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Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 1:44 PM Reply   
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Curious what the hive thinks about the idea of a vaccine passport for being allowed to patronize businesses/events that require one? Mike Lee seems to support letting private businesses require them and allowing the market to decide whether it's a good idea, while Rick Desantis says that they are a non-starter period.

I don't have a fully formed (or informed) opinion on the issue and I'm curious to hear what people are thinking...?
Only if there is a letter or symbol we could put on the non-desirable so we can pick them out of the crowd.....
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-01-2021, 9:01 PM Reply   
Science once again winning

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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-02-2021, 6:54 AM Reply   
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Science once again winning

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Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       04-02-2021, 4:57 AM Reply   
My body, my choice. It works for killing unborn babies, so why not keep it going?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 2:00 PM Reply   
MLB now moving the all star game based on Bidens lies. Sounds like AT&T, Coke, Delta Airlines, American Airlines are lining up behind bidens lies. They American Airlines people even admitted they have not read the law.

The destruction of society is close. Getting rid of Directv this weekend. Too many leftist programing anyway. Good thing I like Pepsi and eating out is getting too much anyway so it will be easy to avoid places that sell Coke. Ditching Disney too. Getting over these fascists. Never really came back to baseball after the strike the fake fits on steroids that actually saved that sport. Done for good with them. My family was all about baseball 3 of us played in college. Done with it.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-02-2021, 2:20 PM Reply   
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MLB now moving the all star game based on Bidens lies. Sounds like AT&T, Coke, Delta Airlines, American Airlines are lining up behind bidens lies. They American Airlines people even admitted they have not read the law.

The destruction of society is close. Getting rid of Directv this weekend. Too many leftist programing anyway. Good thing I like Pepsi and eating out is getting too much anyway so it will be easy to avoid places that sell Coke. Ditching Disney too. Getting over these fascists. Never really came back to baseball after the strike the fake fits on steroids that actually saved that sport. Done for good with them. My family was all about baseball 3 of us played in college. Done with it.

What sports are left for you now? Just NASCAR?
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 2:23 PM Reply   
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What sports are left for you now? Just NASCAR?
Never watched NASCAR. Done with sports. Just going to do more family things and go shooting more.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-02-2021, 2:26 PM Reply   
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Never watched NASCAR. Done with sports. Just going to do more family things and go shooting more.

If they sell em at the sporting goods store shooting is a sport delta!

Get on a bicycle if you get a chance. Great for clearing your head of the worlds nonsense.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 3:11 PM Reply   
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If they sell em at the sporting goods store shooting is a sport delta!

Get on a bicycle if you get a chance. Great for clearing your head of the worlds nonsense.
I have a couple decent bikes.

I actually built up 4 rifles the last month because kalifornia has pretty much ran all the gun shops out of business. One had been here since well before I moved to kalifornia 31 years ago. I saw that and I was all in. Between that and the state forcing you to own a gun to buy ammo. Well, it does not matter that I already had bought guns in this state. It is you had to have one bought in the last 5 years and on record at your current residence. So I had to buy 2 more guns so the wife and I could buy ammo. I bought a chassis rifle that should be able to shoot 1000 yards out of the box (now if the shooter can is a different story). wife picked up a nice chassis 22LR that is able to shoot quarters at 100 yards. Rebuild one of my AR's because the state decided to turn us all into felons so I change the 3 items on it and now it is featureless by law and now legal which now allows me to use all those detachable mags without having to use a tool like before. Put a new gas piston upper on it. Built up my other lower I had for a decade and made it into a 9mm rifle. Got vortex optics of various sorts for all of them and I am ready to roll. Figured out how and who can legally ship ammo to kalifornia so I got a few boxes of that.

Sometimes I wonder if gun manufactures don't troll kalifornia like the dirty green energy business to scam the system to drive sales.
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 3:16 PM Reply   
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If they sell em at the sporting goods store shooting is a sport delta!
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I see what you did there. Is that what they called it in Vietnam?
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-02-2021, 3:22 PM Reply   
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What sports are left for you now? Just NASCAR?
Nah. They already got that with woke Bubbas fake noose debacle.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-02-2021, 3:23 PM Reply   
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Nah. They already got that with woke Bubbas fake noose debacle.

Rodeo will be safe for you guys for a while.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-03-2021, 10:29 AM Reply   
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MLB now moving the all star game based on Bidens lies. Sounds like AT&T, Coke, Delta Airlines, American Airlines are lining up behind bidens lies. They American Airlines people even admitted they have not read the law.

