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poser007 12-29-2011 5:25 PM

I am really looking forward to these fights. I want Cerrone in the Diaz fight I have never liked the Diaz brothers. On the Brock Overeen fight, I am hoping to see Lesnar and hopefully his training with Pat Berry has helped a little. If Brock can get him down and keep him there I think he can eek out a win. I know Overeem has been training at Extreme Couture that has some of the best wrestlers on the planet. If I were Overeem I would have been practicing my sprawl and take down deffense, if he can avoid the take down then I am thinking its gonna be lights out for Brock.

buffalow 12-30-2011 11:29 AM

Funny thing I noticed in the pre-fight stuff, not amazing knockouts from Overeem. I always considered him a standup/knockout guy yet everything i see is good s4rikcing, but not legit knockouts. Does not mean it did not happen, just not his standard. Which is good for Brock. I think that Overeem has just not faced anyone as fast and strong as Brock and that will overwhelm it and burn his cardio. That plus the (6) drug test and personal issues with his camp will bring him to this fight unfocused.

I think Diaz/Cerrone is a 3 round decision, jsut who gets the most takedowns. There is no way Diaz should be a +265 in the books. I am taking a Lesner/Diaz parlay for $20 which pays like $150ish. Than I'll bet on the fights separately.

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 12:49 PM

Diaz Cerrone should have no problem being FOTN.

Alistair vs. Brock is going to go JUST like every single hyped up non-UFC transfplant coming in and getting a stiff test in his debut.. Lesnar is going to put him on his back and maul him.. I am Alistairs #1 fanboy but he's going to get lit up.. He's got a list of excuses a mile long now - his mother his sick, camp started in holland - then to Xtreme Couture, then back to Holland, he's now getting sued by Golden Glory the day before the fight, etc etc etc..

And his attitude has been horrible. "No one can stand with me and my wrestling and jiu jitsu are legit".. Right.. We've heard everyone say this and almost everyone hasn't panned out in the UFC.. CroCop 2.0 - big striker with "enough" ground game for Pride/Dream/SF but not the calibur for UFC which is full of stud wrestlers of a different pedigree..

I hope I'm wrong and he knees Lesnar face down ass up with a knee from the clinch - but odds are against it..

Hoping Cerrone puts the stamp on Diaz and pieces him up on the feet. Both have awesome guard from their back - very active BJJ - but I don't know if it will go there. Too much ego to hit the floor.

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by buffalow (Post 1723478)
Funny thing I noticed in the pre-fight stuff, not amazing knockouts from Overeem. I always considered him a standup/knockout guy yet everything i see is good s4rikcing, but not legit knockouts. .

Keep looking.

Check out his last 3 Dream fights. He almost killed Iron Head Fujita with that knee and he fought some korean judoka and landed one of the most vicious 3 strike combos I've seen in my life - and I've been watching MMA for about 15 years.. Knee from the clinch, right hook, left cross and game over..

Check out what he did to Texeira in the K-1 OWP qualifier.. Those knees were fuggin insane.. He DEFINITELY has hands.

He won the K-1 Open Weight Grand Prix.. That is the cream of the crop of all striking.. He beat Bard Hari in K-1 the first time they fight and a laundry list of "who's who" in K-1 - Aerts, Shiltz, etc.

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 12:55 PM

Does anyone in here actually train?

I'm a BJJ instructor at an MMA school in Minneapolis - been training mostly no-gi for quite some time but have spent maybe 3 or 4 years total in a gi as well. Trained a bit of Muay Thai, Silat and traditional boxing as well. Never wrestled in school but have trained a lot of wrestling for an MMA setting. 5-1 ammy record LONG before this whole thing became main stream.

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 1:01 PM

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE loves some Alistair..

"Holy Crap" lololololol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...g/crapper2.gif
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This is awesome.. Go Overeem
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jeff_mn 12-30-2011 1:09 PM

Turns out - not really Iron Head
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/583928_o.gif

Goodnight Badr!
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Goodnight, Sweet Prince
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He also knocked out Brett Rogers, Todd Duffee and James Thompson in Strikeforce. None of those guys are even CLOSE to Lesnars level though.

poser007 12-30-2011 1:30 PM

Overeem is huge and looks fantastic. I've been working out for 25 years and I've seen a lot of guys on the sauce, IMO Overeem is on the juice or he is the most gifted physical specimen God ever created. If you look at just a coulple years ago he looked nothing like he does today. On the other hand Lesnar has looked the same for the past 10 years. This is going to be a really interesting fight. Can't wait.

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by poser007 (Post 1723500)
Overeem is huge and looks fantastic. I've been working out for 25 years and I've seen a lot of guys on the sauce, IMO Overeem is on the juice or he is the most gifted physical specimen God ever created. If you look at just a coulple years ago he looked nothing like he does today. On the other hand Lesnar has looked the same for the past 10 years. This is going to be a really interesting fight. Can't wait.

He does Vlogs where they follow him for the day/week and show his workouts and his diet. Based on what he eats and his "blackleticism" genes - I'd say he's clean. He's been tested MANY times and never pissed hot. And if he WAS taking PED's - they wouldn't be PED's for size and muscle mass - they would be for minimal recovery times and endurance.

He eats a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of horsemeat.. Look up the properties on it.. Makes chicken look weak.. Lots of huge black guys out there that are gifted genetically without putting in the time to their training and diet. The guy is 6'5", has his diet in check and works out 20 times a week.. If he's on PED's - it's recovery based. He used to KILL himself to cut to 205 back in the day.. Lesnar is just insane..

jeff_mn 12-30-2011 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by poser007 (Post 1723500)
Overeem is huge and looks fantastic. I've been working out for 25 years and I've seen a lot of guys on the sauce, IMO Overeem is on the juice or he is the most gifted physical specimen God ever created. If you look at just a coulple years ago he looked nothing like he does today. On the other hand Lesnar has looked the same for the past 10 years. This is going to be a really interesting fight. Can't wait.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...m-Timeline.jpg

buffalow 12-30-2011 3:43 PM

Normally I have my mind made up long before the fights get going. These two fights got me stumped. Overeem and lesner is a big What If. If either guy does what they should than either can win. Overeem is a straight up pimp, but he jsut has never fought anybody of Brock's size and speed. Brock has fight some very hard hitters and ended up in the fetal position but he is a tough SOB, just ask shane crawin.

I don't see either Diaz or Cerrone getting knocked or submitted. I am going decision - cerrone. However I did throw $10 on a draw that was 40 to 1 as it could happen and the re-match would be amazing.

Off to get the kegs refreshed!

hillbilly 12-30-2011 9:00 PM

If Cerrone wanted to fight bulls it would be easy for him. He used to ride them and that helps in knowing where and what to. And with his footwork and speed it would only help in the arena.
I am not the most gifted athlete and I fought bulls for many years....

mjfan23 12-30-2011 9:27 PM

And Brock Retires... Smart move on his part

UFC is already a dying sport... Fade.

#Boxing.

poser007 12-31-2011 12:04 AM

Wow what a lame night of fights. I don't know what was wrong with Cerrone or maybe Nate is just that good. Ya know I've come to realize Brock was never really an MMA fighter, he was just a big strong Wrestler who won a few fights. I was really let down, honestly, why would Brock try and stand with Overeem? His only chance was to take Overeem down and he didnt really try that hard, at least not a full frontal attack like a GSP or Koscheck type take down which I know Brock is capeable of. Now I hope Dos Santos knocks the crap out of Reem.

tings00 12-31-2011 8:14 AM

loved the fights, brock got smashed by the future HW champ, Fitch got KTFO in 12 seconds, I thought i was going to have to watch him dry hump hendricks for 15 minutes, And as much i think the Diaz's are punks I love watching their fights and how they can make fighters look like beginners. Cerrone could not do anything but trip nate a few times.

jeff_mn 01-01-2012 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mjfan23 (Post 1723549)
And Brock Retires... Smart move on his part

UFC is already a dying sport... Fade.

