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I can understand the "Outrage" when its to do with cruelty to animals or children. I'm not sending anyone death threats tho.
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Its great to be appreciated! Safe spaces for everyone. Yay!
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Plhorn: your a dong tard, & “Red Dawn” come on, but to the point that the “Local PD has better arms then you so why be armed” that’s just stupid but you sound ignorant, notice how I didn’t say stupid or dumb. Just ignorant. You know what kills ignorance. Knowledge, so I’ll drop a little on you. First off depending on where you live your local PD May or May Not be better armed then you. Example I took these photos almost 1 year ago while driving threw Vacaville. Vacaville PD has a MRAP. If they want your A$$ and you pushed it they could unload this in your living room & 6 bad A$$’s jump out and cuff and stuff your so fast you might just think you Home Theater took over. So having 20 AR’s & 30,000 rounds is not gonna do you any good when your sitting in your lazy boy with your remote in hand when the MRAP “rings the door bell”
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So you get triggered when the trophy hunter kill an elephant huh but what about the villagers living there and throwing hot tar balls at baby elephants any response on that?
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com...8&h=462&crop=1 http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/08/angry-...phant-7061890/ Who cares what laws we pass on animals in africa in the US .The people there are just gonna kill them all themselves. |
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195 countries disagree with you about the climate accord, even such well known environmental warriors like China, Russia and India have signed. In fact the whole world has signed, except USA which now is reviving the coal industry. Lol.
The link to the elephants is both are environmental issues, both times US shows a lack of leadership. Didn't think the dots were that far apart but apparently for some they are.... |
The climate accord is a load of BS.
I cant read what you wrote in the second part it doesnt make sense "is both are " ??? |
Have you actually looked into the specifics of the climate accord or are you just against the idea in general?
The link between the climate accord and the allowing of the importation of trophy kills in to the USA is they are both environmental issues. Factor in putting a person in charge of the EPA who recieves campaign donations from the fossil fuel industry and you start to see a trend of a step towards big business at the cost to the environment. Not that it is a surprise, it's what trump campaigned on, and it's what the American people voted for. |
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Hop on the Trump train bois or be run over were going full steam ahead and we aint stopping over here MAGA 2020. Since Trump became president the US has no more seasons its summer 24/7 365 cause the snowflakes are melting rapidly. |
Ha ha, great troll. I need a safe space.
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" Knowledge, so I’ll drop a little on you. First off depending on where you live your local PD May or May Not be better armed then you. Example I took these photos almost 1 year ago while driving threw Vacaville. Vacaville PD has a MRAP. If they want your A$$ and you pushed it they could unload this in your living room & 6 bad A$$’s jump out and cuff and stuff your so fast you might just think you Home Theater took over. So having 20 AR’s & 30,000 rounds is not gonna do you any good when your sitting in your lazy boy with your remote in hand when the MRAP “rings the door bell”
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^^^ I supported his point, you must have forgot about the part where I said “DEPENDING on where you live” Some PD’s are no better armed then Barney Fife, and you have a 40 Min wait time for “service” some PDs will show up in as little as 2 mins.
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I guess it threw me off that you supported his point after calling him ignorant. My bad.....
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So my point still stands, your guns are worthless because the "Goberment is commin to git ya" and they can kick your ignorant gun-toting butt whenever they want. |
I see your point, & yes Its a valid one. 99% of Gun Toating people Don’t think they can hold off the full force of a hypothetical “Tyrannical Government” but the Idea that it’s usless to arm yourself cause the government can overpower at will is foolish In my Opinion.
