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ralph 02-16-2017 10:27 AM

So Drumpf is running dual attacks on "Fake news" organizations and leakers in the white house. That's quite the tight rope.

02-16-2017 11:06 AM

Hahahahaha...... He is still your president........ hahahaha.... Now if we can get Cali to put up that Caliexit vote so I can vote for it, it will be all gold from there. No more democrats for generations.

Funny Shawn says no one is for illegal immigration and open boarders. What the hell you have been listening too. That is what the democrat party platform is. Gov. Gray Davis from California has been recorded in Mexico giving speeches saying that he wants California and Mexico to be on great region. That is why they have been fighting to give Illegals drivers licenses and motor voter- voting resgistrations. It is all about open boarders and illegals. In the last 16 years. There has been a 8% voting swing in California from Republican to Democrat. That is no accident.

02-16-2017 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by plhorn (Post 1953630)
Couldn't agree more. Nothing dumber than hearing "America is the greatest country on earth" coming out of the mouth of someone who has never been any where else.

You mean those people who have to get on boats and go die because those other countries can not figure out how to not murder each other? Who's view is better?

What I have experienced is many who have the 'let them be' attitude before leaving the states, come back with a 'oh hell no' attitude when they come back from being among them.

02-16-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by plhorn (Post 1953860)
The people who suspended our entire government over a BJ are refusing to look into a foreign power's possible takeover of the White House.

The government was not suspended and it was not a BJ. It was a sitting president who LIED UNDER OATH during a sexual assault case unrelated to the BJ. If they would have known about the BJ and other instances of his sexual misconduct, he most likely would not have been president. He did lose is his law license over the deal.

ralph 02-16-2017 11:30 AM

Wow. Donald should really limit it to one bong hit before the next press conference

pesos 02-16-2017 11:59 AM

Hahahahahaha holy sh** what a complete and total meltdown. The dude is seriously unhinged. This is what you folks voted for - congrats!

plhorn 02-16-2017 12:47 PM

I think Trump is paying too much for his candy bars

brettw 02-16-2017 1:17 PM

I don't understand how people can still defend this embarrassing clown. You gotta admit he's a bit off the rails.

The nine most insane moments from Donald Trump’s reality-challenged press conference
https://qz.com/912956/real-leaks-fak...ssconference-/

pesos 02-16-2017 1:24 PM

The man has never had to live in reality. Daddy set him up with 4 millions of today's dollars (not to mention all his business contacts and buddies) and from that point on he's never dealt with anything but yes-men and lawyers to do the dirty work and crush all the little guys he'd work with and screw over. His businesses are mostly failures with the exception of his brand which he has done fairly well with (but again, if he had just invested daddy's gift he would have done better). Turns out that the silverspooned reality tv and screw-the-little-guy skill set doesn't carry over too well to the Presidency.

02-16-2017 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pesos (Post 1953889)
The man has never had to live in reality. Daddy set him up with 4 millions of today's dollars (not to mention all his business contacts and buddies) and from that point on he's never dealt with anything but yes-men and lawyers to do the dirty work and crush all the little guys he'd work with and screw over. His businesses are mostly failures with the exception of his brand which he has done fairly well with (but again, if he had just invested daddy's gift he would have done better). Turns out that the silverspooned reality tv and screw-the-little-guy skill set doesn't carry over too well to the Presidency.

Still
Your
President

pesos 02-16-2017 1:39 PM

Good one!

shawndoggy 02-16-2017 2:14 PM

He's kinda turning out to be all hat no cattle.

plhorn 02-16-2017 2:56 PM

https://medium.com/@justaride/why-li...2a7#.kty5yrhh3

Why liberals are wrong about Trump

Good read.

02-16-2017 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953873)
Hahahahaha...... He is still your president........ hahahaha.... Now if we can get Cali to put up that Caliexit vote so I can vote for it, it will be all gold from there. No more democrats for generations.

Funny Shawn says no one is for illegal immigration and open boarders. What the hell you have been listening too. That is what the democrat party platform is. Gov. Gray Davis from California has been recorded in Mexico giving speeches saying that he wants California and Mexico to be on great region. That is why they have been fighting to give Illegals drivers licenses and motor voter- voting resgistrations. It is all about open boarders and illegals. In the last 16 years. There has been a 8% voting swing in California from Republican to Democrat. That is no accident.

Considering California was flying high during Clinton, then got destroyed by the republican governator and Bush, I would say that is pretty understandable.

02-16-2017 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWakeIsReal (Post 1953896)
Considering California was flying high during Clinton, then got destroyed by the republican governator and Bush, I would say that is pretty understandable.

Only flying high was him removing the protections of the house lending and the tech bubble in which was set up in previous decades with investment in technology. Now we are all paying for that.

