TRUMP for Prez

Funny how our current administration wants to "Recognize" & make a Day out of the insurrection,

Example.
Pearl Harbor day Dec 11th
Twin Towers Attack 9/11

And from the current Administration/ Democrat Party we bring you

JAN 6th the latest national thing for you to sob about! LOL captain distraction & Miss Laugh Alot , Don't want you thinking about Record High Inflation or Record High Covid #'s (Tuesday the US
recorded 1Million positive for covid19 in the US The Highest number yet for a single day)

Originally Posted by ralph

To be clear the Q Sharmon was charged and plead guilty to felony obstruction of an official proceeding, not trespassing.

Yeah he got more than 3 years as i recall. Its like Gilligan's Island, thought it would be a 3-hour tour and theyre stuck for years.

Originally Posted by grant_west

Funny how our current administration wants to "Recognize" & make a Day out of the insurrection,

Example.
Pearl Harbor day Dec 11th
Twin Towers Attack 9/11

And from the current Administration/ Democrat Party we bring you

JAN 6th the latest national thing for you to sob about! LOL captain distraction & Miss Laugh Alot , Don't want you thinking about Record High Inflation or Record High Covid #'s (Tuesday the US
recorded 1Million positive for covid19 in the US The Highest number yet for a single day)

When terrorists attack the country.... "never forget" .... i think is what they say.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Happy all anyone has been charged with is Trespassing day.

There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks Jan 6 was about mere trespassing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59887551

Investigators are seeking public help in identifying 350 rioters, including 250 suspected of attacking police officers.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/06/10707...ndants-justice

725 p.o.s. riled up cult followers arrested so far!

Originally Posted by brettw

725 p.o.s. riled up cult followers arrested so far!

To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the big dummies, they were lied to by a talented grifter and thought they were doing the patriotic thing by trying to stop the election being ratified. All the blame lies at the feet of the orange messiah and his enablers like Cancun Cruz, Gym Jordan and Holly of the sedition caucus.

Originally Posted by ralph

To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the big dummies, they were lied to by a talented grifter and thought they were doing the patriotic thing by trying to stop the election being ratified. All the blame lies at the feet of the orange messiah and his enablers like Cancun Cruz, Gym Jordan and Holly of the sedition caucus.

That's the beauty of appealing to stupid people. You can tool them into stuff and don't have to take responsibility for their actions.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

actually it is. it is your individual relationship with God with the belief that he sent his son Jesus as a sacrifice for your sins. You should seek relationships with other believers yes. A church is also where a few people meet. It is not an institution. I don't think you know what religion you are trying to argue about.

It is not just personal/internal. When you become a Christian you are endowed with the Holy Spirt. How do we know? It bears fruit. The fruit: charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity. These qualities are not exclusive to being Christian, it is the basics of being a good human being. Christians are SUPPOSED to be these things regardless of the rest of the world. The Bible even goes to say that if you are not these things, you might not really be a Christian. Look, we all fall short and that is what repentance is for, but after you repent, you must change. It isn't like a get into heaven free card (think mob at confession).

Lately, there is a lot of conservative rhetoric being passed around that is at odds with the basic principles of Christianity. The strike first, strike hard, no mercy Cobra Kai mentality does not fit. We are called to play the long game. The Bible is clear that there are no short-cuts. The ends cannot justify the means. Democrats aren't evil, IMO, but even if they are we must do the right thing--even if we lose.

At the end of the day, everyone just needs to chill. Stop waring over seats and the super majority and start debating/compromising over policy. Since about 2010, our country has been at a stand still. The goal of both sides has been to maintain power by undermining their opposition not maintaining support through success and prosperity for Americans. A little (insert any fruit of the spirt here) and compromise could get us all moving forward again.

Originally Posted by grant_west

Funny how our current administration wants to "Recognize" & make a Day out of the insurrection,

Example.
Pearl Harbor day Dec 11th
Twin Towers Attack 9/11

And from the current Administration/ Democrat Party we bring you

JAN 6th the latest national thing for you to sob about! LOL captain distraction & Miss Laugh Alot , Don't want you thinking about Record High Inflation or Record High Covid #'s (Tuesday the US
recorded 1Million positive for covid19 in the US The Highest number yet for a single day)

I agree that the Democrats have been hamming it up for political gain, but you can't downplay the seriousness of this situation. If you can name a time that democracy in America was closer to collapse, I'd be interested to hear the argument. It wasn't the assault on people, it wasn't the assault a building there are far more extreme examples of those things (Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were far worse in those categories). It was an assault on our system of government that was established and has stood as a beacon to the world for more than 200 years. That day America looked like a two-bit third-world system of government.

The other option is to prove that the whole thing was justified and that that the speeches and protestors were somehow trying to preserve democracy and that Trump did win the election. One year later, no smoking gun has arrived and even if anyone was hopeful at some point surly that chapter has closed. That dead horse has been beat into the ground.

Originally Posted by ralph

I didn't say they were charged with anything, you piped up that they were only charged with trespassing with is factually incorrect. Typical rightwinger, don't let facts get in the way of narrative.

Your whole existence on this thread is narrative.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

The party of Lincoln (Republicans) were yankee liberals from the north in the 1860s. Go slap your history teacher.

Neither party today can claim responsibility for freeing the slaves. Different times and different parties--Just the same names.

Is that why the democrat party elected a Klan Wizard to the party up until 2010? Is that why Bill Clinton defended said person's klan activity after his death?

Originally Posted by ralph

To be clear the Q Sharmon was charged and plead guilty to felony obstruction of an official proceeding, not trespassing.

He was convicted of obstructing a government proceeding. It is trespassing during an event. The government wants to make an example of him. He did that anywhere else in the country, he would get a slap on the wrist.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

He was convicted of obstructing a government proceeding. It is trespassing during an event. The government wants to make an example of him. He did that anywhere else in the country, he would get a slap on the wrist.

If he did it in anywhere else in the country, he would get a slap on the wrist
Of course fool, He broke into the Capitol to stop a federal election. The obvious.

Well the TRESPASSERS just got charged with seditious conspiracy . Gonna need to come up with another cover story.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-indict...ry?id=82245950

Originally Posted by 95sn

If he did it in anywhere else in the country, he would get a slap on the wrist
Of course fool, He broke into the Capitol to stop a federal election. The obvious.

Well the TRESPASSERS just got charged with seditious conspiracy . Gonna need to come up with another cover story.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-indict...ry?id=82245950

They always overcharge. Can't wait for the democrat party to get indicted on sedition for their russian lies.

Originally Posted by 95sn

If he did it in anywhere else in the country, he would get a slap on the wrist
Of course fool, He broke into the Capitol to stop a federal election. The obvious.

Well the TRESPASSERS just got charged with seditious conspiracy . Gonna need to come up with another cover story.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-indict...ry?id=82245950

Apparently breaking in with weapons to overthrow the state vote in Wisconsin was ok. Even got a shout out from pelosi as being a great American for doing so.

Originally Posted by 95sn

When terrorists attack the country.... "never forget" .... i think is what they say.

Yep. We will not forget the democrats and the lies they have spewed over the last 4 years.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

They always overcharge. Can't wait for the democrat party to get indicted on sedition for their russian lies.

Sedition, Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (2000), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a Clear and Present Danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).

