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Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-12-2016, 12:23 PM Reply   
The hardest part of selling my 2007 VLX was knowing that I wouldnt have a totally dialed in wake. That said I was hoping to get some pointers on best speed, weight, love/hate wedge. I have bags galore so if I need more front ballast not an issue. Also, my A22 is plumbed with the piggy backs in the rear and the horse shoe in the front.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-12-2016, 12:35 PM Reply   
which bags are in the rear? A great starting point would be 750 plug and play in each rear locker, and 400 lb fat sac in the bow (on top of the plug and play). I prefer not to run the wedge and to just load it with water ballast.

Also, the bow should be a mushroom shaped sac on a 2012.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-12-2016, 1:06 PM Reply   
Since speed was in your concern, I'm assuming your primary interest is wakeboarding not surfing.

If so, the 750s are too much IF you like to run the wedge. Personally I love the Wedge, it adds a little more lip and vert that you won't achieve with just bags. If you want to run the Wedge 450s are as big as you want to go. Otherwise you end up with half full bags and the "slosh effect".

I run the Wedge, plus stock tanks, plus the rear 450s and front horseshoe PNP.

Then we added another 500 in lead to the nose underneath the filler cushion, and a few hundred more scattered around the main cabin. I believe you'll like the wake more than your VLX.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-12-2016, 1:22 PM Reply   
shouldnt you have the 900 lbs mushroom up front? if not add that.

running twin 450s and 650 bow sac in the T 22 works well w/ wedge. not sure if that applies to the A.

Last edited by simplej; 07-12-2016 at 1:26 PM.
Old     (Bam6961)      Join Date: Apr 2011       07-12-2016, 9:46 PM Reply   
Simple, get it to look like this at :12 seconds

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Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-13-2016, 6:46 AM Reply   
I know its got the big bags for the piggy backs in the rear. As far as the front ballast it appears to come back into that mid section where the seats flip forward and back. I got the boat at 1030 last night and havent been able to go hog wild into tearing around in it yet... dont worry im taking off from work early today I will keep you posted what I find!
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-13-2016, 6:51 AM Reply   
Also primarily concerned about wakeboard wake!
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-13-2016, 7:37 AM Reply   
Sounds like you definitely have the correct bow sac. I would recommend just loading it up with plug and play and seeing what it does. Then play with it from there. Try with abs without wedge. Try with and without more now weight. Etc...
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-14-2016, 9:51 AM Reply   
So i definitely have the big boy 750s in both rear lockers. I additionally have a massive front sack (undetermined as it runs under flip up seats and goes on into the abyss ). That said whats best in determining when to cut these beasts of for water. One thing the ol VLX was true on was telling me exact ballast levels (minor diva). Also, whats the trick for getting all the plug and plays to drain too?
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-14-2016, 9:53 AM Reply   
fill them all up, no wedge, put a 400 in the bow

It'll plane if you have a 15" prop
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-14-2016, 10:08 AM Reply   
Currently rocking:

ACME 1235 4 Blade 14.5" x 14.25" Propeller
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-14-2016, 10:21 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
Currently rocking:

ACME 1235 4 Blade 14.5" x 14.25" Propeller
Probably won't plane in that case ... I would fill it, attempt to plane. Then just drain the rears until it get's on plane.

Then get on wakemakers and get a 2315 or 2419
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-14-2016, 10:30 AM Reply   
It came with the "upgraded" at time of purchase from dealer cinco 5 blade prop... thoughts on that one?
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-14-2016, 10:37 AM Reply   
no wedge it might plane off...

Assuming the 5.7?

cinco may be worth a shot
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-14-2016, 11:00 AM Reply   
Its the vandall edition and came with the standard 335hp. Its been hard coming down from my 06 VLX which has 400hp.

I am taking it for its first board session tonight, so will take a photo of what ends up happening!~

Last edited by TC_Mastercraf_X5; 07-14-2016 at 11:02 AM. Reason: added text
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-20-2016, 6:06 PM Reply   
The boat is able to get on plane with 1235 prop, but will likely switch over to cinco prop when its back from the shop. I feel like my wake with front ballast, stock center ballast, rear stocks, and plug and play 600? has resulted in a very soft wake. There is like not lip or kick to it at all. Any thoughts on getting this elusive rampy but kicky wake back?
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-20-2016, 7:06 PM Reply   
don't get a cinco prop. get a 15 inch prop, either 2315 or 2419.

To get it firm and lippy, try throwing down the wedge.
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-20-2016, 7:22 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardjnky4 View Post
don't get a cinco prop. get a 15 inch prop, either 2315 or 2419.

