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brett33 07-26-2016 10:02 AM

New 20ft Nautique model
 
Saw on their FB they are releasing "ultimate versatility in 20ft of perfection" on the 5th...
Game changer? Lol

boardjnky4 07-26-2016 10:05 AM

just another option in the market. interested in seeing it, but I'm sure it's not going to melt any minds.

simplej 07-26-2016 11:02 AM

5000lb wake tank built on slalom hull. Supposed to do both well. Don't believe it until I have seen it.

Jeff lyonz 07-26-2016 11:12 AM

I think it's probably a sport 200 with a new fancy captains chair, redesigned tower and added nss system. Samethings they always do haha

srock 07-26-2016 11:19 AM

If someone can figure it out it will sell. A lot of people don't want or cannot fit these mammoth boats into their garages. I do everything behind the boat and would like that package in a 21 to 23 foot hull.

behindtheboat 07-26-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by simplej (Post 1940594)
5000lb wake tank built on slalom hull. Supposed to do both well. Don't believe it until I have seen it.

If that is true it will never sell. The Sport 200 is a great all around boat, but there aren't enough people out there that have both the need/desire for a 20fr do it all, and the funds for a new boat. I bet it's a G20, or pickle forked Sport 200.

boardjnky4 07-26-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by behindtheboat (Post 1940598)
If that is true it will never sell. The Sport 200 is a great all around boat, but there aren't enough people out there that have both the need/desire for a 20fr do it all, and the funds for a new boat. I bet it's a G20, or pickle forked Sport 200.

If they're lazy, they could just take the wet surface of the 200, add a ton of freeboard to the side and give a trendy nose design. I bet it would end up being a pretty good boat too.

brett33 07-26-2016 12:17 PM

I wish they would put out a 22' entry level blend of the 210 and G23.. traditional bow, big freeboard, sub floor ballast, reversible rear seat, in floor cooler, NSS, analog gauges...

jps120 07-26-2016 1:13 PM

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I wish they would put out a 22' entry level blend of the 210 and G23.. traditional bow, big freeboard, sub floor ballast, reversible rear seat, in floor cooler, NSS, analog gauges.
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is that not what the T23 is?? only malibu

Lemonade 07-26-2016 1:34 PM

how about a sub 60K Nautique....( my guess: it'll be using Centurion running surface and be surf specific) and will still be out of the reach of most families.

brett33 07-26-2016 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jps120 (Post 1940611)
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is that not what the T23 is?? only malibu

Yeah, and Malibu hit a home run with the Axis line.. Why wouldn't Nautique follow suit? Just seems to me, more people would buy a boat like that versus a 20 footer that slaloms well.

BrettLee3232 07-26-2016 3:12 PM

Trying to compete with the new Moomba Helix lol

migs 07-26-2016 3:15 PM

Baby G!

grant_west 07-26-2016 3:46 PM

Nautique GS. Anyone have any links to Spy Photos?

simplej 07-26-2016 6:46 PM

GS.

S is fort sport.

Supposed to be a modified 200 hull to do it all.

I'm betting a 200 with 8000lbs worth of fiberglass and ballast in it would be a solid wake. Think about the OG 210s origin.

DatTexasBoy 07-27-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brett33 (Post 1940615)
Yeah, and Malibu hit a home run with the Axis line.. Why wouldn't Nautique follow suit? Just seems to me, more people would buy a boat like that versus a 20 footer that slaloms well.



They did until they started charging $78k for them.

denverd1 07-27-2016 12:11 PM

^^ with MX at 175K, its still a price point boat

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Originally Posted by Lemonade (Post 1940612)
how about a sub 60K Nautique....( my guess: it'll be using Centurion running surface and be surf specific) and will still be out of the reach of most families.

first boat after the centurion merger. I like it.

brett33 07-27-2016 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy (Post 1940713)
They did until they started charging $78k for them.

No doubt!!

kmayotte 07-28-2016 9:42 AM

Plenty of Nautiques on the market for under 60K. Check the used market.

tampawake 07-28-2016 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kmayotte (Post 1940815)
Plenty of Nautiques on the market for under 60K. Check the used market.


that are 10 years old for 50 to 60 k. Just admit boat prices are ridiculous to anyone but the upper mid class and rich.

boardjnky4 07-28-2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tampawake (Post 1940818)
that are 10 years old for 50 to 60 k. Just admit boat prices are ridiculous to anyone but the upper mid class and rich.