The destruction of society is close. Getting rid of Directv this weekend. Too many leftist programing anyway. Good thing I like Pepsi and eating out is getting too much anyway so it will be easy to avoid places that sell Coke. Ditching Disney too. Getting over these fascists. Never really came back to baseball after the strike the fake fits on steroids that actually saved that sport. Done for good with them. My family was all about baseball 3 of us played in college. Done with it.
They are moving the AS game due to Georgia's restrictive new voting laws, not from anything Biden said. We just completed the 2020 election with more people voting than anytime in history, no fraud at all. All recounts and investigations show it was one of the cleanest elections ever. What is the reason to change voting laws and reduce options proved to work fairly? Simple republican voter suppression. Every state trying to pass these laws will pay in the court of public opinion and corporate dollars. Congrats on cutting the cord on Direct, its a popular move, hope you save some cash.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 2:23 PM Reply   
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They are moving the AS game due to Georgia's restrictive new voting laws, not from anything Biden said. We just completed the 2020 election with more people voting than anytime in history, no fraud at all. All recounts and investigations show it was one of the cleanest elections ever. What is the reason to change voting laws and reduce options proved to work fairly? Simple republican voter suppression. Every state trying to pass these laws will pay in the court of public opinion and corporate dollars. Congrats on cutting the cord on Direct, its a popular move, hope you save some cash.
NO FRAUD AT ALL. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I can’t tell if that’s from the lack of oxygen to your brain through your 8 masks or if you’re just completely high.


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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-03-2021, 2:57 PM Reply   
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NO FRAUD AT ALL. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I can’t tell if that’s from the lack of oxygen to your brain through your 8 masks or if you’re just completely high.


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60+ lawsuit losses is calling you a liar. In addition, every republican controlled state double checked, they recounted, ran investigations and came up with zero fraud. How did those crafty dems possibly pull this off? Im sure with your extra oxygen can explain it...or its another lie added to your scorecard. When you have more people voting its called democracy, when you create laws that restrict voting, especially in specific districts who vote democratic its voter suppression. Why make rules that will cause more people in areas that vote D to wait longer in line to vote and then out law handing them a drink of water while they wait? There was no problem in the previous election, they just want to make it harder for brown people to vote because R's know their policies are unpopular and would lose at the polls in a fair election. Thus no AS game in ATL.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 4:25 PM Reply   
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60+ lawsuit losses is calling you a liar. In addition, every republican controlled state double checked, they recounted, ran investigations and came up with zero fraud. How did those crafty dems possibly pull this off? Im sure with your extra oxygen can explain it...or its another lie added to your scorecard. When you have more people voting its called democracy, when you create laws that restrict voting, especially in specific districts who vote democratic its voter suppression. Why make rules that will cause more people in areas that vote D to wait longer in line to vote and then out law handing them a drink of water while they wait? There was no problem in the previous election, they just want to make it harder for brown people to vote because R's know their policies are unpopular and would lose at the polls in a fair election. Thus no AS game in ATL.
Why is it wrong to require and iD to vote.

Suspiciously absent from all your banter and bull**** is your explanation of the all the violence plaguing this nation due to the democratic policies. Cant blame Trump , so you have no comment per usual. Your track record is phenomenal. Only respond to you can spew nonsensical crap about Trump. It’s so predictable. Keep thinking it’s 100 percent legit. Sure our election is completely legit.

Applying for unemployment benefits requires triple the identification. And the fraud there is estimated at 47-55 percent. Keep fooling yourself. You were the same guy calling fraud when Trump won. It’s hysterical now all
Of a sudden it’s legit
Old     (DeltaHoosier)      Join Date: Mar 2018       04-02-2021, 4:47 PM Reply   
and just like Shawn and others fake outrage about the budgets disappeared after biden proposed his green new scam budget, the guy who rammed his car into the capital turns out to be a black Farrakhan supporter. Don't worry everyone. Guy was not white. Topic moved to page 27 under men looking for men adds in the local rag.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-02-2021, 5:33 PM Reply   
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and just like Shawn and others fake outrage about the budgets disappeared after biden proposed his green new scam budget, the guy who rammed his car into the capital turns out to be a black Farrakhan supporter. Don't worry everyone. Guy was not white. Topic moved to page 27 under men looking for men adds in the local rag.
definitely biden's fault Delta. That was a very succinct connection of the dots.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-02-2021, 5:42 PM Reply   
Just look at all these woke democratic policies in action.

Geee who would’ve made the connection that the war on police leads to more crime. Apparently not those dummy’s in Portland. Maybe they should add more safe spaces . Murders and violent crime skyrocketing so much the PPD can’t even keep
Up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/po...?ocid=msedgntp
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-03-2021, 8:00 AM Reply   
Looks like a Black man, killed a white police officer in DC, sad, now will the riots begin? Is this the time we all go burn down a town or city? Isn't that the way its suppose to work?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-03-2021, 8:24 AM Reply   
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Looks like a Black man, killed a white police officer in DC, sad, now will the riots begin? Is this the time we all go burn down a town or city? Isn't that the way its suppose to work?
Yes, we should all be outraged that they let that black man go free to live with God instead of forcing him to go back to whatever crappy life he had here.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-03-2021, 8:47 AM Reply   
White Lives Matter! Well, sort of or not really actually.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 10:23 AM Reply   
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white lives matter! Well, sort of or not really actually.
racist
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 10:32 AM Reply   
Here’s those white supremacists committing more mass shootings against blacks 7 shot 3 dead.. ..........