I was actually going the other way with illegals voting (set up by motor voting and illegals able to get drivers licenses) and unfettered illegal immigration finally taking hold with second generation children. You also have middle class leaving the state and retired people leaving in droves.

ralph 02-16-2017 9:45 PM

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Trump just toured the Dakota pipeline. He said things went well!

pesos 02-16-2017 10:58 PM

Fox News calls Trump a liar on air..."demonstrably, unquestionably, 100% false" "it's crazy what we're watching every day"

The constant lying and buck-passing is pathetic, even for someone as pathetic is Trump. How anyone can continue to support such a pathetic and embarrassing person after today boggles my mind.

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markj 02-16-2017 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ralph (Post 1953905)
Trump just toured the Dakota pipeline. He said things went well!

Injuns!!! -Yosemite Sam.

grant_west 02-16-2017 11:41 PM

I watched/listend to Trumps new conference on you tube as I drive to the lake. This was awesome the whole time I kept saying to my self I LOVE HOW MUCH TRUMP DOSENT SOUND LIKE OBAMA. As bad as he might have sounded to you Libs it was music to my ears. He repeats himself and he said some stupid things but even with all the stupid things it was 1000 times better then anything "The Comunity organizer" ever whipped up.

This guy is awesome sauce MERICA

pesos 02-16-2017 11:49 PM

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Grant would vote for President Camacho if he could (although he'd never be able to spell Camacho). Idiocracy is the here and now.

diamonddad 02-17-2017 12:14 AM

Trumps press conference was great today!

CNN of course said he was "unhinged" as he calmly bashed the Trump Smearing Network.

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ralph 02-17-2017 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by grant_west (Post 1953911)
As bad as he might have sounded to you Libs it was music to my ears

Errrr, he sounded bad to FOX NEWS. Nice trolling tho G, really some quality work

diamonddad 02-17-2017 1:19 AM

With Obama in office, CNN was much more fair than FOX.
With Trump in office, FOX is much more fair than CNN.
Note, I voted for both.

pesos 02-17-2017 2:59 AM

Dane did you not watch the Fox clip above? Even Fox thinks he's a liar or a loon or both.

Trump asked General Harward to take the mark security adviser job and he turned it down. His friend quoted him as saying the White House is nothing but chaos and the offer was a "sh** sandwich" lol. He's got that right.

shawndoggy 02-17-2017 4:52 AM

one man's poop hoagie is another man's fine tuned machine.

wake77 02-17-2017 6:22 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953916)
With Obama in office, CNN was much more fair than FOX.
With Trump in office, FOX is much more fair than CNN.
Note, I voted for both.

So you agree with Fox that Trump is being dishonest?

grant_west 02-17-2017 7:52 AM

Wes: I dont know what you had against President Camacho he was awesome! Wes you must be a Racist LOL

grant_west 02-17-2017 8:07 AM

Ralph: trolling? Well maybe a little :) lol but seriously The Comunity Organizer, was a silver toung devil that mofo could speak! No doubt about it Yes we Can= No we can't Hope = Nope! His Globalist approach was $hit for the US. His biggest contribution to the inner the cities & Blacks was What? To tell them that "if he had a son it would of looked Like Treyvon" I could go on but what would that do. The same go's for you guys the sooner you realize that the faster you can come out of your "safe spaces" Right now all you guys can do is make fun, point fingers, stomp your feet, well you know the drill better then me,
Like Lee said lead, follow, or get out of the way!

02-17-2017 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pesos (Post 1953809)
The people who voted for such an incompetent man-child put that and a whole lot more in jeopardy. The emperor has no clothes and history is going to remember.

Let's visit this.

What do you say about Obama overseeing the over throw of the governments in Egypt, Syria and Lybia? How has that made us all safer?

ralph 02-17-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953932)
Let's visit this.

What do you say about Obama overseeing the over throw of the governments in Egypt, Syria and Lybia? How has that made us all safer?

It hasn't of course. All i will say is I think previous actions have been taken with considered thought and advice from experts. These situations are so complex i don't think it is wise to think of these situations of either right or wrong options, the outcomes are not binary. I think in terms of good-ok-not ideal-disaster. What trump will do in theses situations is unknown, but i think that ignoring advice and making reactionary decisions with bluster is unlikely to tip the situation towards the good-ok end of the spectrum.

grant_west 02-17-2017 10:17 AM

^^^exactly^^^
Let's face it all the people that voted for "The Community organizer" are feeling pretty left out. They are feeling like the red headed step child about now. It's ok kiddys your teen drama & your acne should clear up in a few years. It's normal for you teenagers to hate your parents, LOL LOL.