#Boxing.

bwuahahhahah...

well played

buffalow 01-02-2012 10:33 AM

I am with Tings - We enjoyed them. What the hell was Brock thinking? Nobody is standing in front of overeem - he Deserved the beating. Cerrone definatley did not look normal, but he stated that Diaz got into his head and was fighting on emotion instead of his game plan. Diaz sure looked good.

So what does Fitch do now? Work on his boring ass game plan or go back to his early days when he was more aggressive.

poser007 01-02-2012 11:11 AM

I like Fitch but he is a very boring fighter. The guy he fought evidently is just as good a wreslter if not better then he is so I was really interested in how that fight would play out. Obviously knockouts like that happen, IMP that is the only way GSP loses in the 170lb class. Fitch is still at the top of the game Im just not signing up to watch any of his fights.

Did anyone notice how much hair Dos Santos has lost? When they showed him in the ring after the fight I wasnt even sure who it was until I focused a little harder. Anyway the fight I have been waiting for for a long time is Cane vs Carwin why they havent put that one together is beyond me.

Also do we have any intel on Silva vs Sonnen again? Is that going to happen? That fight makes sense to. So now we have Frankie Efgar dominating in the light weight division GSP in the welter wright Anderson Silva in the middle weight and John Jones in the light heavies. Will Allistar own the heavies or will someone like Cane or Carwin or even Dos Santos knock him off?

FIghts I really want to see

GSP vs Diaz
Cane vs Overeem
A Silva vs Jon jones
Chael Sonne vs GSP

buffalow 01-02-2012 1:32 PM

Silva - Sonnen... Sonnen has to get through Bisbing and Silva has to get through ... I think he is still injured or waiting on someone else.

Now I see Sonnen is calling out JBJ since Silva is "scared" to fight him.

They say JDS is already scheduled with Overeem

jeff_mn 01-03-2012 7:17 AM

Sonnen is fighting Munoz - not Bisping. The winner is guarenteed a title shot against Anderson in Rio..

And JDS vs. Overeem will be happening next as well..

lizzyb 01-03-2012 9:43 AM

Jeff is right - Sonnen is already scheduled to fight Munoz. Bisping means nothing to him or Silva.

I love Cerrone.. one of my very favorite fighters. He's looked awesome since joining the UFC from WEC. That fight, though, he looked like a completely different person. I think Jason is right - he late Nate and all of BS talk get into his head and ruin his gameplan. Very disappointing.

poser007 01-03-2012 10:50 AM

Yeah it was really odd, I mean honestly have you ever seen anyone get hit in the face as much as Cerrone did? It was like DUDE come on side to side stick and move why in the crap would you just stand right in front of the guy? Very odd fight for Cerrone although on a good note he had some very good leg kicks but obviously not near enough.

jeff_mn 01-03-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by poser007 (Post 1723848)
Yeah it was really odd, I mean honestly have you ever seen anyone get hit in the face as much as Cerrone did? It was like DUDE come on side to side stick and move why in the crap would you just stand right in front of the guy? Very odd fight for Cerrone although on a good note he had some very good leg kicks but obviously not near enough.

Yes. Almost anyone who has fought anyone named Diaz in the past 2 years has fought the same way. Everyone "gasses" against the Diaz bros.. It's called getting punched in the face way more times than you're getting used to, way more accurate and way more often..

Would you rather try to shake off 2 or 3 BIG shots from a one hitter quitter? Or get hit 300 times by jabs and straights? I'll take my chances with the big 2-3 shots..

Penn "gassed" against Nick
Cerrone "gassed" against Nate
Gomi "gassed" against Nick AND Nate
I could go on forever

This "gassing" phenomenon is called getting jacked in your mindpiece many more times than you planned to, early and often.

Cerrone got beat up. Cerrone is a NOTORIOUS and self-admitted "slow starter". If you are a slow starter and you get face ****ed starting 3 seconds into the first round - you aint coming back.

Why he didn't take his chances with Diaz on teh floor is beyond me. It's one thing to dive in for a takedown right off the bat - but if you're getting absolutely pieced up on the feet - you should give it a shot on the floor. It's not like Cerrone is a white belt.

jeff_mn 01-03-2012 12:49 PM

Wonder what's next for Jones? I'm sure he'll get the winner of Rashad and Davis.. So he'll be fighting Rashad.. I don't think he'll have any problem with Evans.. What's next? He's essentially went THROUGH the entire talent pool. As much of a Hendo nut rider as I am - he doesn't have a prayer. I know that "MMA Math" doesn't work but Jones buzzed right through Shogun and Hendo went 5 rounds to war with him.. Hendo wouldn't have anything for Jones. Styles make fights - and that fight doesn't favor Hendo..

So what's next? Thiago Silva is finally off suspension - but he'll need at LEAST 1-2 "tune up" fights to get rid of ring rust and get back onto to the radar.. And then the reality sets in that Thiago has NOTHING for Jones.. Nothing. And I love Thiago.. So what's in the pipe at 205? No one can convince me that a Gustaffson or something along those lines is going to put up a challenge for him.. Are we going to start recycling guys ala 170 with GSP? See another fight against Shogun or Rampage or PeePee Drinker? Hope not!

They need to bring in some other talent or have someone from HW cut down to LHW.. I'd like to see a Mousasi or a Lawal or hell - even a Hector Lombard just to get some new blood in there..

Andersons time is up. He will retire after his next fight with Chael or Munoz.. So we'll see a new champ at 185 and if I had to guess - the "revolving door" will start for the 185 title.. Chael will be champ for a day, someone will get tired of him talking and then tap him out, then Mr. BJJ will get Ko'ed by Mr. Up and Comer and we'll sit and wait for the next great 185'er to emerge.. my prediction is that Rashad is going to move down to 185 after he loses to Jones and he'll take the belt after a tune up fight at 185.

Jones is gonna be champ for as long as he wants.. His only challenge will be the fact that he's still young and he's SO big for the weight class. As we get older, it's harder to stay light. I think he'll either move up to HW eventually or he'll dominate at 205 for 4-5 more fights and retire and go persue something else.

Who knows what will happen at HW. I think Overeem will beat JDS. But I don't think Overeem has the ground game to hang with the stud wrestlers. SOMEONE will put him on his back and he won't be able to get up. Might be Cain, might be Cormier, might be Barnett.. The HW titlle picture will get fuzzy the next 12-18 moths, imo. Especially with the UFC swallowing up the SF heavies. A Cormier, Bigfoot, Barnett, Rosario could cause some waves.

155.. The revolving door will soon start there as well. it's just TOO deep.. Bendo is going to beat Edgar. Fact. Can Bendo hang on to the title? Doubt it. He's not much of a finisher and not much of a striker. His ground game is absolutely top notch. Insane pace, great sub game and wicked GNP.. But he's far from unbeatable. I always thought Edgar was a "soft" champ anyways. He'll lose to Bendo and then move down to 145 immediately and fight in his proper weight class. I predict hit or miss success with him. But 155 gets so crazy and so dicey. So many guys that could be the next guy on any given night. Youv'e got Guida, Guillard, Miller, Bendo, Edgar and then you have a bunch of fringe guys who could strike at anytime as well.. Will Gil Melendez make it over eventually? I think yes. I say he defends the SF belt ONE more time and then comes over. He can beat anyone on any night but he's not unbeatable by any stretch. He lost to Josh Thomson who is far from a world beater. I think he's benefitted greatly from beating B level talent.

