Biden for Prez

Originally Posted by bcd

You're an idiot. You never answered my question, is it OK to say you're only going to pick a white male?

I don't think that putting the question into historical context makes you an idiot. Your position in this case seems to be that a politician can have intent, but cannot reveal it to the public. I disagree with that position. You asked if a politician can say... "I'm going to pick a white male". Yes, I think if that is the intent then it should be revealed. The real issue is what claiming "I'll pick a white male" means in the context of current society. Diversity is an agenda. What agenda would picking a white male meet? It's the agenda that is the real issue as to whether it's right or wrong.

I get your point about the potential of it being demeaning to the selection to know they were picked for a reason other than qualifications, but IMO it doesn't justify knowing what your political representative stands for. Were you complaining about Trump picking people who fit his political agenda. Isn't that demeaning to the men and woman selected? No matter what the agenda, using agenda rather than qualifications would fit your description of being demeaning.

Originally Posted by fly135

I don't think that putting the question into historical context makes you an idiot. Your position in this case seems to be that a politician can have intent, but cannot reveal it to the public. I disagree with that position. You asked if a politician can say... "I'm going to pick a white male". Yes, I think if that is the intent then it should be revealed. The real issue is what claiming "I'll pick a white male" means in the context of current society. Diversity is an agenda. What agenda would picking a white male meet? It's the agenda that is the real issue as to whether it's right or wrong.

I get your point about the potential of it being demeaning to the selection to know they were picked for a reason other than qualifications, but IMO it doesn't justify knowing what your political representative stands for. Were you complaining about Trump picking people who fit his political agenda. Isn't that demeaning to the men and woman selected? No matter what the agenda, using agenda rather than qualifications would fit your description of being demeaning.

I don't disagree with the political agenda point. That is why elections have consequences. They should be qualified and support their agenda though I don't agree with biden's agenda at all. Saying you are going only pick from around 6% of the population is not a good ideas unless it happens to work out on merit.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I don't disagree with the political agenda point. That is why elections have consequences. They should be qualified and support their agenda though I don't agree with biden's agenda at all. Saying you are going only pick from around 6% of the population is not a good ideas unless it happens to work out on merit.

Thats a tired racist argument. Trump picked from a minority, 3 times, dont recall your horror.
Why dont you say specifically why the candidate, you dont know, is under qualified. You cant. Fool.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Thats a tired racist argument. Trump picked from a minority, 3 times, dont recall your horror.
Why dont you say specifically why the candidate, you dont know, is under qualified. You cant. Fool.

Didn't Trump pick a black female for a high end Judge post and the democrats including Schumer voted against her?

I did not say anyone was unqualified. I think saying you are only going to pick from 6% of the population and even less of a percent of population of judges is not really the thing to do. If he finds one that is a top end jurist, then so be it. I think it is a mistake for any president to say they are going to pick X color or gender. It limits you from picking the absolute best person.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Didn't Trump pick a black female for a high end Judge post and the democrats including Schumer voted against her?

I did not say anyone was unqualified. I think saying you are only going to pick from 6% of the population and even less of a percent of population of judges is not really the thing to do. If he finds one that is a top end jurist, then so be it. I think it is a mistake for any president to say they are going to pick X color or gender. It limits you from picking the absolute best person.

Thats the point. You cant say someone is unqualified, there is no pick yet.
The other day you tried to say his potential pick is under/less qualified. Of course, all have more experience than trumps lady pick and i dont recall you explaining how her qualifications were a little light. Was she the best? Was Kavanaugh the best possible choice? Youre clueless. Everyone on the short list is MORE than qualified. All Yale/Harvard/Princton law school. You are not qualified to shine their shoes.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Thats the point. You cant say someone is unqualified, there is no pick yet.
The other day you tried to say his potential pick is under/less qualified. Of course, all have more experience than trumps lady pick and i dont recall you explaining how her qualifications were a little light. Was she the best? Was Kavanaugh the best possible choice? Youre clueless. Everyone on the short list is MORE than qualified. All Yale/Harvard/Princton law school. You are not qualified to shine their shoes.

I said no such thing. I said it is not a good idea to automatically limit a choice to only 6% of the population and more than likely even less percentage of qualified judges. Only thing I have seen on qualifications is of potential people on a short list, they have very limited experience to date. Maybe there are others, but that is all I know.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I said no such thing. I said it is not a good idea to automatically limit a choice to only 6% of the population and more than likely even less percentage of qualified judges. Only thing I have seen on qualifications is of potential people on a short list, they have very limited experience to date. Maybe there are others, but that is all I know.

limited experience? What is that? What is reasonable experience?
On the short list, all have more experience than Justice Barrett. Im feeling like, you dont know anything at all. Just what you have been told to say. Like a parrot.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Didn't Trump pick a black female for a high end Judge post and the democrats including Schumer voted against her?

I did not say anyone was unqualified. I think saying you are only going to pick from 6% of the population and even less of a percent of population of judges is not really the thing to do. If he finds one that is a top end jurist, then so be it. I think it is a mistake for any president to say they are going to pick X color or gender. It limits you from picking the absolute best person.

Regan did it. He committed to selecting the first female supreme court justice as part of his 1980 campaign and followed through with OConor in 1981.

There are many qualified judges out there and there isn't a ranking system. He has just narrowed the field to a black woman. His case is there never has been one out of the hundreds of justices in US History. Now, if the person is unqualified, I hope issues are raised.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

Regan did it. He committed to selecting the first female supreme court justice as part of his 1980 campaign and followed through with OConor in 1981.

There are many qualified judges out there and there isn't a ranking system. He has just narrowed the field to a black woman. His case is there never has been one out of the hundreds of justices in US History. Now, if the person is unqualified, I hope issues are raised.

I agree in general. Reagan was also a life long democrat so maybe he did not shed all that race and gender baiting for votes persona.

Of the people I have read about (and it is very limited on what I have read about it), the people on the short list have very limited experience. I would expect them to be challenged appropriately and not have some partisan shills come out and say they were raped by them at a party when they were teens in a place they don't remember.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

I agree in general. Reagan was also a life long democrat so maybe he did not shed all that race and gender baiting for votes persona.

Of the people I have read about (and it is very limited on what I have read about it), the people on the short list have very limited experience. I would expect them to be challenged appropriately and not have some partisan shills come out and say they were raped by them at a party when they were teens in a place they don't remember.

Holy Crap! Now not even Regan isn't even republican enough for you.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

Regan did it. He committed to selecting the first female supreme court justice as part of his 1980 campaign and followed through with OConor in 1981.

There are many qualified judges out there and there isn't a ranking system. He has just narrowed the field to a black woman. His case is there never has been one out of the hundreds of justices in US History. Now, if the person is unqualified, I hope issues are raised.

Regan was wrong if he announced his decision, prior to any vetting, based on gender. Why is this so hard to understand

Originally Posted by dougr

Regan was wrong if he announced his decision, prior to any vetting, based on gender. Why is this so hard to understand

No sorry, sorry your team and the players on it are the little people. Why not just skip the "we are nominating a black women" and just nominate the person you want! BTW, the black women, who gets into the position will always know they may have been seated just because they are black and female.

just like if I hired a little person on the bases of them being little. Why not grow up pick the person on the merit not their color. and if its a black women, great! They would have earned it based on their dedication and merit, not on the color of their skin, BUT TOO LATE everyone now knows they were nominated for being black. Kinda sad, as it strips the hard work and effort they achieved

Racism, its easy to see.