Well the prices are bolstered by the low interest rates, and the ease at which you can get a long term loan. 80k @ 20 years is $500/month. Which is moderately affordable. I'm sure a lot of people are paying that much monthly for their cars.

I'm not saying that's a good financial decision... But many people out there are OK with paying out the ass in interest for 20 years, for the sake of getting on the water.

CALIV210 07-28-2016 10:22 AM

boat prices are insane no normal working class people I know could even dream of dropping 100k on a new boat . That's half the price of a house in some areas .

boardjnky4 07-28-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CALIV210 (Post 1940825)
boat prices are insane no normal working class people I know could even dream of dropping 100k on a new boat . That's half the price of a house in some areas .

I see "working class people" driving expensive trucks and racking up debt pretty frequently. I know a lot of "working class people" that are wake boat owners.

Yes the prices are insane. I'm not buying a new one any time soon. But people ARE buying them, even working class people.

kmayotte 07-28-2016 11:50 AM

Typically luxury items are priced accordingly. Boats are certainly a luxury item, especially wake boats. You can get on the water inexpensively (jet ski, DD ski boat etc.)

A boat with a touch screen display, trim tabs all over, integrated ballast, premium upholstery, king kong sound system, bimini, years of R&D etc. is priced with a premium.

There are boats out there literally in every price range. I never understand the people who whine about the most expensive ones that they can't afford like the manufacturer is doing them a disservice. You are not their target market for new boats. They don't have a personal vendetta against you, it's just business.

Redheadd 07-28-2016 11:59 AM

The more crap the more problems. ****ty thing is all you "surfers" need the huge deep v boat with all kinds of crap. Luckily I can jump behind a 1500$ ski and smash a sets all day!

djsauer 07-28-2016 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kmayotte (Post 1940851)
Typically luxury items are priced accordingly. Boats are certainly a luxury item, especially wake boats. You can get on the water inexpensively (jet ski, DD ski boat etc.)

A boat with a touch screen display, trim tabs all over, integrated ballast, premium upholstery, king kong sound system, bimini, years of R&D etc. is priced with a premium.

There are boats out there literally in every price range. I never understand the people who whine about the most expensive ones that they can't afford like the manufacturer is doing them a disservice. You are not their target market for new boats. They don't have a personal vendetta against you, it's just business.

I honestly love that new boats are so expensive. It's driving the used boat market down (well, and depreciation) and when I'm ready to buy in 2-4 years, the amount of boat I will be able to get for my price range is going to be exponentially better than what I could if I bought now.

I imagine if I was a surfer, it would be a little different. But, people who say you can't get into wakeboarding for under $60-70k, pshhh. There are some GREAT wakeboard wakes out there for well under that. And it's only going to keep going down.

boardman74 07-28-2016 2:06 PM

UM…..I think you have that about 180 degrees off(exactly backwards). As new boats get more expensive it drives the price of used up or holds them steady. The new boat market has been holding steady and even appreciating in some cases as the prices of tow boats has rapidly risen. Most mid 90's to mid 2000 boats have bottomed out. In most cases you can buy these boats and use them for 5 years and get your money back in full. For example a late 90's 210 or Xstar sell within 10K(or less) of what they sold new for in 99. Thats unreal, find a 17 year old car you can say that about.

So yeah a brand new boat is going to depreciate the first few years. But they will quickly level out as well as the new ones continue to rise. I've been buying/ owning tow boats for 30 years now. The used market on them is the strongest its ever been in that time.

djsauer 07-28-2016 2:13 PM

I guess what I was getting at was what $20k, for example, would buy 5-10 years ago is nothing to what $20k can buy now. And I feel you could say that same for $30k-40k?

Correct me if I'm wrong. And I realize, this is moreso targeted at older used boats rather than a few years old.

CRS_mi 07-28-2016 3:06 PM

I got signed up for a demo on the 6th. Excited to check it out.

BurnMac42 07-28-2016 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redheadd (Post 1940853)
The more crap the more problems. ****ty thing is all you "surfers" need the huge deep v boat with all kinds of crap. Luckily I can jump behind a 1500$ ski and smash a sets all day!

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3c/3c09d...c45770fd64.jpg

kronoss 07-28-2016 7:09 PM

I will give you an example of how f-ed up the boat market is currently....

