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Axis A20
After driving the Axis A22, which seems to be a excellent boat if you get some options with it, and asking the malibu dealer where I am from at there on the water boat show questions about the boat they told me that Axis is coming out with a 20 ft boat. They said the boat should look just like the a22 but a little cheaper. The A22 goes for arond 45-50k with some options is what I and heard and read and they were thinking the A20 should be under 40k with some options. I wondering if anyone has seen any other info on it besides this http://axiswakeboardboat.com/axis-a-20/
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Honestly, I wish more companies would explore smaller boats. 19 foot, 20 foot, heck even a decent 18 footer. Some of us just dont have the room for these bigger boats. Everything small is usually ski-specific.
An A-20 sounds interesting. |
I wish I was allowed to spill be beans, but i'm not. Keep your eyes pealed! This boat is gonna rock! No corners are being cut!
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Come on Ross tell us!!! I email axis with some questions and they hadn't email me back yet. What the guys at the dealership were telling me it should look like the A22
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When is their expected to be more info? This sounds very interesting
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I would be extremely interested in this boat!
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Can you tell us what hull design? Hopefully not the VTX, not a fan and I own a malibu.
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Sorry to hijack but, the rumor is that Tige will be redesigning the 20V to make a 20' picklefork.
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Tige huh. So what is this one going to be ? The RZ1? I doubt it will have as low of a price tag as the a-20. I'm really intersted in this new axis. Can you at least tell us when we'll be getting the info on it?
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Hull design of the A-22 after talking to Matt Bishop at Axis is a combination of a couple of the Malibu hulls so I'm guess the A-20 is the most likely the same kind of thing
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If it's anything like the 22, it will be a damn nice boat! Especialy with the same motor in it...
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Both companies seem to be going after the X2 customer. Not a bad idea for people looking for boats 10 to 20k less than what it seems a brand new X2 goes for these days. For me I like to keep my boat in my garage so staying in that 20-21ft range is perfect. Also more people can afford boats in the upper 30s to lower 40's. Its a bigger market and both companies are killing it right now with their new boats. Look forward to riding in both.
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I really wish someone would come out with a 20footer brand new out the door for 35ish give or take depending on the options you add on... add in a new boat warranty and all that jazz... I would serious look at any boat in this price range... Most people can't justify 45k+ on a boat when you don't get to use it ALL the time especially here in IL and farther up north
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I didn't give much more than that for my Tige 20V brand new. I am sure the price will go up with the redesign, though.
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if they came out with a A20 it WOULD be my next boat.
ive got a small crew, small budget, and a small tow vehicle. i prefer the 20 footers. the smaller and lighter boat, would also allow the same ballast weight to sink it lower than the 22. |
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not many boats in the 35,000 price range any more we bought our falcon new last summer for 30,000 as a brand new dealer repo with full warranty and 0hrs came with a 330hp black scorpion, ballast,heat, bimini and perfect pass.We could not be happier with the boat it is 20'8" long and has a 102" beam the free board is deep and after all my mods the wake is huge think we are into it for a total of 37,000 after doing the stereo,custom ballast,exhaust,switchblade,underwater lights,tower lights,docking lights,dual batteries,charger,racks,window tint and interior led's.the interior seems to have more room than most bigger boats.length was top of my list when shopping here are a couple pics if you are looking for a boat under 21' the falcon is worth taking a look at there are still some good deals out there
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In some of these mocked up pictures of the axis boats, I cant help but think they look like the MB tomcat....
but the actual pictures make them look sick. For tige, I guess it would be the RZ1 and im pretty sure they will keep the 20V cause there is still a market for it. But the 20 foot picklefork will compete with the X-2 |
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+1 for the falcon :)
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They latest new I had heard from my dealer is they are coming with a single axle trailer
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I was told the pricing on the A22 is going up next year and that the A20 is going to be priced where the current A22 is priced. I hope this is not the case. That kind of thing would seem to go totally against the whole ideology of Axis.