The crime of seditious conspiracy is committed when two or more persons in any state or U.S. territory conspire to levy war against the U.S. government. A person commits the crime of advocating the violent overthrow of the federal government when she willfully advocates or teaches the overthrow of the government by force, publishes material that advocates the overthrow of the government by force, or organizes persons to overthrow the government by force. A person found guilty of seditious conspiracy or advocating the overthrow of the government may be fined and sentenced to up to 20 years in prison. States also maintain laws that punish similar advocacy and conspiracy against the state government.

The fact Russia assisted trump get elected in 2016 isnt seditious in the least. Nice try strawman.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

It is not just personal/internal. When you become a Christian you are endowed with the Holy Spirt. How do we know? It bears fruit. The fruit: charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity. These qualities are not exclusive to being Christian, it is the basics of being a good human being. Christians are SUPPOSED to be these things regardless of the rest of the world. The Bible even goes to say that if you are not these things, you might not really be a Christian. Look, we all fall short and that is what repentance is for, but after you repent, you must change. It isn't like a get into heaven free card (think mob at confession).

Lately, there is a lot of conservative rhetoric being passed around that is at odds with the basic principles of Christianity. The strike first, strike hard, no mercy Cobra Kai mentality does not fit. We are called to play the long game. The Bible is clear that there are no short-cuts. The ends cannot justify the means. Democrats aren't evil, IMO, but even if they are we must do the right thing--even if we lose.

At the end of the day, everyone just needs to chill. Stop waring over seats and the super majority and start debating/compromising over policy. Since about 2010, our country has been at a stand still. The goal of both sides has been to maintain power by undermining their opposition not maintaining support through success and prosperity for Americans. A little (insert any fruit of the spirt here) and compromise could get us all moving forward again.

If it were all that simple. You seem to think this is just a simple bit of how we divide the profits between labor and owners. One party is trying to assert control over the people in which human history has proven to be very bad to all people especially those of faith. While it is true that God even allows for people like biden to be appointed as party of his will, it does not mean the people should not have their say. If Christians are not allowed to have their say then why should they open churches and tell others of the word? They should just accept their salvation and then be quiet if that were the case.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Is that why the democrat party elected a Klan Wizard to the party up until 2010? Is that why Bill Clinton defended said person's klan activity after his death?

I hit the nail on the head and you want to bring up something else. Again, two separate discussions--not related in the slightest.

Both parties have massively problematic histories. But that doesn't change the fact that Lincoln was a liberal yankee from the north and today Republicans are conservatives from the south. What you said was 100% false. Crack a history book.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Sedition, Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (2000), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a Clear and Present Danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).

The crime of seditious conspiracy is committed when two or more persons in any state or U.S. territory conspire to levy war against the U.S. government. A person commits the crime of advocating the violent overthrow of the federal government when she willfully advocates or teaches the overthrow of the government by force, publishes material that advocates the overthrow of the government by force, or organizes persons to overthrow the government by force. A person found guilty of seditious conspiracy or advocating the overthrow of the government may be fined and sentenced to up to 20 years in prison. States also maintain laws that punish similar advocacy and conspiracy against the state government.

The fact Russia assisted trump get elected in 2016 isnt seditious in the least. Nice try strawman.

The fact that russian absolutely did not help Trump is of public record and even proven by the FBI. The only people actually arrested for acts in this regard are democrats who lied to the FBI about this very case. All the stuff that people in Trumps ring of people where never charged with anything regarding Russia. Nice try though.

Sounds like all your antifa and democrat buddies should be charged soon. Coming up with false stories to the FBI to over through an elected president, burning down police stations with police inside, attacking federal court houses, and taking over state houses seem to fit that bill perfectly.

You seem to think because your people are in charge at the moment that you can use the powers of the government against your enemies any way you want. The worm can just as easily turn.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

I hit the nail on the head and you want to bring up something else. Again, two separate discussions--not related in the slightest.

Both parties have massively problematic histories. But that doesn't change the fact that Lincoln was a liberal yankee from the north and today Republicans are conservatives from the south. What you said was 100% false. Crack a history book.

Actually it is not. The parties did not switch on racism. The Republicans have not changed their stances. The democrats may have became less racist, however they only became that way to keep power. Look no further than LBJ. Want me to post his quotes on blacks, benefits and voting?

you should listen to this and tell me what you think:

The Ben Shapiro Show Debunked The Southern Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzp7i2e58A

You have to start at the 3 minute mark to get past the advertisements.

The republicans outvoted the democrats on civil rights:

Vote totals

Totals are in Yea–Nay format:

The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%)

By party
The record of the roll call vote kept by the House Clerk on final passage of the bill

The original House version:[30]

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[31]

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[30]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[30]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Originally Posted by skiboarder

I hit the nail on the head and you want to bring up something else. Again, two separate discussions--not related in the slightest.

Both parties have massively problematic histories. But that doesn't change the fact that Lincoln was a liberal yankee from the north and today Republicans are conservatives from the south. What you said was 100% false. Crack a history book.

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Ben Shapiro explains why the South's turn to the Republican party did
not begin in the 60s, and was not based on race.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/shapi...outhern-switch

[...]
One of the favorite refrains of the Democratic Party — attempting to
escape its own history of racism and slavery and segregation — is that
in the 1960s, the Republican Party hijacked racism, and the Democratic
Party abandoned it.

That is not true, and I will tell you why.

Setting the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as the turning point, Democrats
point out that the formerly solid Democratic South moved gradually into
the Republican camp, while the Republican North turned more Democratic
over time. This, they say, was clearly the result of racism coming to
the fore in the GOP.

There’s not much evidence to support this contention. According to
professors Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron
Shafer of the University of Wisconsin, “The shift in the South from
Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race, but
of economic growth.”

The movement toward Republicanism in the South began in the 1950s as the
South industrialized. Working class whites and blacks remained Democrat
until the 1990s. The New York Times reported in the 50s that among
southerners in the low income tercile — that’s the lowest 10% — 43%
voted for Republican presidential candidates, while in the highest
income tercile, 53% voted Republican. By the 1980s, those figures were
51% and 77%, respectively.

Wealthy southerners shifted rightward in droves. Poor ones did not.

Sean Trende of Real Clear Politics agrees; he says that the GOP
gradually increased its support in the South from 1928 to 2010. As Dan
McLaughlin of National Review summarizes, “As late as 2010, there were
still states like Alabama and North Carolina that were voting in their
first Republican legislative majorities since Reconstruction” —
something that would have happened overnight in the late 60s if the
partisan realignment had been driven by lock-step white voting loyalties
on racial lines.

It was Southern Democrats fighting against the civil rights movement for
the most part.

In 1948 and 1968, insurgent Democrats launched anti-civil rights
presidential campaigns. Civil rights bills required more Republican than
Democratic support by percentage. In 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment was
passed 119 to 56. Every single Republican voted to pass the bill; only
fourteen Democrats voted in favor. About 100 years later, 81% of
Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964; only 66% of
Democrats voted in favor.

Historically, of course, the Republican Party was the party of Lincoln,
and the Democratic Party was the party of slavery. The Democratic Party
was rooted in the agricultural South, and it was the Republican Party
that was far more cosmopolitan and racially tolerant. It was the
Democratic Party that pushed segregation; it was the Democratic Party
that pushed Jim Crow. The KKK was basically the armed wing of the
Democratic Party in the South for decades.