I can sell the boat I bought brand new, for the price I payed for it 4 years ago.

I SOLD a old used wake boat for DOUBLE of what i payed for it, after putting 200 hours on it.

CALIV210 07-29-2016 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boardman74 (Post 1940875)
UM…..I think you have that about 180 degrees off(exactly backwards). As new boats get more expensive it drives the price of used up or holds them steady. The new boat market has been holding steady and even appreciating in some cases as the prices of tow boats has rapidly risen. Most mid 90's to mid 2000 boats have bottomed out. In most cases you can buy these boats and use them for 5 years and get your money back in full. For example a late 90's 210 or Xstar sell within 10K(or less) of what they sold new for in 99. Thats unreal, find a 17 year old car you can say that about.

So yeah a brand new boat is going to depreciate the first few years. But they will quickly level out as well as the new ones continue to rise. I've been buying/ owning tow boats for 30 years now. The used market on them is the strongest its ever been in that time.

Totally agree

srock 07-29-2016 6:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brett33 (Post 1940605)
I wish they would put out a 22' entry level blend of the 210 and G23.. traditional bow, big freeboard, sub floor ballast, reversible rear seat, in floor cooler, NSS, analog gauges...

Lack of analog gauges is why I do not want to buy a new boat. After owning many boats I hate the idea of a single screen and all the ballast control systems. Too much stuff to go wrong.

brett33 07-29-2016 6:50 AM

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Originally Posted by srock (Post 1940938)
Lack of analog gauges is why I do not want to buy a new boat. After owning many boats I hate the idea of a single screen and all the ballast control systems. Too much stuff to go wrong.

This is basically the only 2013+ Nautique I have seen with analog gauges. Would be sweet if it had NSS

http://www.onlyinboards.com/2013-Nau...ire-53795.aspx

rawB 07-29-2016 7:11 AM

Has anyone had a chance to ride one of those wt-1, wake tractors? Under 20ft, wake specific...

I would think there would be a demand for this size boats for competition lakes or small lake with size restrictions.

Redheadd 07-29-2016 7:41 AM

Matt,we should kiss. Just get it out if the way. Just too much sexual tension between me and you right meow.

srock 07-29-2016 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brett33 (Post 1940942)
This is basically the only 2013+ Nautique I have seen with analog gauges. Would be sweet if it had NSS

http://www.onlyinboards.com/2013-Nau...ire-53795.aspx

2013 - is that correct? Gauges went out after 2009.

brett33 07-29-2016 10:30 AM

Tower and graphics look to be period correct. Only one I've ever seen

BurnMac42 07-29-2016 6:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Redheadd (Post 1940947)
Matt,we should kiss. Just get it out if the way. Just too much sexual tension between me and you right meow.

Because I responded to one of your posts? I stayed out of your JL post and just let Wet Sounds do their thing but you were on a roll yesterday so I couldn't resist...

xstarrider 07-30-2016 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by srock (Post 1940951)
2013 - is that correct? Gauges went out after 2009.

Yes you could still get a "non team package " boat without Linc and yes you can now add NSS to any 07-13 210.

prorider17 07-31-2016 5:42 AM

@rawb - I haven't seen one in person yet, but have heard good things.

get_sum 07-31-2016 6:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rawB (Post 1940945)
Has anyone had a chance to ride one of those wt-1, wake tractors? Under 20ft, wake specific...

I would think there would be a demand for this size boats for competition lakes or small lake with size restrictions.



I drive past a black/red everyday on the way to/from work. It certainly looks ok, but really small.

I should stop one day soon and take some pictures up close and of the interior.

grant_west 07-31-2016 2:33 PM

I'm Intrested to see what the new GS looks like. I was told it's got a shorter free boad (Gunnals) so that it will fit inside a normal sized Garage. It's been a long time since Natique made a wake machine that had a folding tower that would fit in a standard garage. I'm looking forward to what they come up with. I must say Unless it looks the the "Art Of Kenettik" boats Im not Intrested! LOL. With that said I would love to see some one come out with a Luxury wake machine. Think of it as a Caddy CTS V wake machine. I'm over the whole boats that look like nascar' picked the color and interior patterns. :)

