The election is RIGGED!
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Sounds like the democrats during Bush v Gore.
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We can go on about democrat election rigging through history. Kennedy over Nixon where 3 people were ultimately jailed and 600 plus indicted on election fraud in Chicago. Hell, my name was on the ballot twice this last midterm. You don't need ID so I could have voted twice. |
This is all very entertaining. For balance I would like to see some Hilderbeast supporters made to look stupid as well, surely Drumpf doesn't have a monopoly on retarded supporters. Or maybe interview some Drumpf supporters who can string 3-4 coherent thoughts together. That might be harder to achieve tho....
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You know what is really sad is these idiots just want a better life for themselves, their families and their country and they have been duped in to thinking that Drumpf wants that for them too. Little do they know the narsassit dimwit has neither the skill or inclination to provide it. Not that their life will be any better under Hilderbeast i guess, less likely to be worse tho which is a strong possibility under Drumpf imo.
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Again, there are actually plenty of ways you guys have tried to rig elections. Same day registration, early voting, voter ids. THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD. |
It already happened remember the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.now she works for Hill lie ory .No doubt you don't even have to be alive to vote Democrat.
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North Carolina passed a law requiring voters to show ID. Seems normal to me, until the courts got involved saying it was a racist ploy to oppress black folk. So now they can vote with no ID.
What voter fraud??? :confused: :banghead: |
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riggers are everywhere!!
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Before you jump to conclusions, the theme of the article basically says that Nixon was not robbed and that his cronies pressed for recounts and so on and they were not fruitful but there was voter fraud in Cook County (Chicago). So yes, fraud happens. Was Nixon Robbed? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...on_robbed.html On the other hand, some fraud clearly occurred in Cook County. At least three people were sent to jail for election-related crimes, and 677 others were indicted before being acquitted by Judge John M. Karns, a Daley crony. Many of the allegations involved practices that wouldn't be detected by a recount, leading the conservative Chicago Tribune, among others, to conclude that "once an election has been stolen in Cook County, it stays stolen." What's more, according to journalist Seymour Hersh, a former Justice Department prosecutor who heard tapes of FBI wiretaps from the period believed that Illinois was rightfully Nixon's. Hersh also has written that J. Edgar Hoover believed Nixon actually won the presidency but in deciding to follow normal procedures and refer the FBI's findings to the attorney general—as of Jan. 20, 1961, Robert F. Kennedy—he effectively buried the case. |
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ha! if you think legislation from the '60s is still relevant today, you're part of the problem. you and every other kook are so quick to start beating the **** out of your racist drum. Amazing how blind you all are. |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us...gain.html?_r=0 |
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What, why wouldn't you require ID? Who of voting age doesn't have some form of ID? I presume there is a central register that checks each name only votes once? I can't wait for internet based voting to be rolled out
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A story? As reported by the media?? you mean the fair and unbiased folks who are currently brokering the s#!t show thats going on in american politics?
you're kidding, right? |
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You see in America, it is considered racist to ask for ID to control the country but is not racists to do almost everything in society including the fact that you must be able to produce an ID or be held by law enforcement until you can be identified. |
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I just got two absentee ballots again today and I even told them of the error before.
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I'm sure some where along the way voter fraud was a problem, but in modern times its a moot point. Republicans have been pushing hard in battle ground states to limit minority voters. Its obvious that it isn't voter fraud they are trying to get around. |
What is 700 of a fraction of 200 million?
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Is everyone who is saying that I.D. should be required going to ignore the U.S. Constitution? A poll tax in order to vote is VERY illegal according to the Constitution of the United States of America. I.D. costs money. Requiring something that costs money in order to vote would be a poll tax. Have any of the states who have put forth I.D. requirements for voting offered to give citizens free and unhindered access to the proper I.D.??? Of course they haven't. That's because it isn't actually about voter identification. It's about voter suppression.
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I can normally see the point of view of the opposing party. I normally see it, read up on it, and decide that I just don't agree. Politics should be that simple. You either lean one way or the other....or somewhere in between.
but I honestly don't see/understand how requiring an ID to vote, is racist, suppression, or have anything to do with anything except making an effort to make sure that only legal citizens vote. I'm not trying to be obtuse, contrary, stubborn or thick headed............I just don't understand the big deal. I would think that every honest American would want this very thing In fact, I firmly believe that it's just the opposite. I believe Democrats don't want voter ID, so that any potential illegal immigrant who wants to vote, can vote. What else could it be? |
You need a ID to drive, buy cigarettes, buy Liquor, rent a car,rent a hotel room,start a bank account. Why wouldn't you need a ID to vote? It's to prove you are of age and a legal citizen.