Honestly I know how you kiddys feel. When Nancy Pelosi stood up and said "You have to Vote it in Before you get to see what's inside" and the Dems rammed Obama care down our throats, I know how that felt. I'm sure that's about how you Libs are feeling when Daddy says No. LOL LOL LOL

wake77 02-17-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953932)
Let's visit this.

What do you say about Obama overseeing the over throw of the governments in Egypt, Syria and Lybia? How has that made us all safer?

Yet, you had no problem when Bush marched the troops into Iraq. Interesting.

02-17-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ralph (Post 1953937)
It hasn't of course. All i will say is I think previous actions have been taken with considered thought and advice from experts. These situations are so complex i don't think it is wise to think of these situations of either right or wrong options, the outcomes are not binary. I think in terms of good-ok-not ideal-disaster. What trump will do in theses situations is unknown, but i think that ignoring advice and making reactionary decisions with bluster is unlikely to tip the situation towards the good-ok end of the spectrum.

Did you feel that way when Bush did it?

What make you think that Trump will not do that? Successful business people surround themselves with smart people to collect the data and come up with plans with each departments different biases in mind. The top executive has to make a decision if those plans meet the objectives of the direction of the company/ country. The executive staff may argue like cats and dogs about where they are going. At the end of the day, the executive has to stand up and take the heat and they get the reward. I think Trump has had to do that for years in his business dealings.

That is why it is easier for executives to be President than say a congressman. Congressmen don't have to really put their foot down and take action. It always ends up being a group effort and they never really have to take responsibility.

grant_west 02-17-2017 10:28 AM

I loved how Trump called out the Media over and over again yesterday. It's so true. They are so full of $hit and report story's Not to tell the truth but to sell story's. And the media has reported Trumps press conf, just as he said they would, "Trump Un hinged" bla bla bla. Yes that's the headlines. But he's 100% correct about the Whitehouse leeks. How come the press is not all over that story???? It has more to do with national security then you think, but how come No media investigation on that?? Why do they not report of these serious crimes

02-17-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wake77 (Post 1953940)
Yet, you had no problem when Bush marched the troops into Iraq. Interesting.

I just asked the question? I just referenced the same question at Ralph. Did he feel that way when Bush did it? How about you?

With Bush, I though it was not ideal but I understood. We were attacked and it was clear that the middleeast was becoming sofisticated and unified enough support attacks on America from their soil. We had sold them WMD before and we did not need them ending up in some radicals hands. Also the culture over there had become so toxic against the west that if we wanted to try and changed that, we needed to plant a seed of democracy in a country and Iraq was influential enough that it may work.

Short term, I see Iraq as neutral. We do have land bases where we can attack from the middle east. Strategically for the military, I think it is a win. You are hearing less and less about Iraq now. They clearly are not a player on the world stage as far as a cross border trouble spot. That is a win. The Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS are not in control of the country. That is a win. They are not a government ran by Imam's (though I am sure they control the tribal votes). You don't have a mass refugee issue with Iraq so it must be stable enough.

How does that compare to those 3 countries? Mass refugees, ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood strongholds. Multi country proxy war. Is that really done well?

02-17-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953944)
I just asked the question? I just referenced the same question at Ralph. Did he feel that way when Bush did it? How about you?

With Bush, I though it was not ideal but I understood. We were attacked and it was clear that the middleeast was becoming sofisticated and unified enough support attacks on America from their soil. We had sold them WMD before and we did not need them ending up in some radicals hands. Also the culture over there had become so toxic against the west that if we wanted to try and changed that, we needed to plant a seed of democracy in a country and Iraq was influential enough that it may work.

Short term, I see Iraq as neutral. We do have land bases where we can attack from the middle east. Strategically for the military, I think it is a win. You are hearing less and less about Iraq now. They clearly are not a player on the world stage as far as a cross border trouble spot. That is a win. The Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS are not in control of the country. That is a win. They are not a government ran by Imam's (though I am sure they control the tribal votes). You don't have a mass refugee issue with Iraq so it must be stable enough.

How does that compare to those 3 countries? Mass refugees, ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood strongholds. Multi country proxy war. Is that really done well?

You clearly don't understand who ISIS is if you're argument is that ISIS is not in control of Iraq. They are from Iraq. They are the old army of Iraq that Bush pushed out. Again, clueless posts from you. Now Google this like you did water vapor and come back and explain what I just explained in a slightly different way to appear like you knew.

plhorn 02-17-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by grant_west (Post 1953943)
But he's 100% correct about the Whitehouse leeks. How come the press is not all over that story???? It has more to do with national security then you think, but how come No media investigation on that?? Why do they not report of these serious crimes

So grant you're saying that the house on fire is not the problem, it's that damn fire alarm that won't shut up?:banghead:

grant_west 02-17-2017 11:59 AM

Trump pointed out quite clearly. How are you to make deals with world leaders when you have your conversations being leaked. I agree the press is not doing anything to make things better. I believe in a free and open democracy but I also agree that some conversations and deals the fine details don't need to be part of the public record .

psudy 02-17-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wake77 (Post 1953940)
Yet, you had no problem when Bush marched the troops into Iraq. Interesting.

