Supra's big announcement!
 

Looks like they're teasing a big announcement coming Nov 21! Saw this on Instagram today...

Gonna be a big day!! :D

whatever it is i gotta have it,
anyone want a SA Worlds?

A little surf system?

As long as it's not tagged as a "game changer", more power to 'em. There new models are indeed sharp.

Well it couldn't be that they will be powered by Ford. That cat is already out the bag. Looks like a new hull design or a surf system.

It's a surf system

I love the new SC. Bad a$$!!! Should be interesting.

I would put my money on a surf system too, but purely speculation.... They make the announcement on Thursday and then they will be in Portland at Evening with the Stars on Friday. Hopefully, they will have whatever that new release is there on Friday. That would be cool if we can be one of the first to see it. I am in the market for a new boat this year too!!!

I have seen it and it definitely cool. But my lips are sealed ;)

What is that event like? It looks interesting, but don't want to drive to Oregon City from Vancouver if it's not going to be worthwhile. Fill me in?

They better watch out Malibu is suing anyone who even says surf system!!! LOL

I'm sure their surf system will be Swell. :)

Trayson. Definitely worth it!!!
Leave early. Traffic is nasty. we typically do a little tailgate accross the street. Stop by and introduce yourself. My name is tyler.
Lots of cool stuff. Good prices on boats and gear. Lots of free giveaways..

They posted this on instagram the other day

whooaaa.... that is a big barrel!! Got word that we will see the new release in person on Friday....

My bad somebody posted that pic to the Supra facebook page not on Supra's instagram.

Holy, that's pretty legit

That barrel is MASSIVE!!

We are stoked here at slalom shop for what Supra is about to bring to the table for 2014.

wave looks short in that picture.

It is just a picture. No way to judge that yet. It looks a little washy but the barrel is pretty cool. I am excited to see what innovative system they have come up with.

washy? I'm not seeing washy

You're blind old man.jk. Look at the top of the wave starting near the prop and going back. It is impossible to tell what it is actually doing though.

Well if you ask me (and most people do), that wake looks great! Good to see someone besides MC making a killer surf boat!

As a previous Centurion owner, it looks okay. Not super impressive but better than most modified v hulls. If the wakeboard wake is equally impressive then it might be cool. I am not impressed but I am intrigued.

I am also not impressed and also intrigued. I am also bemused, speculative, and juxtapository. I am not amused, nor am I not not amused. Though the wake is impressive it's not super impressive which leaves me impressed but not super impressed. If the wakeboard wake is equally impressive then it might be, as a whole, more impressive, though at this point I am not impressed but I am intrigued.

Washy and short?...are we looking at the same picture or did I just misplace my simon cowell glasses? Anybody got a pair I can borrow?

Have you ridden behind an SA or SC yet? Two very impressive wakeboard wakes

Yeah not sure what some are seeing. Looks big, clean and impressive to me, but like all things, we need to see this in person. Pictures don't tell everything, but looks very impressive and have been hearing good things. There is no doubt the wakeboard wake on the SA and SC are very impressive.

Jet,

You have too much time on your hands. I did laugh pretty hard though. Thx.

I'm impressed, well I'm really not sure what I am now.

"And, while I'm amused by not being amused, and unimpressively bemused, I am also too sexy for my shirt." Right Said Jet.

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Maybe they went all reverse Tige on us and came out with a deep v hull. The only sc i have seen was never used for wakeboard. I swear the guy only took it out to party cove.

I guess we will see something tomorrow?

It is going to be legit. Can't wait for the annoucement!

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Are those not similar to MC surf tabs which they are apparently improving upon?

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This is the first time I have seen it too... My first thought was MC as well, but if you really look at it it is different. Look at how the ram is mounted to the plate. Coming from the opposite direction (back to the front). The normal wakeplate or trim tab the ram comes from front to back and only offers limited motion. Much more range of motion and can go all the way down. Like literally 90 degrees.... Also, for those that want to switch sides it offers that quickly.
From what I have heard it is much more effective and appears to be from pics and video. I suppose it is fair to say "improved upon" though.

