Bryant's I/O Surfable Boat
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WOW now I have room for a few lawn chairs on my swim grid to eat lunch
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Looks like they are driving in a circle to get a surf wave.
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There had been rumors that Bryant was going to bring something to the market but I think a lot of people who knew about it thought that it would be an inboard. It's well done, for an I/O. That's about all I can say about it.
I still think that if you watersports are a priority, you should get an inboard. However, this may be a better solution for coastal boaters and such. |
wait until you see the bennington...
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I feel that I will always personally be driven to inboards due to my propensity towards smaller lakes, smooth water and inboards overall performance with watersports, but I like the looks of this.
If it performs as they say it does, I say why not. I would like to see pictures of it out of the water to understand how far you actually are from the prop. http://www.madisonboathouse.com/Page...ort-Porch.aspx Sport Porch indeed. |
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Can't wait for the local Sheriff to have a field day with this one. Legal distance or not, we all know they will ignore the facts and come up with some BS reason to hassle you about surfing behind and I/O.
Other than that, it will probably cost $50-60k which at that point most buyers will buy an inboard. |
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^Exactly. In most areas the average water cop has no clue the difference between a in board or I/O. I mean I have had inboards for 28 years now and sometimes with new boats I have a tough time telling at a distance. If you haven't noticed a lot of I/O's come with towers and are modeled to look a lot like an Inboard Vdrive. In the water when you can't see the running gear its tough to know.
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Cool. This will give those that want a stern drive the opportunity to own one enjoy surfing safely. Not everyone wants an inboard for a variety of reasons. I know that most here couldn't possibly fathom that but its true.
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What exactly is a "legal distance" for surfing, and in what jurisdiction?
I only know of the Darwin distance and that shows up over time. |
Interesting... John Dorton used to be the head guy over at Mastercraft. I remember seeing him in the Mastercraft Rewind DVDs that they handed out at the boat show. That would give them a knowledgeable resource in wake sport hull design. I know there are benefits to an I/O but I prefer how an inboard boat drives and handles.
Disclaimer...I have not been in anything newer than a 2005 I/O or a 2003 Vdrive. Confession...Watching Mastercraft's Rewind DVDs has gotten me through many a winters. I find it helps relieve the headaches, cold sweats, and shakes that come from summer withdrawal. |
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Off topic: My buddy got a $500 ticket for not slowing down in a normal channel (not a no-wake zone) when the Sheriff insisted with "hand signals" and yelling at him to slow down. No lights on the Sheriff boat, no signs, no on the water incidents. Buddy calls the County clerk to find out when he can request a hearing. The clerk said the Sheriff never turned in the ticket to them to process. Ticket dropped. Just another example of them over reaching for no reason which I would suspect them to do in this case, legal or not. |
From what I have heard, this boat is directed to the entry level water sport fans with a family enviroment in mind. From the Bryant boats I have been on, they are top notch in quality. A coworker is a huge Bryant fan and told me he sold his 2002 Bryant for the same price he paid for it 5 years ago. He had no plans to sell it. He was just taking it on a demo for a friend. He bought another, larger, newer one right after. I will be honest, I have never ridden on one but I have drank beer on a few. Seem like a nice boats to me. If I get invited to ride on one, I will definitely give a review of the wake and compare it to my Axis.
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Is it so complicated for them to reverse the engine, and toss on a v-drive?
I've been wondering when Sea-Ray, Cobalt... would enter the surfing industry, i thought it would be with a surfing v-drive. |
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Show me the law that states it is illegal to surf behind an I/O. I feel like you might be trolling me, but I digress. If your overreaching alleged sheriff neighbor, which makes me question your judgement in not befriending this guy since you see him so often, has a problem with surfing any boat, it isn't due to it being an I/O or due to the persons relative distance to the prop. It's carbon monoxide risk/fears and teak surfing that is illegal and hence why surfers in certain areas get hassled, type of boat has nothing to do with it. Yet I am interested to see these laws. On a strictly personal level, the wild platform this thing has, I would be okay surfing behind it without fear. I've never had a body part so much as go under the teak platform while surfing, and if I am riding with the nose of the board touching the platform, I am likely closer to the prop than you would riding behind this boat. Intrigued. If these are priced competitively and additional makers enter the market with additional innovations and technology to closely mimic wakeboat performance, we may be able to see less ridiculous jet boats and potentially see more competitive wakeboat prices if the competition is stiff enough - one can dream anyway, but competition is always a good thing. |
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I also attached a Google maps pic of my "alleged" Sheriff neighbor. His name is Duane and he is a great guy. |
One of my boat regulars has a Bryant boat and he was looking at adding the swim step thing... It's a really nice boat, but I'm not sure I would put more money into it vs just upgrading.