He should have learned something from the Bush disaster and not done further harm by destabilizing other countries.

brhanley 02-17-2017 2:57 PM

This about sums it up.
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Originally Posted by plhorn (Post 1953893)
https://medium.com/@justaride/why-li...2a7#.kty5yrhh3

Why liberals are wrong about Trump

Good read.


pesos 02-17-2017 3:06 PM

Lol Trump gets an early start on his weekend - back in Florida by 3:30pm. Been in office a month and already taken 3 vacations to Florida at around 3 mil a pop. Nice!

02-17-2017 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWakeIsReal (Post 1953945)
You clearly don't understand who ISIS is if you're argument is that ISIS is not in control of Iraq. They are from Iraq. They are the old army of Iraq that Bush pushed out. Again, clueless posts from you. Now Google this like you did water vapor and come back and explain what I just explained in a slightly different way to appear like you knew.

Get over yourself. What more do you want to know about water vapor. It either goes acidic from contamination or more gets in the atmosphere or it doesn't. What is their really to know except it has a bigger contribution to warming than CO2. You seem to be angry that I was able to prove my point through google, but are not able to contradict my point. I am the one who brought the water vapor issue to the table for the discussion in the first place. CO2 is plant food. Water and O2 (with other mixed gases) keeps us alive. Remember, I am not the one who is willing to sell my countries freedom down the tube over water vapor like you are.

You really think the ex Iraqi army is in Syria and Lebenon? Not likely. The regular Army of Iraq were conscripts. You may have some military leaders who are hard liners but the regulars are not. Besides, I thought that there were no terrorists in Iraq.

02-17-2017 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWakeIsReal (Post 1953945)
You clearly don't understand who ISIS is if you're argument is that ISIS is not in control of Iraq. They are from Iraq. They are the old army of Iraq that Bush pushed out. Again, clueless posts from you. Now Google this like you did water vapor and come back and explain what I just explained in a slightly different way to appear like you knew.

And no. They are not in control of Iraq. They made some local pushes in areas and they have been squashed for the most part from the articles I have read. They still have elections and a representative government which is rare in the middle east.

Saying ISIS is in control of Iraq is like saying democrats control America. No they only burn down, keep minority populations destitute, and murder each other by the thousands in the cities they control, but overall they are not in control of America.

02-17-2017 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWakeIsReal (Post 1953945)
You clearly don't understand who ISIS is if you're argument is that ISIS is not in control of Iraq. They are from Iraq. They are the old army of Iraq that Bush pushed out. Again, clueless posts from you. Now Google this like you did water vapor and come back and explain what I just explained in a slightly different way to appear like you knew.

One more. So I take it that your behind Obama's destabilization of those other countries? You guys have been very silent on that topic? Is that something that we need to not talk about or should be get back to lighting fires and busting in buildings to keep Jewish, Gay, Foreigners from having a forum to speak?

02-17-2017 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pesos (Post 1953954)
Lol Trump gets an early start on his weekend - back in Florida by 3:30pm. Been in office a month and already taken 3 vacations to Florida at around 3 mil a pop. Nice!

Just think. 7 more years of your daily Trump watch. You are going to be exhausted.

If you don't mind, I want to know the next time he farts. Need to know if it is a giggler fart or a SBD?

plhorn 02-17-2017 4:23 PM

I'm sure Obama could have done alot better.

Now lets talk about the present. You Trumpers need to start defending Trump based on Trump, not based on Obama or Hillary. They are both gone and irrelevant in the conversation today.

Trump has nominated a bunch of foxes to guard the hen house and you Trumpers need to either defend those decisions or switch sides.
So far what we KNOW is that the following:
The Russians had a concerted effort to manipulate our election.
One of Trumps top guys had conversations with Russian spies before taking before starting the job, lied about it to the VP and Trump knew about it for two weeks but only fired him after the information was made public.
6 Trump staffers have been let go because they could not pass the security screening.
The GOP doesn't want to open an investigation into any possible issues with the white house and the Russians, though they had 33 thorough investigations into Bengazi.

These are facts, defend your man.

plhorn 02-17-2017 4:24 PM

What do you think Regan would think of Trump and his current policies?

02-17-2017 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by plhorn (Post 1953959)
I'm sure Obama could have done alot better.