145? Crapshoot. Obviously Aldo is a stud but he's shown some chinks in his armor. Who knows how that will play out. I say he's champ and beats 2 more guys. if a guy like Mendes can't get it done - most guys probably won't. You definitely won't outstrike him, it would take a grappler with good submissions to tap him so we'll see if a TRUE wrestle**** fighter with GNP like Mendes can do it.. After those two - it's a revolving door. Anyone on any given night might get a shot..

Interesting things coming up. Japanese MMA is all but dead. Dream on NYE was meh at best. Aoki match was fun to see and part of me will always hope Fedor gets a win.. I doubt we'll see mroe than 3 shows from Dream this year and nothing from Sengoku has impressed in 2 years now.. What will Bellator do? My guess is nothing but become a home for foreign B level guys (they seem to be LOVING the Brazilians lately) and be a falling space for UFC cast offs. I don't see the UFC stealign ANY of their talent. I'm not sure their top talent is really top talent at all.. Alvarez and Chandler are obviously solid fighters but are they guys who would beat Bendo or Miller or XYZ? Maybe, maybe not. Aoki beat Alvarez and Aoki has had mixed success against top dogs NOT from Japan.. Hector Lombar while exciting is a product of matchmaking - "I'll fight anywhere, anytime! As long as it's someone far past their prime, new to MMA, undersized or oversized".. M'Pumba couldn't even get passed my boy Travis who couldn't hack it in the big leagues in the UFC. There is no hope there for transplants..

Lots of stuff going on in MMA... With the UFC on Fox - we'll see a lot of things. More exposure, possibly more fans, bigger sponsorship paychecks but we'll also see a LOT more injuries (we have been getting plagued lately - but with more shows, more often with more on the line people are going to be going harder) and we're going to see a few good match ups in 2012 and then some serious "what if's"... Brock is done - he was a cash cow for the UFC ratings. GSP is hurt and being replaced by highly UN-marketable Diaz or Condit for the time being.. Jones HAS to be where the realy $$ is and if he can beat JDS - I could see Overeem putting a lot of asses in the seats.

10 years ago I never thought this sport would be where it is now. 5 years ago was the prime of the sport for ME.. When Pride was just wrapping up but still putting on huge fights, UFC was JUST getting really big, Dream was starting, K-1 was huge and functioning and fighters were hungry and weren't prima donna rockstars.. Todays MMA is getting to be too much, too often.. For ME.. Too many PPV's, not enough SOLID free cars, too many "celebs" and the part that is getting tough for me with all of the visibility is that I feel like I know how almsot every fight is going to go. You know EVERYTHING about Fighter A and Fighter B. From their hometown to to their background to their team to their training camp to their fight history. No other sport in the world has the kind of exposure to history that MMA has. Every fight is on the net, pros train with joes so joes leak camp tips/info, etc.. Everyone knows everyting. Until the pros start to get more "Secretive" about what's going on - it's become predictable.. Well.. Predictable enough to not be AS excited but certainly not enough to make good money betting.

And lastly - does anyone train? I asked that above but got no response. Either no one trains or no one read that. If so - what do you do and where? How long? Have you fought? Will you fight?

poser007 01-03-2012 12:52 PM

I guess that is true. The Diaz brothers have that strange yet effective sytle of hitting you with these soft jabs that seem to land near every time. The crazy think is they also have amazing BJJ on the ground so that makes them even more dangerous. Great fighters but have never liked them

jeff_mn 01-03-2012 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by poser007 (Post 1723865)
I guess that is true. The Diaz brothers have that strange yet effective sytle of hitting you with these soft jabs that seem to land near every time. The crazy think is they also have amazing BJJ on the ground so that makes them even more dangerous. Great fighters but have never liked them

Im' tired of their "schtick" too but they are great fighters.

I think Nick Diaz will have MAJOR problems when he starts facing the tough wrestlers of the division.. that's what happened his first go round in the UFC. He was looking good until he fougth some guys who put him on his back. His BJJ is fantastic but a strong top game wrestler is hard for ANYONE to deal with.

I think a Fitch or a GSP puts him on his back and keeps him there. Nate is a bit more creative with his guard and has size on his side - even when fighting from teh bottom. I think if Nate fights a Bendo or Maynard, etc with a strong top wrestling game - he'll have the same problems.

lizzyb 01-13-2012 3:13 PM

Anthony Johnson moves to MW from WW and still comes in today weighing in 11 pounds over. What the!??!

He is being weighed again tomorrow at 2pm and cannot weigh more than 205 or the fight is cancelled. WOW.

buffalow 01-13-2012 5:15 PM

Guaranteed Dana is steaming mad about "Rumble" - That is some nonsense.

poser007 01-13-2012 10:58 PM

R u serious? He fights at 170 and makes weigh all the time and now 15 lbs hevier he cant make weight? Thats just freaking lame and puts Vitor at a weight dissadvantage. I like Rumble but I would like to see Belfort knock him out in the first round

tings00 01-15-2012 10:30 AM

pretty good night of fights. A couple of great knockouts and good subs. I love belfort, great to see him get the win in Rio. Barboza could have the knockout of the year locked up already.

gunz 01-15-2012 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1723496)
Does anyone in here actually train?

I'm a BJJ instructor at an MMA school in Minneapolis - been training mostly no-gi for quite some time but have spent maybe 3 or 4 years total in a gi as well. Trained a bit of Muay Thai, Silat and traditional boxing as well. Never wrestled in school but have trained a lot of wrestling for an MMA setting. 5-1 ammy record LONG before this whole thing became main stream.

Yup;)

gunz 01-15-2012 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1723496)
Does anyone in here actually train?

I'm a BJJ instructor at an MMA school in Minneapolis - been training mostly no-gi for quite some time but have spent maybe 3 or 4 years total in a gi as well. Trained a bit of Muay Thai, Silat and traditional boxing as well. Never wrestled in school but have trained a lot of wrestling for an MMA setting. 5-1 ammy record LONG before this whole thing became main stream.

Yup;)Boxed back in high school,some Kempo til I saw UFC 2.Been doing BJJ off and on since then.Currently go to a gi bjj school,seriously considering going back to an mma pure no gi school,but at 47,I wanna be able to hang.;)

lizzyb 01-16-2012 8:26 AM

Dan, Anthony Johnson had trouble making weight at WW constantly. This isn't new for him. I find it funny that he still comes in 10+ pounds overweight though, even after going up in weight class to avoid this problem. Idiot. I'll bet money he gets cut by the end of the week.

buffalow 01-16-2012 10:31 AM

Rumble loses and gets cut all in one day. Damn a great talent lost by preparations. Good night of fights, but lots coming up in the next month that should be good. Cruz and Aldo appear to be Alpha Male's nemesis.

lizzyb 01-16-2012 11:09 AM

I think Aldo is everyone's nemesis. He's ridiculous.

I'm so excited for Cruz and Faber to coach TUF. SO excited!

jeff_mn 01-16-2012 1:11 PM

I've never thought Anthony Johnson was NEARLY as talented as fans talked that he was.. His biggest win was Dan Hardy fresh off a 3 fight losing streak and he's crumpled and got beat every time he's faced any true talent. You can't be legit after winning over Yoshida and Kevin Burns.