Looking at the roots of the Republican Party, of course, what you see is
that the Republican Party repeatedly attempted to end things like Jim
Crow. It was Dwight Eisenhower who was attempting to forcibly integrate
the schools. It was Ulysses S. Grant who was attempting to push for
Radical Republican reconstructionism.

The notion that the Republican Party simply switched overnight on civil
rights belies all evidence. The real change that happened here was not
inside the Republican Party. The real change that happened here was
inside the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has become
significantly less racist over time, but the Democratic Party becoming
less racist over time does not imply that the Republican Party has
become more racist over time.

This piece is adapted from an episode of Ben’s newest series, Debunked.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

If it were all that simple. You seem to think this is just a simple bit of how we divide the profits between labor and owners. One party is trying to assert control over the people in which human history has proven to be very bad to all people especially those of faith. While it is true that God even allows for people like biden to be appointed as party of his will, it does not mean the people should not have their say. If Christians are not allowed to have their say then why should they open churches and tell others of the word? They should just accept their salvation and then be quiet if that were the case.

Huh? Christians do have their say. Almost our entire Congress is Christian. Biden is the first president in several to actually attend church (one of the only positives I can say about him). How have they limited your faith?

Do we even have a single socialist-democrat congress member? Bernie, maybe? That is a major party in Canada. If we are on some slippery slope explain tax rates over US History? Explain Harry Truman trying to socialize US Steel. Explain when the US Govt confiscated everyones gold and then reissued it at a higher price. We have been far more socialist and we never descended into communism. How is now different?

Democrats want to grow government and raise taxes. Republicans want to grow government and raise debt. They are both losing strategies and both bad for America. Republicans are better for me, but that does not make them good. You've settled for Republicans being crap, I have not

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Actually it is not. The parties did not switch on racism. The Republicans have not changed their stances. The democrats may have became less racist, however they only became that way to keep power. Look no further than LBJ. Want me to post his quotes on blacks, benefits and voting?

you should listen to this and tell me what you think:

The Ben Shapiro Show Debunked The Southern Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzp7i2e58A

You have to start at the 3 minute mark to get past the advertisements.

The republicans outvoted the democrats on civil rights:

Vote totals

Totals are in Yea–Nay format:

The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%)

By party
The record of the roll call vote kept by the House Clerk on final passage of the bill

The original House version:[30]

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[31]

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[30]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[30]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

Holy crap! We aren't talking about racism! We are talking about whether or not the today's republican party freed the slaves. They did not. Neither party today can take credit. The parties have changed (I didn't say switched places), but the names stayed the same.

Tribalist kook.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

The fact that russian absolutely did not help Trump is of public record and even proven by the FBI. The only people actually arrested for acts in this regard are democrats who lied to the FBI about this very case. All the stuff that people in Trumps ring of people where never charged with anything regarding Russia. Nice try though.

Sounds like all your antifa and democrat buddies should be charged soon. Coming up with false stories to the FBI to over through an elected president, burning down police stations with police inside, attacking federal court houses, and taking over state houses seem to fit that bill perfectly.

You seem to think because your people are in charge at the moment that you can use the powers of the government against your enemies any way you want. The worm can just as easily turn.

Facts matter. Mueller indicted at least a dozen Russians for election interference. So youre wrong, wrong wrong again. In addition, Bannon, Manafort, Stone plus others were arrested, tried and convicted. Trump had to pardon them. Your memory sucks. "your people", no man, our people are not in charge, you dont understand, the DOJ isnt political, it was for trump but that was because he is a conman and needed cover, obstruction...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...n-interference

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Actually it is not. The parties did not switch on racism. The Republicans have not changed their stances. The democrats may have became less racist, however they only became that way to keep power. Look no further than LBJ. Want me to post his quotes on blacks, benefits and voting?

you should listen to this and tell me what you think:

The Ben Shapiro Show Debunked The Southern Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtzp7i2e58A

You have to start at the 3 minute mark to get past the advertisements.

The republicans outvoted the democrats on civil rights:

Vote totals

Totals are in Yea–Nay format:

The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%)

By party
The record of the roll call vote kept by the House Clerk on final passage of the bill

The original House version:[30]

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[31]

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[30]

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[30]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

When someone is trying really hard to prove he isnt racist...well you know the rest.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

Huh? Christians do have their say. Almost our entire Congress is Christian. Biden is the first president in several to actually attend church (one of the only positives I can say about him). How have they limited your faith?

Do we even have a single socialist-democrat congress member? Bernie, maybe? That is a major party in Canada. If we are on some slippery slope explain tax rates over US History? Explain Harry Truman trying to socialize US Steel. Explain when the US Govt confiscated everyones gold and then reissued it at a higher price. We have been far more socialist and we never descended into communism. How is now different?

Democrats want to grow government and raise taxes. Republicans want to grow government and raise debt. They are both losing strategies and both bad for America. Republicans are better for me, but that does not make them good. You've settled for Republicans being crap, I have not

I have settle for looking at the greater enemy and that is the democrat party. You are missing the "squad" in your socialist agenda. You are missing the entire argument over the US budget. You missed the slush fund Obama set up for these radical group from the BP fines. All the climate deals that spread America's wealth. The democrats are not interested in mom and pop. They are out to role America under the UN umbrella and the policies that they push point to that year after year. Internally they need to sew discontent and poison pill things so they collapse. That way people will vote for government. These keeps them in power to pass their international agenda. I have no misconceptions on Republicans, however I know what they are going to do in general and it is not what the democrats are doing. I trust people more when they are voting to give up power than people who vote to consolidate power. History if full of people like that and it is not good for us.

Originally Posted by 95sn

When someone is trying really hard to prove he isnt racist...well you know the rest.

You are the party that uses race in every single thing you push. We know how that goes.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Facts matter. Mueller indicted at least a dozen Russians for election interference. So youre wrong, wrong wrong again. In addition, Bannon, Manafort, Stone plus others were arrested, tried and convicted. Trump had to pardon them. Your memory sucks. "your people", no man, our people are not in charge, you dont understand, the DOJ isnt political, it was for trump but that was because he is a conman and needed cover, obstruction...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...n-interference

They were not arrested for election interference. You lie yet again:

This is what Paul Manafort was found guilty of

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/1051951002/

filing false income tax returns, failing to file reports for foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud.

nothing to do with elections

Roger Stone found guilty on all 7 counts
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roge...ry?id=67015102

Jurors have returned a guilty verdict on all of seven counts including five counts of lying to Congress, one count of witness tampering and one count of obstruction of a proceeding.

Bannon was neither indicted or convicted of anything to do with Russia. Only thing he is being indicted on is the democrat witch hunt where he told them to stuff it.

Every thing you just said and have said for 4 years are nothing but repeated lies and wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by skiboarder

Holy crap! We aren't talking about racism! We are talking about whether or not the today's republican party freed the slaves. They did not. Neither party today can take credit. The parties have changed (I didn't say switched places), but the names stayed the same.

Tribalist kook.

The whole basis for switching parties is based on who owns racism. that is the whole point the left keeps making.

The Republicans have been consistent. The constitution. Period. You sound like one of the people who are easily swayed by conservative and liberal labels. Liberal and conservative are simply positions against momentum. Republicans have not been about special rights. Democrats are a monkey on a string and have zero sense of human nature. They simply want to destroy people to keep in power.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

They were not arrested for election interference. You lie yet again:

This is what Paul Manafort was found guilty of

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/1051951002/

filing false income tax returns, failing to file reports for foreign bank accounts, and bank fraud.

nothing to do with elections

Roger Stone found guilty on all 7 counts
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roge...ry?id=67015102

Jurors have returned a guilty verdict on all of seven counts including five counts of lying to Congress, one count of witness tampering and one count of obstruction of a proceeding.