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i hope the price doesn't go up.... they will be competing with everyone else if they do that.... if its more price point they could be in a league of their own!! 35kish for a brand new 20ft boat (pretty much loaded) needs to happen!!!
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I can't wait until more information is officially released so I can talk about this boat. |
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I have talk to Matt Bishop a few weeks ago and he gave me alot of info on the A-22 but wouldn't let me anything about the A-20. Do you know when they will be releasing info on the A-20? |
There was an A20 in Charleston TN last Sunday that pulled several divisions of the "Board for a Cure" wakeboard tournament. There are pictures on facebook of riders behind the boat. Not sure if there are any boat pictures.
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Pete if that happens my boat will be for sale!
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mine too dude... I really think they would sell a ton of em....
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Do you guys wanting or having 20ft boats use them in rivers, small lakes, or private lakes? There's no way I'd have a 20ft anything on the lake I use because there's lots of open water and 2ft wind blown waves are common...sometimes 3ft. That low freeboard just scares me.
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My Tige 20V does not have a low freeboard. It handles big lakes like a dream.
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There will be an A20 wih us at Board Bonanza in Nashville this weekend.
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emailed my local dealership and got allitle info
"Thanks for your interest in AXIS. There are a few new things for 2011. A ski pylon is optional, better fitting cover, new cruise control programming, larger snap out carpet, better access to storage areas in bow and a few others. One of the big differences is the engines. After 12/31/10 no one will be able to order the AXIS without catalytic converters on the engine. They have been pretty much std. equipment on Wakesetters since ’07, but we have been resistant to put them on the Axis and Malibu Rides due to price. The cats on the motors will increase the cost by about $1500. So, apples to apples a fall/winter boat will be about $1500 cheaper than a late winter spring boat. No difference in horsepower, but cleaner emissions and a little better fuel economy with the cat motor. If you want to save $1500 then order before 12/31! All the Malibu exterior colors are available on the Axis line for 2011. The A20 is pretty simple. It is an Axis-ized Malibu VTX Wakesetter. The hull is similar if not identical to the VTX and it is mated to the Axis deck. A scaled down version of the A22. All the same features are there with just 100lbs less factory ballast than the A22. Can’t wait to see it. It will be about $4k price difference between the two boats I’m told. We’ll see." |
the optional ski pylon is a joke in my book. You take out the middle cup holder on the back sun pad and screw in the ski pylon.
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I do not like those graphics at all.
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That's a 2011 A-22 actually. It's Adam's boat and the graphic is a one off. I got a chance to ride behind the new A-20 a month or so ago. The ballast were not completely full but the wake was nice. If you are in the market for a 20 ft. boat by all means check it out.
I myself can't deal with less than 21.5 feet, but like I said if you are in the market for a 20 ft. boat go out and test drive/ride one. |
nice boat i don't care for the graphics or the lack of side windshield. but other than that it has a nice tower and good clean lines. colors can be changed but i don't care for the windshield. just my 2 cents.
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O OK. shoot. thought it was a spy shot.
i love the windsheild. so practical. and looks good too. and i prefer small boats. smaller hull + same ballast = bigger wake. simple physics. |
That boat looks pretty sweet, but I agree... not a fan of the graphics. That new windshielf looks pretty cool, I just wonder how effective it is when you run into some cooler weather or chop?
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The windshield is very functional. I can talk to riders and dock the boat by myself without having to leave the driver seat. I wasn't a huge fan of the window at first but it has grown on me. |
just got this from the dealership! just released by malibu and OKed for release. real pics of a A20 and a few tidbits of info. came to me in PDF, i just did a screen cap.
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6995/a20q.jpg man reverse the colors, and thats the exact boat i will order. no graphics and all. |
That is a good looking boat. Kind of wish our A22 had a transom seat.
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very nice. I always thought that if I bought an axis I would either order without the graphics, or peel them off. this boat looks real nice without the graphics
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Hard!
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I see the brochure finally hit dealerships :)
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sweet lord yes!