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uh...this reminds me of the "cinnamon roll" Bagel I saw at the store the other day... why not just get a cinnamon roll AND a bagel...stop making other things into things they shouldnt be.
V-drive or bust. |
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My suggestion to those I/O guys trying to get a piece of the pie.... make an inboard :eek: |
Having an I/O doesn't have to be the kiss of death for water sports. Aside from the props extending beyond the transom, they actually can have some upside. Counter rotating dual props and the ability to alter gear ratios can provide exceptional prop bite for acceleration and speed stability. The ability to trim the outdrive gives another system to alter hull dynamics in relation to speed. As these boats get even larger and heavier, the single prop fixed shaft angle drive configuration will be hard pressed to keep up with a high horsepower, low geared duo-prop setup. If the I/O guys can solve the inherent safety issues by getting creative with the platform or hull design, and wake shape and size, they may have a shot at making inroads into the market.
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Wakeworld week in review.... Bryant IO for surfing gets tentative thumbs up. Sanger matrix210 gets thumbs down.
WTF? Carry on. |
Shawn, I know what one I'd pick. It might even be close in price. ;)
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When I saw this boat, I assumed it must be very reasonably priced. However, the guy at the show said it was $90,000. That seems high to me, but I don't really knwo that much about I/O boats since I sold my Glastron tri-hull 15 years ago! :)
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This thread is interesting to me. I own an I/O. It's a 2001 cobalt 226. a buddy of mine decided to sell it one day. I was familiar with the boat, it came at a time i was interested, and it was in my price range so i said why not. I'm definitely not the entry level watersports fan.... and I'm not really into wakesurfing, so that was never an issue for me, but the wakeboarding wake i felt was easily comparable to a 2004 malibu wakesetter. (i know, kinda old...)
It had a few upgrades done to it before i got it... PP, tower, extended platform... and it has some sacks and bags in it we never take out or empty... I'd have to admit, I haven't been on or behind any newer boats really, so I don't have much to compare it to, and the last thing I *drove* regularly was a 1998 Malibu Sunsetter. But I am pretty happy with the I/O. I do like how it drives, and how it handles the chop and larger waves... We havent had a wave roll over the side since we've owned it. We used to get a wave or two soak us on my buddies boats (2004 malibu and and older sanger). My next boat will most definitely be an inboard, just because that's what i've always wanted, and the technology on the newer boats is definitely built with what i love in mind, but at the same time, if the price is right,(so far sounds a little high) i can see a decent amount of people buying this new bryant I/O, and its got to be 1000 times better than mine. Maybe i just havent been given a real piece of pie yet. Most of you probably dont care, but i'll take you out and give you a tow on mine for a tow on yours. you can drive it too. |
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I need to point my dad at this. He is dead set on an I/O despite having have worked for Brendella building inboards.
I hope they did something better than Mastercraft surf tabs on this :grabs popcorn: |
What I wondr is if this is patented because I can see all the other I/o companies following suit if it sells good.
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I personally know the Dortons and I have to say they are great people and Bryant makes a great boat . I think it is great that now even the I/o buyers can enjoy surfing and wakeboarding like we all have...
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I don't quite understand the I/O hate on this board. This boat is not something I would want, especially for surfing and even more so at that price point, but an I/O boat can still be fun.
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I have a Sanger I/O. It's an old barefoot/slalom boat. All the rest of my friends have V-Drives... MC, Centurion, Malibu. When they get in my boat they go nuts and start power turning because it's so much fun to drive compared to their boats. I tell them to stop and they giggle like little school girls. Not all I/O's are like your Grandpa's I/O. Some actually perform as good or better than V-Drives so you can't say all I/O's are dogs.