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Did you two even read what Eric just wrote? Cliff you say you read up but he just spelled it out for you.
If you recall the North Carolina thread the republican guy literally admitted that they got data and set up the law to suppress the black vote and you still wouldn't believe it lol. |
And Robert, nothing you mentioned has anything to do with constitutionally given rights.
As for the election being rigged, it must be because Glenn Beck is now saying the moral choice is not to vote for Trump and Bill O'Reilly also said Clinton is going to win and even though he disagrees with her policies, that she is qualified. Hell's freezing over and that fat pig Trump is about to fly... |
You need to hang out on progressive websites. They are all over the Diabold electronic voting machines as a election rigging machine. This is not the right saying this.
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I am not pointing that it was right or wrong about the outcomes but pointing that all it takes is a few people stuffing some boxes, having dead relatives vote, having black panthers hanging at the polling place to upset the whole presidential election. |
Fair enough. If the system is that fragile then democratic reform should be a platform for the next presidential race. Technology has moved so far since this system was conceived it is time for an overhaul
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Ralph, check out http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
I've posted about it 3 or 4 times here on WW but it's never really generated much conversation. However, with Texas increasingly going blue (and the GOP generally falling into crisis this year) I have a feeling republicans are going to be increasingly talking about it as it may be their only chance to ever get into the white house again in 2024 and beyond... |
I think that is a big step in the right direction. I can understand electing regional reps by region but a single leader by region makes no sense
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It's one of the things that republicans don't really like to talk about because it flies in the face of the view of the founding fathers they like to promote. But the reality is that the FF didn't trust people to be smart enough to not do something incredibly moronic - like nominate someone like Trump for instance...
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The reality is the world is a very different place than when the constitution was written. You can see that the voting system was the best option when communication across a vast country takes weeks. When it takes milli-seconds there are better options.
You can make the same argument with gun laws, a largely rural country with muskets requires different gun laws than an urban environment with assault weapons. |
Don't disagree but it can be done without a poll tax and be constitutional.
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It doesn't surprise me that those guys would ignore the illegal poll tax aspect of voting rights. Those are the same guys who in another thread boasted that they didn't think poor people and people who don't pay taxes should be allowed to vote. I wonder if they would add that people who don't pay taxes would also not be allowed to run for office.
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Wes, so change what the current proposal is.
Don't apply a fee If the other argument is that some poor people don't have access to birth records, don't start the policy right away. Gradually slide into it. Example.....Pick an age that those people and younger have to provide documentation. Kind of like the inspection on a car. Develop a system that gets more and more poor access to birth certificates. We live in an electronic/computerized age. There has to be a way to provide a BC for everyone born a citizen, to have a certificate.....paper or electronic Eventually, those that claim that they never had one or can't get one, will not be a factor It could take a generation, but at least, in the long run, everyone will have access and posses a birth certificate and an ID. There has to be a solution there. To just dismiss it.....seems suspect I stand by my opinion/comments |
Hi Cliff, absolutely a paused approach that takes into account certain circumstances properly would be more acceptable. But that's not what is being done. Can you admit that in NoCo the intent was voter suppression? If the person that organized it can admit it, why can't you?
Not to mention wrt to birth certificates you have to consider immigrant scenarios. Case in point is the new law in Louisiana which is preventing many legal immigrants from getting married because they come from countries where home births are common and many folks don't have birth certificates - especially those that fled war. Like this poor family who had to resort to driving hours on end (with liver cancer) to a reasonable state that accepted a green card as basis for marriage. A friggin green card isn't enough in LA - are you kidding me? |
phased not paused, thanks Jobs
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Wes, admittedly, I have not read up on what NOCO has done. I'm sure that there is some voter suppression motives, much like there are some amnesty type of voter motives from the left.
I'm hoping that one day, we can get past the name calling and finger pointing, and do what needs to be done. let the crazies on the right, and the loons on the left, keep complaining and stirring up drama.....while some real leader pushes forward with bills/laws that are actually good for the country. This might not always be good for every individual , but do what's generally good for the country I'm certain Oblummer wasn't that guy. I'm pretty sure that Clinton isn't that person. To me, it's unclear if a non-politician can get it done, but I think it's time we try. It's to bad that the first black was unqualified, that the first woman isn't the right choice, and that the first businessman is unfit.......perhaps one day.... |
Here is the best description of the voting system i have seen:
https://youtu.be/nhnNCO9ybXU |
I really don't have a problem with ID to vote. I get the poll tax and literacy test stuff, I do. But being asked to identify yourself is pretty dang common. Can't do something as mundane as fly or pick up your online shipped to store order at walmart without an ID. So why something as important as voting?
