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I looked for a thread like this and couldnt find one. If there is one please link me! <BR> <BR>I was wondering what owners of the A22 think? its been about a year now right? Is the wake like a Bu wake? How is the quality holding up? Any not normal maintenance?
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oh yeah, post pictures of your boat if you have them!
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Full write up on my thoughts of the wake and other people chiming in too.. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/769987.html?1264206334" target="_blank">http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/769987.html?1264206334</a> <BR> <BR>I'm an owner, without a boat :P <BR>Build starts next week for mine. They have been out since 2009 producing boats. They produced 50+ according to Wakeboarding magazine for 09. I know they are pumping them out for 10'. <BR>The wake is awesome. From what I have been told, its like a Bu and somewhat of a weighted 220.It will boost you without any effort and its so clean, even 15ft back... I rode my buddies 220, anothers supra, a tige, and would take the axis all day long (im partial to it though, so it doesnt count). <BR>They are built solid. We demoed one around October and I fell in love with it immediately. <BR>They foam is the same quality now as Malibu from what I was reading and I think they upped the quality of the vinyl too. I have read so much about it its hard to remember everything. <BR>I have a picture of my trailer so far if that counts haha.
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haha that all sounds great thanks for the info and the link! <BR> <BR>keep us posted on when you get it! have a date yet? its almost riding season i bet its killing you! haha <BR> <BR>speaking of trailer...did you get the runway lights?
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No worries KDuff, glad I could help spread the word about Axis. Spray date is Feb 8 and we are going to see it on the 11th. Im hoping the week after that or the week after it should be in my hands <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Its getting closer to riding season but at the same time we are having lots of snow and ice so its discouraging. and ohh yeah, I got the runway lights. They are very helpful at night too. We demoed one that had it and came in at night at. It was the coolest convenience. <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/772491.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/772492.jpg" alt="Upload">
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Ahh I see where you have that, may stop by there and take a look at it this week! Looks great!
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Haha yup Cody, You know exactly where the trailer is at lol...Thanks man, Im stoked
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will we be seeing a yellow axis at board bonanza or wakefest this year on old hickory??
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Maybe Chase, Thats about a 4.5 hour drive for us. We are planning for PWT in knox hopefully and we will be at Norris this year. We also talked about Nickajack, we may make it down to old hickory area. Id love to be down at either set of events.
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i would like to catch a set behind the axis if you come down if possible. will give 25-30 bucks for a pull
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Ill give you a yell if we make it down that way Chase. We have alot of lakes we are going to try out this year for sure. I'm excited. <BR> <BR>Didnt mean to hijack the thread KDuff
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Greg, what event are you making it to Norris for? Fire on the Water?
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Cody, we are just going down there for a vacation and to check out the lake. I like the no internet part too, means even if work needs me to remote in, I can't lol... <BR>I dont know if there is an event going on then or not. Its the first weekend in June that we are staying. It just kinda worked out for us and the couple we are going with for scheduling.
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Congrats on the new boat Greg. I am pretty sure my boat sold this week, so I will be picking up an Axis also.
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Thanks, Ed, <BR>and that's awesome you are picking one up too! Are you getting one built from the factory or on the lot already? Congrats!
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Thanks. As long as my boat sells, we will be picking one up that is at a dealership. We were very impressed after we demod it.
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Saw my first Axis out on the lake Sunday. Granted it was Randall's personal boat, but that thing looked incredible and he was absolutely boosting. Very impressed with the boat. Can't wait to ride one.
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no problem greg! everyone seems to be stoked about this thing! I haven't seen a yellow one yet so I cant wait to see yours
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My riding partner bought one last year. It is a killer boat. It will definitely launch you. His has the wedge with 1650 lbs of ballast. It has a very smooth transition with a nice lip at the top to give you that real nice pop. As far as the boat itself it is very solid and has everything that a rider needs. If I was in the market I would def give it a serious consideration. We got about 60-70 hrs in on it and no problems so far, but we did have to cut the season short. I blew my acl behind his boat and he herniated 2 disk in his back behind mine. Anyway, hope this helps.
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Rod thanks for the info, thats great. For me its between the X-star, X-25 and the Axis for next summer (trading in my X2). The Axis definitely wins on price by far! And all I hear are positive things. I'd even trade in the X-2 this year for an Axis if it doesn't flip me upside down in what I owe.