You seem to be confused sir. Supras have traditionally had deep-V hulls (see 21v, 22v, 242). The SA and SC are part of a new generation of flatter bottom hulls for Supra, which allows them to be able to take crazy amounts of weight and get a huge, clean & consistent wake every time. They're much better for wakeboarding than the old deep-V hulls which would crumble with too much weight, as deep-V boats from most brands do

It definitely looks impressive. Hopefully MC's new/improved system does the same as I have one on order.

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That wave is really short (distance from transom to end of pocket).

Good on supra for doing something a little different.

Wave looks great, it can't be too short there are two people riding it at the same time. Congrats to Supra, this will drive up there stock with a nice surf system. It looks well built and I like how it engages from under platform similar to NSS.

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I'm relatively more impressed by this than I thought I would be. They thought outside the box to create a system that would not only throw a wave, but it has the adjust-ability to change the shape of the wave. Nicely done.

It is a nice innovation but it is in the same vein as surf gate and NSS as far as I can see. I am not a Malibu fan, but they were the first in this wave of tab enhancements and therefor they would be the game changer because of the first position.

I am glad that all the boat companies are on the surf bandwagon.

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I'm impressed it''s as ****ty as it is. That wave is total garbage. I'm equally impressed that someone would purchase a Mastercrap for surfing. Smart move.

Flat bottom boat = crappy/mushy/washy wave.

Your trolling adds nothing to this thread. Move along

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This is an entirely different concept physics wise than both of those systems. The only similarity is its a tab of some sort mounted to a ram. Malibu and nautique both delay wave convergence. This is much closer to the trim tabs Mc has been using for a few years. Just cut in a way that allows for different water flow at different angles.

What are the chances you can retro fit this into older Supras?

I think this system is all integrated into the new Vision system so I am not sure you can. I am sure the concept could be duplicated and maybe they will do a manual system you can upgrade to????

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The new video looks cool. I am interested to see how different this system is compared to what MasterCraft has quietly offered on the X-10. The system does look clean. I am guessing it had to be someone redesigned because of the Malibu Nautique battle.

I will agree and disagree with you. Yes, it is different physics wise. Yes, it is it is a refined trim tab. The Surf Gate is a tab that extends sideways and the NSS goes sideways excet the motion is directly out to the side.

Finally I agree that MC has used trim tabs on the sides similar to this before. This just reinforces my premise that it is not a game changer, just maybe a nice innovation.

just my .02 or maybe .01 worth

does this work on an opposite side deployment principle like the other systems??

It has two different modes: skim and barrel. It delays and shapes water in both modes

If does work with the opposite deployment but on the barrel setting it deploys the surf side tab down to 90* under the boat.

I can say after riding this sytem it realy is amazing and rides completely different than any of the other systems out there.

Does this system also work at wakeboard speeds? Why doesn't Centurion's CAT system get more respect? It is much different than the other systems and seems like the only one that can be used at wakeboard speeds.

It doesn't get respect because Centurion doesn't advertise their boats for wakeboarding, even though they throw great wakes. They're trying to corner the surf market, which is not a bad plan.

so.. who doensn't have a "surf system" now? MB? I imagine that moomba will get this same system sooner than later.

sanger and epic do the tabs dont they? depending if you consider that an actual "surf system"

I'm the only one who can make outlandish statements on this forum...

Well this new system is making waves.

Good info Trevor, so at skim it's more of a 45 degree angle?