Never been on a Bryant but if they know how to build a wake hull I don't see why it wouldn't be able to throw a nice wakeboard wake and surf wake. It would be interesting to see how it handles. That being said, if I was into surfing I would still buy a V-Drive. |
well all i have to say is at least they didn't start saying how much better it is than an inboard and i kinda thing it looks like a newer moomba lsv with the tower and windshield
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That is a great looking boat. I really like what they have done with styling, gel and interior. It is basically an i/o version of a current wakeboard vdrive. That said, if it was a penny over 50k I would't buy it. In the end it is still an I/O. Changing the interior styling, adding PP, ballast, tower and a longer platform still doesn't turn it into a tournament inboard.
I have always thought I/Os were completely overpriced. They include the length of their molded in swim platform so an I/O listed as a 22' boat is actually closer to a 20' boat as far as interior space goes. For example, when I was selling boats we sold Four winns as well as centurion and mastercraft. The four winns were really nice boats but their 220(22') open bow was more like 20' from the transom to tip of the bow. They were priced in the 40K range if I remember correctly and that was for a boat without tower, ballast, PP, amps, heater and a 270hp 5.7L. They were about the same price as a Centurion Elite V withe tower, racks, bimini, center ballast and heater. The Centurion was just flat out more boat. In my opinion the overall quality of the centurion and four winns were about the same as well. |
http://www.boatingmag.com/bryant-boa...w-surf-edition
"The consumer who wants to board 100% of the time are going to stick with inboards,” John Dorton said. The Bryant Surf editions will range in retail price from the mid-$40 to upper $80 thousand dollar range. “Our price points make surfing much more affordable to that general marine consumer as well,” http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...bout-102337339 Look at that "Porch"! That thing is huge and ugly. I wonder how much that affects the wake. Also 55k for the 22' version, at that price you have many v-drive options to go to instead. Overpriced for a compromise boat. Also it's not the first surfable sterndrive. There was a huge Centurion that was an I/O that had the outdrive do far underneath the hull. I want to say it was a "Typhoon" or something, limited production mainly made for the CEO and the rest made to justify it, but it does exist and did before these did. |
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More like 19.5 because I have never seen a swim platform that's only 12" long. Then you add on an additional 2-3 feet for the porch attachment. After it's all said and done you have a 24-25' boat tip to tip that is only a 19.5 foot from bow to transom
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Moomba LSV which is a 21'? Axis T-22? Some 20' V-drives like the R20 and A20? Maybe a stripped down A-22. Maybe a stripped down Mondo? Watch the video and read about it, the porch is like an extended planing surface/tab. It is supposed to help planing at low speeds and wake shape - not sure if it does or not but it is an integral part of the hull by their explanation. 55k is going to bring them business from a bunch of people - in my opinion. It won't be people from Wakeworld, but alas, the world is bigger than Wakeworld ;) |
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looking at the add for that 210 and some other stuff that 21' (listed), sub 20' (interior space), over 25' (LOA) boat for 55k doesn't mention anything about a surf series with ballast, speed control and tabs.
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I do like the unicorn pinata on a skateboard or whatever it is with fireworks.
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"but alas, the world is bigger than Wakeworld "
Say it isn't so Delta Force! Just say it isn't so! |
If you go on Bryant's website they put the price of the 233X that is in the video at between $64000 and $78000. There are good new tow boats that can be had at those prices. Now we are going to see Chaparral come back with their surfing ads again.
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Misc ramblings on my part....
Bryant's are very well made (Cobalts are too) and if I was Mr. Dorton I would do the same thing. Capture a piece of an emerging trend. Not my cup o tea. Is that thing running bow high or what? Nice looking boat. The guys I am surfing with tell me to turn slightly to the left also, our secret is out! I guess it helps enhance the wake out further? Is that wake as small as I think it is. I'm spastic enough to get stuck in that multi-tiered platform doohickey. How much is this thing? |
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Also about what boats you can get, sure those are bew options for that price. But there are tons of lightly used options you can get for 55k all day long. |
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Here's a picture of the same setup driving in a straight line. I was there driving the boat, and it puts out a fun surf wake that anyone would enjoy.
The 233x is a great all around boat. The guys with the top of the line inboard boats are not the market Bryant is seeking. Bryant is bringing their many years of watersports background to a market that involves consumers that don't want to buy a boat and use it 100% of the time for wakeboarding and wakesurfing, which is the majority of the the pie out there. If any out there are doubting the capabilities or quality of this boat, I'd be honored to have you come out to Knoxville for me to show you the manufacturing process and take you out on a 233. |
Also, as I'm reading here, The sportporch is an extended platform that will get you a safe distance away from the prop. It's also a great feature to have when your out tied-up in a line of boats or swimming with your family and friends. As you can see in the picture it does cut into the wave a little, but not enough to effect the wave at all. At wakeboard speeds, it will not touch the water. The trim tabs are also on this boat, and help clean up the wave quite a bit.