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awesome... are those stock graphics?
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When is a 23-24 footer coming out!!! I like the lines but don't want the small boat.
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The first picture Corey posted is a 2010 A-22(All black with the word Axis at in angle) which is Adam Mccall demo boat I rode in last weekend at there Demo Day in Minnesota. The black and teal is a factory color you could order. They guys at MNInboard (The Malibu and Axis dealer here is MN) said they have a a-22 coming in the same color scheme
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Cory, if you get this boat, that means we'll both be wiping our boats down after each use...not just me wiping down my boat
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amen! haha
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DAMN...... I am SOLD.... Axis is Looking legit....
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Ed and Bruizza, that transom seat is also on the 2011 A22. A while back I sent a list of minor "issues" to Matt Bishop, and virtually every one of them is solved in the 2011 design. Matt and Adam are really going the extra mile to make sure that Axis keeps getting better while still keeping the cost down.
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I figured it was Joe. Unfortunately it will be a while before we upgrade from the one we just bought. A transom seat obviously wasn't a deal breaker but it would be nice to have.
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just got the first round numbers back from the dealership on building me a 2011 A20 to order.
with all the options i wanted (mild) it was 48Gs, after freight and rigging just under 50Gs a bit higher than i need. maybe they take crotch rockets and camaros in for trade too, not just the boat in the big picture, thats a killer price for a sick boat. no doubt. great market. just a bit high for me personally financially. not giving up though. i still have this winter of payments on the moomba. and come spring alot can change. im still gonna give it a go for sure. |
I mentioned before that I was told the pricing on the A20 is going to be where the A22 is now and the A22 is going up. Cory's post seems to be somewhat confirming that. What options were included in that Cory if you don't mind me asking?
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-tricked out gel blue w/black accents
-swivel drivers seat -carpet -stereo package 1 (head unit, 6 speakers, 1 amp) -PnP ballast -wedge -bimini -fixed board racks -boat cover -high alt. prop -pop up cleats -depth gauge -flip up drivers seat -single axle standard trailer -catalytic converters (forced after 12/31 $1650 ) |
A boat like that should come with tandem axle trailer
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we had all those options on ours except we have the upgraded tatami mat carpet, stereo package 2, the raptor 400 engine which is a $5000 upgrade, chillax seats, deck trac, tower mirror, and a tandem axle trailer and sticker was only 55k on it. So I definitely believe they are raising the price on the A22 and bringing the A20 in at the current A22 pricing.
I hope everything works out for you over the winter and into next spring and you can get the A20 Cory. I freaking love our A22 and from reading most of your posts/threads it seems like the A20 is the perfect boat for you. |
Man, I just have to choose either wb.com or wakeworld when reading Cory's posts. I hate reading the EXACT same posts over and over and over.
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AJ it was a $650 option to add the extra axle. i chose not too as it the same weight as my moomba thats on a single.
bruizza. he said there was a 4-6% increase in price this year. plus the additional $1650 for manditory cats. at the end of the last email he also mentioned they had a 2010 A22 instock for 48. 2k cheaper than the A20..... thanks for the encouragement man. Cory |
someone should post a picture of what wake in a A-20 with a couple thousand pounds in it looks like it when they get a chance!
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These are sticker prices right? Or is this what people are actually paying
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48k for those options if thats list price I think thats high to me. If they jack the price on the A22 it will defeat the entire purpose of the project and to me a huge disappointed. I think that A20 looks awesome but at 50k by the time you pay tax tag and title its not worth it. Just my opinion which means nothing but then again I am a consumer and have a wakeboat.
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dig the blue trailer. these boats always look like they are leaning way forward on the trailer. guess its just the boat?
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mark you have to remember every axis and malibu for 2011 when up 4-6% AND on top of the the now maditory $1650 cats. together thats a $4650 increase per boat for 2011 vs 2010
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If you wait until fall of 2011, you could probably save several thousands on the A20. But a fully loaded A20 with a cat. converter for 48K doesn't seem too out of line.