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The Axis wake is very Bu like. Check out some of the youtube videos with Randall to see the wake in action. I put over 200 hours on 2 different Axis boats last summer. (160 on one, and around 40 on another). The boats surpassed every expectation we had for them by far. The boat with 160 hours was used for our wakeboard wednesday wakeboard demos and my personal use, so the boat was strictly used for wakeboarding and surfing. The boat only needed scheduled oil changes. It gave me zero trouble, and I use my boats pretty hard. <BR> <BR>I know im biased because I work for an Axis dealer, but that Axis A22 is one hell of a boat for the money. Its an option for any Malibu dealer to be an Axis dealer. After taking a chance on Axis last year, all of us at Munson Ski and Marine are 100% behind Axis and all that they represent. Adam McCall and the boys did an amazing job and I see a good future for Axis.
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How does everyone like the Skybox Slide Seating? I didn't have a chance to check that out at the boat show.
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We bought ours at the end of June last year. It's white with black accent, 43rd production boat made. From day one we've loved it and haven't regretted it in the least. Its an awesome boat tons of room, storage, and a real head turner. The wake is very consist, tower is solid as a rock (and tall enough for me to clear, I'm 6.3). The huge bow is an awesome feature. At first I thought I would miss a walk-thru, but I don't at all. Love the huge captain's chair, and the ease of all the controls. Ps the wingless windshield is a great feature.(Makes docking much easier) If we had it to do again we would still choose the Axis. When we were in the market we were between Moomba V, Supra 21V, and Malibu V-ride we still feel like we got more bang for the buck.
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Was waiting on you to chime in Brandon
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Saw the Axis at the NYC boat show. Loved everything about it except the drivers seat. IM a bigger guy 220lbs 6'2" and I had trouble fitting comfortably in the seat. I wondered maybe if it came with different seats as an option bc the one I sat in seemed very narrow. Beautiful boat otherwise.
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the Axis at seattle show was off the hook. I loved it!(Vandall Edition)
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The best seat on the market is that Tige air chair or vision chair whatever its called that thing rocks
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brandon any chance of pictures of yours? <BR> <BR>and thanks for all the info guys! <BR> <BR>(Message edited by duffmangt on February 04, 2010)
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Greg, was out around Malibu today and saw your trailer (I think it was yours). <BR> <BR>Would have got a better one but it was pouring! haha <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/773353.jpg" alt="Upload">
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Hey Cody, Awesome <BR>That is ours for sure lol...Judging from the other pics those two trailers stacked on eachother are still there...Looks like they got another axis trailer next to mine hehe...Thanks for the shot! <BR>We are going up next thurs to see it finalized. Sprays Monday Woot! I am stoked
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Alright so I went to the boat show on sunday in dallas and checked out the Axis. <BR> <BR>The Good: <BR>A loaded Axis w/ trailer was 51k, less options was 44 (only 2 they had there). <BR>The trailer is sick, well designed and oozing with style which I think is cool to be able to say about a trailer. <BR>Plenty of room for people, especially the gigantic bow. Me and a friend stretched our legs out and still had room...she and I both agreed it was the biggest in a 22 footer that we had sat in. <BR>The windshield was awesome, the cut out gives plenty of room to stick an arm out to stop at the dock. <BR>Tower looks sick and felt solid. <BR>Plenty of storage without ballast sacks in the back. <BR> <BR>The Bad: <BR>A lot of stuff felt cheap...the bumpers on the side felt like they would crack with pressure. <BR>The vinyl didn't feel very thick and makes me worry about years of use. <BR>The seats are not very deep and were almost awkward to sit in and I'm only 5'8". <BR>Lifting the back panels was weird. The pull loops make you think they lift up when they in fact lift to the side. <BR> <BR>The Ugly: <BR>Really this boat is quite pretty...the only complaint I have about ugliness is the door on the swim platform to get to the wedge...I've always hated that. I believe they have an auto set wedge...would the door go away then? <BR> <BR>Conclusion: <BR>All in all this boat is great. So many features on a ridiculously low price compared to what others are offering. This would have absolutely been my first boat if I hadn't purchased the year before it came out. In fact I'm a little sad that it's not my boat. That bow is HUGE! haha. <BR> <BR>PS: I understand that a lot of the things I listed in the bad are how they make this boat so in-expensive. I was just listing what I personally did not like.