Some people have a huge Insurance policy That makes them feel safe. Some people have a Big O dog that makes them feel safe. Some people have a cell phone where they can call 911 and that makes them feel safe. Some people feel they are gonna pray to God and that will make them feel safe. Some people have a Arsenal Of guns and ammo and that makes them feel safe. Point is what ever makes you feel safe and is legal I’m cool with it. I’m not gonna tell some one their teddy bear and special blanket is not so $hit for them, you do you and I’ll do me, and we will both be fine. |
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The NRA and the GOP are either doing nothing to keep the guns away from the crazies or are actively helping them (Trump's recent change to allow mentally unstable people more access to guns). The mass shootings are happening so often we don't even put the flags at half mast for it anymore. Regular mass murder is too high a price to pay to make insecure people feel safer especially when they are making themselves less safe. |
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Besides guns , Have you ever heard the argument social media is more is more to blame for mass shootings than the actual guns themselves ? I have heard multiple arguments on several platforms ranging from the ICPA , ITOA, and other social experts . Facebook live, and other outlets allow gangs to taunt each other in real time , allow a platform for “likeminded “ to share their views and thoughts, allow side groups to form and groups of disturbed individuals to make a name for themselves , recruit others and access people with the same crazy thoughts. Allows real time Viewing and a platform to became instantly famous . If you ask me, the mental portion of turning someone into a mass shooter is way more important than the access to a firearm , most would agree I think as well , yet there is no discussion about that segment in prime time or by any political leader . Social media is way more destructive than any piece of steel in my opinion. I’ll continue to carry mine 24/7 much like many responsible American’s. A majority of these gun carrying Americans make our country safer FACT! I’ll take my chances going to a venue where everyone is legally armed then sitting in a gun free zone any day of the week. Some more fun facts for you .how many of those you think were comitted by legal gun owners? Attachment 43802 |
Want to reduce gun violence?
The Liberal Approach is Ineffective. Use a Public Health Approach Instead. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...imes&smtyp=cur |
The most interesting thing about the article Wes posted is that gun owners and households with not guns agree (more or less) on the following:
background checks for all gun buyers Preventing the mentally ill from buying guns Nationwide ban on the sale of guns to people convicted of violent crimes Barring gun purchases by people on no-fly or watch lists Background checks for private sales and at gun shows Federal mandatory waiting period on all gun purchases A ban on modifications that make a semi- automatic gun work like an automatic gun A ban on the sale of guns to people convicted of violent crimes would reduce gun violence New gun laws will not interfere with the right to own guns Congress is not doing enough to reduce gun violence Creating a federal database to track gun sales A ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines (10+ bullets)* But the NRA and the GOP fights against implementing most if not all of this stuff. If you agree with the list and support the NRA you need to reevaluate your decisions. |
I agree with all of that. I must be a liberal. Now I am off to go duck hunting.
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TBH I really am researching trying to decide if the tax bill is good or bad. Two ways to look at this: a) how does this effect my income. and b) how does this effect the economy as a whole.
a) both the house and senate plan lower my income tax at what I currently make, and what I can hope to make in the foreseeable future. So far I actually like the senate bill better. Just FYI I am a millennial living in Louisiana. So on that side, sounds nice. Another thing, I work in sales, and my customers are mostly S corps. Most of them will see a pretty big tax cut so they say and hopefully they attempt to grow and re-up to new equipment when they get those taxes reduced. Therefor, sell more, make more money, I like it! b) I am not an economist, so idk. |
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In my opinion , not discussing anything related to the article , gun crime is and has always been a social / mental issue not a “physical steel /polymer gun” issue. |
