Another school shooting

Originally Posted by xstarrider

...yet fails to connect the dots on the fact the educational and mental health systems are failing miserably by producing more and more individuals with “mental issues “ .

Why don't you help us and connect the dots. How is it the educational system is producing mentally ill people? And for that matter how does the mental health system "produce" mentally ill people? It's my understanding that mentally sound people don't use that service. Of course there is that ADHD thing where they are drugging kids. Maybe that's what you are referring to.

Originally Posted by fly135

Why don't you help us and connect the dots. How is it the educational system is producing mentally ill people? And for that matter how does the mental health system "produce" mentally ill people? It's my understanding that mentally sound people don't use that service. Of course there is that ADHD thing where they are drugging kids. Maybe that's what you are referring to.

The educational system is consistently making excuses for those problem individuals. The educational system has been ramming home the fact you are owed things because you are a “victim” . It’s not your fault , it’s someone else’s. The educational system has gone down the crapper . Values ( gone) actual educcation( gone) , teachers can’t keep students in check any longer for fear of losing their jobs , classroom disruptions are at an all time high, an “ all inclusive “ classroom atmosphere is a learning environment nightmare . School walk outs , and political actions are rammed down young people throats . They are so slanted it’s not even funny . The lack of accountability , lack of structure , lack of actual reference is disgusting . Couple all that with social media outlets and the continued bias news media reports and you’re brreding more and more individuals with no sense of direction and plenty of outlets to find a likeminded group. Kids are more medicated these days than ever. Ever been inside a school and actually seen the nurse’s office filled with kids daily meds? The ADHD bull crap is about the most bull**** diagnosis you can muster . How about be a parent, allow the teachers to to control their classrooms , keep the problem kids together and structure a program like the used to.

Ever seen what a single teacher has to do for every student nowadays regarding a lesson plan ? It’s physically impossible to actuallly focusing on teaching because they have so much bull**** to contend with. Classroom environments are awful . Case in point my daughters classroom environment. They have 1 single behavioral “teacher “ for the entire k-6 school . She has 3 “problem “ kids in her single classroom alone. (3 grade level classeooms for each grade) 2 Consistenly interupt classroom events on a daily basis. ,it’s been as bad as chairs and desks flying , outbursts of screaming , tearing up classroom books and homework . What can the teacher do ????? Absolutely nothing. The administration won’t suspend , discipline , or remove the kids from the classroom because these kids are “entitled “ to the same education with their “disabilities”. So 15 other kids suffer why these kids get every excuse in the book ?

The definition of “mentally ill “ is also up for discussion. It’s not necessarily “ crazy “ in the sense of One Flew Over the Coo-Coo’s nest , but more along the lines of missing core values, lacking enstilling a sense self worth, and personal responsibilities being basically gone . Kids today are in an “you’re owed “ environment . The government was/is pushing the everyone “deserves” agenda . Plain and simple. I ask what has actually been “adjusted more “ in the most recent years , the educational system , or gun laws? Between bathrooms , curriculum , and socialist ideology being taught , which is having a more profound impact? The entitlement mantra is at an all time high. A majority of kids are taught they are owed something by simply existing . Kids are also taught if the dont like it and don’t get what they want its ok to pout and stomp your feet til you get it. Hell lots of adults feel the same way. It’s absolutely sickening. If you don’t think these ideas and environments are producing the outcomes now seen on a daily basis you’re part of the problem. It’s alarming clear on what’s the culprit here. It’s sure as **** ain’t the changing of gun laws. With that said I am all for enacting gun legislation , but my reason, like many other like minded people in America , isn’t because the guns are bad and evil .


In Florida (your home state ) what gun laws have been changed in last 8yrs??? Now go back and look at what changes have happened to educational system and what has been stripped and/or added to/ from the school environments ? Yes it’s that simple .

Originally Posted by xstarrider

The educational system is consistently making excuses for those problem individuals. The educational system has been ramming home the fact you are owed things because you are a “victim” . It’s not your fault , it’s someone else’s. The educational system has gone down the crapper . Values ( gone) actual educcation( gone) , teachers can’t keep students in check any longer for fear of losing their jobs , classroom disruptions are at an all time high, an “ all inclusive “ classroom atmosphere is a learning environment nightmare . School walk outs , and political actions are rammed down young people throats . They are so slanted it’s not even funny . The lack of accountability , lack of structure , lack of actual reference is disgusting . Couple all that with social media outlets and the continued bias news media reports and you’re brreding more and more individuals with no sense of direction and plenty of outlets to find a likeminded group. Kids are more medicated these days than ever. Ever been inside a school and actually seen the nurse’s office filled with kids daily meds? The ADHD bull crap is about the most bull**** diagnosis you can muster . How about be a parent, allow the teachers to to control their classrooms , keep the problem kids together and structure a program like the used to.

This sounds like a lot of whiner B.S., and isn't anything like the public schools my kids went to in a state that consistently rates at the absolute bottom of every education system ranking.

Originally Posted by xstarrider

So 15 other kids suffer why these kids get every excuse in the book ?

hahahahaha so wait a minute... you are complaining about a classroom with 16 kids in it?! LOLz!

