kind of like an honorary Kardashian. And the power he derives from it is directly related to people caring what he says. If we all COULD just ignore him, I think he really might go away and knock it off. But we can't because when we quit paying attention to him, he really does have the ability to get more and more outrageous in his quest for attention.

I kinda feel like he's probably addicted to "likes."
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-10-2017, 8:50 AM Reply   
Fake news is everywhere. I just watched a Fox News clip on Charlie Gard. At first I was like.. Oh, they are promoting a good story to help this kid get help. But I was suspicious because that's unlike Fox. Then it turned into exactly what I should have expected. They twisted the story into an attack on socialized medicine. But it was obvious to me that Charlie Gard would probably not lived for 5 months on free market heathcare. What HI company is going to pay for life support for 5 months for a baby that cannot move or breath and has a prognosis of certain death with no known cure? And if the parents didn't have HI, who believes the typical hospital is going to do it?

The news is f**ked up because it's a business and businesses only care about profit. What I find weird is the increase in accusations of fake news among people who are migrating to faker news. To the point that we elected a President who brought fake news to the executive office. One might think that the goal behind the President is to delegitimize all media that doesn't bow to his demands.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-10-2017, 9:10 AM Reply   
^^^ good point.
I hope what comes of all of this. "News for Profit" and CNN being ousted, is that the American people demand fair and balanced news storys.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-10-2017, 9:17 AM Reply   
aside from NPR what nonprofit news outlets are there?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-10-2017, 9:53 AM Reply   
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aside from NPR what nonprofit news outlets are there?
Christian Science Monitor is also nonprofit, it would appear: https://www.csmonitor.com/About
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-10-2017, 5:57 PM Reply   
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Only 2 types of liberals. Ignorant or Evil.
I don't think all republicans are childish simpletons, just you.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-10-2017, 6:06 PM Reply   
This dude is pretty perceptive for an Australian
https://youtu.be/0l-jvYcS0KQ
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-10-2017, 9:34 PM Reply   
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I don't think all republicans are childish simpletons, just you.
+1
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-11-2017, 8:07 AM Reply   
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^^^ good point.
I hope what comes of all of this. "News for Profit" and CNN being ousted, is that the American people demand fair and balanced news storys.
BS. You only deem "fair and balanced news storys (sic)" as stories that do not speak negatively of Trump. It's funny that guys like you (and Trump) that toss around the "fake news" stories tagline never man-up and explain when "fake news" stories turn out to be true.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas       07-11-2017, 8:15 AM Reply   
Yeah, fair and balanced stories like the Obama's grandma's 100k pension for life LOL. GTFOOH
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-11-2017, 10:37 AM Reply   
Wes and Ralph watch for your commie gym in your area. I am sure you guys would fit right in.

https://www.facebook.com/ProjectRepu...9661260666351/
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-11-2017, 11:37 AM Reply   
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Wes and Ralph watch for your commie gym in your area. I am sure you guys would fit right in.

https://www.facebook.com/ProjectRepu...9661260666351/
OK I watched the vid. What am I supposed to find offensive about that?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-11-2017, 11:57 AM Reply   
I'm more of a lover than a fighter.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-11-2017, 12:07 PM Reply   
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...imes&smtyp=cur
Makes Trumps " Obama knew in Nov" a bit ingenious. I hope purgery and treason charges get brought
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-11-2017, 12:42 PM Reply   
Don Jrs transparency is refreshing if somewhat misguided. The root of the defense seems to be "yeah but they didn't actually HAVE any Russian govt info." But it sure seems to suggest that the campaign was wide open to colluding with the Russians if the Russians had had any info to give. Complete bunch of amateurs.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-11-2017, 12:42 PM Reply   
Legal experts, Is Donny Jr. actually this stupid or am I missing something?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ldtrumpjr.html
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-11-2017, 12:49 PM Reply   
Yes. So not actually treason, just attempted treason. Phew, that was a close call.
Old    TheWakeIsReal            07-11-2017, 1:16 PM Reply   
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Don Jrs transparency is refreshing if somewhat misguided. The root of the defense seems to be "yeah but they didn't actually HAVE any Russian govt info." But it sure seems to suggest that the campaign was wide open to colluding with the Russians if the Russians had had any info to give. Complete bunch of amateurs.
Transparent? He was only transparent because he knew the Times had the emails and was going to release them in a few minutes. That's like cheating on your wife and texting her that you wanted to tell her to be honest while her friend who saw you cheating is on her way over to tell her.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-11-2017, 1:17 PM Reply   
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Transparent? He was only transparent because he knew the Times had the emails and was going to release them in a few minutes. That's like cheating on your wife and texting her that you wanted to tell her to be honest while her friend who saw you cheating is on her way over to tell her.
But he could've just as easily said "F U, talk to my lawyers." Instead he's basically said "oh you mean firearm with smoke coming out? Here ya go."
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-11-2017, 1:19 PM Reply   
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Yes. So not actually treason, just attempted treason. Phew, that was a close call.
I'm a simpleton but I'm not sure I see treason here. Dirt on a political opponent isn't really war on the United States, and I don't think it's giving "aid or comfort" to Russia either. I haven't read every treason case tho so I definitely could be wrong.

It sure does directly undermine the "no evidence of collusion" defense tho.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-11-2017, 1:33 PM Reply   
Working with Russian Lawyer with well know ties to the Kremlin to influence the election, It's a very fine line. Especially when Russia is notorious for manufacturing disinformation and manipulation. Certainly a long way from being a patriot.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-11-2017, 1:35 PM Reply   
Still, this will be water off a ducks back I'm sure. Just one of the many steps in making USA great again.
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