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The watch list ban is a hard one. One side of the coin is the ability to keep surveillance and monitor no fly subjects with the utmost secrecy. The other side is denying them access and possibly alerting them they are being watched. Tough call Semi auto vs fully auto ban, Search YouTube , most common misconception imo is that a fully auto gun can cause more damage simply because it’s fire rate is faster . Ever tried to hold a fully auto AR or AK 47 on targwtbin full auto mode ? Dam near impossible . It’s another fallacy . Both guns can inflict the same amount of carnage if the person behind the trigger knows how to pull it. A semi auto rifle is way more accurate , and you can dump almost as many round that “count” in the same fashion as a fully auto gun . |
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They are saying that S corp owners will pocket more $. So your customers have more disposable income, another win for you if they choose to spend it. (just an aside...I work in sales too. But, if the plan is passed and there are restrictions to the mortgage deduction, property tax deduction and SALT...it kills my biz. Tax plans need to be complicated in order to work for all, or at least most). This is why I believe tax reform is so difficult and I disagree with the process the administration used to "throw it together". They did this all on their own without input from any "experts" or the other party repping the country. So can anyone explain why millionaires and large corporations NEED a big tax cut? The Big corporations all have billion$ in cash...they are not spending it. Millionaires have plenty of disposable income but you can only have so many $5K suits and purses. The repubs did this during the Reagan years and again under Bush. Neither time did the $$ trickle down. Why will this time be different. Income disparity is at all time highs and every time this trickle down theory gets a shot...the disparity becomes larger. I recently read that the 8 richest individuals in the world have the same amount of money as the poorest 50% of the entire world. Trump campaigned on clearing the swamp, sticking up for the forgotten middle class yet his actions, accomplishments and goals (taxcut) do not align with those promises, just the opposite. The tax plan needs more work, it needs more thought on how tax and deductions are calculated, more on where the taxpayer lives and are they paying state tax, property tax...on and on. |
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Taxes - yes to what 95sn said, not to mention a 350 BILLION dollar cut to medicare/medicaid? Nope. I'm in the 1% and I don't want this bs because it's bad for the economy and bad for the middle class and bad for the whole country in the long run.
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You do realize that the Vegas shooter DID NOT use fully auto weapons . He used modified semi auto weapon(s), more specifically one with a bump stock that is designed to fire rounds faster then a semi auto , but be easier to mantain target acquisition with . Also found/used was one with an alleged modified hand crank. He didn’t “fix the misconception” he outfitted his guns a certain way in a calculated manner to achieve his goal of maximum carnage because he was aware of such details.
General question to the anti gunners or even those gun owners ........Do you really think if he couldn’t have gotten his hands on the guns he owned , that he still wouldn’t have found a way to carry out his plan? He could’ve drove a semi truck into a crowd of people , planted explosives . Which leads us back to the argument of are guns really the focus of blame. If the US was a gun free society , would that have been enough to stop this crazed lunatic , My answer is an emphatic no. Much like the question, would not having access to weapons reduce the suicide rate dramatically? Again no , people will find a way to get it done. Would a compete gun ban actually reduce crime ,That’s been proven to be a huge no , simply by areas with the toughest gun laws notoriously being the areas with the highest concentrated gun crime rates. I am all for common sense regulations and restrictions , but blanket bans and a push for a gunless US is simply crazy talk. There are way more responsible gun owners than crazy’s with them. Punishing responsible owners or restricting acces completely based on the actions of outlying deranged individuals is ludicrous . The fact one portion of society doesn’t like guns , shouldn’t affect those that do. Much like the liberal bumper sticker , both can “coexist “ Like g mentioned . You do you and I’ll do me. If you don’t like guns don’t buy one , if you do like guns you should have the option to buy one. It’s a simple as that . My choice to carry doesn’t effect you and you choice to not carry doesn’t effect me . |
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Seems like the fairest way to tax corps is to allow them to deduct dividends paid from profits, and tax dividends paid to the recipient at normal tax rates. That would be better than lowering the corp tax rate.