Bannon was neither indicted or convicted of anything to do with Russia. Only thing he is being indicted on is the democrat witch hunt where he told them to stuff it.

Every thing you just said and have said for 4 years are nothing but repeated lies and wishful thinking.

1st, read my post again, i didnt say trumps pals Stone, Manafort , Bannon were convicted of election interference, even tho they did. I said the Russians were.
The crime they are convicted of isnt always why they convicted him. It may just be the quickest, easy way to get them behind bars, according to the law.
Al Capone, a gangster and murderer was convicted and sent to jail on tax evasion charges, hes still a gangster and murderer. If you research Manafort for 5 minutes you would know his Russian connections were problematic for trump, its why he fired him. Look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort
Stone, what do you think the witness tampering charge was about? How about the Obstruction and lying charges? All Russian and election related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone
Bannon is just another regular old felon trump always surrounds himself with, a convicted grifter.
Sorry Champ, you are still full of incorrect BS and still wrong, wrong, wrong. Why would you even attempt to defend felons? Why would a US president surround himself with felons? Are you perfectly fine if your kids start hanging out with felons? Me neither, you know it will lead to trouble.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Is that why the democrat party elected a Klan Wizard to the party up until 2010? Is that why Bill Clinton defended said person's klan activity after his death?

Now , all you need to do is list all the republican and democratic votes in the 1960's, OVER 60 YEARS AGO! Better yet post that 1910 picture of all the democratic KKK members from over 100 years ago! That's great "proof" that the parties didn't switch, even though the racist Southern States switched from voting for democratic presidents to voting for republican presidents in the 60's.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

They always overcharge. Can't wait for the democrat party to get indicted on sedition for their russian lies.

So you have flip flopped from there were only charges for trespassing to they overcharge. Amazin.

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Now , all you need to do is list all the republican and democratic votes in the 1960's, OVER 60 YEARS AGO! Better yet post that 1910 picture of all the democratic KKK members from over 100 years ago! That's great "proof" that the parties didn't switch, even though the racist Southern States switched from voting for democratic presidents to voting for republican presidents in the 60's.

Actually the did not. The Republicans did not even when in the deep south until 2010. You really should read Shapiro's talk. Lays it out very nice to where even you can understand it.

Originally Posted by ralph

So you have flip flopped from there were only charges for trespassing to they overcharge. Amazin.

Charging is different than conviction. Usually is when you are stretching to get people to not go to trial.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Charging is different than conviction. Usually is when you are stretching to get people to not go to trial.

Which has nothing to do with your point that they were only charged with trespassing.

Originally Posted by ralph

Which has nothing to do with your point that they were only charged with trespassing.

good point.

At the end of the day, they are trying to set an example because they finally got a dose of their own medicine that they have been unleashing on the rest of the country for several years. Notice ol nancy has not been trying to gaslight anymore? pretty much scared her straight.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Notice ol nancy has not been trying to gaslight anymore? pretty much scared her straight.

No I haven't noticed that. I would think telling the truth would physically hurt for her.

Just a bunch of peaceful protesters riled up by some FBI agents in the crowd. lol

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leade...conspiracy-and

Originally Posted by brettw

Just a bunch of peaceful protesters riled up by some FBI agents in the crowd. lol

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leade...conspiracy-and

That’s a gaint smoke and mirrors to deflect what’s really going on and attempt to keep momentum . Guaranteed the feds get them convicted on minor charges completely unrelated. But in non bull**** news



The Times analyzed thousands of
videos from the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol
building to understand how it happened - and
why. Here are some of the key findings:
There were several points of attack, and we
pinpointed at least eight locations where rioters
breached and entered the Capitol building
more than were previously known. In the Senate,
proceedings to certify the election results were
halted almost immediately when a building-wide
lockdown was enacted after the first breach by
rioters. But we found that it took much longer for
the House of Representatives to do the same.
This delay appeared to have contributed to a
rioter's death.
One of the biggest questions hanging over the
aftermath of Jan. 6 was whether the riot had
been planned and carried out by organized
groups. By identifying and tracking key players
throughout the day, we found that most - even
some at the forefront of the action - were ardent,
but disorganized, Trump supporters who had
been swept up in the moment and were acting
individually.
Most of the videos we analyzed were filmed by
the rioters. By carefully listening to the unfiltered
chatter within the crowd, we found a clear
feedback loop between President Trump and his
supporters. One unanswered question when we
began this investigation was how the police
managed to reclaim the Capitol building from the
mob. We found that once officers had increased
their numbers, armor and crowd-control
weapons, clearing of the rioters happened quickl

Originally Posted by brettw

There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks Jan 6 was about mere trespassing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59887551

Investigators are seeking public help in identifying 350 rioters, including 250 suspected of attacking police officers.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/06/10707...ndants-justice

725 p.o.s. riled up cult followers arrested so far!

No there something wrong with idiots who think a bunch of unarmed leopel expressing their 1st amendment rights were there to kill members of congress and take over the American government. Just wondering were you were calling for the weight of fed government all year long in 2020 ,

Where were you calling for the me too womens rights activists that took over the same building in 2017, Where were you why the Capitol in Wisconsin was stormed and occupied ? You know what all those have in. Common. A bunch of leftists in coordinated efforts to overthrow Leaders and laws , yet not a single investigation . No groups of people thrown in prison for trespassing on protected federal property



Wonder where all the federal investigations to the over 2600 hospitalized police officers due to BLM Riots are ????

Oh that’s right. Wrong narrative.

The JAN 6 protest is about to be the new leftist 4 yr exploitation. It’s the new Russian collusion narrative. Because that just went up in smoke , so the left needs another event to exploit and beat to death with lies and propaganda . Let me know when Biden’s DOJ starts investigations into the BLM riot murderers , looters , building burners and leaders of the coordinated mayhem assaulted on Americans across the nation for over a Year. I am sure they’re about to use the same resources , tools , and money to go after them. I am sure Biden will announce that all tomorrow.

Covid is falling apart , their policies, lockdowns and mandates have proven complete and utter failures. They haven’t spoke a single truth and the vaccination push is imploding because everything the left lied about to the American public to push their their agenda is is being exposed and unraveling at warp speed. BLM is done because police have finally said enough is enough and the democratic cesspools are reaping the fruits of all the domestic terrorism they’ve supported.


Here what Jan 6th is.


The Dems got a few hour dose of what they promoted and did across America for over a year( 24hrs 7!days a week , 365days. ) and now they want to cry wolf. Their “ policies “ on how to deal with crowd control and large scale events backfired and turned them into the laughing stock not being able to hold down a protected building from a bunch of unorganized imbeciles . They had the ability to use every tool and deployment to be prepared , but their well known policy of lying and wait for protests simply doesn’t work. By the time you deploy all the units on standby it’s already to late. Just another giant failure in democratic policy to add to the 100’s already shown in a year of occupancy at the WH. . Furthermore Democrats let murders , shooters , and violent felons walk out of court with their bail reform bills in the Democratic Cesspools daily. Now all of a sudden they’re dishing out lengthy prison sentences and holding people without bond for simple trespassing. It’s disgusting. The double standard and hypocrisy is on full display.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

The Republicans did not even when in the deep south until 2010.