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Is the Vinyl any thinner or does it just have less detail and stitching. I would think they would just use the same vinyl material as Malibu but don't put in the time, money into making it fancy. IT might just have the appearance of being cheaper quality vinyl? I have been in one and I was not super impressed. To me they tried to make the boat too utilitarian. The square grab handles in the bow are horrible, the tower material, some of the angles, the see under compartments are all things I don't like. That being said it sounds like it does a great job of providing a great wakeboard wake with the plug and play ballast and wedge. <BR> <BR>If you want a brand new boat with top level wake performance it may be one of the only boats you can get for that price range.
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Brett good point. It may very well good just as good with less stitching...it just felt cheap. Like where I sat it would leave wrinkles in the vinyl. The see under compartments were not my favorite but I'm kind of indifferent to them.
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From what I have understood, the rub rail is designed to be able to be swapped out (Ie rub rail is rough looking and you are going to sell, replace the rail) with a couple screws. The one we were in was pretty solid. <BR> As far as the vinyl, I think its the same quality as Malibu. I know I asked them about it and I couldn't remember if they said the foam wasn't as thick or the vinyl was not. I believe it was just not as much foam. But it was comparable to moombas thickness. <BR>I like the Grab rails with the axis badging into it. They kinda go with the boats flow and roughness look. <BR>The see under compartments worked for me so I can actually see what side my jackets are on or ropes, etc. Plus the LED lighting in there looks pretty awesome at night. <BR> I know they changed some of the things mid to end 09 and those were still '10 boats...one of them being the vinyl and foam. Maybe it was one that was manuf. before they changed that. <BR>I know I am biased to liking it all, but it will work for us well on price and features so we were all for it The ballast is great too because it is all hidden. That was a huge selling point. <BR>The wake is very nice too, it will launch you without effort.
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KDuff- the only wedge you can get on the boat is the Auto Set wedge and it has to be manually deployed. There is no power wedge option on the AXIS.
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Actually all the things that Brett mentioned were things I did not like about the boat either (except for the tower). After we test drove it, those things seemed very minor compared to the performance of the boat. In order to really see what the Axis is all about, you have to test drive it. Then compare that to other boats in its price range...
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ed, what other boats are at that price point? or is that your point? haha <BR> <BR>I think I would forget all about the things I don't like when I test drive it (minus not enough foam in seats). I'll have to see if I can set one up. <BR> <BR>Why is it called the auto set wedge if you have to manually set it?
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KDuff, its called auto set wedge because once you deploy it, it floats according to speed (pressure I guess) and sets itself accordingly vs power wedge which you adjust from the dial.
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"ed, what other boats are at that price point? or is that your point? haha" <BR> <BR>There aren't too many 2010's at that price point. Then try to find a boat at that price point with that much space...
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just looking at brochures for malibu and Axis while making boo, I remember reading that malibu uses 38 oz. vinyl and axis uses 30 ox. vinyl. I could be mistaken, but I remember thinking the vinyl in the axis was not quite as nice as in the vlx or lsv's. <BR> <BR>No big deal, it will not prevent me from buying this boat... unlike the $80k price tag that hangs off of an x-star...
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Any Axis owners in Tampa?????
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John, i think they thickened up the axis vinyl, but I still think it's not as thick as the malibus. It was one of the key reasons my wife wouldn't let me buy an axis and that we ended up with a VTX
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Hey Greg, <BR>Your build should have started now right? Do you get to take pictures of the progress by chance?
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KDuff, sent you an email...
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Has anyone had any issues with the speed control of this boat surging while wakeboarding? I have experienced this behind one last summer. Wondering if they fixed that. <BR> Robby
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I know what your talking about. When we first got ours we couldn't figure out what it was doing. So I called Malibu, they coached me though how the system worked. Its actually very simple once you understand it. Once you reach your speed it will beep, then you also have to watch the display if it starts blinking you need to apply more throttle so that the system can keep a steady speed.
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so you have to keep giving it throttle? i thought perfect pass (and other systems like it) were designed to push the throttle and leave it until your rider fell. i dont like having to keep watching it because teaching a newer driver its one more thing to worry about.
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U just have to put the throttle within a "band" for it to maintain speed. Not hard at all to do.
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Can you not just push the throttle to wide open? I am not familiar with perfect pass but, that is what you do with Tige SpeedSet.
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no u don't have to keep giving it throttle it works just like perfect pass. It beeps when desired speed is reached and holds it. If you move the power wedge a good bit after locking speed or accidentally bump the throttle the screen will flash more throttle until it beeps again. By far the best speed control system i have ever used.