Oh wait the shooters black. Non story. Carry on


One would think there would be a nationalized push hold gun offenders and shooters accountable to the highest standards to prevent this .........nope instead the push is how can we set them free with no bail.

https://www.wect.com/2021/04/03/mass...ot-three-dead/

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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 11:18 AM Reply   
Love to hear the left explain this clown show

https://www.google.com/amp/s/meaww.c...s-when-nervous



Laughing at the topic of illegals being taught in person in the same county their legal citizens are not. Didn’t realize child education was a laughing matter at a time that has record number of children failing achool and struggling to survive mentally. Yea this is their response.

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Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-03-2021, 1:36 PM Reply   
95s
I don't agree about the voter suppression. That's the left brainwashing it's base.
There is absolutely NO reason for not having voter ID's.

Vote in person with an ID. Limit mail in and absentee voting to those that have an urgent need......done
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-03-2021, 1:42 PM Reply   
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95s
I don't agree about the voter suppression. That's the left brainwashing it's base.
There is absolutely NO reason for not having voter ID's.

Vote in person with an ID. Limit mail in and absentee voting to those that have an urgent need......done

Cliff would you be OK with Election Day being a holiday?
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 2:19 PM Reply   
Geee more hard data Biden’s policies are failures


His entire party’s running platform based off BLM and SJW’s doing a bang up job in 2020.

I love how these articles pretend like they’re shocked at the results. Look at the great model of the nation from these 66 major urban areas and their democratic platforms .




https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/03/us/us...020/index.html
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-03-2021, 2:32 PM Reply   
The circus must go on. Everyone should get the vaccine we have no clue about. Test the vaccine still changes nothing. Is anyone buying this nonsense?


https://thehill.com/changing-america...ple-are-no?amp


I mean why believe the data

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...virus.amp.html
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-04-2021, 6:16 AM Reply   
a holiday. I don't see a problem with that

If the argument is that there is no need for a voter ID, well, that's one thing. But my comment is that a voter ID isn't racist or suppression.


Take all past elections out of the discussion.

If a voter ID takes the fraud argument away, what's the big deal?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-04-2021, 9:09 AM Reply   
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a holiday. I don't see a problem with that

If the argument is that there is no need for a voter ID, well, that's one thing. But my comment is that a voter ID isn't racist or suppression.


Take all past elections out of the discussion.

If a voter ID takes the fraud argument away, what's the big deal?
Doesnt seem like a big deal does it, I mean everyone has an ID. Except everyone doesnt. Voting is a right. I read a study the other day...
"Those who advocate for voter ID laws claim they prevent in-person voter fraud, but this is a myth. In person voter fraud is extremely rare. In a 2014 study, only 31 cases were found out of more than 1 billion ballots cast in elections from 2000-2014. And those 31 included any and all credible claims, not just prosecutions and convictions."
31 cases out of over a billion votes. That tells me it is not an issue. Taking away the right to vote from millions of voters is a problem.
https://indivisible.org/resource/vot...-come-barriers

Requiring ID is vote suppression. Its trying to solve a problem that simply doesnt exist. Unless you consider 31 out of a billion a problem? Is it? Why do so many conservatives believe that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election? What leads them to that conclusion? Where are the facts? Why is there lack of trust in our election process? Who is creating the distrust? Over 300 new laws in process coming from republican led states legislatures after we had more people legally voting in history? Where's the beef? The claims made by Trump and his attys were the fraud. Sidney Powell, Rudy, FOX News... all being sued for billion$ by Dominion Voting Systems.
That fraud is provable.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-04-2021, 2:35 PM Reply   
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Doesnt seem like a big deal does it, I mean everyone has an ID. Except everyone doesnt. Voting is a right. I read a study the other day...
"Those who advocate for voter ID laws claim they prevent in-person voter fraud, but this is a myth. In person voter fraud is extremely rare. In a 2014 study, only 31 cases were found out of more than 1 billion ballots cast in elections from 2000-2014. And those 31 included any and all credible claims, not just prosecutions and convictions."
31 cases out of over a billion votes. That tells me it is not an issue. Taking away the right to vote from millions of voters is a problem.
https://indivisible.org/resource/vot...-come-barriers

Requiring ID is vote suppression. Its trying to solve a problem that simply doesnt exist. Unless you consider 31 out of a billion a problem? Is it? Why do so many conservatives believe that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election? What leads them to that conclusion? Where are the facts? Why is there lack of trust in our election process? Who is creating the distrust? Over 300 new laws in process coming from republican led states legislatures after we had more people legally voting in history? Where's the beef? The claims made by Trump and his attys were the fraud. Sidney Powell, Rudy, FOX News... all being sued for billion$ by Dominion Voting Systems.
That fraud is provable.
Lets just send out ID to everyone who has an address, or a social security number the says legal non drivers ID. Use the government tax database. and problem solves, unless you are illegally here

you cant get a Vaccine without an ID, so you cant do anything without an ID. Lets stop the ID issues, its not an Issue its a loop hole to get illegal voters or repeat votes at the box.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-04-2021, 6:03 PM Reply   
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Lets just send out ID to everyone who has an address, or a social security number the says legal non drivers ID. Use the government tax database. and problem solves, unless you are illegally here