I'm glad to see him gone. Professinoal athletes have no excuse to miss weight once - much less 3 times. And he actually missed weight 5 times - it's jus that 2 of those times he was able to cut the necessary weight with the extra hour.

Good riddance.

Anyone notice ALL of the Brazilians won their fights??? (say what you want about Erick Silva)..

buffalow 01-16-2012 4:41 PM

Anybody notice like the next 5 weeks straight are UFC fights and 2 or 3 are free including Friday's. Going to be a packed few weeks.

gunz 01-18-2012 11:57 AM

WAR SONNEN!!!!

Bisping will be totally outclassed.

lizzyb 01-18-2012 12:25 PM

I am so much more excited about Sonnen beating the sh** out of Bisping instead of Munoz.

I may have to start following Bisping on Twitter, just to see what he's going to say. :)

buffalow 01-18-2012 3:50 PM

It would have been so much more entertaining if we had like 2-3 months of the Sonnen-Bisbing crap talking battle. Unlike Miller, Sonnen can throw down some serious BS. Let the expletives fly between them. When I think of the possibility of Bisbing fighting Anderson, I think of a seriously fast and boring fight. Bisbing is a extremely talented #7 guy, but a TON from every standing in the ring with Anderson in terms of talent. Heck I have a hard time seeing that he is even being thrown at this fight. I am not saying he can't win- Hell Sonnen has been out for what like 12-14 months . Luckily for him he has such great wrestling, he can bury Bisbing there. Although I am looking at Maia being rated at #6 and I can just remember his losses. Either Bisibing or him could not stand one round with Anderson. Guess it will not matter for another 8-12 months, but still. I could see Anderson taking one more fight - Against Sonnen to put and end to Sonnen's mouth for good with a broken arm, jaw, or leg. He could end his legacy there.

pesos 01-18-2012 10:46 PM

http://mmainterviews.tv/

ripr 01-19-2012 8:50 AM

I agree with Buffalow in that the only thing that bums me out the Sonnen vs. Bisping is that we have been jipped out of a few months of some of the most epic trash talk in combat sports....even better than some of Ali's gems. IMO, Bisping's gonna get smashed and we get to hear Sonnen talk about Brazil until mid summer. I hope he watches TUF Brazil, cause he's gonna have all kinds of stuff to say about Wand and Vitor.

Kind of flying under the radar here is the fact that Weidman is taking a huge step up in competition. I've been watching him since his debut and really like the guy. I'm pretty interested to see how he matches up with Maia.

poser007 01-19-2012 1:19 PM

So on MMA weekly here are the results for pound for pound best fighters in the world

1. Jon Jones
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Jose Aldo
5. Dan Henderson
6. Frankie Edgar
7. Nick Diaz
8. Junior Dos Santos
9. Dominick Cruz
10. Jake Shields

Ok I know John Jones is stomping people but the guy is only 24. Fedor isnt even on the list.. I mean I know jones belongs on the list but number 1? If Fedor would have not lost his last couple fights he would have been number 1, now he isnt even on the list. The point is Fedor has been fighting for 12 years Jones only a few years. You need to stand the test of time to be on this list. And what the heck is Jake Shilds doing on it? His last couple fights he looked terrible

Here would be my top 3 and in the correct order at this point in time

1. Anderson Silva
2.GSP
3. Jon Jones

buffalow 01-19-2012 1:38 PM

Yhea JJ #3 in my books too. That is some bull. Aldo #4 for sure than you have to have Frankie #5 or 6

lizzyb 01-19-2012 3:49 PM

The top three should be exactly as Dan posted above. Silva, GSP, JBJ, then Aldo. That MMA Weekly list is ridiculous. Henderson is too high up as is Nick Diaz. I would also drop Shields off the top 10.

phatboypimp 01-19-2012 3:54 PM

That list is all kinds of stupid.....I agree with Buffalow except Edgar - who I personally feel is a talentless dbag. I have no reason to feel that way but I do. I can't stand the guy - he is like a nerdy diaz brother. lol

buffalow 01-20-2012 10:10 AM

Here is the thing about Edgar. He is micro for that division. There is no reason he should be champ _ BUT HE IS! So for that reason and the fact he has overcome some bad situations, he is deserving. He has a solid record against top guys. His boxing is very good and the rest is good enough. The minute he loses he drops down though. The problem he has there is that Aldo. Plus the handfull of Alpha male guys that will ruin him.

buffalow 02-01-2012 8:04 AM

Wow - Nobody talked about last weekend's UFC 2 on Fox? Kind of crazy - there is finally a ton of free MMA and nobody is talking about it. Ok, that weekend it out and this weekend is coming. The title fight is a huge fights for the welterweights.

Diaz-Condit - GSP has been uncharacteristically begging for Diaz to win. GSP never says boo to the news, but now comes out many times vocally says he wants to fight Diaz and hurt him, not just win. Some might say that maybe Diaz has gotten into GSP head, but I say you have woken up the fire in GSP's belly that got him to the top. Not a good place to be. On to this fight. I see Diaz winning because it is good for the UFC (See bisibing losing to Sonnen last weekend and scoring completely wrong). Condit is a very well rounded and qualified fighter. I normally would pick him based on his experience and his mind in the ring. In the end, Diaz takes the interim and will fight GSP late Summer. Diaz just pushes the pace and eventually gets him. Diaz by TKO.


Werdum-Nelson - Not sure that I give a damn about this fight although it could be very entertaining. We know Nelson is a tough SOB, but Werdum's total package is very complete. I have him as top 4-5 in Heavyweights. I think in the end he takes it to the ground and submits Nelson. I know Nelson's ground game is good, but it has been a long time since it was tested. After Werdum wins, he will likely fight Mir which is great matchup. Werdum by submission or decision.

Koscheck-Pierce - We see Kos back in the ring after eye busting ass-whopping that GSP gave him. On paper - these are the same two fighters. Heck there records are very similar. As much as I like watching pierce, I think Koscheck is just a little better and more experienced. Considering Josh went though the division quickly before getting to GSP, I still hold him in top 4-5 in division and considering those on top, may be stuck in that positions. Winner will likely fight winner or ellenbeger/sanchez. Koscheck by Submission or decision.

Barao-Jorgensen - Fight of the Night Candidate. Wow Barao comes in 29-1-1. I normally would take Jorgensen without even looking at who he is fighting, but with that kind of a record, I had to research a bit more. I see this as a legit ground battle where either guy can win. I think they x each other on the ground and end up on the feet where Jorg pops him.They are 7-8 in the division, so winner will likey get Mighty mouse or Bowles. Maybe even with Torres now that he is back. Probably going to stand by Jorg by knockout.

There are a bunch of other cards with known name guys, but running out of time to cover those.

Good luck and let's see some head crack'n.

jeff_mn 02-01-2012 10:53 AM

Main card on UFC on Fox 2 sucked and the undercard was banaanas.. One fight finished with a reverse calf crush and another with a twister.. Main card was a snooze fest as expected...

Condit wins, Werdum wins, Kos wins, Barao wins..

norcalrider 02-01-2012 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1723877)
I think Nick Diaz will have MAJOR problems when he starts facing the tough wrestlers of the division.. that's what happened his first go round in the UFC. He was looking good until he fougth some guys who put him on his back. His BJJ is fantastic but a strong top game wrestler is hard for ANYONE to deal with.