Now lets talk about the present. You Trumpers need to start defending Trump based on Trump, not based on Obama or Hillary. They are both gone and irrelevant in the conversation today.

Trump has nominated a bunch of foxes to guard the hen house and you Trumpers need to either defend those decisions or switch sides.
So far what we KNOW is that the following:
The Russians had a concerted effort to manipulate our election.
One of Trumps top guys had conversations with Russian spies before taking before starting the job, lied about it to the VP and Trump knew about it for two weeks but only fired him after the information was made public.
6 Trump staffers have been let go because they could not pass the security screening.
The GOP doesn't want to open an investigation into any possible issues with the white house and the Russians, though they had 33 thorough investigations into Bengazi.

These are facts, defend your man.

We are talking about the present. In the present, you democrats are bitching and moaning about every fart that is let. This is how things work. You guys got to drive and now we are driving. I don't have to defend anything because I am perfectly happy at the moment. On the other hand, you are in the situation you are in because of your radicalism and internationalism at the expense of the working class American.

I don't even care if any of those things you brought up are true or a big deal at this point. WHY? Because everything has been a big deal to you so I really don't know what is a big deal anymore. All I know is you will most likely firebomb something else in a few days so what will be different?

News flash. All foreign governments try and influence our elections. That is why we try to pass laws against finance from foreign governments in our process. You want to know what possibly kept the Russians from influencing the vote? Hillary following the law for starters. Hillary not being Hillary in general. Hillary not telling hard working miners that she was going to shut them down in the name of the fake environmental god. Hillary actually acting like she cared would middle America. Hillary not telling Americans that she wanted to keep them from owning guns. And the list goes on and on.

So you can keep telling me the Russians are a big deal and I really don't give a flying F$*k. So are the Chinese who we actually fought in two wars. So is Islam who has fought us in wars and are partially responsible for the establishment of the modern Marine Corp. Heck Islam has been trying to destroy western culture for over 1000 years. So no. The Russians don't bother me. They only bother you because A) it is something to complain about B) Hillary lost.

02-17-2017 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by plhorn (Post 1953960)
What do you think Regan would think of Trump and his current policies?

Don't know. Trump has only been in office for one month. Same as you should do. Wait and find out something real, then complain.

I know that Reagan shut down illegal protestors harshly. Even sent in the national guard to take care of them. He fired Air Traffic Controllers for an illegal strike. He made the Russians believe that he meant business when it came to them thinking we would use deadly force in dealing with situations. He also worked closely with them when they signaled they had enough.

plhorn 02-17-2017 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953961)
long rant... Hillary hillary hillary... rant

So to answer my question: you refuse to defend your man.

02-17-2017 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953956)
And no. They are not in control of Iraq. They made some local pushes in areas and they have been squashed for the most part from the articles I have read. They still have elections and a representative government which is rare in the middle east.

Saying ISIS is in control of Iraq is like saying democrats control America. No they only burn down, keep minority populations destitute, and murder each other by the thousands in the cities they control, but overall they are not in control of America.

Hey man, I'll just leave this google search for you here. Again you show yourself to be completely clueless on the topic and start reaching for things. Read up. They may not be in control of Iraq but the invasion led to ISIS no matter what you wanna say about it.

Obama's decisions in hindsight were awful. But in the moment there weren't many people fighting him on his decisions in other countries in the middle east. Just as there were people wrong on both sides of the Iraw war. I'm simply telling you that the Iraq war fundamentally started ISIS. So even if they currently aren't in control of Iraq, that isn't much to be proud of considering Iraq spawned the boogie man you guys are ****ting yourselves over.

Google this
is isis the old iraqi army

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/...-islamicstate/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.0afb11dbe37e

wake77 02-17-2017 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953961)
We are talking about the present. In the present, you democrats are bitching and moaning about every fart that is let. This is how things work. You guys got to drive and now we are driving. I don't have to defend anything because I am perfectly happy at the moment. On the other hand, you are in the situation you are in because of your radicalism and internationalism at the expense of the working class American.

I don't even care if any of those things you brought up are true or a big deal at this point. WHY? Because everything has been a big deal to you so I really don't know what is a big deal anymore. All I know is you will most likely firebomb something else in a few days so what will be different?

News flash. All foreign governments try and influence our elections. That is why we try to pass laws against finance from foreign governments in our process. You want to know what possibly kept the Russians from influencing the vote? Hillary following the law for starters. Hillary not being Hillary in general. Hillary not telling hard working miners that she was going to shut them down in the name of the fake environmental god. Hillary actually acting like she cared would middle America. Hillary not telling Americans that she wanted to keep them from owning guns. And the list goes on and on.