you cant get a Vaccine without an ID, so you cant do anything without an ID. Lets stop the ID issues, its not an Issue its a loop hole to get illegal voters or repeat votes at the box.
Youre saying that with absolutely zero evidence of voter fraud from illegal voters, ever. Youre saying there is a problem without any actual proof there is a problem. Show how this is an actual real life issue or its simply a myth. There is no voter fraud issue in USA elections. Same way they are making voter suppression laws although no voting issues were uncovered. There was more scrutiny on the last election than any election in history, agree?... yet no one came up with any voting machine errors, fraud, ID fraud, dead people voting....virtually nothing.
FYI they are vaccinating the entire homeless population in LA area, (probably elsewhere too) no one needs an ID.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-05-2021, 4:53 AM Reply   
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Youre saying that with absolutely zero evidence of voter fraud from illegal voters, ever. Youre saying there is a problem without any actual proof there is a problem. Show how this is an actual real life issue or its simply a myth. There is no voter fraud issue in USA elections. Same way they are making voter suppression laws although no voting issues were uncovered. There was more scrutiny on the last election than any election in history, agree?... yet no one came up with any voting machine errors, fraud, ID fraud, dead people voting....virtually nothing.
FYI they are vaccinating the entire homeless population in LA area, (probably elsewhere too) no one needs an ID.
Your saying there is no fraud, so there is no issue with an ID! If everyone is on the up and up, why would you call an ID suppression? And if you can get a vaccine in LA, without an ID, then why would we need a vaccine card for the future? How do you plan on recording all the homeless, that "based on previous arguments" they are not homeless, just temporarily without a home. Those mentally ill and drug addicted are going to go back to normal life? Isn't this just an evil right wing creation, pushing drug users and mentally Ill to the sanctuary city?

Now we are back to the beginning, homeless are a cause of regulations, so without drug regulations, the homeless issue cleans itself up? or is this not the case? Isn't Biden and Harris going to fix everything? Without an ID, they won't be able to buy food or go into any establishment, as the push is to create private pressure, for establishments, to create their own laws requiring ID, also know as a Vaccine Card. (the is part of our new cancel culture propaganda) I have mine Vaccine card, it has my information on it.. Also it required ID. My wife got her first last week. Walgreens, required ID. the 2 immigrants in front of her, had to show a passport, ID I should have recorded it!

Every year my wife and I have to send the local school district proof of residence. Every year! Also you cannot get utilities without ID! So lets look at it for what it is. Yes, people who are illegal are getting government programs! Most to house them, feed them, give them utilities and start mainstreaming them into our country! I am not against humanity! I am against corruption!

Even some states offer illegal immigrants, the ability to get legal drivers licenses! So lets look at the problem for what it is. Corruption!
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-04-2021, 6:32 AM Reply   
Absent among all this voter ID BS is the fact that I can transfer money between financial institutions online, but I can't vote online. If the issue of voter suppression is that you have to show up in person with an ID during limited hours and limited locations that make it very hard for people in certain demographics, then why not have online voting? Secure voting online would eliminate the biggest part of the voter suppression issue, which IMO is not having to have an ID, but having to appear in person because that's the only way to verify that you have an ID. But that gets distorted into the fake issue of people somehow not having IDs.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-04-2021, 9:14 AM Reply   
people have been advocating voter id long before this last election

Why is it that the dems were pushing for a covid vaccination card and felt that that was okay, but not a voter id card?

I see reasonable suspicion from the right, that suspect that the left wants open borders and no voter id , to increase their base. You might not agree, but the arguments are compelling
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-04-2021, 10:31 AM Reply   
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people have been advocating voter id long before this last election

Why is it that the dems were pushing for a covid vaccination card and felt that that was okay, but not a voter id card?

I see reasonable suspicion from the right, that suspect that the left wants open borders and no voter id , to increase their base. You might not agree, but the arguments are compelling
The study was 2000-2014. And still it isnt a real issue. Maybe you can find support for your theory voter fraud IS an issue.
Comparing covid vacs and voter Ids isnt really rational, 2 completely diff things. One is a right all americans have, the other something one does to help fight an out of control virus in a once in a hundred years pandemic. Vaccine is to get back to "normal". Isnt that what we all want? Back to normal life and economy? The vaccine is the plan. One could argue it is a patriotic duty to get vaccinated and to vote. No ID required to get a vac. I just got my first shot on Friday.
Immigrants cant vote, if you come to US illegally there isnt a path to citizenship, ie a way to vote. If you come in legally there is a long path to become a citizen. There may be arguments, im not convinced they are compelling or factual. How does it work? Where has it happened?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-04-2021, 1:06 PM Reply   
Personally I see no reason to not have voter ID but equally I don't think voter fraud is a significant issue.
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-04-2021, 6:34 PM Reply   
please explain how requiring a voter id is
A) racist
B) suppression
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-04-2021, 9:53 PM Reply   
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Absent among all this voter ID BS is the fact that I can transfer money between financial institutions online, but I can't vote online. If the issue of voter suppression is that you have to show up in person with an ID during limited hours and limited locations that make it very hard for people in certain demographics, then why not have online voting? Secure voting online would eliminate the biggest part of the voter suppression issue, which IMO is not having to have an ID, but having to appear in person because that's the only way to verify that you have an ID. But that gets distorted into the fake issue of people somehow not having IDs.
Ladies and gentlemen

The idiot of the day award goes to ............95SN


Hey dumbass , banks require multiple forms of identification to open accounts. I bet banks are now racist too.