I disagree. Diaz is more dynamic than given credit. I don't think wrestlers want to risk going to the ground with him.

FOX 2 was lame. I think they make Rogan do his commentary sober and it just seemed like he phoned it in. The main fights were also lacking.

jeff_mn 02-01-2012 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by norcalrider (Post 1729277)
I disagree. Diaz is more dynamic than given credit. I don't think wrestlers want to risk going to the ground with him.

FOX 2 was lame. I think they make Rogan do his commentary sober and it just seemed like he phoned it in. The main fights were also lacking.

Screen name "Norcal Rider"


Your opinion of Diaz is invalid. You're a homer.. His wrestling - offense and defense - is atrocious. GSP is a 1 stripe black belt in BJJ and has competed globally - including ADCC.. He's not scared to play in Diaz' guard.

We're not talking about Scott Smith and KJ Noons anymore.

norcalrider 02-01-2012 2:12 PM

Tell that to BJ Penn who couldn't keep Diaz on the ground. If you want to claim that BJ can't grapple I doubt there will be many allies for you in that argument.

I'm not a Diaz fan. I just think that he's been underrated as a fighter and it's comments about his wrestling that show that. Taking him to the ground is a gamble and his BJJ is legit.

I didn't make some sweeping statement, like he's the most dominant fighter in the division. Just that it is a risk to grapple with him. No reason to be so dismissive.

jeff_mn 02-02-2012 7:20 AM

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Originally Posted by norcalrider (Post 1729293)
Tell that to BJ Penn who couldn't keep Diaz on the ground. If you want to claim that BJ can't grapple I doubt there will be many allies for you in that argument.

I'm not a Diaz fan. I just think that he's been underrated as a fighter and it's comments about his wrestling that show that. Taking him to the ground is a gamble and his BJJ is legit.

I didn't make some sweeping statement, like he's the most dominant fighter in the division. Just that it is a risk to grapple with him. No reason to be so dismissive.

I've spent some time at BJ's academy in Hilo and I've taken a few seminars from him. His ground game is absolutely phenomenal (pun intended) - but you are changing the argument. BJ Penn is NOT a wrestler, he's not a GNP specialist and he doesn't work from the top on the floor often.. Apples to oranges..

Remember GSP vs. Penn? GSP put him on his back and kept him there for 4 rounds.. Same thing he'll do to Diaz..

And I'm not trying to be dismissive - I was just ribbin ya because you're from NorCal so I figured you were a Diaz ballbag rider.. I love me some Diaz brotehrs - those guys bring it, come to war, will take 2 to give 1 and have SICK jiu jitsu... My comment was simply that the level of wrestling in the UFC is significantly, significantly higher than it was in Strikeforce - especially at 170 where Nick is fighting.. GSP, Koscheck, Shields, Hendrickson, Sanchez, Fitch, Ellenberger - all high, high level wrestlers with strong top games.

Scott Smith, Paul Daley, KJ Noons, Cyborg evangelista - none of those hold a candle to the UFC 170's in the wrestling department.

Condit will stand and bang with Diaz and mix it up on the floor - but you'll see an entirely different fight when (if) he fights GSP.

buffalow 02-02-2012 8:24 AM

I am not sure that Norcal was talking about Diaz and Condit with condit being afraid of Diaz's guard? There is no way in hell GSP is worried about Diaz's guard.

I love me some Diaz brothers (inside the cage) like the next guy, but no matter what either guy is a long way away from a healthy GSP.

Speaking of that - After the Sonnen (ufc pays refs cough cough) very lack luster win over bisbing, is there any chance in hell this will be an interesting fight with Anderson. I think this time Anderson will smash him. Chael has gotten under his skin and now it's personal.

Same goes with GSP and Diaz. No matter who wins, when GSp is healthy - it's over for spot #2.

Than what about Rashad and Phil. I can't even envision either guy in their with JBJ. I know Rashad has the best chance, but really? He just looked slow and weak compared to Jones. Pretty sad state in these divisions with the 2-3 guys performing the way they did.

There is no way that Diaz does not win this fight. Not cause he is the better fighter, but because Everybody including Dana want GSP/Diaz. Nobody is going to care about GSP/Condit at this point. I am not saying the thing is rigged, but after watching last week, all it takes in one judge going the wrong way, to change the line to Diaz's side. When was the last time we saw a true upset in the top 5-7 guys? I am sure it has happened, but does not come to mind. The hierarchy is set, and it will play out.

JEff- That is sick you trained a little with Bj. I hear him and his brother are something to watch on the ground (like before Bj learned to use his hands).

it has been a long time since I saw a night of fihts where the betting lines are in line and realistic (as opposed to a JBJ -950 or GSP -1200). So based on Vegas this should be a bunch of close fights.

Nick Diaz is slightly favored in the books right now -200/+170
Werdum -150/+130
Koscheck -230/+190
Bararo - 230/+190

lizzyb 02-02-2012 9:27 AM

I live in Sacramento and I f'ing HATE the Diaz brothers. That being said.. Diaz did look fantastic against BJ Penn. However, had they fought five years ago.. I expect the outcome would have been different. BJ is well past his prime and beating him doesn't hold a tremendous amount of weight to me.

buffalow 02-02-2012 9:35 AM

I am with you on that Liz. I know they always say it is a lack of motivation for BJ, but not sure what it really is. He was/is an amazing talented fighter with incredible ground game that learned how to box. What more did you need for motivation to fight the top 5 in the world and make millions of dollars? Than when you have Diaz talking smack about you non stop - those are all reasons to be prepared. Although there have been plenty of high end fighters that have fallen to the Diaz brother (see Donald Cerrone) who say they just felt overwhelmed with the constant jabs/slaps and insistent pressure.

norcalrider 02-02-2012 10:33 AM

Also in Sac, so in general not a fan of the 209. Though when people from out of state hate on it I have to remind them at least Stockton has an In-and-Out and access to some amazing waterways, elevating that town over most in my mind.

I digress. I think a BJJ tactician can cause a lot of problems for wrestlers and fully agree about the higher level of talent in the UFC. I do think Diaz will try to keep things on his feet against Condit and GSP. I look forward to the Condit/Diaz fight.

That being said, Diaz will try to kill GSP whereas I do not think GSP has that instinct anymore. He's fighting for decisions these days and as a fan I don't really like that.

norcalrider 02-02-2012 10:36 AM

Nick Diaz and his complaints about money gets to me. The man is one of the best paid fighters out there: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...-money-in-2011

kinger 02-02-2012 10:43 AM

100% agree w/Mik. Diaz has way more of a fighters instict then GSP, I don't think GSP has the natural will to risk losing so he can beat up Diaz. In order for GSP to beat Diaz he will have to put himself in harms way and I just don't think he is willing to do that. That said i think the Condit fight is a much greater risk for Diaz, Condit is a finisher and he can take a beating to win, I think both these guys are better fighters then GSP. Although I want Diaz to win I would be happy to see either of these guys hold the belt they both deserve it.

buffalow 02-02-2012 12:54 PM

The difference this time is GSP is pissed at Diaz. This is the first time he has ever said anything. Even with all the crap Koscheck talked, it was never personal for GSP. This fight will be. He has spent the last month fighting with his mouth. He will have had 1-1.25 years off and be ready to make a statement. he said the other night that he does not consider himself the champ because he can not defend his title right now. So as far as he is concerned he is back to climbing to the top. He also commented that to knock spider and JBJ out of the top two for Pound for Pound, he has to finish fights and not just win. He is looking to use this Diaz fight to make that statement. It may just be talk, but when has GSP ever said boo.

lizzyb 02-02-2012 1:49 PM

Diaz a better fighter than GSP!? LOL!@!!!(*^@()!*^!@()*@^!