So you can keep telling me the Russians are a big deal and I really don't give a flying F$*k. So are the Chinese who we actually fought in two wars. So is Islam who has fought us in wars and are partially responsible for the establishment of the modern Marine Corp. Heck Islam has been trying to destroy western culture for over 1000 years. So no. The Russians don't bother me. They only bother you because A) it is something to complain about B) Hillary lost.

Do you think you'll ever join the rest of the world in the 21st century? I find it very hypocritical that you lecture people on Christianity out of one side of your mouth while you defend a liar out of the other side. Be consistent or give the Jesus talk a rest.

02-17-2017 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953962)
Don't know. Trump has only been in office for one month. Same as you should do. Wait and find out something real, then complain.

I know that Reagan shut down illegal protestors harshly. Even sent in the national guard to take care of them. He fired Air Traffic Controllers for an illegal strike. He made the Russians believe that he meant business when it came to them thinking we would use deadly force in dealing with situations. He also worked closely with them when they signaled they had enough.

Ahh yes, lets bring up shooting protestors in the back with buck shot shall we? Or when they basically used Vietnam tactics and spread chemicals over the city by helicopter?

I actually don't mind Reagan and I do think he played a huge role in getting Gorbachev to come to his senses, but I wouldn't bring up what he did to the protestors.

ralph 02-17-2017 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deltahoosier (Post 1953941)
Did you feel that way when Bush did it?

What make you think that Trump will not do that? Successful business people surround themselves with smart people to collect the data and come up with plans with each departments different biases in mind. The top executive has to make a decision if those plans meet the objectives of the direction of the company/ country. The executive staff may argue like cats and dogs about where they are going. At the end of the day, the executive has to stand up and take the heat and they get the reward. I think Trump has had to do that for years in his business dealings.

That is why it is easier for executives to be President than say a congressman. Congressmen don't have to really put their foot down and take action. It always ends up being a group effort and they never really have to take responsibility.

Bush Snr, yes i think that was probably the right call. Bush Jnr no, that was a mistake imo.

The reason i don't think trump will carefully consider anything is he just hasn't displayed the ability to calmly consider anything. Everything seems to be reactionary and bizarre

diamonddad 02-17-2017 6:51 PM

Trump was very hesitant toward taking out Saddam. He is slso very against nation building. Everyone knows my opinion on these matters.

diamonddad 02-17-2017 8:15 PM

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The LIBIOT's continue to bathe in fake news...

diamonddad 02-17-2017 8:27 PM

Question: should Islam be held accountable for Radical Islam?

ralph 02-17-2017 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953974)
Question: should Islam be held accountable for Radical Islam?

Should moderate Christians be held responsible for the KKK and westboro Baptist Church?

diamonddad 02-17-2017 9:30 PM

OK, since we are answering questions with questions...

Should the Catholic Church have been criticized for their priest scandal?

Unlike the priest scandal, the actions of radical/fundamental/literal Muslims is FULLY supported but the scripture of the religion and the actions of their prophet.

Plus, by scale, the Islam problem is 1000s of times more significant in scale.

diamonddad 02-17-2017 9:55 PM

What is strange is that moderate Muslims are the most killed group by the radical/fundamentalist Muslims and yet they say almost nothing and they have almost no influence. Why is this?

diamonddad 02-17-2017 10:03 PM

Plus, if the KKK was relevant and terrorizing the USA/WORLD then I would think every avenue would be used to shut them down.

ralph 02-17-2017 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953976)
OK, since we are answering questions with questions...

Should the Catholic Church have been criticized for their priest scandal? .

Yes. Unlike the other examples it is something they are directly responsible for

ralph 02-17-2017 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953977)
What is strange is that moderate Muslims are the most killed group by the radical/fundamentalist Muslims and yet they say almost nothing and they have almost no influence. Why is this?

Moderate Muslims get zero mainstream media, where would you expect to here it?

ralph 02-17-2017 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953978)
Plus, if the KKK was relevant and terrorizing the USA/WORLD then I would think every avenue would be used to shut them down.

Yes probably true but did that make mainstream Christianity responsible for them?

diamonddad 02-17-2017 11:13 PM

The KKK is irrelevant. If they were creating international havoc claiming to be the ultimate followers of Jesus, the Christians would be speaking up in mass.

diamonddad 02-17-2017 11:14 PM

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Unlike the other examples it is something they are directly responsible for
Nonsense.

fly135 02-18-2017 6:00 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953974)
Question: should Islam be held accountable for Radical Islam?

No, you should judge someone by their beliefs and actions. Not by a 3rd party interpretation of their religion. Christians don't want to be judged by the fact they don't pay any attention to the actual teaching of their savior. Why should Muslims be judged if they don't pay attention to the actual teaching, as interpreted by the christian conservative, of their prophet?