No fraud in America .......ok.

Only around 600 self-identified non-U.S. citizens were mistakenly registered to vote through the state’s new automatic registration systems. OOOOOOPS. THERE GOES YOUR NO FRAUD CLAIM . States can’t even register people properly. The dead have been voting here in Chicago for years. Those are just the numbers they’ll admit too. Spare me your nonsense.


Furthermore every urban epicenter is littered with free transportation for minorities to the polls. Hell in Chicago they drive tour buses to the voting machines straight from the hood. Voting busses are shipped to every major minority community to register day of new voters and then take them to vote right there. . No ID no problem. Nobody can be refused. You know what my rural elderly in- laws got to get them to the polls ...........nothing. Oh sorry they’re in a rural prodominately, white , Republican area. No extra funding for your buses.

The only racism in voting is the amount of money spent by the state and city to get minorities to the polls while doing nothing for the predominantly white rural communities of the state.


Anyone who states there’s no voter fraud in this country is an idiot. The simplest way to eliminate the discussion , and keep the results as honest as possible , is to require an ID , that’s the quickest and most effective way to win your argument of no fraud. Yet here you are making arguments for the contrary. Making your argument for a process that increases those odds. Seems real sane.

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Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-05-2021, 6:59 AM Reply   
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Hey dumbass , banks require multiple forms of identification to open accounts.
No s**t Sherlock. If you didn't have such diminished reading comprehension you could see I was saying that it isn't an issue of having an ID. Not only that but it seems like you don't even know who you are responding to, and mixing up the content of multiple posts in your reply.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-05-2021, 8:32 AM Reply   
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No s**t Sherlock. If you didn't have such diminished reading comprehension you could see I was saying that it isn't an issue of having an ID. Not only that but it seems like you don't even know who you are responding to, and mixing up the content of multiple posts in your reply.
Yea I did. I’ll take the idiot of the day award there. What I get for multitasking. . Apologies



However our mayor takes it for today.

13 yr old shooting at rival gang members , get chased by police , pulls gun from his waist at police , gets shot once in chest , dead , while holding a gun , and somehow it’s the police’s fault for chasing an armed subject that was just actively shooting at a rival gang.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/polit...mpression=true
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-05-2021, 9:24 AM Reply   
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Yea I did. I’ll take the idiot of the day award there. What I get for multitasking. . Apologies
I think in most if not every state you have to have an ID to register to vote. IMO the issue of voter suppression is not about having an ID, but having to show up every time you vote to produce the ID. The suppression issue stems from access to voting sites. If you adjust the available times and locations, you can suppress particular groups of voters. Most everyone has internet access either at home or on their phone. The only demographic that probably doesn't is the elderly.

In the last election I requested a mail in ballot and dropped it off in a box at the early voting center. I could have mailed it but the center was a block from my house, and it ensured the ballot arrived on time. I like the ability to use mail in ballots and don't want to see it eliminated unless online voting becomes available. It can be done securely just like financial transactions, and it would encourage people to vote because of the convenience.

It seems odd to me that this isn't on anyone's radar. Just as it seems odd that people concerned about election security aren't interested in a central federal database of state voting results that could be cross referenced against SS and IRS databases for exposing potential fraud. I.E. deceased voters, duplicate votes, or even votes from locations that aren't seen as resident address in SS and tax filings.

The fact that it isn't on the radar of our representatives sowing the seeds of election security concern makes me think that security is less the issue and the goal is suppression.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-05-2021, 9:40 AM Reply   
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I think in most if not every state you have to have an ID to register to vote. IMO the issue of voter suppression is not about having an ID, but having to show up every time you vote to produce the ID. The suppression issue stems from access to voting sites. If you adjust the available times and locations, you can suppress particular groups of voters. Most everyone has internet access either at home or on their phone. The only demographic that probably doesn't is the elderly.

In the last election I requested a mail in ballot and dropped it off in a box at the early voting center. I could have mailed it but the center was a block from my house, and it ensured the ballot arrived on time. I like the ability to use mail in ballots and don't want to see it eliminated unless online voting becomes available. It can be done securely just like financial transactions, and it would encourage people to vote because of the convenience.

It seems odd to me that this isn't on anyone's radar. Just as it seems odd that people concerned about election security aren't interested in a central federal database of state voting results that could be cross referenced against SS and IRS databases for exposing potential fraud. I.E. deceased voters, duplicate votes, or even votes from locations that aren't seen as resident address in SS and tax filings.

The fact that it isn't on the radar of our representatives sowing the seeds of election security concern makes me think that security is less the issue and the goal is suppression.
We should make it a single day, show up in person, and vote with an ID. All problems solved. You cannot make it any simpler. Have the voting open for 24hrs, then everyone can vote around their work, or for the non working welfare, system driven folks, they can come at any time and if they cannot go to a polling center, they request a legal, ID verified, absentee ballot 60 to 90 days prior to the election.