Jason is right. GSP has done what he needed to do, to win.. nothing more. I do believe, this fight is personal for him and according to Dana White, the first time GSP has EVER, since his arrival in 2004, asked for a fight.

I would really like to see Diaz vs. GSP... but I have a sneaky feeling that Diaz is not going to get past Condit.

lizzyb 02-02-2012 1:51 PM

Oh, and for those that were watching fights on firstrowtv.... the site was shut down today. (I, of course, was not one of those people watching fights illegally on the internet)
...

jeff_mn 02-02-2012 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by buffalow (Post 1729441)
I am not sure that Norcal was talking about Diaz and Condit with condit being afraid of Diaz's guard? There is no way in hell GSP is worried about Diaz's guard.

I love me some Diaz brothers (inside the cage) like the next guy, but no matter what either guy is a long way away from a healthy GSP.

Speaking of that - After the Sonnen (ufc pays refs cough cough) very lack luster win over bisbing, is there any chance in hell this will be an interesting fight with Anderson. I think this time Anderson will smash him. Chael has gotten under his skin and now it's personal.

Same goes with GSP and Diaz. No matter who wins, when GSp is healthy - it's over for spot #2.

Than what about Rashad and Phil. I can't even envision either guy in their with JBJ. I know Rashad has the best chance, but really? He just looked slow and weak compared to Jones. Pretty sad state in these divisions with the 2-3 guys performing the way they did.

There is no way that Diaz does not win this fight. Not cause he is the better fighter, but because Everybody including Dana want GSP/Diaz. Nobody is going to care about GSP/Condit at this point. I am not saying the thing is rigged, but after watching last week, all it takes in one judge going the wrong way, to change the line to Diaz's side. When was the last time we saw a true upset in the top 5-7 guys? I am sure it has happened, but does not come to mind. The hierarchy is set, and it will play out.

JEff- That is sick you trained a little with Bj. I hear him and his brother are something to watch on the ground (like before Bj learned to use his hands).

it has been a long time since I saw a night of fihts where the betting lines are in line and realistic (as opposed to a JBJ -950 or GSP -1200). So based on Vegas this should be a bunch of close fights.

Nick Diaz is slightly favored in the books right now -200/+170
Werdum -150/+130
Koscheck -230/+190
Bararo - 230/+190

All I could think of watching Bisping and Sonnen was "so this is Sonnen off the PED's, eh?"


JBJ will absolutely demolish Shad.. Shad showed nothing against Davis.. Nothing.. His top control was better than it had been in the past but Davis has never fought off his back.. Bones iwll ruin him.

I think Rashad will drop down to 185.

I've trained with a LOT of top names in MMA and BJJ.. I would say that BJ is above average of the "good" black belts I've trained with - he is probably one of the more natural/gifted people I've shared a mat with.. Today, there are definitely more advanced grapplers. BJ won the Mundials at black belt - but I don't think he could come even close to repeating today. The game has changed from a sport jiu jitsu perpsective. Hybrid guard games, leg attacks and PED's are now the name of the game in competitive BJJ.. He's phenomenal - but I've "felt" better. That's something to be said.

norcalrider 02-02-2012 2:15 PM

I wasn't trying to insinuate that Diaz is better than GSP, just that he has the killer instinct that I find lacking in GSP. I trust Jason's POV and hope to see a fierce GSP who is trying to KO or submit fighters. I hope he comes back on form and gives us a show.

With as much as the Diaz brothers jaw at least you can respect the form these guys show up in to fight.

jeff_mn 02-02-2012 2:19 PM

GSP will destroy Diaz - even if he's not 100% after the ACL.. No question about it.. He uses his range VERY well on the feet and he will have easy take downs, It will be like childs play putting Diaz on his back.. And he's not stupid - he's an advanced black belt. He's not going to put himself into a triangle. Diaz has great BJJ from his back - but he has had trouble in the past with guys with strong top game and active GNP..

See: Diego Sanchez

GSP will do him ugly...

I hope Condit wins so we don't have to worry about it.


As for GSP "fighting not to lose".. I agree.. But there is a reason for it.. GSP is making around $5m per fight. By far the highest paid fighter in the UFC right now.. There is significant financial incentive for him to be calculated and "fight not to lose".. He's still putting the stamp on fools - even if he isn't finishing them.

The guy has beat the whose who of top 10 welterweights over the past 5 years. Cant fault him for that. All it takes is ONE loss and that $5m per fight drops DRAMSATICALLY.. It's one thing to go from making $400k a fight to $250k a fight if you lose. But GSP would drop from $5m a fight to about $1m a fight. That's huge.

jeff_mn 02-02-2012 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by norcalrider (Post 1729538)
I wasn't trying to insinuate that Diaz is better than GSP, just that he has the killer instinct that I find lacking in GSP. I trust Jason's POV and hope to see a fierce GSP who is trying to KO or submit fighters. I hope he comes back on form and gives us a show.

With as much as the Diaz brothers jaw at least you can respect the form these guys show up in to fight.

Agree 100%.

Diaz is a fighter

GSP is an athlete.


GSP is just a much better athlete than Diaz is fighter. I'll pay to watch Diaz fight - but GSP i'll only "pay" to see if he's fighting someone I like or the undercard interests me.

kinger 02-02-2012 2:42 PM

GSP has 1 finish since 2008, I mean Fitch was stopped, Dan Hardy was KO'd. GSP is fighting good fighters but if your pound for pound one of the top 3 then you should finish guys like that. And the excuse about $$$, bull...Silva manages, JBJ finishes. How is it that the top 3 pfp guys and GSP is the only one that doesn't finish...maybe because he is over rated! DIaz and Condit both better fighters then GSP

kinger 02-02-2012 2:53 PM

And Diego Sanchez fight was in 2005 I think he has progressed a little since then

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729547)
GSP has 1 finish since 2008, I mean Fitch was stopped, Dan Hardy was KO'd. GSP is fighting good fighters but if your pound for pound one of the top 3 then you should finish guys like that. And the excuse about $$$, bull...Silva manages, JBJ finishes. How is it that the top 3 pfp guys and GSP is the only one that doesn't finish...maybe because he is over rated! DIaz and Condit both better fighters then GSP

He wins. There isn't a note by his name saying "He hasn't finished".. He wins..

And Bones and Silva dont' make anywhere near GSP money.. Silva never will, Jones will have to wait another year to get the "big" spotlight.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 7:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729551)
And Diego Sanchez fight was in 2005 I think he has progressed a little since then

I've seen NOTHING that indicates that Nick Diaz wrestling has gotten better.

But I have seen every indication that GSP's wrestling has gotten better. Your call to make. We'll see if Diaz gets past Carlos and if he does - he better prepare to fight off his back.

kinger 02-03-2012 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1729679)
He wins. There isn't a note by his name saying "He hasn't finished".. He wins..

And Bones and Silva dont' make anywhere near GSP money.. Silva never will, Jones will have to wait another year to get the "big" spotlight.

Correct he wins which is a different argument then is he a pound for pound one of the best fighters. Of course he is a good fighter you can tell by looking at his record, he knows how to score pts in a fights, he knows that takedowns are weighed heavily by judges, and he knows if he stays on top then he will win. If people don't like that style then they just don't watch him.