To get it firm and lippy, try throwing down the wedge.
As an A22 owner I agree.
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-20-2016, 7:28 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
The boat is able to get on plane with 1235 prop, but will likely switch over to cinco prop when its back from the shop. I feel like my wake with front ballast, stock center ballast, rear stocks, and plug and play 600? has resulted in a very soft wake. There is like not lip or kick to it at all. Any thoughts on getting this elusive rampy but kicky wake back?
I have a 2014 A22 so I have the same hull as you...also same motor. Boardjnky is correct. Get the 2315 or oj945 prop. I am running the oj945 but my backup is the 2315. Drop the wedge, put about 500lbs in each of the rear sacs, full arrow sac, full stock ballast, and 400lbs in the bow. If it doesn't get to plain, drain a little out of the rear. Trust me. You will not have an issue with the wake.
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-21-2016, 4:47 AM Reply   
I will give it a shot this morning!

Only reason I mentioned the cinco is that is what came on the boat.
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-21-2016, 6:23 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
I will give it a shot this morning!

Only reason I mentioned the cinco is that is what came on the boat.
Let us know what you think.
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-22-2016, 5:51 AM Reply   
Dropped the wedge on my run last night and made a night vs day difference. Gave the wake alot more lip which is something I really enjoyed on the ol VLX.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-22-2016, 6:37 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
Dropped the wedge on my run last night and made a night vs day difference. Gave the wake alot more lip which is something I really enjoyed on the ol VLX.
Yep, everyone has their own preferences. If you SLAM it with ballast (no wedge), you can recreate the firmness and lip. You just have to play with it.

Either way, it's hard to screw it up and get a bad wake out of it.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-22-2016, 8:37 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
Dropped the wedge on my run last night and made a night vs day difference. Gave the wake alot more lip which is something I really enjoyed on the ol VLX.
Me too
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-22-2016, 10:34 AM Reply   
I am a wedge guy myself as well
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-24-2016, 2:41 PM Reply   
Thoughts on the ACME Boat Prop Model 2247 ?
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-26-2016, 8:16 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TC_Mastercraf_X5 View Post
Thoughts on the ACME Boat Prop Model 2247 ?
You're going to want a 15x12 prop. Acme 2315 and Acme 2419 are the most popular

I have the 2315 on my A20. It will really push a serious amount of weight around.
Old     (timelinex)      Join Date: Oct 2014       07-26-2016, 10:12 AM Reply   
I have a 2007 Malibu 23lsv and always use the wedge while wakeboarding. I got a quick question for you guys though.

The last owner put bolts into the bottom lock of the wedge so it 'floats' rather than locks in place on the bottom. Is there a big difference between having it floating or locked in?
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-26-2016, 11:01 AM Reply   
Yes, you definitely want it floating. at full down I believe it will create lift
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-26-2016, 11:44 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by timelinex View Post
I have a 2007 Malibu 23lsv and always use the wedge while wakeboarding. I got a quick question for you guys though.

The last owner put bolts into the bottom lock of the wedge so it 'floats' rather than locks in place on the bottom. Is there a big difference between having it floating or locked in?
You want might want to ask Malibu about that. There have been several iterations of the wedge. The one you have may not be intended to run in a floating application. I'm not saying it won't work, but it may not be structurally built to float.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-26-2016, 11:47 AM Reply   
07 and newer is floating wedge. The bolt is there from the factory. Even the new axis boats have the bolt there, to act as a bump stop.
Old     (timelinex)      Join Date: Oct 2014       07-26-2016, 2:00 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by boardjnky4 View Post
07 and newer is floating wedge. The bolt is there from the factory. Even the new axis boats have the bolt there, to act as a bump stop.
Your sure that the bolt is supposed to be there from 07 and not 08? I thought my 07 was the last 23lsv before the generation and hull change?

How can I tell if I have a legit floating wedge or one that's meant to lock?
Old     (timelinex)      Join Date: Oct 2014       07-26-2016, 2:21 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardjnky4 View Post
07 and newer is floating wedge. The bolt is there from the factory. Even the new axis boats have the bolt there, to act as a bump stop.
Your right. I just checked and mine is the updated OEM floater and not the foxed one. I guess I just assumed they did all the updates in 2008.

Thanks for the info and setting me straight.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       07-26-2016, 5:55 PM Reply   
Glad you figured it out!
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-26-2016, 6:04 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardjnky4 View Post
You're going to want a 15x12 prop. Acme 2315 and Acme 2419 are the most popular

I have the 2315 on my A20. It will really push a serious amount of weight around.
Listen to this guy. I run basically the same setup and engine as you and it will give you the most bang for your buck. Buy once, cry once. Us axis owners have figured it out for the most part.
Old     (norcalbordr)      Join Date: Feb 2006       08-13-2016, 8:54 AM Reply   
I weight my 2015 A22 pretty much exactly like J-Rod weights his. The extra lead in the bow makes a big difference in getting the boat to plane out with all of the rear weight and wedge dragging down the back end. I've also played around with not filling up the rear 450's with all of the front ballast and just the wedge and I actually really liked the shape of the wake.
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       08-18-2016, 8:03 PM Reply   
Tried the cinco prop over the weekend with her fully ballasted out... it was a total dud! Looks like its time for a new prop!

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