So simple!
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-05-2021, 11:53 PM Reply   
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I think in most if not every state you have to have an ID to register to vote. IMO the issue of voter suppression is not about having an ID, but having to show up every time you vote to produce the ID. The suppression issue stems from access to voting sites. If you adjust the available times and locations, you can suppress particular groups of voters. Most everyone has internet access either at home or on their phone. The only demographic that probably doesn't is the elderly.

In the last election I requested a mail in ballot and dropped it off in a box at the early voting center. I could have mailed it but the center was a block from my house, and it ensured the ballot arrived on time. I like the ability to use mail in ballots and don't want to see it eliminated unless online voting becomes available. It can be done securely just like financial transactions, and it would encourage people to vote because of the convenience.

It seems odd to me that this isn't on anyone's radar. Just as it seems odd that people concerned about election security aren't interested in a central federal database of state voting results that could be cross referenced against SS and IRS databases for exposing potential fraud. I.E. deceased voters, duplicate votes, or even votes from locations that aren't seen as resident address in SS and tax filings.

The fact that it isn't on the radar of our representatives sowing the seeds of election security concern makes me think that security is less the issue and the goal is suppression.

Online banking fraud is fastest growing cyber crime in the world right now. Identify theft has been an issue for some time. The amount of data breeches and stoking information on the web is astronomical. 9800 sworn officers in our depertment , the latest update
Over 3600 were the victims of fraudulent unemployment claims, that number should be close to topping out here shortly as tax season comes to a close . That’s overt a 1/3 of the officers employed by the City of Chicago that have fell victim to this. That’s not including the other departments such as water , street and San , fire , and CDOT. One would think the money being handed out by the federal government would have some of the highest security standards available , Would you not . Some of the most recent estimates most around mid 40%, but some as high as 50 percent of the unemployment benefits paid out are listed as false ?


Sorry .......a web based , all automated , voting system on the web is leaving us more unsafe at the voter box than we currently are.

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Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-05-2021, 9:36 AM Reply   
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Ladies and gentlemen

The idiot of the day award goes to ............95SN


Hey dumbass , banks require multiple forms of identification to open accounts. I bet banks are now racist too.


No fraud in America .......ok.

Only around 600 self-identified non-U.S. citizens were mistakenly registered to vote through the state’s new automatic registration systems. OOOOOOPS. THERE GOES YOUR NO FRAUD CLAIM . States can’t even register people properly. The dead have been voting here in Chicago for years. Those are just the numbers they’ll admit too. Spare me your nonsense.


Furthermore every urban epicenter is littered with free transportation for minorities to the polls. Hell in Chicago they drive tour buses to the voting machines straight from the hood. Voting busses are shipped to every major minority community to register day of new voters and then take them to vote right there. . No ID no problem. Nobody can be refused. You know what my rural elderly in- laws got to get them to the polls ...........nothing. Oh sorry they’re in a rural prodominately, white , Republican area. No extra funding for your buses.


The only racism in voting is the amount of money spent by the state and city to get minorities to the polls while doing nothing for the predominantly white rural communities of the state.


Anyone who states there’s no voter fraud in this country is an idiot. The simplest way to eliminate the discussion , and keep the results as honest as possible , is to require an ID , that’s the quickest and most effective way to win your argument of no fraud. Yet here you are making arguments for the contrary. Making your argument for a process that increases those odds. Seems real sane.
Mistakes in registration that are caught are not voter fraud, they never voted.
Your favorite right wing conservative think tank disagrees with you. 1300 cases of voter fraud across the entire country. How you gonna change results with 1300 fraudulent votes across the country? Are you calling the Heritage Foundation idiots?

