75 years ago we put 80k Americans in concentration camps
75 years ago today President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 which forced 80,000 American citizens (and 40,000 more immigrants) out of their homes (losing their businesses and most if not all they owned) and into concentration camps with appalling and inhumane conditions including being forced to live in horse stables. Roughly ONE THIRD of those forced into the concentration camps were school age children.
Before Rod comes rumbling in with his revisionist history saying they "weren't concentration camps" that term is exactly what FDR used himself: "What arrangements and plans have been made relative to concentration camps in the Hawaiian Islands for dangerous of undesirable aliens of citizens in the event of national emergency?" At the Lordsburg facility where prisoners were forced to build war machinery, physically disabled prisoners who were incapable of running were shot in the back by a guard who claimed they were trying to escape - he was pronounced not guilty by an army court-martial board. Timely reminder of what paranoia and populism can do. |
...and if you go back a little more than 75 years before that, democrats were pushing hard to retain the right to own their slaves. Wes, you need to stop hyperventilating.
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Exactly. Important for the rest of us to remember history so the pieces of chit like Mark that are working to destroy our education system don't repeat it.
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Also, just shows the mindset where Mark assumes Wes is playing the left/right game because the example he used was a Republican president so he immediately fires back with an example of the left being bigots. No, that's not the point Wes was making, Roosevelt was a man of his time, as a people we have come a long way, let's show it when the new attack on immigrants comes.
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One of the internment camps, Manzanar, is operated by the US Park Service as an historical site. South of Lone Pine between LA and Mammoth. Well worth the stop if you are ever in the area. There's a movie that plays every 20 minutes or so and a very well done museum. If you've driven by but never stopped because you weren't sure it'd be worth it -- it's definitely worth an hour of your time.
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Why are the LIBERALS torturing themselves with such hyperbole. Nobody is going to be put into camps. Legal immigration will continue.
Why not judge Trump on what he does? OK. Yes, his first travel ban was released poorly and imperfectly. Would have been better if he had his cabinet in place. Other than this, where's the beef? |
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You can't have a rational discussion with a fool like Mark. Stick to sane republicans like Dane.
Speaking of Dane, how could you possibly expect his cabinet to be in place five days after taking office, which was when that ridiculously broken EO was issued? |
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Lol yeah, W picked them because hey we're known liberals. You lie almost as often as Trump.
Next you're gonna say Justice Roberts is a known liberal bench legislator lol. To Mark these words all just mean "they're not giving me my way" just like trump |
From the left: Wes and his wife, Darren and his wife and thewakeisreal with his shack-up girlfriend. http://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/1...e-vida/8730714
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Speaking of photos, look at what those crazy libs put together to make it falsely seem like there was racism involved
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^^^What happened to the Japanese was deplorable and so unfair. (not in the Hillary context, much worse) How is that in any way, shape, or form relevant to deporting people who have snuck into our country illegally? BTW, when did any Mexicans attack our country like Pearl Harbor? You are totally BAKED. Like way out in left field. Like, "where's my car, man"?......
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First of all, this did not happen to "the Japanese." This happened to American citizens. And where at any point did I say anything about deporting people in any way shape or form? Point it out please. I have no problem with deporting people - especially violent criminals. Heck I'm all for a citizenship test that includes grammar and spelling. Half the rubes on this board can head out with the violent illegals.
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Split hairs much? "paranoia and populism" It was in your original post. I took it to mean you're trying to draw a parrallel line between the treatment of Japanese/Americans from yesteryear and current illegal Mexicans about to be deported. Otherwise, what's the point of even starting this stupid thread?
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I think the 75th anniversary of pretty much the worst thing we've done to our own citizens stands on its own. No one drew any parallels to the ice raids but you. I do think there are parallels with what Trump did to permanent residents that could be drawn though, if that makes you feel better.
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You really do think you know everything, don't you? Your ego is quite a thing (although surprisingly fragile). Do you know people who were forced into the concentration camps? I do. One at the age of four.
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I am only a fiscal conservative. A lover of regulated capitalism and law-order. I am registered republican but I have ZERO interest in their social desires. And, before Trump, I was horribly angry with their fiscal moves. GWB was my most hated POTUS ever even though I think he is a decent god fearing simpleton. Trump, while difficult to defend, is appealing from a standpoint of trade, economy and security. I love all races and most cultures. Religions and cultures are a different story and IMO open to criticism since they are just ideas. Religions and cultures that are in conflict with our freedoms should be heavily scrutinized.
