Speaking with no specific inside knowledge on this, I cant imagine the investment that Indmar is about to take on. Its not just water pumps and CATS but a whole new engine management system integration with our needed speed control, wake enhancement gadgets, surf gadgets, ect. I have no Idea how it will turn out but I commend Indmar for attempting a new approach. The Ford thing was a real surprise to me.
Although much too short for us wanting to know all the plans and specs, I thought Chuck did a really good job compared to all the other presentations. He left me with the impression that he was truly committed to seeing the project thru. Because I have a wakesurfing buddy who lost his niece due to CO poisoning on an (non-Supra) old ski boat, I PRAY this motor helps getting CATS on 500hp+ motors. I know Indmar is trying to get this done. Great to see the Supra in the background. |
It will be very interesting to see how well this pans out for Ford, Indmar, and Supra... Overhead cam engines aren't really known for making torque at low engine speeds, which is what we as tow boat owners need. I have no specific engine data for the "marineized 6.2L" but going off the Raptor engine specs it doesn't even get above 300 ft/lbs until around 3300 RPMs and makes peak torque at 4500 RPMs. In my opinion there will have to be one heck of a gear reduction v-drive and large prop to make up that lost low-end torque compared to other options out there.
Here are a few dyno graphs I found... Granted these are on chasis dynos and the numbers may be a bit lower than going through a boat drivetrain, but either way I don't get warm fuzzies. http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...pseab37735.jpg Link to article dyno graph was pulled from... http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/02/f...en-more-power/ Now if they threw a Whipple supercharger on top, those numbers are quite promising! Nice flat torque curve all the way throught the RPM range. I guess we will have to wait and see once the actual engine is released and not just the truck engine sitting on a stand. http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...psf1c3cd8c.jpg Link to Whipple Supercharger's dyno info... http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/...sp?ProdID=1274 |
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Found the All Ford announcement on their FB page but it doesn't have a timeline.
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Engine prices are crazy on upgrading your boat. You think this will be any different with Ford? Will the consumer save anything or will this be even more money...?
I think the upgrade from the 350 HP to the 450HP has been about $10K. The upgrade from the 350HP to the 550HP was like $20K. My numbers are not exact but something along these lines. |
You are about right with the msrp upgrade prices. It won't be any cheaper, if anything it will probably be more because last time I checked, the boat mfr's haven't put out the same boat with less cost in the the last 7 years at least.
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anyone know when this takes affect for indmar? I will be building an a24 shortly and wondering when the options take affect and which motor I would be getting?
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Indmar not the only one loosing GM.
The following is from http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/5...ndrive-in-2014 Posted Oct 25th, 2013 Mercury Marine plans to introduce a new sterndrive engine next year as the company moves away from sterndrive engine blocks made by General Motors and strives to shift demand back to the segment. |
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I heard 2015. Not sure if this is accurate though. |
seems like this is something manufacturers are more excited about than consumers.... i'm sure theres guys out there who are, but put me on the list of not. I'd never buy a boat with a ford engine. ever.
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I did hear that old style gm blocks are not going to be produced anymore, starting 2014.
But that doesnt mean they cant start using the 5.3, or LSx |
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I am confused too as to why this is such a big deal. I'm not excited about the exact that the ford may or may not get better fuel economy, but if it runs and they warranty it. I don't care.
With ford in the mix and the possibility of an Ecoboost in a boat. I'll take it. |
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Fine by me, let them keep hiking up the cost of new boats. I'm thoroughly enjoying my 2008 that has depreciated in value, little, if at all, in the last several years. |
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The new Idmar is indeed Ford and it just dropped at Sema. Look at the pic/Description of the raptor towpig
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It cracks me up how you guys act like marinizing a block is like building a space ship. I seriously doubt you will feel the costs very much on the buyer end.
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Maybe Ford is getting into this because of the monopoly GM has had and can charge whatever they want for engines. Competition can only help both cost and performance.
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Why do so many think this is some kind of partnership focused on a hybrid marine engine (e.g. Diesel or Eco). With boat prices soaring past the 6 figure mark, not to mention 6k pound mark - does fuel consumption even matter? If you can afford a 6 figure boat, 20% fuel efficiency probably does not even remotely drive the path to purchase.
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Dude... Fuel efficiency matters Everytime this come up on here everyone chimes in saying its important to them. The benefits of diesel over gas in this application just begin at efficiency. Not only would they burn less fuel, they would literally get double the ballast out of the water and last for thousands of hours longer than a gas block. It's such a no brainer. I think the main reasons these boat motor companies don't do it is how much easier it is to tun wrenches on on gas motor than work on a modern turbo diesel. Think how many indmar mechanics at local shops would have to be trained on diesel motors. I just thought if this, I bet the logistics of it would be a nightmare so instead they just keep coming out with higher powered sports car motors for boats.
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Think how incredibly In-efficient it would be if semi trucks towed around loads with sports car tuned gas engines. Sure it's an exaggeration but it's kind of the same idea. They would literally spend 3 times the amount they do on fuel. If I could even cut the money I spend putting fuel into my boat in half (considering it's about 100 bucks per day and I ride about 200hrs a year) It would well be worth it.
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somone I think hit on this earlier. but I'm going to elaborate. GM is phasing out V8 Engines built in the Mexico plant all together. NO MORE Marinized GM V8's within the next 4 years. They are raising the price to the builders 7% every year until then, to generate funds to develop and build a supercharged V6 as the replacement. \f the marinizers obviously didn't like that route, hence ford V8's and Mercuriser building their own sourced engines. Watch, PCM will follow. and so on...
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I can't imagine riding behind a diesel powered boat, would be nauseating.
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why is that? modern diesels burn cleaner than gas vehicles especially outdated chevy blocks designed in the 1970s
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That was the specific motor I was referring to. Not that any of the gas motors are bad motors and I think they should always be an option. But for people who run heavy heavy ballast like me diesel would be a true game changer.
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The defenders will state that they don't want to drop it, as it is cheap, reliable, cheap to repair and makes enough power for some people's needs. |
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Gosh the launch video at SEMA is super horrible...I want my time back from Indmar for making me watch this crap-
Now, where is the oil filter on this thing? |
I looked on the Indmar site, they don't list which boat company is getting this engine first, is it a '14 model?
Anybody know where the Ford Raptor will first land? |
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