Originally Posted by xstarrider

The definition of “mentally ill “ is also up for discussion. It’s not necessarily “ crazy “ in the sense of One Flew Over the Coo-Coo’s nest , but more along the lines of missing core values, lacking enstilling a sense self worth, and personal responsibilities being basically gone . Kids today are in an “you’re owed “ environment . The government was/is pushing the everyone “deserves” agenda . Plain and simple. I ask what has actually been “adjusted more “ in the most recent years , the educational system , or gun laws? Between bathrooms , curriculum , and socialist ideology being taught , which is having a more profound impact? The entitlement mantra is at an all time high. A majority of kids are taught they are owed something by simply existing . Kids are also taught if the dont like it and don’t get what they want its ok to pout and stomp your feet til you get it. Hell lots of adults feel the same way. It’s absolutely sickening. If you don’t think these ideas and environments are producing the outcomes now seen on a daily basis you’re part of the problem. It’s alarming clear on what’s the culprit here. It’s sure as **** ain’t the changing of gun laws. With that said I am all for enacting gun legislation , but my reason, like many other like minded people in America , isn’t because the guns are bad and evil .

So who is going to administer your socialist ideology entitlement test before denying a constitutional right? How you gonna administer that? What happens when acceptance and repetition of fake news is deemed to be "mentally ill"? When rejection of science is deemed to be mentally ill? You gonna be OK with denial of due process and search and seizure of Breitbart readers' homes too?

Kids are also taught if the dont like it and don’t get what they want its ok to pout and stomp your feet til you get it.

I really feel sorry for you if you live in a place where this is really true (not where your media perveyor of choice tells you it's true). Not my experience at all. My kids and their friends are out there kickin' ass and making the world a better place. I hope yours will too.

Not sure what suburb you’re in in Reno , (very familiar with Reno) some great areas .

Sounds like your school has it made , as far as 16kids in a classroom............it’s actually well below the mean in Illinois it still well above the 12 we were with for a long time . 21 is the avg classroom size in Illinois. . Our school is ranked in the top echelon in Illinois and still we have this environment. You can only imagine what happens in those lower ranked schools.

So who is going to administer your socialist ideology entitlement test before denying a constitutional right? How you gonna administer that? What happens when acceptance and repetition of fake news is deemed to be "mentally ill"? When rejection of science is deemed to be mentally ill? You gonna be OK with denial of due process and search and seizure of Breitbart readers' homes too?

Nobody is denying any constitutional right to education , who said the problem kids don’t deserve an education ? What was eluded to is that there needs to be seperate environments giving more resources to those that need the focus , while allowing those that don’t an environment to flourish in .

Originally Posted by xstarrider

Not sure what suburb you’re in in Reno , (very familiar with Reno) some great areas .

Sounds like your school has it made , as far as 16kids in a classroom............it’s actually well below the mean in Illinois it still well above the 12 we were with for a long time . 21 is the avg classroom size in Illinois. . Our school is ranked in the top echelon in Illinois and still we have this environment. You can only imagine what happens in those lower ranked schools.

We are in the old SW. My kids' classrooms were never smaller than 20 (grades 1-3 only have classroom size caps) and in HS it was more like 35-40.

Originally Posted by xstarrider

Nobody is denying any constitutional right to education , who said the problem kids don’t deserve an education ? What was eluded to is that there needs to be seperate environments giving more resources to those that need the focus , while allowing those that don’t an environment to flourish in .

Sorry... my point was if you are going to take away someone's right to own a gun based on this loose def. of mental illness, then you are on a very slippery slope to erosion of other civil liberties based on how people think.

Originally Posted by xstarrider

The educational system is consistently making excuses ... Yes it’s that simple .

OK, let's assume that xstarrider is right, he's NOT but lets play anyways.
The education system is to blame and is creating killers. So if we fix the system, those killers are already out there it will be what 6 more years of monthly shootings before the "fixed education" clears out the crazy kids.
so that will be conservatively only another 6*12= 72 school shootings?
OR we could take away the weapons that allow the school destruction to be so easily executed.
Take away their ability to easilly access the guns and it can stop NOW.
I'm sure that SWATGUY thinks the 72 more school shootings is a small price to pay to be able to continue hording guns that make him feel safe and is as effective as a teddy bear makes my daughter feel safe but I don't.

The Florida shooting proved that armed guards aren't effective, since they had one. The vegas shooting proved that more guns doesn't fix anything. If half the population on earth was shot by an AK, it still wouldn't be enough for the NRA to say that maybe the guns are the problem because their goal is to sell more guns and they've convinced a small amount of Americans that Keeping guns is the only thing that matters and they will vote and donate based on only that issue so they are keeping the rest of us hostage.

As to Grant point that we were silent when the shooter shot up the Republican baseball game. Honestly, I was hoping that might change some of their minds, but nope, money is still more important to the republican congress.

Originally Posted by plhorn

As to Grant point that we were silent when the shooter shot up the Republican baseball game. Honestly, I was hoping that might change some of their minds, but nope, money is still more important to the republican congress.

Well, the only two choices are to remain silent or point out that the guys who were the target are the same ones that don't want any kind of weapons reform so they can keep the contributions from the NRA coming.