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What does a comparable vtx cost?
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Speaking of a 4650 increase in boat prices in 1 year...Ive asked before but Ill ask again, is anyone else alarmed at the rate of the increase in wakeboat pricing? I understand inflation, but from what I remember, a VLX cost low to mid 40s in the early 2000s, we got our 05 for low 50s, now they are well into the 60s maybe even 70k. thats a 50% increase in price in a decade or less. I dont think cars have seen that kind of jump, maybe Im wrong. Just seems that wakeboard boats are going up by thousands every year and are pricing themselves out of the market. What gives?
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Not out of line if that is list price find it funny that boats go up in price while most things I am seeing fall. So its not the cost of labor its not the cost of fiberglass but if you can get it raise the price. Capitalism!!! I own my own company and wish I could get a 6% increase every year on the products we sell. I would own a brand new A22 or BU VLX.
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Heres some pics of the A20 interior and a wake pic too. (From Great Wakes Boating in Lenoir City, Tn) Thought i'd put it out there so people had better view of it and see the layout. Its pretty similiar, there are some differences. It looks like there is a cooler hideout behind the drivers seat which in the A22 is open layout, this is closed. The seat in the back for loading/unloading is new too. Sub location changed to in the floor it looks like and the door opens up vs sideways. Not sure if this was changed on the A22 as well but ill follow up on that too.
Also a new video was posted for it as well http://www.vimeo.com/13991346 |
<quote>Sub location changed to in the floor it looks like and the door opens up vs sideways.</quote> This was also changed on the A22 for 2011.
I am not sure what I think about the new sub location. I can see a lot of stuff we store in that compartment rolling into the sub. Axis has really stepped up with the 2011's. They've really refined their already great design. |
Yeah, I wasn't sure on sub location there either, but then I remembered if we bought a new one we still would order without stereo and put our sub in the same spot we did with this one :D, its a different place but I can see stuff rolling into it too. We keep tools, spring floats, and towels in that area now. I would have to guess it hits harder and better in that location though. There wasn't much Axis could improve on because they got it dead right the first time. I don't mind the sideways door vs the opening up door. Im kinda indifferent on that. It would be nice, but either way is functional. Props to Axis though for continuing to improve on everything and listen to its customers on changes!
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Greg, I think I complained to Matt at least once or twice about the sideways door. We typically have the ChillAx seat up, and the sideways opening door would make contact with it prior to fully opening. I'll probably use the same location for our sub once we decide to install the stereo.
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What is in the box under the movable bench? That looks like the ideal place for a sub to me.
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that is an engine cover.
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Yeah, that was the only hinderance is having chilax up and trying to open that, we usually just put it back down and get what we need and pull up chilax again. Usually it is just us two in the boat so its not like its a necessity for us to have it up.
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I love that boat! looks sweet! is that seat in the back a rear facing seat? that pic of the wake is a great pic, that wake looks so nice, i wanna ride it today!
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The rear seat is rear facing or forward facing. You just pull it out so your passengers can watch rear or push it flush with the back for front facing. Skybox Slide Seating is the name of it.
http://www.axiswake.com/fos/#skyBox |
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What's not to like about the VTX? We have one, ride on a private lake and the wake is LEGIT! The only thing that would make the A20 better is if it came with a power wedge. The power wedge has to be one of the best innovations ever. You can just see the wake get bigger when it's adjusted properly. |
Jon, that box covers the v-drive (transmission), so no room for a sub there.
Greg, that's what we do too, it's a very minor thing. There's number of similar minor changes on the 2011's that really refinement the already great original. Another one of those changes that you can see in the photos you took is a slight redesign of the carpet near the Skybox. The carpet now extends all the way to the back of the boat making it easier to slide the Skybox, and reducing the chances of the movable seat catching the edge of the carpet. |
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yes! cant wait to order mine. although i would prefer the storage door to have remained side opening.
although i must say the floor space looks TINY in comarison to my 20-'6" 2003 mobius LSV :( gonna be hard to give up that much room.... |
Cory our A22 is one of the biggest boats on the inside I have ever been in. I think the A20 is going to be pretty damn big inside for a 20 footer.