But to say he is pound for pound up there w/JBJ or Silva is crazy! To say he is as good as those guys but doesn't finish cause he doesn't want to risk losing well, IMO that risk is part of what makes you pfp one of the great fighters. GSP doesn't finish because he knows that he has no chin and no power so he does what he has to. I don't think Diaz or Condit are elite fighters yet either, but they are better then GSP.

kinger 02-03-2012 8:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1729680)
I've seen NOTHING that indicates that Nick Diaz wrestling has gotten better.

But I have seen every indication that GSP's wrestling has gotten better. Your call to make. We'll see if Diaz gets past Carlos and if he does - he better prepare to fight off his back.

Except it hasn't happened again since 2005. You don't think other fighters have tried that tactic also, no one since 2005 has tried to beat Diaz in the same manner again, he has just realized how to counter it. Your wrestling doesn't need to get better to counter that, takedown D can get better, as well as other ways.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729692)
Correct he wins which is a different argument then is he a pound for pound one of the best fighters. Of course he is a good fighter you can tell by looking at his record, he knows how to score pts in a fights, he knows that takedowns are weighed heavily by judges, and he knows if he stays on top then he will win. If people don't like that style then they just don't watch him.

But to say he is pound for pound up there w/JBJ or Silva is crazy! To say he is as good as those guys but doesn't finish cause he doesn't want to risk losing well, IMO that risk is part of what makes you pfp one of the great fighters. GSP doesn't finish because he knows that he has no chin and no power so he does what he has to. I don't think Diaz or Condit are elite fighters yet either, but they are better then GSP.

Ask Koschek if he would have rather been submitted in the first round or had his face broken for 25 minutes.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 9:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729693)
Except it hasn't happened again since 2005. You don't think other fighters have tried that tactic also, no one since 2005 has tried to beat Diaz in the same manner again, he has just realized how to counter it. Your wrestling doesn't need to get better to counter that, takedown D can get better, as well as other ways.


Because Diaz hasn't fought ANYONE with decent wrestling since he left the UFC the first time. No one. He hasn't fought anyone with anything even rREMOTELY close to good wrestling.. Much less the best wrestling for MMA in the world like GSP..

Apples and oranges.. He was fed a **** load of cans and washed up strikers in Strikeforce.. Scott Smith, Paul Daley, Cyborg Evangelista, KJ Noons, Slamcock, Marius Zaromskis, etc

Not anyone with even B level wrestling. Much less A+++ wrestling.. Did you see how atrocious his offensive wresling was when he gassed out in Strikeforce? It was horrendous..

GSP will beat him everywhere the fight goes.

kinger 02-03-2012 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1729699)
Ask Koschek if he would have rather been submitted in the first round or had his face broken for 25 minutes.

Yea then there was the impressive 5rd spar match against Shields. not real representative of a "top pound for pound fighter"

lizzyb 02-03-2012 9:42 AM

This thread has turned HILARIOUS. It's fine to say GSP isn't a pound for pound great because he doesn't finish.. if that's what you really believe. However.. to say he isn't an elite level fighter is the most ridiculous thing I've ever f'ing heard.

kinger 02-03-2012 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1729700)
Because Diaz hasn't fought ANYONE with decent wrestling since he left the UFC the first time. No one. He hasn't fought anyone with anything even rREMOTELY close to good wrestling.. Much less the best wrestling for MMA in the world like GSP..

Apples and oranges.. He was fed a **** load of cans and washed up strikers in Strikeforce.. Scott Smith, Paul Daley, Cyborg Evangelista, KJ Noons, Slamcock, Marius Zaromskis, etc

Not anyone with even B level wrestling. Much less A+++ wrestling.. Did you see how atrocious his offensive wresling was when he gassed out in Strikeforce? It was horrendous..

GSP will beat him everywhere the fight goes.

Agreed, but those fights w/ Diego, Riggs, Sherk those are the only chance GSP has, can he sit there on top and win a desicion.

Gaurantee 100% GSP does NOT finish Diaz...actually he won't finish Condit either. All these people on GSP's jock, but I no one willing to predict a finish by GSP...that says everything you need about how good GSP is.

kinger 02-03-2012 9:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lizzyb (Post 1729703)
This thread has turned HILARIOUS. It's fine to say GSP isn't a pound for pound great because he doesn't finish.. if that's what you really believe. However.. to say he isn't an elite level fighter is the most ridiculous thing I've ever f'ing heard.

Guess its a matter of opinion but I classify Elite and Pound for Pound as one in the same. IMO if your an elite fighter then your on that pound for pound list...and GSP is not! But neither is Diaz

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729704)
Agreed, but those fights w/ Diego, Riggs, Sherk those are the only chance GSP has, can he sit there on top and win a desicion.

Gaurantee 100% GSP does NOT finish Diaz...actually he won't finish Condit either. All these people on GSP's jock, but I no one willing to predict a finish by GSP...that says everything you need about how good GSP is.

lol @ all of these guarentees... and lol @ judging how good a guy is based on if he finishes..

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729705)
Guess its a matter of opinion but I classify Elite and Pound for Pound as one in the same. IMO if your an elite fighter then your on that pound for pound list...and GSP is not! But neither is Diaz

I'm surprised Diaz can make weight with you hanging from his nuts.

kinger 02-03-2012 10:29 AM

Haaa...that was good. I like Diaz but I don't think he is any type of elite fighter, I'm just saying GSP is not....at least not worth all the ball washing he gets. I wouldn't be suprised at all if Condit ends up being the best out of all of them his game is strong.

I just think its a major disrespect to guys who are putting it on the line every fight because they want to be the best in the game and then you have GSP who just wants to play it safe every fight. And then eeryone comes along and groups them all in the same category...they are not even in the same league!

lizzyb 02-03-2012 10:29 AM

This is turning into sherdog.com forums.. I love it.

kinger 02-03-2012 10:31 AM

JBJ, Silva, Aldo in a different class right now then everyone else.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lizzyb (Post 1729721)
This is turning into sherdog.com forums.. I love it.

Dont swear on WakeWorld.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729724)
JBJ, Silva, Aldo in a different class right now then everyone else.

Yeah, keep "ball washing" Anderson..

You know.. Those awesome fights he's had, right? You forget about the Damian Maia fight? How about that Thales Leites barn burner. He's had me at the edge of my seat.. He's been fighting top competition for years! James Irvin is P4P top 5 on everyones list.

GSP has been fighting top 5 to top 10 guys and beating them EVERY time..

Anderson is a product of fighting in the weakest, shallowest division in the UFC..

Aldo is looking spectacular fighting against guys who have been fighting for less time than this thread has been alive..

JBJ and GSP are on another level. Consistently beating the top guys.. I say this all as the #1 BJ Penn nut-rider.. I *hate* GSP - but he's beat the who's who of 170 time and time again..

Fitch
Kos x2
Penn
Alves
Shields (he was on a 19 fight win streak - stop hating)
Hughes
etc etc etc.

kinger 02-03-2012 12:23 PM

Haha, now I know you must be related to GSP or something, Silva not as good??? Second rate competition: He has faught everyone...Belfort, Franklin, Hendo (in his prime), Okami, He's faught Horn and Newton (when they were in their prime). Thats every bit as good as guys like Shields, Alves, Kos, and Fitch (who just got destroyed).