MattieK27 08-01-2016 6:03 AM

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Originally Posted by grant_west (Post 1941095)
I'm Intrested to see what the new GS looks like. I was told it's got a shorter free boad (Gunnals) so that it will fit inside a normal sized Garage. It's been a long time since Natique made a wake machine that had a folding tower that would fit in a standard garage. I'm looking forward to what they come up with. I must say Unless it looks the the "Art Of Kenettik" boats Im not Intrested! LOL. With that said I would love to see some one come out with a Luxury wake machine. Think of it as a Caddy CTS V wake machine. I'm over the whole boats that look like nascar' picked the color and interior patterns. :)

I'm definitely interested now, depending on what they consider a standard garage. I looked at a new X2 and NXT this year, and despite their claim to fit in standard garages, I can't get them under my door. Mastercraft then claims it's not a standard garage. Odd, but my '11 X1 clears just fine.

I also agree with the more subtle schemes. I guess we will find out more in a few days

RPM_DLX 08-05-2016 5:02 PM

Just watched the live unveiling on Facebook. Looks nice! 6'6" tall with tower folded and the tower looked pretty easy to fold. Looks roomy for a 20' boat and nice walkthrough on the transom.

Cam3sc 08-05-2016 5:27 PM

Tried to price one out and can't yet. If this is reasonably priced I think it will sell well

timmyb 08-05-2016 5:37 PM

Watched the live unveiling as well. Looks like a pretty sweet boat! Very big for a 20' boat. 100" beam was it?

timmyb 08-05-2016 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cam3sc (Post 1941733)
Tried to price one out and can't yet. If this is reasonably priced I think it will sell well

What's your guess on price? I'm thinking $90k+. :o

Cam3sc 08-05-2016 5:56 PM

Too rich for my blood I am guessing. If I could get around 80K loaded I would pull the trigger. But that looks like a dream in today's market. I think it will be priced right below 100K

ralph 08-05-2016 10:52 PM

It looks sweet. If the wake performance is good I would rock this boat for sure

tweeder 08-06-2016 7:13 AM

Website says starting MSRP of $95,907. What do you all think you can get a loaded one for?

wakeworld 08-06-2016 8:40 AM

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Saw the unveiling last night and rode in it today while Drew Danielo surfed and Shaun Murray wakeboarded. Very nice boat. More details to follow.

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andrew_moreton 08-06-2016 8:42 AM

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts (and seeing your pics) Dave!

RPM_DLX 08-06-2016 10:43 AM

Just saw video of surfing behind it. Really hard to tell from the angle the video was being shot but the surf wave looked small. Again, this could just be the camera angle

kronoss 08-06-2016 6:20 PM

just what the world needed, another 100k boat.

mlzelenik 08-08-2016 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kronoss (Post 1941776)
just what the world needed, another 100k boat.

a 20 Ft. $100K boat :eek:

got our leftover 15' SE450 with .3 hrs for less than the base price of this 20 footer. It is pretty sweet though

brett33 08-08-2016 4:53 PM

Really wanted to believe it wasn't true but, 100k crossover? Come on!! I guess if dad is forking out the cash he gotta get a slalom set in too.

srock 08-09-2016 5:24 AM

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Originally Posted by brett33 (Post 1941901)
Really wanted to believe it wasn't true but, 100k crossover? Come on!! I guess if dad is forking out the cash he gotta get a slalom set in too.

Weak

CRS_mi 08-09-2016 8:58 AM

Of course the price sucks, but there seems to be plenty of people paying it as you don't see a lot of leftover model years sitting around new. I went to a demo for the GS20 Saturday and the boat is awesome. The private lake the demo was held at is setup mainly just to run a slalom course on, so it was only 8' deep. Even at only 8' deep, the wake was pretty good for stock ballast. I would love to try it out in deep water. The main thing was that the wake was very solid. It never felt soft and I never blew through it. I feel like a lot of wakes look good but they are a bit soft so when you really lay into them you can punch through them. The build and comfort of the boat was great, and the amount of storage considering it's a 20' boat with all sub floor ballast was really impressive. The new drivers seat is really nice too. I've demoed a few new 20' wakeboard boats this year and this one is by far my favorite. My only complaint was that it seemed like it took forever to get going when you get pulled up. It didn't act like it was struggling or anything, just took a long time to get up to speed. I also would prefer that they had just put normal gages in it as a cheaper option but I think that's just the way the market is going. I loved the way the tower folds down to fit in a sub 7' garage door as well. Really nice boat overall. Now I just need to sell some organs or something to be able to buy one.


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