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ohhh ok, do Bu's use the same system? It sounds like that and I have used that before.
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The easiest thing to do is once you here the "beep" just go ahead and give it a little more throttle every time you are taking off. That will give you the extra that you may need.
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Sorry I was referring to Bu. I would assume the axis would have the same system.
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Matt, The Axis is the same concept. Throw down the hammer and when you get to the speed, back up off the throttle a little and it will beep and grab your speed. You can adjust up and down by .2 mph if memory serves me correctly. The one we demoed worked just like our old boat that had perfect pass stargazer. It was dead on and had no issues at all. It will beep if it drops under the speed for whatever reason but just give it a little gas and its good to go. I think when we were playing around in it and not boarding, when we adjusted speed dramatically (adding 5mph+) it beeped because it was too much to try to catch up. Our Stargazer did the same thing too. We never had issues even on a surf wake at 11mph on the a22. It is dead on and will hold speed great. <BR> We just got back from the plant after watching ours get built in the final stages. So awesome! These guys are top notch. They go over and check everything hundreds of times. They are all perfectionists, and that's great to know. They all take pride in their work too and are great people to talk to. If you had any questions, they were willing and more than helpful and tell you how the stuff worked. Just thought id throw in that their customer service is top notch. We are definitely excited to receive ours.
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Axis Owner - Seattle, WA <BR>We ordered our 2010 last month and it is scheduled to show up at the dealer today! A few days prep at the dealer, and it will be ours. We got a fully loaded (every option available - excl. Raptor) with tower mirror and tricked trailer. We saw one first hand, but had not demo'd it, too damn cold! I have read so many good reviews on the boat, and I am sure we will not be disappointed. Going from a stern drive to the Axis should be a world of difference for us! I plan to hit the water in early March, weather permitting and will report back with my comments- <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/774785.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/774786.jpg" alt="Upload">
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^^ That's a nice looking boat Wade. I'm sure you will like it. Give us some reviews once ya gotter dipped.
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ohh one thing i did not take notice to...is there snap out carpet? or an option for it? <BR> <BR>btw Wade nice boat! thanks for the pics!
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Congrats Wade! <BR> <BR>Mine should be ready tomorrow! <BR> <BR>Kduff - snap out carpet is in option... something like $275.
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KDuff, as Ed states there is snap out carpet. If you get one built, I would opt for the Tatami mat. It is mold, heat (holds up doesnt break down) and water shedding. When I say that I mean it doesnt hold mold from the water sitting in the carpet. I have been told its easier to clean too. We saw the Tatami yesterday up close and I like it a lot better than regular carpet. Its a synthetic type material woven together and I think (may have misheard) but its made from recycled bottles. It isnt a considerable amount more than regular carpet. As of now though, Snap on carpet and the Tatami cannot be interchanged without changing snap locations. I believe when the dimensions were sent out something didn't line up exactly and the tatami snap location doesn't quite line up. <BR>Just something to consider. Either way the carpet is a must I think. <BR>Congrats Wade and Ed! <BR>Ours should be in our hands within the next week or two!
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Tatami mat all the way! <BR>we had carpet in our last boat, and I think the Tatami option will be better!
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good info...thanks again guys! <BR> <BR>ed, throw up pics when you have them! dying to see more!
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hey Greg, <BR>I noticed on your tricked trailer you have the black rubber mats, instead of the chrome diamond plating? Did you specify this in your order? Our all black, tricked trailer arrived the same way, when I was expecting the diamond plating? Our dealer called Axis and it was a mistake on their end so they are going to mail me the plates for me to install... FYI-
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Hey Wade, <BR>Yeah, we changed the order to the diamond plating but I am not sure really what happened. I don't think it will look too bad though since ours is tricked black and yellow with all yellow trailer. My original order was to have the black, then we changed it so I am not sure if we were too late on changing it or not. I think we were confirmed for the chrome, but its no biggie. I think the black will hold up pretty well and may go along with the colors good. We go to the plant to pick it up next Wednesday so I'll have to post a pic of me towing it back home lol.. <BR>Thank you for the heads up though, i'll keep that in mind for sure.
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kool... We are picking our boat up at the dealer this Friday! Yeah! I will post some pix as well when it is home-
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Congrats! Wade your boat is the exact same color as ours. So I definitely like it. You guys are gonna love it. Please be sure to post pics when you get it. I want to see the tower mirror. That's one thing I really want to add.