Seems to me that needing to pre-register to vote is a bigger bar to actually casting a ballot than remembering to bring your ID. let them eat cake and so forth. |
Voting is a fundamental right - that's kind of the whole point. Those other things you listed are privileges a lot of people will never experience. I'm about 53% convinced your last statement means you get all that and are being sarcastic lol
I have moved a lot the last few years so I've started doing permanent absentee voting. Don't have to show my ID and hell, Grant or Mark could just grab my ballot out of the mailbox and Trumpify it. We better shut down absentee voting!!! |
And yet for voting to be a right and not respect the integrity of the process that voting represents (i.e. one person one vote, all votes counted -- accurately) sorta undermines the whole thing. Voting is a fundamental right, for citizens of voting age. If you don't have to take even the most basic steps to verify citizenship or age, that undermines the integrity of the voting process, which all of us have an interest in.
I vote early, always. A signature is required to get your ballot. It always bugs the heck out of me that they scrutinize my signature like I'm some sort of master forger (and my sig has definitely deteriorated over the 20 years since I registered) and they are handwriting experts, rather than just being able to ask me for my state issued photo ID to verify my identity. I'm totally not immune to the argument that there are disenfranchisement motivations to voter ID. But it seems to me that this issue would be surmountable... maybe with mobile ID stations and the like? "jim crow/poll tax' is only a valid counterargument for so long and eventually it's reasonable to take even the most basic steps to accurately verify the identity of voters. |
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If you haven't read on what NOCO has done then you absolutely zero say in the conversation of voter fraud lol. That is what this entire topic is about. |
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ok wake, so I'm not eligible to comment on this post. Sorry
having said that, I guess you would still be against a voter ID even if all of the issues were successfully addressed? |
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You did get my Marie Antoinette reference did you not? |
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okay. will do
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Since voter IDs will cost a lot of money and voter fraud is not a statistical issue, why do we need to spend the money? spend the cash on books or bridges.
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1. Actual voter fraud isn't an actual issue. That is a fact
2. Republicans are actively pushing voter suppression. People who think that Republicans are not asking a lot are just sipping the kool-aid. If not than why isn't voter ID an issue in blue states? This article shows just how crazy voter suppression is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...97f_story.html Its not a complicated equation: Minorities primarily vote democrat. Republicans know that, and push to limit minority votes under the cover of "voter fraud" |
The entire idea that people are for voter suppression is liberal fairly tale land. People want verification of your eligibility to vote. Why is that so friggin hard to understand?
You have to have an ID for everything you do in this country, but for some reason asking for an id to vote is unreasonable. Crazy thought process. You can't even check out a book at a local library without some id, yet something so important as voting is just so impossible that we can't even discuss it. Voter fraud shows up every election.. is it massive.. probably not.. is it enough to change an outcome.. probably not... but it is a simple to fix and it could have an effect and should not be allowed. The Podesta emails leaked show that democrats consider it and encourage voter fraud.. which is obviously why they are against it. |
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Do you not understand what a Voter ID is? People are not asking to show an drivers license or passport, they're asking for people to apply for a separate voter ID. If your not listed on voter registration sheets, you show an ID. In Bibb Co. a polling station was moved from a public park to a sheriff's office. A staffer was quoted as saying "we know blacks don't like to come to the sheriffs office" |
"Lackey said she is confronted with such confusion most election cycles, and this year has been no exception. Her personal hypothesis is that voters, so accustomed to touch screens in their everyday lives, hit the machine's button after indicating their choices, inadvertently "deselecting" their preferred vote."
Basically people are too stupid to use the machines properly lol. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politi...ing/index.html |
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Hey border security zealots, how do you feel about this Korean guy who got adopted at 3, parents never completed citizenship papers, abused him (and were convicted), abandoned him to foster care, then he gets in trouble with law, is father to four anchor babies, and is now being deported back to South Korea (he doesn't hablo Korean)?
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...m_content=2053 |
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What you are seeing is centralized government does not work for the individual. They make broad laws and rulings. So now this guy is in trouble with the law? What did he do? If it is bad enough, send him home. Sure beats the tax payer dealing with him for how many years? If it was not bad then teach him some Spanish, they will not deport him. Not all laws work down to the minute details. Sometimes misjustice happen. |
Delta just go down and vote twice and see what happens
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-id-law-226438 The law that was struck down was passed after a record number of african americans voted in 2013! I love how you guys come up with these baseless conspiracy theories, but when there is hard evidence you brush it off. |
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