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-05-2021, 1:27 PM Reply   
Its very simple, give people an avenue for fraud, there will be those who take it. Give portland police, crime will go down, take police away, crime is off the charts. Its simple, there are some who cheat, will always cheat, and we all know someone who is "that guy" so add them up, they exist and are doing illegal things all day long, what makes anyone believe that we can have open, fair election without accountability? We cannot do anything else without proof of life. So lets just have ID and vote!
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-05-2021, 2:00 PM Reply   
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Its very simple, give people an avenue for fraud, there will be those who take it. Give portland police, crime will go down, take police away, crime is off the charts. Its simple, there are some who cheat, will always cheat, and we all know someone who is "that guy" so add them up, they exist and are doing illegal things all day long, what makes anyone believe that we can have open, fair election without accountability? We cannot do anything else without proof of life. So lets just have ID and vote!
We have accountability, Every single state that was challenged (Mich, Wis, Georgia, AZ.....) recounted (many more than once) and had full investigations and analysis of their elections. They did not find fraud. Its very simple. If they found fraud, trump may have won some of the 60 lawsuits he lost, he didnt. If there is fraud, there is evidence, proof, a paper trail, something. No one has come forward with proof. Those that made untrue claims, like those against Dominion Voting systems are all being sued for those lies. Fraud is a big business because there is $$ involved, they do illegal things to make $$. No $$ in voter fraud. It takes thousands and thousands of votes to turn an election, you would need thousands and thousands of fraudsters. Where are they hiding? No one opened their trap? How do you buy thousands and thousands of "that guy" and keep him loyal? Not one sell out? If you make a claim, you have to back it up with fact. If not, its nothing. Your claim of voter fraud is nothing but hot air until it is verified.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-05-2021, 1:39 PM Reply   
Right, i cant twist my mind enough to see issue from the scammed buyers side, lol. So our diff of opinion (fact) is the after the fact coverage.
In CA we have 2 options (you may have the same in NV,... IDK) an Owners policy, standard ALTA (follows what you have stated, pre settlement) or an extended coverage policy. I have an Eagle policy from First American Title. I believe it covers my legal fees in event of...after the fact. Clearly i am not a insurance specialist. Thanks.
https://tworiverstitle.com/2016/02/0...tle-insurance/
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-06-2021, 4:41 AM Reply   
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Right, i cant twist my mind enough to see issue from the scammed buyers side, lol. So our diff of opinion (fact) is the after the fact coverage.
In CA we have 2 options (you may have the same in NV,... IDK) an Owners policy, standard ALTA (follows what you have stated, pre settlement) or an extended coverage policy. I have an Eagle policy from First American Title. I believe it covers my legal fees in event of...after the fact. Clearly i am not a insurance specialist. Thanks.
https://tworiverstitle.com/2016/02/0...tle-insurance/
Interesting... I always choose the extended policy too, but hadn't noticed "post-policy forgery." Now I wish I could figure out what that meant or covered!
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-05-2021, 11:08 PM Reply   
Yup here’s those woke democratic wheels spinning. The 2 black tens that murdered an innocent Uber driver during their violent carjacking of his car will be reaching a plea deal that will have them out of prison well before their 21st bday to celebrate because DC won’t charge the 15yr old as an adult. If carjacking an 66yr old elderly immigrant( enhanced crime based on age ) , and murdering him during the violent encounter isn’t enough to get one charged as an adult , what is? Sickening.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch.c...a-deal-reports
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 5:40 AM Reply   
No. In person fraud is very low. Most of it is cyber. It is usually caught pretty quickly. You usually know when it was done and where it was spent but tracking it is impossible and not cost beneficial. Debit card fraud is the responsibility of the bank, not the retailer so there is no recourse.

I understand what you are saying but think you would get a whole new level of cyber interference if they could potentially change the outcome of an election.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 6:14 AM Reply   
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No. In person fraud is very low. Most of it is cyber. It is usually caught pretty quickly. You usually know when it was done and where it was spent but tracking it is impossible and not cost beneficial.
So what you're saying is that a vote is a lot easier to recover than money. You only have to put in some effort if you want to find the person that stole it. When a person logs in to vote they can see if their account is compromised just like when money is stolen. But unlike money, recovering the vote is as easy as reporting it stolen. And now you have tangible evidence instead of a bunch of delusional grandstanding and pitchfork shaking.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 6:00 AM Reply   
This thread needs a little comic relief...

Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2021, 8:13 AM Reply   
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This thread needs a little comic relief...

Glad they were finally able to apprehend that fleeing democrat. I especially loved the final collision into the guy’s passenger side that set off the air bags. That was a nice touch.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 9:16 AM Reply   
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Glad they were finally able to apprehend that fleeing democrat. I especially loved the final collision into the guy’s passenger side that set off the air bags. That was a nice touch.
I have a cabin on 7 acres in Marion county and it is not the land of Democrats.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2021, 10:30 AM Reply   
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I have a cabin on 7 acres in Marion county and it is not the land of Democrats.
I believe you, but clearly, we saw in the video that the county is not totally devoid of libtards. Heck, you live there too.

Side note: How does one have a cabin in Florida? When I hear the word cabin, I think of the mountains and your state’s highest point could be climbed by your grandma with an elevation of only 345 feet above sea level.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 11:06 AM Reply   
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Side note: How does one have a cabin in Florida? When I hear the word cabin, I think of the mountains and your state’s highest point could be climbed by your grandma with an elevation of only 345 feet above sea level.
If you think a cabin can only be on a mountain, you probably should be more concerned about people thinking you're a tard.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 8:17 AM Reply   
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This thread needs a little comic relief...

I liked how they had to use multiple cars for the pit. As a tax payer I would have rather they stuck to a designated vehicle!
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 9:37 AM Reply   
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I liked how they had to use multiple cars for the pit. As a tax payer I would have rather they stuck to a designated vehicle!
The final smash up did seem comically excessive. LOL!
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 8:15 AM Reply   
If you actually risked getting your accounts wiped out nobody would do online banking. The bank is liable for the fraud in 99% of the cases.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 9:14 AM Reply   
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If you actually risked getting your accounts wiped out nobody would do online banking. The bank is liable for the fraud in 99% of the cases.
So we have online banking because banks have unlimited amounts of money to cover fraud? That's the logic of your post.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 10:50 AM Reply   
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So we have online banking because banks have unlimited amounts of money to cover fraud? That's the logic of your post.
I was just saying your accounts are guaranteed against fraud. If someone steals your money from your account, they are on the hook for it. If they were not, the banking system would crumble.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-06-2021, 11:08 AM Reply   
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I was just saying your accounts are guaranteed against fraud. If someone steals your money from your account, they are on the hook for it. If they were not, the banking system would crumble.
If that is all you're saying then it's not relevant to the online voting topic.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 12:18 PM Reply   
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If that is all you're saying then it's not relevant to the online voting topic.
I don't remember WTF my original point was.....
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-06-2021, 8:21 AM Reply   
Has anyone else figured out MLB is BLM backwards? So funny those democrats are so stupid that they took the AS game from a 51% black community full of black-owned businesses and gave it to a 76% white town with a 9% black population that has similar voting laws to Atlanta. Democrat woke stupidity on a nuclear scale. Way to “stick it to the man.” Talk about cutting off your nose just to spite your face. Never again will I watch MLB, NBA or NFL.