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Did you know that article actually left out the factual data and is very misleading. Did you know that gun violence was already on the rise before they changed the law , and changing the law actually reduced the “spike “ in gun violence that was already happening before the law change? It’s always good to know the facts behind the data. Here’s one of the many articles explaining the misleading claims . https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...ntrol.amp.html I bet you can also guess where a majority of the the gun crimes are occurring and which areas have experienced the most significant increase. I am sure you are aware that the population demographics of Missouri have mirrored /matched the increases in violent crimes . Missouri has been the prime talking point for liberal anti gunners for a decade now. Several aspects argued in the Missouri findings have all been explained and disputed. Don’t believe headlines . Other areas across the nation that have instituted stricter gun laws in the same period have seen ,in some cases, double the increase in violent crime that Missouri has seen. Those areas are evidence contrary to the taking point. |
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I'll sit back and see if you will answer honestly without having to resort to the ole "you're a liberal" argument. There are plenty of non-liberals that don't have a problem with tighter restrictions on buying guns. It's disingenuous for you to continue with talk of a blanket ban on guns. I haven't heard of democrats pushing for a total ban on buying firearms. |
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^^^^ spot on^^^^^
The same point could be said for pretty much everything that plagues this great nation. “Enforce the laws that we currently have on the books. “ Immigration for one thing. The first thing people don’t recognize is that FACT that people are here illegally. Your here illegally. You broke rule #1 “DO NOT PASS GO” end of story. if they would inforce rule number #1 we wouldnt have the all the other issues & regulations laws that stem from people being here illegally. On a Side note have you noticed that the Name “illegal alien” has all but disappeared from vocabulary. #1 First it was “illegal alien” the proper name of a person came into this country and either overstayed your Visa or snuck in. #2 then the term illegal alien was slowly replaced by “undocumented citizen” wow so all the sudden you’re now a citizen. #3 now they are referred to as “immigrants” Do you see how people from the left always keep moving the line of reality ever so slightly. The left says things like “why are u grumpy old men getting excited and about what we call things what’s the big deal” it’s because it’s not a simple name change. Look at my example above. Over 20 years the same “Illegal alien” transformed into a “innocent & poor immigrant” |
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You do realize that the NRA pumps millions into campaigns to keep the 2nd amendment non-issue alive, correct. You are simply a rube that actually believes someone is coming to take your guns. |
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America is an incredibly polarized society who will continue to kill each other at record rates while each side dig in further and further. Winning.
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Oh, that's good then, carry on as usual. I'm sure the trend will just right itself.
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Actually you are right gun death rate is actually declining, I guess if you just accept that current levels are ok, you just got to shrug when the next event happens.
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Just FYI The attached chart is an example of how somebody with a vested interest can manipulate data to display what they like.
The American data uses the left hand scale and the Ausy data uses the right hand scale. So on first look, it seems usa and ausy start in a similar position and diverge rapidly after legislation. But infact USA and Ausy gun deaths are not similar with USA starting at 15/100,000 and Ausy at 3.6/100,000 more than 4x more for the USA. At the end it is 11 to 1. 11x more gun deaths per capita in the US than in Ausy. If you think that is ok and doesn't need attention, i don't know what else to say. |
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Sorry, don't know what you mean
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You know I think I’m finally understanding what it’s like for liberals.They had eight years OBOZO! With him trying to take away guns and signing us up for lopsided climate and trade deals where the US is getting bent over . Obozo granting citizenship to thousands of illegal aliens. And the list goes on. Then along comes Trump. And all the sudden their liberal wet dream has come to an end. I guess these Snowflakes Thought they were going to have it their way forever. No wonder why Van Jones said that the Trump victory was a white lashing
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Just because you are in another country doesn't mean I don't have compassion for your society, my patriotism doesn't work that way. And truthfully I like understanding the human condition and find these types of discussion entertaining, it helps me reformulate my ideas about how people tick. Seeing how the "right wing" Americans mind works is something I get very little exposure to in my immediate circle. |
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Trump supporting the pedophile. Republicans, the party of class. Drain the swamp, right?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...labama-n823026 |
Since you guys like pictures and exaggerating and memes (not much for readin, writin, and thinkin...) Heres one you don't have to read much. Just look at the pictures. ;)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8066911.html |
I also can’t believe a guy is trying to compare gun grime in the US to gun crime to Australia in order to make an anti gun rant. That’s the single funniest thing I’ve read today . If we took away all the shootings confined to major ghettos ,committed by one single demographic ........Split that demographics population index evenly between both countries , what do you think that would do to the numbers in Australia.