I believe that the skim setting has the surf side tab at 0

im not the only pissed off owner of a 2013 supra

Wave looks pretty solid. It may not be a game changer in general but with the SA and the new SC I think this puts Supra right there with Mastercraft, malibu and nautique. I honestly the days of listing a boat for surfing are gone other than for the super hardcore surfing snobs. Seeing how those super hardcore surfing snobs probably make about about 1% of the potential buyers I think this is a good move by Supra. I think another thing these surf systems do is allow boats that have a flatter hull, that is better for all around wakeboarding, have a legitimate surf wave. The Malibu's, Nautique's and and now Supras.

I would 100% expect Skier's choice to add this as an option to the moomba line. There is absolutely no reason not to.

I am really liking what Skier's Choice is doing these days. They have great looking, very luxurious, well built boats that perform really well. If I was Skiers choice I would put every boat they make on a variation of the SA/SC hull including the Moombas. I would add a 20-21' SC/SA and a 23-24' SC/SA to the line. Drop the 24v/ssv and just have those 6 models. Then for moomba I would go with the Mojo and Mondo(please rename) and that is it. Again, those 2 boats should be on the same hull design as the SA/SC. At some point I may incorporate a true pickfork to the lineup as well. I still don't get why some manufacturers try and overthink/engineer the hull. Malibu figured out the best/first. Find a great performing hull and carry it over to every size and style of boat. That has to save costs on R&D costs.

I also have a 2013 Supra. Are we really going to be mad because our boat maker continues to push forward with new ideas ? Nope cant be if anything this should really help push Supra forward in my opinion. I'm glad to see they have a surf system and it looks like its going to be really solid system . Fact is my SA has great wakeboard wake and last time I checked I can still surf behind it . I'm pumped to be surfing behind the all black SC that will hopefully be running around Portland next summer .....

Shane, is Tyler getting a new SC?

I have no idea, but the new SC with the SWELL system is going to be a hard one to pass on those boats look awesome !

Did anybody else notice they didn't show video of the switch, only snapshots? Obviously doesn't switch very fast and tried to fool us. The wake does look better than any Supra I have seen but still not near a surfgate or NSS wave.

lol, yea trick you. I promise it switches plenty fast. There is another video out there that shows the switch, I will see if I can find it.

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This video has a shot of the transfer. The press release also quoted the transfer at 1.8 seconds

It all looks good to me. I figured it would be tabs. The wave looks good.

Like that video was any better? More quick video clips with tricky angles.

Austin, if (unlike Malibu) you can get the parts from Supra, these switches and brain box will most likely be compatible:

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Its part of marketing. The boat didnt look slammed in the video. It would be nice to see it with weight in it.

Seriously?? Denial much?

I hate supra boats, and even I can look through my brand blinders and see.........that is a respectable surf wake. No matter the "tricky angles".

Company has "pro surfer" come ride behind their boat. "Pro surfer" proclaims "OMG this thing is AMAZING" par for the course. Just waiting for the online unveil w/ ****ty production value. I'll believe what a "pro surfer" says about a brand when they get a half dozen of the top riders behind two or three of each manufacturers boats and leave anonymous, legitimate, unbiased opinions on the quality of the wave. So sick of the ball washing EVERY manufacturer gets from these hire "pro surfers".

These guys are in it for the free boat and a few bucks.

I wasn't all that impressed. Our boat is a SV23 hulled Malibu - not exactly known for the best surf wakes. Running no passengers, 750 locker, 500 under the port seat, 500 ski locker, 100lbs up front and 200lbs of lead on the rear port seat, I can get a wake that is fairly close to that without any surf-enhancing devices (other than the wedge, which doesn't add anything to the size of the wake and washes it out a bit but is needed for push). Add to that, our 'Bu is basically the same length but a far lighter boat running less ballast weight than that Supra.

FYI, I've liked the Supra boats I've sat in, though have never been on one in the water. No disrespect towards Supra but I'm not all that impressed. Wave doesn't look all that tall and the pocket isn't all that long. It's not that it is a bad wake, but when showing promo videos of your new surf system, I'd expect more.

Here's a video from pulling a rider who owns a Nautique just the other day and his opinions on Swell

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Swell with 3 people in it.