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A boat like this would be perfect for my buddy. He is just getting into surfing but most of his time on the water is cruising or anchored at the beach. You do not see many inboards on lake Erie and for good reason, it can get huge real quick. Plus he likes to be able to trim up and back up close to the beach
Around here you would have a hard time talking someone into an inboard because they most likely have never been on one with a deeper v. I could see him being very interested in this and guys like him are who they are after. |
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For anyone that has questions about the boat take Brad up on his offer. He is a standup guy and so are the Dortons that own the company
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I dont really understand why I/O's cost less than inboards.
I/O's have so much more mechanical and maintenance overhead than a inboard. I would never buy a IO ever again, they are a maintenance nightmare, Bellows, Gimbal bearing, U-joints, impeller inside the outdrive, shifter cable, having to remember to put the outdrive up/down when leaving the dock and damaging the Skeg, zincs, and list goes on. Most of the stuff I listed above, is a yearly maintenance thing. |
Lets just focus on the fact that the surf wake in that video looked like crap and they had to drive in circles just to make it.
Then they make the FALSE claim of the first wakesurfable stern drive, as the Centurion Typhoon was marketed as that a decade earlier. |
I meant Tsunami above, not Typhoon. Both of those boats make a better surf wake than the Bryant.
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WW is a great place to come for haters.
This boat is not meant to make an Enzo size wave. It's not marketed for you. Why hate on it? |
It is what it is.It"s up to the buyer to decide if what it is is what they want and determine if what it is is a good choice when compared to an inboard and what IT is.:rolleyes:
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BTW if one is determined not to buy an inboard then buy a jet boat to surf,problem solved.I"m sure you can get a used one for 7000 or whatever.
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I'm sure you will figure out what IT is after a while too:D
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I did that on my old i/o and still couldnt surf....
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"55k is going to bring them business from a bunch of people - in my opinion. It won't be people from Wakeworld, but alas, the world is bigger than Wakeworld "
Hope nobody on wakeworld will buy one. I think the ones that buy it are going to be stuck with it and wonder why they can't sell it for $35,000 a year later, because I much rather have my 2005 VLX than that piece! |
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Between 40k and 80k thats a huge spread .The one it the ad only had 220 hp , no mention of a surf system and still listed for almost 60k. My guess a fully equipped surf edition will be closer to the 80k . Thats well within the range of many top end Vdrive boats. Looks like another Chaparral big on talk and not so much on performance. Saying its just as good dosnt always make it so . Ill stay with my vdrive it does everything I want and I didn't spend anywhere near 80k.
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No doubt Bryant builds a nice quality boat. And more power to them, if they can get into this market provide a roomy boat that throws a awesome wakeboard and wakesurf wave under $50k they have something! But if they start bumping up to quality Vdrive prices they will fail.
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I actually do agree with above statement. They have to stay under the inboard prices by a number that makes sense to most buyers or they "will fail".
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It better have a bath room if its going to compete with the Chaparral X22?
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I am on my third Bryant and second 233X (2012 and 2015). They are good boats but not if you want to wakeboard or surf to any good level. I can wakeboard behind my 233X no problem but I am not out doing huge tricks. I am married with 2 kids so we mainly tube and raft up so the boat works perfect for us. We ended up paying $66k for a fully loaded one with underwater lights, sub, tower speakers, dual batteries, 3 amps, etc. However, with all that said we will be looking to move over to Supra or Mastercraft. I feel that Bryant is growing to big for their pants... I just saw a new 233X for $99k which is way to much. I don't like the porch setup either. For $99k, I can get in a loaded Supra or an X-30...
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You will enjoy the Supra or MC over a Bryant. |
Froggy, some of the Bryants do have a built in head in exactly the same as the one you pictured. I have several friends that own Bryant boats and they are high quality boats. I saw a brand new surf edition a couple of weeks ago when I was tied up with about 5 Bryant boats.. Was that you on Tellico Lake tied up with us in power line cove, Brad?
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Brad,
I couldn't remember the guys name, but my friend said he was second in command at Bryant or something like that. It amazes me how the Bryant guys hang out together. |
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