Just looked it up GSP has 9 decisions in 19 fights in his UFC career, Silva 14fights 2 decisions. Yep not as good as GSP. How can people not see that every good fighter that GSP fights goes to a decision, he doesn't even finish guys like Parisyan and Mayham...what they hell.

buffalow 02-03-2012 1:07 PM

I am a long way from a GSP lover, but bottom line he finishes fights. He figures out what your weakness is and beasts them at their own game. Winning is Winning. Unlike other sports where you can say wins but does not cover a spread (dallas cowboys), winning is winning in MMA. He might not be exciting, but his hand is raised more than anybody but Anderson against the best in the world. He was made in the UFC, not in other division. Unlike Shields and some others, he has never had to face "weaker" competition. He also had to fight the best and did so convincingly. He has not lost a round in what like 30-40 rounds? he may not be exciting, but has to be one of the hardest working TRUE athletes on the planet. JBJ was graced with length, speed and power. GSP works to gain his strengths. Diaz for that matter too. BJ, JBJ, Anderson, Aldo and maybe even Edger are freak athletes that rely on their born gifts and build form there. Most others have to work at it. GSP just works harder than most. There have been few athletes in history that possess the gift and still work harder than the next guy - Maybe Jerry Rice, Jordan, Tiger (young), Ali, Peyton Manning, and I am sure there are a few more that are escaping my Friday afternoon brain. GSP is the next generation MMA - Superior athlete, incredible dedication, and hardest worker. Long term - He will go down as the winningest MMA fighter short of JBJ probably. No where in the hall of fame will it say - GSP - Most decision in MMA history or Asterisk with X by decisions.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729755)
Haha, now I know you must be related to GSP or something, Silva not as good??? Second rate competition: He has faught everyone...Belfort, Franklin, Hendo (in his prime), Okami, He's faught Horn and Newton (when they were in their prime). Thats every bit as good as guys like Shields, Alves, Kos, and Fitch (who just got destroyed).

Just looked it up GSP has 9 decisions in 19 fights in his UFC career, Silva 14fights 2 decisions. Yep not as good as GSP. How can people not see that every good fighter that GSP fights goes to a decision, he doesn't even finish guys like Parisyan and Mayham...what they hell.

I hate GSP.

Silva has the best record in the worst division. Okami is trash. Belfort is trash. Franklin is the same as Silva - he's a product of a ****ty division. LOL @ talking about fightin Horn and Newton like it's relevant. How about Ryo Chonan? You want to bring that up?

GSP has fought MUCH tougher competition.

kinger 02-03-2012 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff_mn (Post 1729788)
I hate GSP.

Silva has the best record in the worst division. Okami is trash. Belfort is trash. Franklin is the same as Silva - he's a product of a ****ty division. LOL @ talking about fightin Horn and Newton like it's relevant. How about Ryo Chonan? You want to bring that up?

GSP has fought MUCH tougher competition.

Yep how have Fitch and Hardy done in that last fights how do they qualify. GSP made a career on wins agains Penn and Hughes no one else on that list is eve worth mentioniing. What about Henderson I suppose he sucks also.

jeff_mn 02-03-2012 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kinger (Post 1729793)
Yep how have Fitch and Hardy done in that last fights how do they qualify. GSP made a career on wins agains Penn and Hughes no one else on that list is eve worth mentioniing. What about Henderson I suppose he sucks also.

Are we ignoring Thales Leites and Damain Maia? You must still be in shock from how awesome those fights were.. Anderson looked fantastic.

Silva vs. Sonnen... How do you explain that gem?

kinger 02-03-2012 3:04 PM

No I acknowledged it, they were his 2 decisions compared to GSP's 9. Didn't Silva win...and finish Sonnen? Its not like these guys GSP is facing can't be stopped. Don't worry GSP did win award this year:

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/12/23/2...-honor-ufc-mma

lizzyb 02-03-2012 3:10 PM

Jason, as always... your posts are excellent. 100% on everything you said.

kinger 02-03-2012 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzyb (Post 1729816)
Jason, as always... your posts are excellent. 100% on everything you said.

Except the part about GSP not losing a round in 30 -40, actually 2 of the 3 judges on the Shields card had it 47-48, which mean they had him losing 2 rounds.

Do you guys even watch the fights

buffalow 02-03-2012 4:02 PM

Yeah Erik, been years since I missed a UFC/Strikeforce/Dream and all the others. I follow most of the fighters and have for years. My betting record in MMA is well over and in fact was a strong 82% for over one year solid. Does not mean I am never wrong on anything crazy like that. I always admit the guys that I really like and yet still often pick against them. So I never let my biaz get in the way of my money!

poser007 02-03-2012 4:10 PM

Ok I've been reading this thread and sitting here shaking my head. I have an analogy, anyone old enough to follow the Chicago Bulls in the 90's new that the Bulls were the best team hands down. Whenever they rolled into town you pretty much new you were losing. Now I recall games that were really close but 9 times out of 10 they pulled it out. The Bulls were simply unstopable. But here is the thing about GSP

Although GSP doesn't finish many fights, he doesn't just squeek by, he makes great wrestlers look bad wreslting, he makes good stand up guys look bad standing up, he fights top notch BJJ guys and never gets submitted. GSP is a freak of nature. He isn't just the best 170lb fighter in the world, he blows everyone else out of the water. He is the Michael Jordan of the 170 division.

So big deal he isnt a knock out puncher, some people arent. That isnt his game. But I will tell you this, I would never ever bet against GSP because I will tell you this, you will lose your money my friend. Stand up, wrestling BJJ athleticism damnd GSP is the total package. Not one person has really given him a problem. On another note, he is probably the smartest and most tactical fighter in the sport. The guy will be a legend regardless what the haters ay.

Peace out!

buffalow 02-03-2012 5:26 PM

Yhea Poser - I have said almost those same words time and time again. I have wrote several columns on MMA for other websites and people always give me crap about GSP, but I say the same as you. He is gifted, Plus works hard, plus is super smart. JBJ is on the same path, but straight vicious. We'll see whenever he loses if he doesn't change a little. Urajh Faber certainly did. He was a straight killer until he lost to Mike Brown the first time. He is still amazing, but not the same fighter. he looked timid against Cruz.

Oh well, does not much matter who wins tomorrow because GSP will continue his dominance.

Here's tipping a glass to you all and we'll see you on Monday.

Buffalow.... Out!

barry 02-04-2012 10:00 PM

Nate-Punk got outclassed and shut down. :p

norcalrider 02-04-2012 10:58 PM

Condit dictated that fight. He circled out, great head movement, nice combos, kept distance with kicks on many levels... It was an impressive showing. I don't think either fighter demonstrated anything worthy of GSP though.

jeff_mn 02-06-2012 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by norcalrider (Post 1730072)
Condit dictated that fight. He circled out, great head movement, nice combos, kept distance with kicks on many levels... It was an impressive showing. I don't think either fighter demonstrated anything worthy of GSP though.

x2 to all. Condit had a great gameplan, outstruck and won handily.

He's got nothing for Ground St. Pound though.

jeff_mn 02-06-2012 7:01 AM

Anyone think they will get Condit a fight before GSP? GSP isn't ready til November - that's along ways off. I see Condit fighting someone. I sure hope it's not Kos - cause I think Kos could wrestle-**** him and win and then we're staring down the barrel of GSP / Kos III.

Kos left AKA after some beef - maybe they will make Fitch Kos for the kicks of it and put in someone else against Condit. No clue who that might be. The only real "up and comer" that GSP hasn't already beat is Rory McDonald and that is GSP's protege.. I dont' want to see Alves or someone like that in there.


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