So, You Are saying they flipped?

Originally Posted by xstarrider

No there something wrong with idiots who think a bunch of unarmed leopel expressing their 1st amendment rights were there to kill members of congress and take over the American government. Just wondering were you were calling for the weight of fed government all year long in 2020 ,

Where were you calling for the me too womens rights activists that took over the same building in 2017, Where were you why the Capitol in Wisconsin was stormed and occupied ? You know what all those have in. Common. A bunch of leftists in coordinated efforts to overthrow Leaders and laws , yet not a single investigation . No groups of people thrown in prison for trespassing on protected federal property



Wonder where all the federal investigations to the over 2600 hospitalized police officers due to BLM Riots are ????

Oh that’s right. Wrong narrative.

The JAN 6 protest is about to be the new leftist 4 yr exploitation. It’s the new Russian collusion narrative. Because that just went up in smoke , so the left needs another event to exploit and beat to death with lies and propaganda . Let me know when Biden’s DOJ starts investigations into the BLM riot murderers , looters , building burners and leaders of the coordinated mayhem assaulted on Americans across the nation for over a Year. I am sure they’re about to use the same resources , tools , and money to go after them. I am sure Biden will announce that all tomorrow.

Covid is falling apart , their policies, lockdowns and mandates have proven complete and utter failures. They haven’t spoke a single truth and the vaccination push is imploding because everything the left lied about to the American public to push their their agenda is is being exposed and unraveling at warp speed. BLM is done because police have finally said enough is enough and the democratic cesspools are reaping the fruits of all the domestic terrorism they’ve supported.


Here what Jan 6th is.


The Dems got a few hour dose of what they promoted and did across America for over a year( 24hrs 7!days a week , 365days. ) and now they want to cry wolf. Their “ policies “ on how to deal with crowd control and large scale events backfired and turned them into the laughing stock not being able to hold down a protected building from a bunch of unorganized imbeciles . They had the ability to use every tool and deployment to be prepared , but their well known policy of lying and wait for protests simply doesn’t work. By the time you deploy all the units on standby it’s already to late. Just another giant failure in democratic policy to add to the 100’s already shown in a year of occupancy at the WH. . Furthermore Democrats let murders , shooters , and violent felons walk out of court with their bail reform bills in the Democratic Cesspools daily. Now all of a sudden they’re dishing out lengthy prison sentences and holding people without bond for simple trespassing. It’s disgusting. The double standard and hypocrisy is on full display.

Thanks for waiting til MLK Day is over before going on your lazy, angry white man screed. Snowflake.

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

So, You Are saying they flipped?

Am saying they did not flip on racism like you guys claim. They changed as the city centers became more and more economically viable. The values of the Republican party are the same now as they were in the 1960's as they were in the 1800's when it was formed to fight racism. Just because your party went from using racism to control the minorities to giving out money to control minorities does not mean Republicans have changed. Democrats have used and still use racism for control. You know it, I know, we all know it.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Thanks for waiting til MLK Day is over before going on your lazy, angry white man screed. Snowflake.

MLK was a registered Republican.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

MLK was a registered Republican.

So am I. What does that tell you? MLK wasnt part of either party and was mostly unpolitical. His gig was Civil Rights. Do you think his son may know more than you? Either way, makes no difference to anyone but you i guess. You must have a copy of his registration, right? Or, is your goal only to sow divide?

The official answer is neither. King talked very infrequently about his personal politics and was not formally affiliated with either political party. Nor did he explicitly endorse any candidate. In fact, he stated, ‘I don’t think the Republican Party is a party full of the almighty God, nor is the Democratic Party. They both have weaknesses. And I’m not inextricably bound to either party.’ What’s more, the parties of King’s time were different from the parties we know today; policies and platforms have changed drastically over time.”

We reached out to Pulitzer Prize-winning King biographer David J. Garrow, author of Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Garrow told us that although King had a friendly relationship with then-Vice President Richard Nixon in the late 1950s, at a time when Nixon was a supporter of civil rights, King “most certainly would have voted for Lyndon Johnson in November 1964.”

In response to the same claim in 2008, King’s son Martin Luther King III told the Associated Press that it was false. “It is disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican,” King said. “He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican. It is even more outrageous to suggest that he would support the Republican Party of today, which has spent so much time and effort trying to suppress African American votes in Florida and many other states.”

Originally Posted by 95sn

So am I. What does that tell you? MLK wasnt part of either party and was mostly unpolitical. His gig was Civil Rights. Do you think his son may know more than you? Either way, makes no difference to anyone but you i guess. You must have a copy of his registration, right? Or, is your goal only to sow divide?

The official answer is neither. King talked very infrequently about his personal politics and was not formally affiliated with either political party. Nor did he explicitly endorse any candidate. In fact, he stated, ‘I don’t think the Republican Party is a party full of the almighty God, nor is the Democratic Party. They both have weaknesses. And I’m not inextricably bound to either party.’ What’s more, the parties of King’s time were different from the parties we know today; policies and platforms have changed drastically over time.”

We reached out to Pulitzer Prize-winning King biographer David J. Garrow, author of Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Garrow told us that although King had a friendly relationship with then-Vice President Richard Nixon in the late 1950s, at a time when Nixon was a supporter of civil rights, King “most certainly would have voted for Lyndon Johnson in November 1964.”

In response to the same claim in 2008, King’s son Martin Luther King III told the Associated Press that it was false. “It is disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican,” King said. “He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican. It is even more outrageous to suggest that he would support the Republican Party of today, which has spent so much time and effort trying to suppress African American votes in Florida and many other states.”

You obviously are unaware of your work on this thread over the last few years huh?

Republicans have always been for equal rights not special rights.

Riviting words like "most certainly" is not a definitive statement. It is a speculative statement. He would have voted for a guy who said he would give N$ggers just enough. Not enough to matter. We will have them voting democrat for the next 200 years. You mean he would have voted for that guy? You mean he would not vote for the party that overwhelmingly voted for civil rights legislation vs the democrats?

Just laughable that they would say he would not vote for the Republican part of today. Republicans have expanded voting for all in their states. They have more wide open election than bidens home state. You really do not know the difference between opinion articles and factual articles do you? I am being rhetorical. It is clear that you do not.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

You obviously are unaware of your work on this thread over the last few years huh?

Republicans have always been for equal rights not special rights.

Riviting words like "most certainly" is not a definitive statement. It is a speculative statement. He would have voted for a guy who said he would give N$ggers just enough. Not enough to matter. We will have them voting democrat for the next 200 years. You mean he would have voted for that guy? You mean he would not vote for the party that overwhelmingly voted for civil rights legislation vs the democrats?

Just laughable that they would say he would not vote for the Republican part of today. Republicans have expanded voting for all in their states. They have more wide open election than bidens home state. You really do not know the difference between opinion articles and factual articles do you? I am being rhetorical. It is clear that you do not.

If republicans are for equal rights like you say....why are partisan republicans taking over elections in states they control. They are giving themselves the power to overturn the results of elections if they FEEL they dont like the results. That isnt equal, its special rights for the party running elections. Elections by definition should be run by non-partisan, agree?
You thinking you know more than historians and Kings own son is laughable. Thinking it means anything 50+ years after the fact is a waste of ink.
Show me all the ways that republicans are expanding the right to vote, as you say. I googled it.