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Brandon, the tower mirror looks really sweet! It matches the boat perfectly and it looks rugged and flows with the boats design. Its pretty heavy but its good because it looks and feels like really good quality. I was impressed and it was def. worth the wait. Have you seen the Z5 rack too? Thats a new option they are rolling out now. They are nice, and I can see the versatility but its just not for me.
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I have the Z5 on my x-2!! We love it...best bimini ever. When we were shopping we loved them on the Moombas and Supras but had other issues so when MC said they had one they could put on for us we were sold! That's really good news for me Greg! i was thinking I was going to have to give it up haha. Little things like that get me pumped! haha
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KDuff, yup they started rolling out the Z5 earlier this month/end of last month I believe. I have to admit it looks good, it really does, I like the ability to roll up the bimini though if we dont want it out...just personal preference though.. <BR>This is one with a Z5 that was at the Knoxville boat show <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/775416.jpg" alt="Upload">
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Here's the mirror, I think they did a really good job! <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/775421.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/775422.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/775423.jpg" alt="Upload">
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I understand why I have the black tread plates vs the aluminum ones. It is based on the type of trailer you order. If you order a tricked out trailer it comes with the black non skid instead of the aluminum ones. The aluminum tread and stainless fenders don't flow well in terms of looks and you would also end up having the aluminum overlap on the SS fenders if you order it like that. <BR> Wade, since yours is tricked out like mine it gets the black non-skid. I understand the reasoning behind it and its nice to know that they have looked as far as at the trailer skid treads to see that it didn't match up well. I can see how Aluminum and SS don't match together. <BR> If you order a trailer where fenders are painted, the aluminum tread plates are put on then to break up the single color look. <BR> After looking at my trailer closer and the pics of my boat, it flows really well. I am excited. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by silvermustang35 on February 17, 2010)
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Greg, <BR>Our trailer is a tricked, but I ordered it solid black w/o the stainless fenders. The dealer told me it has black step pads all round, no diamond plate. I know the rubber pad is standard on the base trailer, but diamond is standard on tricked trailer (so I was told). So, I was expecting the diamond plate on the solid black trailer, but got the pads instead... I am sure it will be fine, but Axis is going to ship me the plates, so I will have the option of installing them. I think on the solid black trailer, the plates would look good, as to tie in the silver portions of the tricked mag wheels... <BR> <BR>Not a real big issue, important thing is we pickup our boat in 2 days!!!
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The tower mirror looks good. I may have to order that. <BR>I have a window tint guy coming out tomorrow to try tint the windshield... I am anxious to see how that is going to look.
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Greg I agree the mirror arm does fit the boat. It has that tuff/ruff look just like the tower. But I think I'll keep my bimini. Thanks for the pics.
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Greg, is that a bottle opener on the bottom of that mirror bracket?
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Cody, yup thats a bottle opener for your favorite yoo hoo. :P That was one of the little subtle things they put on there but its cool to see the little details they are taking into account when designing and making it. <BR>Wade, I understand about it being small in the big picture of getting your boat tomorrow, woot! Congrats! <BR>Ed, I have talked to my tint guy about putting 35% on since we are out until 2-3 am almost every weekend. The lake is really peaceful then. <BR>Brandon, it does look pretty tough and it feels very well built. <BR>I'm right there with you on the bimini too, we are keeping our factory on our a22
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I'm sad to say I actually held that bracket and didn't notice it, great idea.
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man i LOVE the all black with the z5...also love the mirror arm instead of it being on the window...dont even know why they bother putting it on the window...kind of annoying. <BR> <BR>wade, did you big day come yet? i want to see!
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Well, we ended up getting ours this past Friday too! Not even 24 hours into owning it and I had the amp racks pulled out, speakers pulled, drivers side to mount the sub, bimini mounted, and batteries both hooked up to the perko lol. Just gotta mount the Pro80s, install the EQ and redesign the sub box to fit behind the drivers kick panel. Woo hoo! <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776096.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776097.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776098.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776099.jpg" alt="Upload">
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Todays work lol <BR>In the last pic, that blue speaker wire is for the sub, night was approaching and I wanted to make sure it worked. It will be cleaned up and loomed and hidden. <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776105.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776106.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776107.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/776108.jpg" alt="Upload">
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Congrats Greg! Looks awesome. When you have time do you mind sending me a PM about how you wired the batteries to the perko switch. Did you just add the two batteries and hook them up to the switch?
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