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Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-06-2021, 12:54 PM Reply   
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Never again will I watch MLB, NBA or NFL.
It's hard to keep up, is "Cancel culture" good or bad at the moment?
Old     (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       04-06-2021, 9:47 AM Reply   
https://www.yahoo.com/news/setting-r...164658566.html
Old     (onlyinboards)      Join Date: Oct 2014       04-06-2021, 10:18 AM Reply   
The Republican Lawmaker who supports the bill wrote an opinion piece on why it's good for Georgia? No way!
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-06-2021, 1:14 PM Reply   
Its stupid. Who are these people that are canceling things and why does anyone care what they think?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-06-2021, 2:03 PM Reply   
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Its stupid. Who are these people that are canceling things and why does anyone care what they think?
I'm sure the NBA is very concerned that Mark isn't watching them anymore. He is dedicating his leisure time to watch reruns of Trumps rallies now.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-07-2021, 10:12 AM Reply   
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I'm sure the NBA is very concerned that Mark isn't watching them anymore. He is dedicating his leisure time to watch reruns of Trumps rallies now.
I’m one of many that quit watching after liberalism overtly infested sports and started beating the libtard drum. The NFL lost 30% of their viewers last year. That’s why they’re about to play 17 games instead of 16. Not sure how many viewers are missing from the other leagues. Nowadays, I’ve made myself busy by DOING things rather than watch other people do them. It was so liberating to be out and about doing things this last football season and not glued to the couch every Sunday. I had some really great times.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-07-2021, 10:46 AM Reply   
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I’m one of many that quit watching after liberalism overtly infested sports and started beating the libtard drum. The NFL lost 30% of their viewers last year. That’s why they’re about to play 17 games instead of 16. Not sure how many viewers are missing from the other leagues. Nowadays, I’ve made myself busy by DOING things rather than watch other people do them. It was so liberating to be out and about doing things this last football season and not glued to the couch every Sunday. I had some really great times.
Good for you!! I do the same. The NFL was going to add games because $$, thats the main reason only. It isnt a libtard drum thats beating, its the view of the majority of the country.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-08-2021, 6:41 AM Reply   
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Good for you!! I do the same. The NFL was going to add games because $$, thats the main reason only. It isnt a libtard drum thats beating, its the view of the majority of the country.
So, who is it that sneaks in and puts those pesky BLM labels and criminal names on their jerseys?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-07-2021, 11:43 AM Reply   
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INowadays, I’ve made myself busy by DOING things rather than watch other people do them. It was so liberating to be out and about doing things this last football season and not glued to the couch every Sunday. I had some really great times.
That's pretty cool, good for you.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       04-06-2021, 2:45 PM Reply   
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Its stupid. Who are these people that are canceling things and why does anyone care what they think?
Agree, Are you listening to them? I just finished wasting an unreasonable amount of time invested in the NCAA Mens BBall Championship. If you missed it, the Gonzaga/UCLA game was one of the best in history, even if my Bruins lost. I watch almost all Laker games. I never notice anything political.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-07-2021, 10:14 AM Reply   
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Agree, Are you listening to them? I just finished wasting an unreasonable amount of time invested in the NCAA Mens BBall Championship. If you missed it, the Gonzaga/UCLA game was one of the best in history, even if my Bruins lost. I watch almost all Laker games. I never notice anything political.
Maybe take off one of those 8 masks you’re wearing and wake up so some oxygen can reach what’s left of your drug-addled brain cells.
Old     (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-06-2021, 2:39 PM Reply   
I will laugh my ass off when boats become evil. and you will not be allowed to enjoy boating unless its an electric boat. Maybe start a cancel culture movement, because boats are racist. Def racist, because poor black people cant afford them! oh, or any poor people, lol so many fools on the left, so little time to deal with them. better off ignoring them, and just ignore their rules.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-07-2021, 5:25 AM Reply   
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I will laugh my ass off when boats become evil. and you will not be allowed to enjoy boating unless its an electric boat.
Don't worry, Correct Craft has your back. I see their electric G23 on the boat side of the cable lake every now and then. Maybe within the next year that will be their regular tow boat and I'll be getting pulls behind it.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-07-2021, 8:53 AM Reply   
Do you guys think that the recent spate of corporate actions on social issues are the result of corporations bending to a woke minority or evidence that the left has won the culture war but the republicans still control politics?

In light of Citizens United, aren't corporations people too?

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