New Assault Weapons Ban Bill for 2013
 

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

Read the summary of the new bill, what do you like and dislike about it?

Stuff like this:

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

So tells us what you have, and we'll grab it later, what's wrong with that, Hitler did it.:banghead:
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and this:
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
So any semi auto rifle for the most part!:banghead:
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and this:
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
What's a bullet button?:confused:
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and this:
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Where are the stats on crimes committed with bayonets on rifles?:confused:

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

Read the summary of the new bill, what do you like and dislike about it?

Stuff like this:

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration


So tells us what you have, and we'll grab it later, what's wrong with that, Hitler did it.:banghead:
I'm kinda ok with in principle, not as written not if the same clown posse that ran Fast n Furious are in charge. This will only keep honest people honest though, so it fails to address the people problem.

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and this:
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
So any semi auto rifle for the most part!:banghead:
Too vague, wait till the whole thing is released to see what's really written.
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and this:
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
What's a bullet button?:confused:
Magazine release. Means you'll need a tool to release the magazine in an effort to stop rapid reloads. What will happen is that manufactures will come up with a means to implement a "tool" that does not violate the law. Think magnet, a "tool" that is held on with a magnet that releases the magazine, it would not be apart of the firearm.
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and this:
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Where are the stats on crimes committed with bayonets on rifles?:confused:[/QUOTE]
That's left over from AKs being scary.

This all fails to address the people problem.
By calling out various makes and models, seems to create a giant kickback area (payment to ensure your make and model are not on "the list")
Is knee jerk
Still keeps the scary looking test part in place

Love how Obama and Feinstein think they can wipe their ass with the constitution and the 2nd amendment. They make me want to puke.

Blame the gun or the rifle.Never blame the idiot that pulls the trigger.

I am registered as an unaffiliated voter, and for good reason, my thinking does not coincide with either party's views. I grew up in the country, know how to use weapons correctly, and am a sportsman. I have a problem with the way this is going down. This is simply not the way to fix this problem. It frustrates me, and is at times bewildering. Everyones up in a confusion about how we have to get things done yesterday about gun control, and its simply not how that subject should be approached and discussed. I refuse to watch the news anymore, its ridiculous, no one thinks for themselves anymore. The thumbhole stocks thing bewilders me. The media (not the "liberal agenda" not them darn "dems" not "fox and the repubs" just the media) is adding fuel to the fire where its not needed. Some really bad things have happened and that hurts me. But when bad things happen it doesnt mean we stop educating ourselves on why they may have happened, what to do about it, and its effects, to throw a quick fix patch on it to make everyone feel safer.

One of the biggest things that worrys me is that this is going to turn into a dems vs repubs bs thing again, in fact it already has. SO the dem people are for gun control, and the republicans are against it. Just like everything else now.

A leftist's point of view...

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/...-ill-tell-you/

"When our policy becomes based on emotional content rather than facts, we are heading in the wrong direction."
I tend to agree...

Joel. This debate is not the first and it has been the Dems vs Repubs for some time. That is part of the reason you have seen a shift to fly over country turning more Republican when it was Democrat before. Many on the left truly believe this issue alone cost Al Gore the oval office.

rather ridiculous.

Do some research bud. I tend to keep up on these things for some time and it cost Al Gore. Go so some progressive chat rooms and heat what they say about it. That is why most on the left has let the issue die because many on their side believe in guns too. With that it makes the political base in some cases stay home on election day. They would rather not vote than vote for the other party and it really energized the right who got out and made sure they voted. It has been a left vs right issue for some time. Just like the left owns killing babies, the right owns the gun issue.

"Magazine release. Means you'll need a tool to release the magazine in an effort to stop rapid reloads. What will happen is that manufactures will come up with a means to implement a "tool" that does not violate the law. Think magnet, a "tool" that is held on with a magnet that releases the magazine, it would not be apart of the firearm. "

Like this?

http://ar-magmagnet.com/c-325311-mag...et-button.html

All you need to say is that the NRA lobbyists have had a more focused influence on the GOP.

That's not how I read it... I think it is more in line with CA Senator Yee's bullet button ban which will make possession of any firearm with "features" illegal. Basically you have to stick with featureless builds or be in violation, unless the gun is grandfathered.

Less Guns Makes us Safer!!!

Pot meet Kettle

All the white people look alike. hah!

Check out Wyoming House Bill No. HB0104. Firearm Protection Act. "AN ACT relating to firearms; providing that any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state are unenforceable in Wyoming; providing a penalty; and for providing an effective date."

I have an intense fondness for the "providing a penalty" language.

God... I LOVE Wyoming...

I SO agree with that!
 

Absolutely Tim, this whole thing surrounding the CT shooting is ENTIRELY and SOLELY based on the public's knee-jerk reaction as an emotional response while EVERY incident of these shootings are tragic. And the media along with gun grabbing legislators in their usual disgusting form hypes it completely out of proportions by standing on the graves and blood of the victims. These (often hypocritical) legislators are following the EXACT SAME model that's been followed in other disarmed countries and cultures in the previous century; 56 million dead (conservatively counting) by democide doesn't lie. after they achieve that, there's no need for a chrystal ball to guess what's next.

President said to move without Congressional action tomorrow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rol-this-week/

How did all the guns help Reagan, DOH!

About as good as an assaults weapon ban will help prevent mass shootings. The perpetrator in the 1981 attempt on the President was found not guilty by reason of insanity... If I wasn't so hung up on the instrument perhaps I could make a link between many of these incidents that are not the traditional urban crime-related shootings. Hmm, insanity, lack of mental health services, um clearly it's guns...:banghead:

Which nicely ties into Reagan, who was instrumental in closing down mental institutes.It costs more to treat the mentally ill criminal, but it's much easier to house them in Penitentiaries,

All in the name of saving money, except were paying big time for it now.

How are we paying for it big time now?

We are paying for it in that it is much tougher to service the needs of the mentally ill. Society is suffering for the limitations in care. Years of underfunding for treatment and research have put us here. Ask anyone with a family member with a severe mental illness, treatment is not covered by insurance, services provided by local government is dilapidated and archaic (not to mention hamstrung by high gov't pensions) and hospitalization is basically no longer an option.

Looks like we get more info tomorrow. Hope to hear some rays of hope.

Transcript: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...712_story.html

EO: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...un-list/61075/



Might note that #18 was something I thought the anti-gun advocates scoffed at???

On the plus side, he is leaving it to Congress to determine if they reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. How does everyone fell about what was proposed/enacted today?

I personally think that leaving the ban to Congress is smart on his part. They will be even more hated regardless. I don't think they will pass it either. The actions he took today do not bother me and I'm a gun owner and have a carry permit.

Emperor Barry's beloved "Assault Weapon Ban" will fail. Let them try to pass it.

I think items 1-23 are great targets for reform which I think both sides of the argument can agree upon.

As a gun enthusiast I say this is a win.

I don't think Congress will pass the feinstine bill.

This will hurt mental health more than it will ever help. If someone or their dependent is having a rough time mentally but happens to have firearms, there is no way in hell they will set foot in a councilors office. They will just fight through it because of the ramifications. Talking about not being able to see further than your hand.....

Most all of the suits in Washington are just blowing hot air and stepping over the piles from their speeches.Nothing will change except for less jobs ,weaker dollar,more illegal aliens and a insurmountable national debt.

Wow... how true this is!!!