19 states have enacted voting restrictions. How many more states to republicans control? 24? 25? What are those other 5/6 states doing to expand voting?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...-2021-rcna8342

Originally Posted by 95sn

If republicans are for equal rights like you say....why are partisan republicans taking over elections in states they control. They are giving themselves the power to overturn the results of elections if they FEEL they dont like the results. That isnt equal, its special rights for the party running elections. Elections by definition should be run by non-partisan, agree?
You thinking you know more than historians and Kings own son is laughable. Thinking it means anything 50+ years after the fact is a waste of ink.
Show me all the ways that republicans are expanding the right to vote, as you say. I googled it.

19 states have enacted voting restrictions. How many more states to republicans control? 24? 25? What are those other 5/6 states doing to expand voting?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...-2021-rcna8342

Because the constitution for one.

Second, those so called partisan Republicans happen to have the majority in the state legislature and (little secret), the state legislatures write the election laws for each and every state. Other little secret, the democrats did a last minute end around the state legislatures in the Republican led states and had the election laws changed due to COVID by the court and not by the legislatures as dictated by the constitutions of those states. The legislatures write and pass laws, NOT the courts. Those legislatures are passing laws to make sure they can not do the work around again and are prepared for the next crisis.

As far as restriction. that is a lie. Democrats say that anytime you want proof of who is voting, it is a restriction and even more stupidly simply say it is racism. When you get down to it, they have expanded the day of voting and increased many of the voting rights, however they also don't want millions of ballots circulating without ID. Funny you democrats want ID to by bread but now it is racist to vote with ID.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Because the constitution for one.

Second, those so called partisan Republicans happen to have the majority in the state legislature and (little secret), the state legislatures write the election laws for each and every state. Other little secret, the democrats did a last minute end around the state legislatures in the Republican led states and had the election laws changed due to COVID by the court and not by the legislatures as dictated by the constitutions of those states. The legislatures write and pass laws, NOT the courts. Those legislatures are passing laws to make sure they can not do the work around again and are prepared for the next crisis.

As far as restriction. that is a lie. Democrats say that anytime you want proof of who is voting, it is a restriction and even more stupidly simply say it is racism. When you get down to it, they have expanded the day of voting and increased many of the voting rights, however they also don't want millions of ballots circulating without ID. Funny you democrats want ID to by bread but now it is racist to vote with ID.

Having the majority does not give that party the right to decide elections. Elections in the US should always be run by non-partisans. The "end-around" was to allow more mail in voting during a pandemic. It allowed more people to vote w/o worry. Not more democrats, more people.
Republican led states giving themselves the power to decide who wins after an election isnt written in the constitution. If those are the rules you want, cool, biden just won in 2024. See?

Originally Posted by 95sn

Having the majority does not give that party the right to decide elections. Elections in the US should always be run by non-partisans. The "end-around" was to allow more mail in voting during a pandemic. It allowed more people to vote w/o worry. Not more democrats, more people.
Republican led states giving themselves the power to decide who wins after an election isnt written in the constitution. If those are the rules you want, cool, biden just won in 2024. See?

Uh.... yes it does. It literally is in the constitution. The Legislature passes the law. If they wanted they could simple say the people don't get to vote and the legislature can send electors if you want to get technical about it.

Those states have the right and I will add the responsibility to make sure the people who are voting are allowed to vote in their state. Kalifornia has gamed the system so bad that they send out ballots to anyone and then the highly funded democrat ground game picks them up and fills them out for them and sends them in. that is how you go from a linear progression in voting for decades to an almost logarithmic voter total for the democrats in just a decade. that is also how you get as many votes in a recall election which historically lags any voter turn out in any election. It is because the people are not actually voting. The democrat party is voting. It is fraud and needs to be stopped.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Having the majority does not give that party the right to decide elections. Elections in the US should always be run by non-partisans. The "end-around" was to allow more mail in voting during a pandemic. It allowed more people to vote w/o worry. Not more democrats, more people.
Republican led states giving themselves the power to decide who wins after an election isnt written in the constitution. If those are the rules you want, cool, biden just won in 2024. See?

How do you feel about ol Joe already saying that the 2022 elections illegitimate? I don't think there has been an election yet that the democrats felt is legit. Well except the one where they did a work around the constitution and used a pandemic to get the courts to do something highly irregular and against the constitution.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

How do you feel about ol Joe already saying that the 2022 elections illegitimate? I don't think there has been an election yet that the democrats felt is legit. Well except the one where they did a work around the constitution and used a pandemic to get the courts to do something highly irregular and against the constitution.

As if mail in votes are "highly irregular", done for decades all over the country. you are a clown .
Right, thats why Hillary and her army violently busted down the capitol doors to Stop the Steal. And then she called sec of state in swing states to find her more votes. Then she had her personal atty sue a dozen states that the election was fraudulent losing every single time. Then she made state electors do expensive recounts. When those didnt change the results she made them do Audits and "forensic" audits of the results, that didntt change results either. So then she got her atty to get fake electors to produce counterfeit electoral vote counts and send them to congress for her win. Then when none of that worked she refused to attend the inaugural and went home to florida with her tail between her legs, sobbing... where she continues to cry about the election to anyone who will listen. She goes out on tour to tell all the rabid democrats they were robbed and she really won, elections are rigged. Now, no one in the Dem party makes a move w/o her approval because they are scared of her and the power she was handed. Those evil radical democrats.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

How do you feel about ol Joe already saying that the 2022 elections illegitimate? I don't think there has been an election yet that the democrats felt is legit. Well except the one where they did a work around the constitution and used a pandemic to get the courts to do something highly irregular and against the constitution.

As if mail in votes are "highly irregular", done for decades all over the country. you are a clown .
Right, thats why Hillary and her army violently busted down the capitol doors to Stop the Steal. And then she called sec of state in swing states to find her more votes. Then she had her personal atty sue a dozen states that the election was fraudulent losing every single time. Then she made state electors do expensive recounts. When those didnt change the results she made them do Audits and "forensic" audits of the results, that didntt change results either. So then she got her atty to get fake electors to produce counterfeit electoral vote counts and send them to congress for her win. Then when none of that worked she refused to attend the inaugural and went home to florida with her tail between her legs, sobbing... where she continues to cry about the election to anyone who will listen. She goes out on tour to tell all the rabid democrats they were robbed and she really won, elections are rigged. Now, no one in the Dem party makes a move w/o her approval because they are scared of her and the power she was handed. Those evil radical democrats.

Originally Posted by 95sn

As if mail in votes are "highly irregular", done for decades all over the country. you are a clown .
Right, thats why Hillary and her army violently busted down the capitol doors to Stop the Steal. And then she called sec of state in swing states to find her more votes. Then she had her personal atty sue a dozen states that the election was fraudulent losing every single time. Then she made state electors do expensive recounts. When those didnt change the results she made them do Audits and "forensic" audits of the results, that didntt change results either. So then she got her atty to get fake electors to produce counterfeit electoral vote counts and send them to congress for her win. Then when none of that worked she refused to attend the inaugural and went home to florida with her tail between her legs, sobbing... where she continues to cry about the election to anyone who will listen. She goes out on tour to tell all the rabid democrats they were robbed and she really won, elections are rigged. Now, no one in the Dem party makes a move w/o her approval because they are scared of her and the power she was handed. Those evil radical democrats.

wrong. Mail in votes typically are only mailed out upon request and they are a limited part of the vote totals in most states.