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I am pretty sure the a20 will have as much space or more then the moomba LSV (I ride behind one frequently). Its wider and the windshield should be pushed forward adding more length to the cabin area. Then you have the huge bow.
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Cory, I'd be surprised if you'd be giving up any space between the A20 and the LSV. I know that when my A22 seemed huge when it was sitting next to an LSV on our lake, and if I recall correctly, the A20 interior is only 14" shorter and 2" narrower than the A22.
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the a20 has 2" narrower floor space than my 03 LSV
and significantly less front to back. (i have 48") trying to find number for A20 or even A22 to get exact difference... |
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I really don't think you'll notice it that much. We went from a VLX to a VTX and hardly notice it at all. Most of the room lost is in the bow. |
just got this from kevin at my local dealer, tried to copy/paste the material best i could.
For Immediate Release August 18, 2010 For more information concerning this news release contact research@axiswake.com AXIS INTRODUCES COMPACT A20 WAKE BOAT FOR 2011 Axis Wake Research wakeboard boat design meets performance and budget in a compact 20-foot package. (Loudon, TN) – Axis Wake Research is now bringing their brand’s focus of simplicity, style and performance to market in a new 20-foot package. The new 2011 Axis A20 is designed for riders and families with room for 11 and versatile wakes that can morph from mellow to pro-level. Maintaining the look of the Axis A22, the new A20 adheres to the core values of this uncomplicated boat brand with a small stature for towing and size restricted lakes. The A20 offers convenient size, usable design and stylin’ performance for a price that comes in under budget. Additional Links Axis A20 YouTube Video Axis A20 Flickr.com Gallery Axis A20 del.icio.us Bookmarks of Continuing Coverage RSS feed for Axis A20 del.icio.us Bookmarks The Size At 20 feet long from bow to stern the A20 is designed to be as convenient to tow and store, as it is fun to drive and ride. The A20 is the perfect solution for families who ride on boat length-restricted lakes, garage their boat or tow with a mid-sized vehicle. The goal for the A20 is to provide as much interior room and wake performance as a much larger wakeboard boat in a more manageable package. Thanks to A20 hull design and a rider-centric interior layout, Axis Wake Research has succeeded in their quest to create a 20-foot boat that does not compromise convenience, comfort or performance. The Wake The Axis Wake Research Team modeled this 20-foot boat after the A22 to kick-up pro caliber wakes. An un-weighted A20 has a very mellow and extremely stable wake, perfect for beginners and skiers. However, when you combine the standard Wakebox 800 Ballast System with the available Plug-N-Play ballast system and auto-set wedge, this wake will keep even pro riders amped. Being the only standard hard tank, sub-floor wake enhancement system available in the price-point class, the Wakebox is comprised of three hard ballast tanks mounted below the floor in both the rear and center of the boat, totaling 800 pounds. Opt for the Axis Plug N’ Play Ballast System and add up to 1300 pounds or more to your A20 in the form of custom designed Fly High sacks. The Plug N’ Play ballast fits nicely in the rear storage lockers and in the bow under the seat cushions, leaving room for storage in both areas. All locations can be filled and drained with switches on the dash. Looking for another 1000 pounds of displacement? Add the exclusive Axis Auto Set Wedge and you will bring your wake footprint to nearly 3100 pounds of displacement. All of this without compromising floor space and barely encroaching on your storage areas. The Interior The A20 has room for 11 with lounge seating covered in corrosion-resistant G&T Premium Grade 30 oz. Marine Vinyl. The under-seat storage can swallow all the gear and more. Under-seat storage lighting is available for function and chill factor in red, white or blue LED colors. The machined aluminum AXray kick panel offers enough visibility to keep track of your items along with an amazing look, especially when lit. The ballast-free rear storage area is unobstructed and offers an above engine storage bin to gently warm those chilly wakeboarding accessories like wet suits, rash guards and life vests. Seating is customizable for a variety of riding situations and there is plenty