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If Trump reforms the US tax system for the better it "might" offset his other stupidity imo. I'll still ridicule his narsassim and bigotry daily tho. |
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Again, since your peabrain seems to have trouble reading, no one said anything about illegal immigration. I did mention legal permanent residents. Read it again - slowly.
And the concentration camp survivors themselves are the ones drawing the parallels and speaking out against Trump, if you care to actually look into it. |
If they polled USA citizens, I wonder how many would say the internment was a bad move. I would bet very high 90s.
Obviously, this has nothing to do with slowing/stopping illegal immigration from Mexico and slowing/stopping dangerous immigration from radical Islamic countries with poor vetting databases. |
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ugh. typical
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I thought this was a wakeboarding website/forum?
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For the third time, this is the non-wakeboarding section.
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Saw an interview with a guy who was 12 when sent to Manzanar. He said that for kids it was like a vacation. They had no chores. They played everyday. For adults it was a different experience.
Any of you historians know anything about Mountain Meadows Massacre? Those Mormons can be terrorists too. Religion killed innocent Americans ...A massacre...Men women children...All killed unarmed by liars who assured them safe passage. Truly evil. |
Definitely interesting and important to reflect on this topic. I run into many people who have never heard of this, so it’s a good history lesson and / or reminder.
I'm 1/4 Japanese - my grandmother was the child of first generation Japanese immigrants who came over in the late 1890’s. Her entire family was interned at various camps. She was at Manzanar with her mom and a couple siblings. She was a youngster at the time, I think in her teens. Her mother died at Manzanar. Their family farms were taken and they basically lost everything they had when they were forced into the camps. They did what they could to maintain some semblance of normal life, maintaining gardens and such, trying to stay active in sports and learning. But obviously living there was not a choice they would make on their own. My grandmother ended up meeting my military grandfather in US-occupied Japan while she was there post-WWII returning her mother's ashes. That's an interesting story - I'm sure some stigma came along with "dating the enemy"... Unfortunately, my grandfather died when he was 61 (don’t drink and smoke, folks!) when I was about 7, so I never got to talk to him about things as an adult. I would have loved to hear information and stories from him. Grandma is 90 now, we're definitely starting to lose those pieces of knowledge and history. I try to learn from her every time we visit - it's pretty interesting / enlightening. At a recent gathering, we learned about how she had an older brother who she never met, because he was sent to Japan for some schooling and WWII broke out while he was there; he was subsequently forced to fight for the Japanese army even though he was technically an American citizen (he died abroad). My wife and I stopped by Manzanar fairly recently, and it was a very good experience. I echo the comment from Shawndoggy that it's worth your time to check it out. It was sobering to see my grandma's name written in the log books on display there. I'm not looking at this post politically per se, but do see some parallels with regard to the sentiment around certain backgrounds, especially those of middle-eastern descent. I have friends and co-workers from various places such as Afghanistan and Palestine, etc. and you see and hear of things that are not that far off from the "This is a white town, Japs move on" rhetoric. Will history repeat itself? Probably not to the same magnitude as the Japanese-American internment during WWII, but I know there is a certain aspect of this floating around out there. |
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my wife is Japanese. Her family lived on Oahu during the war. There is a little known place up in the mountains where the locals were "herded" right after the attack. One of the cousins took us up there once. It was kinda spooky, but interesting.
In the long run, the Hawaiian Japanese locals were not treated poorly. I know that it was different for some of the extended family on the west coast of the main land I did have the privilege of interviewing the great uncles. They were working the cane fields when the Zeros flew directly above them. They were flying so low, that they could see the faces as the pilots looked down at them. I need to dig around in my film/picture box and rewatch that. I'm sure that it is glaringly amateurish. I wish that I could have just produced it and let someone with real interviewing skills do the interaction. to late now :-( |
Cliff, "not treated poorly" is an incorrect characterization. Thousands of people were put in concentration camps here on Oahu including hundreds of American citizens.
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all I know is what the great uncles told me. Apparently, they and their friends helped with the cleanup, and were not part of a concentration camp. I apologize if that doesn't represent others. I certainly wasn't trying to diminish the atrocities of the time. and thanks Wake, your perspective is always interesting reading |
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