Al Gore did a number of those things and apparently so did Hillary?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ania-wisconsin

Hillary Clinton urged to call for election vote recount in battleground states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ction_recounts

2016 United States presidential election recounts

Originally Posted by 95sn

As if mail in votes are "highly irregular", done for decades all over the country. you are a clown .
Right, thats why Hillary and her army violently busted down the capitol doors to Stop the Steal. And then she called sec of state in swing states to find her more votes. Then she had her personal atty sue a dozen states that the election was fraudulent losing every single time. Then she made state electors do expensive recounts. When those didnt change the results she made them do Audits and "forensic" audits of the results, that didntt change results either. So then she got her atty to get fake electors to produce counterfeit electoral vote counts and send them to congress for her win. Then when none of that worked she refused to attend the inaugural and went home to florida with her tail between her legs, sobbing... where she continues to cry about the election to anyone who will listen. She goes out on tour to tell all the rabid democrats they were robbed and she really won, elections are rigged. Now, no one in the Dem party makes a move w/o her approval because they are scared of her and the power she was handed. Those evil radical democrats.

Funny the democrats did break violently down doors and occupy a state house that pelosi publicly said was a great display of democracy at work.

Also you hillary said Trumps election was not legitimate either. You really need to stop pretending only Trump has done these things. We literally have heard the same things from democrats every time a Republic has been elected since Bush and maybe before but I was not paying that close of attention then

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

wrong. Mail in votes typically are only mailed out upon request and they are a limited part of the vote totals in most states.

Al Gore did a number of those things and apparently so did Hillary?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ania-wisconsin

Hillary Clinton urged to call for election vote recount in battleground states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ction_recounts

2016 United States presidential election recounts

Mail in votes are safe and have been used for decades w/o issues. They favor no one, both parties plus independants are all offered the same. There has been zero voter fraud from 2020 uncovered, other than the trump people.
Clinton never forced a recount, never sued 65 times losing every time. Never called sec of state to find her votes, never went on a WHINE Tour telling dems they were robbed, give me your money. Never violently attacked the capitol. Never ANY of those things.
Do you read your own link?
Following Republican nominee Donald Trump's presumed electoral college victory in the United States presidential election of 2016, a group of computer scientists, cyber security experts, and election monitors raised concerns about the integrity of the election results. They urged the campaign staff of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, who had conceded the campaign on November 9,[1] to petition for a recount in three key states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[2] When the Clinton campaign declined to file for recounts, .....
Clinton never asked for a recount, never an audit, never a "forensic" audit. You are full of BS

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Funny the democrats did break violently down doors and occupy a state house that pelosi publicly said was a great display of democracy at work.

Also you hillary said Trumps election was not legitimate either. You really need to stop pretending only Trump has done these things. We literally have heard the same things from democrats every time a Republic has been elected since Bush and maybe before but I was not paying that close of attention then

Guess you missed it. mallcop posted video of that day. Zero violence, no breaking down of doors, no hang the VP, no lets put a bullet in Pelosi......
Go back and look at it. Still full of BS

Pretty good summary of what Trump did on 1/6.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-aides-f...ycsrp_catchall

The imbecile just enjoyed it for a couple of hours:

It adds up to a two-hour period in which Trump watched the riot on TV, refusing entreaties from his closest staff and his daughter to tell his supporters to go home. The committee has asked Ivanka Trump to testify voluntarily, and has declined so far to issue a subpoena compelling her testimony.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Facts matter. Mueller indicted at least a dozen Russians for election interference. So youre wrong, wrong wrong again. In addition, Bannon, Manafort, Stone plus others were arrested, tried and convicted. Trump had to pardon them. Your memory sucks. "your people", no man, our people are not in charge, you dont understand, the DOJ isnt political, it was for trump but that was because he is a conman and needed cover, obstruction...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...n-interference

OMG, Mueller damn near perjured himself. he admitted he was not fully involved in any of the "investigation" and could not verify 75% of what was "supposedly written by himself" I watched the entire investigation. total sham

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Am saying they did not flip on racism like you guys claim. They changed as the city centers became more and more economically viable. The values of the Republican party are the same now as they were in the 1960's as they were in the 1800's when it was formed to fight racism. Just because your party went from using racism to control the minorities to giving out money to control minorities does not mean Republicans have changed. Democrats have used and still use racism for control. You know it, I know, we all know it.

Now you must explain why the republicans welcome the white supremacist and the confederate flag waving "patriots" is what they call them! There are many individuals in the South that I know vote republican are not afraid to show me they are racist. I am Not saying You are racist, not all republicans are racist, but, All racist Are republicans, why? Your argument that giving free stuff for votes, might be true, but it's getting old, helping people by itself is Not racist, but also, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

Another bad day for trump.
Supreme Court in an 8 to 1 decision says the WH has to give up all the documents the 1/6 committee requested.
Eric his son is subpoenaed by NY state AG in a NY case that the trump org evaded taxes.
His daughter is subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee.
His son don Jr fiancé is subpoenaed by 1/ 6 committee.
The Georgia AG requested a Grand Jury to hear evidence in his very perfect call to the georgia Sec of state begging to find 11,800 more votes.
E. Jean Carrol suit against him for rape continues to move forward.
Then there is that odd case with his personal atty, Guiliani, organizing the fake electors to name trump as president in 7 states won by Biden.
TRump 2024!

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Now you must explain why the republicans welcome the white supremacist and the confederate flag waving "patriots" is what they call them! There are many individuals in the South that I know vote republican are not afraid to show me they are racist. I am Not saying You are racist, not all republicans are racist, but, All racist Are republicans, why? Your argument that giving free stuff for votes, might be true, but it's getting old, helping people by itself is Not racist, but also, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

The confederate flag does not stand for racism like you guys want it to for one.

Who says that republicans welcome white supremacists? They do what they want. No one likes them. Like I said, you have more people at brony conventions they you had at the end all be all white supremacists march. I am not worried about those idiots.

Many people who you say are racists more than likely are tired of just being beat up and discriminated against because of their color at the government level and lash out at those who think are doing it. Many people are not articulate enough and simply use words to try and piss people off. I can also buy that if you have a party that is for equal rights and not special rights, I can see a certain type of person go with the non special rights crowd because it does not give the people they hate a leg up. So be it. Still does not change the fact you should be for equal rights and not special rights. You can not control the idiots but at the same time, you can not make people dependent on the government or you have what we are seeing more and more of and that is people who can not take care of themselves or contribute.

not all racists are republican. democrats out here are the biggest racists I ever met. All they and you do is define everything thing by race. First time on a train I was chanted at by a black person saying "death to all white people, children of satan" I think a lot of what you have is called confirmation bias. Wife worked in a 90% black office. They lady who ultimately led her to Christ told her straight up she hated my wife at first because she was white. Other black cops told my wife they were raise believing all white people lived like the tv show and that there were no poor white people. This stuff goes both ways. Only difference is, one party makes a living off stirring that crap up for power.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Another bad day for trump.
Supreme Court in an 8 to 1 decision says the WH has to give up all the documents the 1/6 committee requested.
Eric his son is subpoenaed by NY state AG in a NY case that the trump org evaded taxes.
His daughter is subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee.
His son don Jr fiancé is subpoenaed by 1/ 6 committee.
The Georgia AG requested a Grand Jury to hear evidence in his very perfect call to the georgia Sec of state begging to find 11,800 more votes.
E. Jean Carrol suit against him for rape continues to move forward.
Then there is that odd case with his personal atty, Guiliani, organizing the fake electors to name trump as president in 7 states won by Biden.
TRump 2024!