Here’s some other numbers for you. Think population density has anything to do with murder rates ? https://www.infoplease.com/us/us-cit...ation-and-rank https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._by_population Gee let’s look at the population numbers of those most populous major urban areas that account for the largest number of gun crimes , and compare those numbers to numbers in Australian cities . Let’s further look at the racial demographic breakdeown between the leading areas in both countries. Let’s also compare the number of crimes committed with legally purchased and owned firearms in both countries. Do you have that data? I don’t know if you know how to read a chart but a sudden spike is an anomaly. Gun crime was on the same pace to decline with or without the new gun law. Suspiciously missing from the chart is the notation/mark/data on why you had such a significant spike in gun crime in 96. Do you think that had anything to do with the mass shooting in which 35 people were killed and 23 more were wounded? Do you think that single event being largest mass shooting ever recorded in Austrilian history had anything to do with skewing a graph at a time when the decided to tighten gun laws? It was a nice attempt to try and prove a point that doesn’t exist, but please next time provide all the facts and data behind the numbers. Your attempt to compare two countries that couldn’t be any more different than one another in population density and demographics was admirable , but it’s a failed effort . That’s precisely what’s wrong with the effort from the left to curb gun violence. They consistently look to other societies for arguments that have nothing in common with the areas experiencing the highest increases skewing the stats in our own country. |
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Remember the imbecile who flipped off Trump she living in a cardboard box under the bridge a lot of good she got out of it she lost her job for 10 minutes of spotlight. And btw as far as reading, writing and thinking there is nothing to think read or write about when it comes to democrats the pic sums it all up. |
Ahhh, Someone need a hug?
There are no consequences, Trump, the self admitted sexual predator and pedophile supporter said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose a vote, remember? Consequences are for regular folks not Stars, they grab pussy. |
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Shoosh wakeslash, adults are talking.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Vlf0SISTs&t=28s
LMAOOOO at all the black people feeling oppressed in here haha. And blaming everyone else for their troubles. |
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But I'm sure that was just a coincidence, and not the obvious logical result. |
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Tell me I'm wrong. GOP- Grumpy old pervs. |
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Ok genious. Explain the fact there wasn’t a previous mass shooting prior to that event either when the gun law wasn’t in effect........Typical knee jerk, one sided , overreaction by a government based on a single outlying event..........But hey don’t let facts get in the way of a crusade |
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p.s. correct spelling of the word genius... kinda important when you want to use it sarcastically to insult someone's intelligence. |
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I think you forgot "be apostrophe nazis" on that list. ("girl's bathrooms" lol) |
So, the USA has 112 guns per 100 people. More than 1 gun for every person in the USA. This highest per capita gun rate in the world.
Our gun homicide rates are 10x higher than most other European/Developed Nations. The only countries with higher gun homicide rates than us are almost all in S. America. Our gun death rate (including suicide) is one of the highest in the world. Our Gun death rate by suicide is 2nd highest in the world. I just want to get this straight - you pro gun guys think we need more guns to fix this issue? or do you just not see any correlation at all between the number of guns in a country to gun deaths in a country? Or do you just not think that our high rate of gun deaths (by homicide, accident, suicide) is an issue at all? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate |
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I think that most believe that even if you make it more difficult for a good guy to get a gun, the bad guy will always find one. and With so many guns out there, getting rid of them is impossible From the gun owners that I know, the feeling is that the progressive left will always want to nibble at the issue until their right to own ANY gun is taken away. Therefore , they oppose almost ALL gun regulation |
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Hoddle Street massacre Clifton Hill, Victoria 7 dead Queen Street massacre 8 December 1987 8 dead Surry Hills shootings 30 August 1990 5 dead 7 injured Strathfield massacre 17 August 1991 7 dead Central Coast massacre 27 October 1992 6 dead 1993 Cangai siege March 1993 5 dead I removed all the mass shooting that only involved family members or gang fights. There are alot of those too. But I'm sure that gun control has nothing to do with the FACT that there haven't been any more mass shootings in Australia but there seems to be one a week here. |
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