That wake looks much better than the other video. Either far better camera angles or a much better setup was used. Wake looks much longer and more useable.

We shall see....!!!! Meeting with them tonight. Active Watersports has their big Evening with the Stars tonight. Always an awesome event and they seem to work the best deals there. They will have factory folks (Shane) there as well......
Wish me luck... I want to check out the system, but all looking positive and heard great things from talking to a bunch of people.

Great videos you have posted..

That looks like a different wave! And it looks alot cleaner! Very nice!

You guys crack me up all the time. . . you sit here and talk about a picture and say things like, "Oh this wave looks like it has little pocket and push," really???? Until you ride behind it how can you make an assumption from a photo? Get real. I've seen soo many photos on here manipulated to make something look better than what it is. . . unless you have ridden it why even say anything??? Just speculation. You guys sit here and put down boats and wakes. . . like you know what is best? Why not get on the payroll since you know soo much about engineering waves to be better. . . . I just get so sick of people on here that talk about these boats and have not been behind them. . . it adds no value to the forum and makes you seem uneducated.

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That video did look better, The skim is a much nicer wave than the big swell.

x3 ..... with surfing it is all about the amount of push a wake has. My old boat was a fun good boat that had a pretty big wake, but the push was not their. With my new boat, I set the trim to make it mellow, but it has tons of push.

You cannot tell anything from the pictures excpet for potential.

meh, it's pretty easy to see how short the pocket is on the "barrel" wave, because it's curling over. Doesn't take a genius to see that.

They are also running pretty slow if that vid is correct... 10.6. It very well could stretch out and be longer if they go 12. So it's not as if all is lost.

That second vid of the skim wave definitely looks longer.

I was able to personally ride behind the SA with the "Swell" system on it before the release date.... HOLY S**T WHAT A BIG WAVE!!!! With that said I still won't call the "Swell" system a "game changer". One because it is the most overplayed word in the boating industry, but also because there are boats manufactures that should get the claim for leading the "surf" crazed technology (aka surf gate and nss). However, what Supra has done with their "Swell" system is unmatched in terms of what one can accomplish behind the boat with "stock weight". Having the ability to throw two different style of waves (both with unmatched push) is something that is revolutionary to our sport. Having a "skim" style wave that is super long and has great pushed is awesome for that super experienced rider that is looking to land tricks like "big spins" and push the level of riding! The "barrel wave" is undoubtedly the biggest surf wave I have rode and is unmatched in how tall and steep this wave is (it truly looks like you are dropping in on a vert ramp when coming down off the top of the lip). I encourage anyone that is not 100% sold on the idea of this "swell" system to ride it before critizing or making statements say it's a "game changer". Ride it first... then make your own opinions. My opinion is the "swell" system makes two of the best waves I have ever ridden... Props to Supra for the Swell System!

... Can't we just be happy that more boat manufactures are introducing devices, whether you like to list or not, to further enhance our hobby? Whenever I, or the people I ride with, are behind a boat there is just a pure appreciation for just the opportunity to be doing something most people have yet to experience and may never get the chance too. I applaud Supra for introducing Swell, even if there is not enough "push" for the keyboard warriors out there. Put me behind any Malibu, Nautique, Supra, Mastercraft, Centurion, Supreme, etc. and there will be a smile on my face.

Amen Mason.... Your post brings me back to the old WW days when everyone was stoked. Now ever thread turns into bickering about whose is better....
Keep it classy folks....

And for what it's worth, here a side-by-side shot with similar angles of Swell and Surfgate. I'm not sure on the weight set-up for the Supra or model/motor, but the 23LSV has the 350 with 2315 prop, 750s in the locker, 400 in the bow, @ 11 MPH.
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X100 always haters on this place. Its nice to see what all the brands are doing but the day something is released everyone has already made their very biased opinions and mainly bashing it. I mean come on PEEPS.