So. Still going to be your next president.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

So. Still going to be your next president.

Nothing wrong with dreaming big!!

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

The confederate flag does not stand for racism like you guys want it to for one.

Keep telling yourself that!

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

not all racists are republican. democrats out here are the biggest racists I ever met. All they and you do is define everything thing by race. First time on a train I was chanted at by a black person saying "death to all white people, children of satan" I think a lot of what you have is called confirmation bias. Wife worked in a 90% black office. They lady who ultimately led her to Christ told her straight up she hated my wife at first because she was white. Other black cops told my wife they were raise believing all white people lived like the tv show and that there were no poor white people. This stuff goes both ways. Only difference is, one party makes a living off stirring that crap up for power.

Sorry, let me be more specific, All White racist Are republican, is that better?

Originally Posted by joeshmoe

Keep telling yourself that!



Sorry, let me be more specific, All White racist Are republican, is that better?

I am not the only one that feels that way. I think the democrat party is racist and so does half the country. So, who is right?

How do you know all white racists are Republican?

If defining everything by race make you a racists? Seems to me, that one party and their supporters fit that bill.

I can play this game too though. All marxists are democrats. All authoritarians are democrats. All globalists are democrats. This is fun.

I wonder what the 140 or so Capitol police that were injured during the riots think of this?

“If I run and I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly, we will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly,” Trump declared during a Saturday evening rally in Texas.

Originally Posted by brettw

I wonder what the 140 or so Capitol police that were injured during the riots think of this?

“If I run and I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly, we will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly,” Trump declared during a Saturday evening rally in Texas.

Hard telling. It is clear the current administration does not care that thousands of cops being told they do not matter, budgets cut, felons out on no bail warrants and a record year of cops murdered. While tons of violent felons are out on no bails to many kill while out on bail, a good many of the 1/6 people are being held in solitary for over a year without even having a trial yet from what I understand. Does not seem like a fair deal to me.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Hard telling. It is clear the current administration does not care that thousands of cops being told they do not matter, budgets cut, felons out on no bail warrants and a record year of cops murdered. While tons of violent felons are out on no bails to many kill while out on bail, a good many of the 1/6 people are being held in solitary for over a year without even having a trial yet from what I understand. Does not seem like a fair deal to me.

Most of that has irrelevant to the post about Trump saying he might pardon these p.o.s. rioters. This was the 1st I've heard about people being held in solitary confinement, so I researched a bit - like anyone should before posting something like that. It sounds like it relates to very few, and that those few deserve it.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...respassers-th/

Huh, I thought the Jan 6 guys were antifa or FBI plants, why would trump want to pardon them?

Originally Posted by brettw

Most of that has irrelevant to the post about Trump saying he might pardon these p.o.s. rioters. This was the 1st I've heard about people being held in solitary confinement, so I researched a bit - like anyone should before posting something like that. It sounds like it relates to very few, and that those few deserve it.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...respassers-th/

Your article literally states that some are indeed being held in solitary. The democrats literally lit a police station on fire with police inside and were not captured and held, never mind in solitary for months on end.

Those who deserve it is an opinion. What are they going to do, tell other prisoners what a congressional office looks like? Teach them how to throw and object and yell stupid crap?

Originally Posted by ralph

Huh, I thought the Jan 6 guys were antifa or FBI plants, why would trump want to pardon them?

Sounds like some of the main instigators may have been FBI. Would not be the first time something like that has happened.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Sounds like some of the main instigators may have been FBI. Would not be the first time something like that has happened.

Sounds like someone is deep into conspiracy theory. Would not be the first time.

Pretty sure the main instigator was up on a stage shouting out to the mob, We won this election and we won it by a landslide, 'We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen' "You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore."
'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore' .
Remember that guy?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Your article literally states that some are indeed being held in solitary. The democrats literally lit a police station on fire with police inside and were not captured and held, never mind in solitary for months on end.

Those who deserve it is an opinion. What are they going to do, tell other prisoners what a congressional office looks like? Teach them how to throw and object and yell stupid crap?

Why are you defending domestic terrorists? Seems pretty un-American.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Your article literally states that some are indeed being held in solitary. The democrats literally lit a police station on fire with police inside and were not captured and held, never mind in solitary for months on end.

Those who deserve it is an opinion. What are they going to do, tell other prisoners what a congressional office looks like? Teach them how to throw and object and yell stupid crap?

Did you read the whole article? Yes, some are in solitary because it was deemed necessary:

"Politico reported in April that most of the defendants had been released from custody while they await trial, but dozens deemed to be dangerous, flight risks or at high risk of obstructing justice were ordered held without bond. Washington jail officials later decided for safety reasons that all of those defendants would be placed in so-called restrictive housing, which meant 23 hours a day of isolation."

And where do you get this irrelevant crap? "The democrats literally lit a police station on fire with police inside and were not captured and held"

Originally Posted by brettw

Did you read the whole article? Yes, some are in solitary because it was deemed necessary:

"Politico reported in April that most of the defendants had been released from custody while they await trial, but dozens deemed to be dangerous, flight risks or at high risk of obstructing justice were ordered held without bond. Washington jail officials later decided for safety reasons that all of those defendants would be placed in so-called restrictive housing, which meant 23 hours a day of isolation."

And where do you get this irrelevant crap? "The democrats literally lit a police station on fire with police inside and were not captured and held"

They only said because it was deemed necessary. Who is they? That is the whole point. It is an opinion. They in the federal government did not deem it necessary when they tried to burn cops alive or even when they set fire to a federal courthouse. How about when the democrats stormed the Wisconsin state house and took it over. Anyone held in solitary for a year for that? Anyone arrested even. Nancy Pelosi said it was a great demonstration of democracy as her official position on it. Why is it irrelevant. Worse crimes less punishment. Are the people who run the jail afraid they will get clinton'ed? Any "jail official" can say they are going to place a person in solitary. Does not mean it is legally defensible or right. When the federal government was faced with democrats doing even worse, they did nothing like this to the rioters. They went the other way and praised them.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Sounds like someone is deep into conspiracy theory. Would not be the first time.

Pretty sure the main instigator was up on a stage shouting out to the mob, We won this election and we won it by a landslide, 'We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen' "You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore."
'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore' .
Remember that guy?

He wasn't. He was down the street talking while all this started to happen and his finall words were to go peacefully. The FBI does not even agree with your gaslighting.

Originally Posted by 95sn

Why are you defending domestic terrorists? Seems pretty un-American.

Don't ask me. You are the one who helped vote biden into office.

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

He wasn't. He was down the street talking while all this started to happen and his finall words were to go peacefully. The FBI does not even agree with your gaslighting.

You sure about those final words? Pretty sure he concluded with "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."
Thought the FBI was the instigator?

Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier

Don't ask me. You are the one who helped vote biden into office.

Why dont you just answer?
Biden has nothing to do with it. And FYI, I dropped off more trump votes than Biden votes when i vote harvested...so i helped trump more.
Why are you defending domestic terrorists? Its really anti American. Are you a closet Timmy McVeigh fanboi too?