of room for all your friends and family. The rear seat is branded as SkyBox seating and gives passengers VIP treatment with a removable bench that can be positioned anywhere in the center of the lounge. Axis also designed the available ChillAX convertible walk-through seat to accommodate another wake sport spectator and provide a back rest for an additional passenger in the bow. Studded with stainless bead-blasted grab handles, available MTX speakers, textured vinyl, colored accents and a laser-cut Axis badge, the side panel is something you would expect to see in a much more expensive boat. The TriAX Bow is wide enough for a group not just a couple and its open lounge style is the ultimate in comfort. Even the transom has convenience and style built-in with a rider staging seat, tooled in. The Driver Experience The Helm of the A20 welcomes a driver and as many as four observers with comfortable seating. The oversized driver’s seat is equipped with dual density foam and the dash ergonomically designed for perfect driver control. At the dash, the Axis gauges include scrolling digital screens displaying everything from fuel to depth to cruise control functions. Three-stage rocker switches command nearly every boat system with ease. The standard power plant provides 335 horses of fuel-injected power. Axis offers the 400 horsepower Raptor engine for those riders that love to show some muscle. Both engines are available with a saltwater package. The A20 extends driver control with rack and pinion steering and a phenomenal ride, even in rough-water. The Look The A20’s gel coat accents introduce accents of color to a sharp hull and deck design. The A20 has a customizable look. Choose from three gel coat layouts, Straight-up, Flip-side and the available Tricked-out scheme. You can even opt for a completely solid boat available in 18 different colors and 3 metal flake gel coats. Looking to turn a few more heads on the water, pull the trigger on the Vandall Edition Package. Complete with a custom Vandall wrap this special edition A20 is set-up the same way Axis Pro Team Rider Randall “The Vandall” Harris configures his Axis. The aggressively styled bow finishes the tough look and adds another unique element to this price-point boat. The collapsible FatAX tower combines oversized 3-inch black powder coated aluminum tubing and billet aluminum bases for a one-of-kind rear sweeping wakeboard tower that is easy on the eyes. The FatAX tower is through-bolted to the deck with a backing plate for added strength. No corners cut, just pricing slashed. The Wingless MH Windshield accentuates the rugged simplicity of the A20 and allows the driver to dock easily without leaving the seat. The Guarantee All of this performance, accommodation and style is created with production practices and materials approved by the best selling water sports boat manufacturer in the world. Axis Wake Research is offering price-point segment-leading Limited Lifetime protection complete with a 3-year engine warranty including fuel and electrical systems and a 2-year bow to stern warranty, the second year covering parts only. Specifications Length: 20' Beam: 98" Draft: 27" Capacity: 11 persons Weight: 3200 lbs. Fuel Capacity: 48 gallons Std HP: 335 Max HP: 400 Std Prop: 13.5x16 Acme 537 Find your nearest Axis Wake Research dealer (http://axiswake.com/dealer) and head down to experience the 2011 A20 and A22 wakeboard boats in person. About Axis Wake Research: Axis Wake manufactures high performance, price point wakeboard boats with new levels of quality, performance, style and owner pride. Axis exploded onto the entry-level big wake boat market in 2009 with unparalleled pride of ownership. Carefully sourced components and materials, in-house fabrication, lean manufacturing, unique production processes and strategic sales and marketing, allow Axis to offer low cost wakeboard boats without compromising quality. Axis performance and customer satisfaction is unmatched in price-point market thanks to aggressive grassroots research and development. These efforts revolve around the specific needs and wants of core riders and families alike. Or as the team at Axis Wake Research likes to say and the Axis name implies “We’re centered on you.” |
no bow ballast?
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rear and center stock tanks. Bow ballast is part of the plug-n-play system.
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yeah, has rear hard tanks, and center ski locker hard tank.
bow sac and extra rear sacks are part of the optional PnP |
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