02-18-2017 11:27 AM

Again, white terrorism on the rise here eh? Those darn refugees though making our country unsafe though I tell you what!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...attack-n721881

markj 02-18-2017 11:58 AM

Holy cow! Figuratively speaking, Delta and GD not only have you libbies on the ground, they're stomping your heads in too. This is a bloodbath. Wow.

ralph 02-18-2017 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by markj (Post 1953990)
Holy cow! Figuratively speaking, Delta and GD not only have you libbies on the ground, they're stomping your heads in too. This is a bloodbath. Wow.

Fake news! Dishonest Christians! Sad!

ralph 02-18-2017 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1953983)
Nonsense.

If it is your position that moderate Muslims should be responsible for extremist Muslims then I would suggest you just widen your scope and say all moderate religion is responsible for all religious extremists. Otherwise you are just being a hypocrite. Not that hypocrisy is something Christians seem to have a problem with.

ralph 02-18-2017 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pesos (Post 1953954)
Lol Trump gets an early start on his weekend - back in Florida by 3:30pm. Been in office a month and already taken 3 vacations to Florida at around 3 mil a pop. Nice!

What's that, Trump has spent more on holidays in a month than Obama did in a year? Not bad for a guy who slammed Obama for taking holidays and said he wouldn't take holidays if he was in office. Not only is he stupid he is a hypocrite.

markj 02-18-2017 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ralph (Post 1953993)
Fake news! Dishonest Christians! Sad!

Sticks and stones...

diamonddad 02-18-2017 6:44 PM

Moderate Muslims are in no way responsible for the actions of radical Muslims. Complicit or not, they are not responsible. Never the less, this serious problem for the civilized world can only be resolved by Muslims. No outside influence will fix this. Only Muslims can fix what Islam is producing. And, IMO, the civilized world has every right to ask Muslims to get their house in order.

ralph 02-19-2017 12:53 AM

I don't agree it can only be solved by Muslims, it has to be tackled by everyone doing there bit. If first world nations would stop invading 3rd world oil rich nations that would be a good start.

cwb4me 02-19-2017 4:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fly135 (Post 1953985)
No, you should judge someone by their beliefs and actions. Not by a 3rd party interpretation of their religion. Christians don't want to be judged by the fact they don't pay any attention to the actual teaching of their savior. Why should Muslims be judged if they don't pay attention to the actual teaching, as interpreted by the christian conservative, of their prophet?

Sounds like you're judging all Christians by the actions of some Christians.What is a Christian? Where are these so called Christians failing? As far as judging Muslims God's word explains that clearly. God is the only true judge. As a true Christian we are commanded not to judge others,but to love others.

brettw 02-19-2017 9:16 AM

I hope the Swedes are doing okay.

shawndoggy 02-19-2017 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by brettw (Post 1954019)
I hope the Swedes are doing okay.

I wonder if the reports of Sweden essentially saying "WTF?" are fake news? Probably. Sad.

ralph 02-19-2017 10:27 AM

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Yes, our hearts go out to the swedes. Oh, as i was talking about earlier

ralph 02-19-2017 10:31 AM

Fake news reports 7,000 people turned up for Donalds victory lap, I wonder how many people actually turned up? 100,000 probably, Donald will tell us soon

pesos 02-20-2017 12:38 AM

Honestly Dane, as a fiscal conservative how do you feel about Trump spending $11.3 million in one month for 3 trips to Mar a Lago and his son to go South America to promote a new Trump tower? Obama's average was barely more than that PER YEAR.

Also curious what you think about the Dallas Morning News report on what's already happening in Texas with Trump's bluster on trade
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/co...attle-ranchers

ord27 02-20-2017 10:10 AM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/1...mp-border-wall

DCross 02-20-2017 10:16 AM

I thought this was a wakeboarding website/forum?

pesos 02-20-2017 10:22 AM

Bahahaha. Wow Cliff that group needs to spend a few bucks on a decent website. And the article reads like a commercial lol. Could tell it was illegitimate just from the "interview" before looking up how little credibility this group has.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent...ration_Studies

pesos 02-20-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DCross (Post 1954108)
I thought this was a wakeboarding website/forum?

You're in the "non-wakeboarding" section, broham.

ord27 02-20-2017 11:30 AM

I agree with your web site comment. But, it does make an interesting point. How much does keeping illegals illegal cost the economy. If your answer is nothing....then I suggest that you visit a border town near you.
I do think that a rational discussion needs to had about status. amnesty, deport, or status quo. There seems to be only name calling and aggression

diamonddad 02-20-2017 12:14 PM

Wes, do you realize that 1 million is 1 millionth of a trillion and we have a 20T debt? There is a much bigger picture than monthly incidentals.

With all changes there are winners and losers. NAFTA created a ton of USA workers as losers. Reversing bad ideas will create losers in the short term.

pesos 02-20-2017 12:26 PM

Dane, your math seems a little off.

Trump is averaging $10million/MONTH more than Obama which by my math is $120mil per year and nearly half a bil for his term.

Not a number to so flippantly discount, especially when it's going for biz trips to fill the Trump coffers. Reducing the debt starts with reducing the deficit (something Obama did consistently). Hope Trump follows suit.

pesos 02-20-2017 11:55 PM

p.s. kudos to Trump on the McMaster pick. finally someone who's sharp and is not a yes man. Hope he lasts.

diamonddad 02-24-2017 4:36 PM

I am all for gay marriage and transgender acceptance but this is a great example of why liberal loon kumbaya logic fails miserably...

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pesos 02-24-2017 5:51 PM

So I take it you're fine with him spending half a billion (or a billion if two terms) on vacations and trips for private biz on the taxpayer dime?

How about wasting more taxpayer dollars going after states that have legalized marijuana? Not only is it an absurd waste of resources, but whatever happened to state rights? Guess that's only when convenient.

02-24-2017 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1954491)
I am all for gay marriage and transgender acceptance but this is a great example of why liberal loon kumbaya logic fails miserably...

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The guy is citing Breitbart. While I don't agree with the CNN guy, I don't think many transgender women are PROUD of their penis and probably won't go around showing it off in a women's locker room. Also a strange locker room for 12 year olds to be in with a grown anybody whether or not they're the same sex or not so the whole argument is pretty much null. I know for any youth sports a grown ANYBODY couldn't be naked in the room with minors. So this entire thing is idiotic. Including the CNN guy.

diamonddad 02-24-2017 6:20 PM

I totally disagree with the concept that you ARE what you think you ARE at the moment. It leaves openings for massive abuse.

Tucker takes the gender-choice further and abuses this thimble brained liberal...

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pesos 02-24-2017 6:36 PM

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Strange how Trump hasn't tweeted about the domestic terrorist that shot 3 people at a bar in Kansas after yelling "get out of my country."

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...134459444.html

02-24-2017 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1954495)
I totally disagree with the concept that you ARE what you think you ARE at the moment. It leaves openings for massive abuse.

I am all for gay marriage and transgender acceptance but this is a great example of why liberal loon kumbaya logic fails miserably...


So wait, you don't agree with transgender's acceptance but you are all for transgender acceptance. Makes sense. Must be my damn liberal brain that can't follow your logic. Why don't you break down why that guy's video isn't right? Would you want a naked penis around your 12 year old boy in the mens locker room? Does this have anything to do with transgender? Or is it just common sense that you don't have naked adults around children.

diamonddad 02-24-2017 9:32 PM

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I totally disagree with the concept that you ARE what you think you ARE at the moment.
If you are a male and you want to live your life as a female, you should have to find the support of a shrink and legally change your gender to tfemale.

This way, you are one gender at a time and you can prove it. This way some sicko non-transgender fool cannot game the system.

wake77 02-25-2017 6:20 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1954498)
If you are a male and you want to live your life as a female, you should have to find the support of a shrink and legally change your gender to tfemale.

This way, you are one gender at a time and you can prove it. This way some sicko non-transgender fool cannot game the system.

So are you advocating having to "prove" gender to use a public bathroom? Like showing your genitalia to enter a restroom?

onlyinboards 02-25-2017 7:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pesos (Post 1954496)
Strange how Trump hasn't tweeted about the domestic terrorist that shot 3 people at a bar in Kansas after yelling "get out of my country."

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...134459444.html



This was very close to where I grew up and i still have friends that live very close to where this happened. It is crazy to me that this isn't receiving more attention. If a Musiim ran into a bar yelling death to infidels you know Trump would be all over it. White guy shooting innocent people in the name of bigotry and racism... birds chirping.

02-25-2017 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddad (Post 1954498)
If you are a male and you want to live your life as a female, you should have to find the support of a shrink and legally change your gender to tfemale.

This way, you are one gender at a time and you can prove it. This way some sicko non-transgender fool cannot game the system.

Can you explain to me how you can "game the system" by being a pretend transgender?

02-25-2017 9:02 AM

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Originally Posted by onlyinboards (Post 1954504)
This was very close to where I grew up and i still have friends that live very close to where this happened. It is crazy to me that this isn't receiving more attention. If a Musiim ran into a bar yelling death to infidels you know Trump would be all over it. White guy shooting innocent people in the name of bigotry and racism... birds chirping.

Because Trumpettes don't want to admit that this entire thing is backfiring. The whites are the ones acting out of control and are soon going to grow the very thing they're so scared of if they keep shooting up mosques and foreigners.


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