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iShredSAN 01-31-2014 8:21 AM

(4) Rev 10s, (2) Rev 410s, or Rev 3some?
 
I am about to upgrade my system to the Rev series. Wondering what everyone is running and thinks sounds the best. My options are either (4) Rev 10s, (2) Rev 410s, or (2) Rev 10s and a Rev 410 (3some). Keep in mind these are going on a 99 SAN (my boat/tower is not G series huge). Are these three setups about the same weight, etc? Post some pics of y'alls Rev setups if you have em. Just trying to get some good ideas flowing before I pull the trigger...

h20king 01-31-2014 8:26 AM

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If you have the room I vote for a set of 410's

Jmorlan 01-31-2014 8:33 AM

I have 4 rev10's, and I wish I would have went with something like the threesome, or 410's instead kind of. The 410 imo has a warmer midbass sound.
The rev10's are a bit rough on the ear at close distances I think


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bryce2320 01-31-2014 8:33 AM

The rev 10s may be a tad louder, but Tim told me that he could have slapped 4 rev 10s on the new demo boat and not spent any money designing clamps, that's how good the 410s are. I haven't heard a 410, but I went with the rev 3 some, because of the look, and have the best of both worlds

cowwboy 01-31-2014 8:50 AM

I run two 410's and I love the sound.

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DavidAnalog 01-31-2014 8:52 AM

The Rev410 has slightly more pod displacement than two Rev10s. The Rev410 tweeter diaghram is larger and can reach a bit deeper into the midrange, plus, the horn is larger and more progressive and there is less diffraction at the mouth of the horn. The Rev410 midbass drivers have 5%+ more surface area because the cones are continuous. The Rev410 midbass drivers are a bit better damped because the dust cap is sealed. Of all tower HLCDs, the Rev410 has the smoothest transition between midbass and tweeter drivers, and the best midbass. So in terms of sound quality the Rev410 is easily the best HLCD on the market today. One pair is as good as it gets. Obviously more is louder but never with the coherence of a single pair.
Two pair of Rev10s may give the perception of a tad more peak output (at a single frequency), but certainly not more average output.
There is an advantage to a 3-Some in that you can angle the two outside speakers wide for a broader array, wider off-axis dispersion, and less comb filtering effect.

brichter14 01-31-2014 10:04 AM

As far as fitting them on the tower i think you can do any and all of the options. I have a pro three some that looks like this.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/01/nu9e2a2e.jpg

brichter14 01-31-2014 10:07 AM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/01/ydygyjaz.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/01/ze4ageqa.jpg

The fct2 tower is super solid. If you have the fct1 that might have some flex because of weight. These speakers are pretty heavy.

corerider 01-31-2014 12:47 PM

I personally like the look of the Rev410s better on the FCT. They're a tight fit, but fill the tower once mounted. Mine are powered by a SYN4 and that is great sound, but if it ever goes out I will probably upgrade to an SD4 just to push them a bit more. With only 400x2 they just cruise like a Cadillac, but with 685x2 I'm pretty sure I would never look for more. Here are some crappy, but useful pics to help you get an idea for what they would look like on you tower. For reference mine is a 2003 SANTE.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...w/IMG_0360.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...w/IMG_0362.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...w/IMG_0363.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...w/IMG_0365.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...w/IMG_0366.jpg

brichter14 01-31-2014 2:43 PM

Jason your boat is too sexy.

Gotmods 01-31-2014 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1862829)
I have 4 rev10's, and I wish I would have went with something like the threesome, or 410's instead kind of. The 410 imo has a warmer midbass sound.
The rev10's are a bit rough on the ear at close distances I think


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Based on how many hours of use? Rhetorical question.

Jmorlan 01-31-2014 5:37 PM

(4) Rev 10s, (2) Rev 410s, or Rev 3some?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gotmods (Post 1862925)
Based on how many hours of use? Rhetorical question.


About 20. It doesn't take long to hear it and form an opinion.
I knew I liked the 410 sound better in about 30 seconds when I heard them in comparison at Acme.
But I liked the swivel feature on the rev10's and at the time was concerned with having a little more volume.
Now that I've had these out a few times. I think the 3some would have been the way to go.
Rhetorical answer.


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Jmorlan 01-31-2014 5:47 PM

Id be willing to trade someone a virtually brand new pair of white rev10's with swivel clamps.
For a new/great condition white 410


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Gotmods 01-31-2014 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmorlan (Post 1862929)
Id be willing to trade someone a virtually brand new pair of white rev10's with swivel clamps.
For a new/great condition white 410


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There's nothing virtual about it. They are new!

brett33 02-01-2014 7:40 AM

I know the OP has 4 pro60s currently.. Would you think 1 pair of rev10s would be a substantial difference from where he is now, as far as output and midbass on the tower? I know some people like Jason are powering their 410s with a syn4, but what about amping a rev 3 some?

bryce2320 02-01-2014 7:55 AM

I've got a rev 3 some that I'll be installing on my axis shortly, and I'm amping it with the SD6. 585 watts to each pod, should be plenty :D

DavidAnalog 02-01-2014 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brett33 (Post 1862972)
I know the OP has 4 pro60s currently.. Would you think 1 pair of rev10s would be a substantial difference from where he is now, as far as output and midbass on the tower? I know some people like Jason are powering their 410s with a syn4, but what about amping a rev 3 some?

Whether one pair or ten pair, as you add more speakers and power you add more output. But ten pair of 6.5-inch HLCDs (Pro60) won't play any deeper midbass than one pair. Any amount of Rev10s will play deeper, warmer and sound better. Also, one pair of Rev10s edge out two pair of Pro60s in surface area.

If a Wetsounds Syn4 works well bridged on a pair of Rev10s then a bridged Syn2 is ideal for a single Rev410....and you have very symmetrical power to each 10-inch driver. One set of JL Audio HD750/1s would power the 3-Some perfectly. You can also use Wetsounds SD amplifiers on a 3-Some although there will be some small level of power inequity.

markj 02-01-2014 9:22 AM

I went with 4 REV 10s on my SAN because I preferred the look of them over the 410s but I'm warming up to the 410s after seeing Jason's. The only thing I don't like about the 410s is they look a little bit like someone strapped a boom box to the tower.

Dmac420sj 02-01-2014 9:33 AM

1 750/1 for a 3some? That would be extremely underpowered unless I missing something here.

markj 02-01-2014 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmac420sj (Post 1862981)
1 750/1 for a 3some? That would be extremely underpowered unless I missing something here.

He said one set. Not just one.

DavidAnalog 02-01-2014 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmac420sj (Post 1862981)
1 750/1 for a 3some? That would be extremely underpowered unless I missing something here.

You did miss something. To quote, "One set...." of HD750/1s (equals two).
That would be 375 guaranteed watts (down to 20 Hz and not just at 1kHz.) to each 10-inch driver in a 3-Some.
Plus, being strictly regulated, the full rated power remains intact well below the safe battery operating level. That's automatically a 25% power increase with a 12.5 volt supply which is far more realistic than a 14.4 volt supply.

superair502 02-01-2014 9:51 AM

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410s with sd4... Must be heard to be believed.

DavidAnalog 02-01-2014 9:58 AM

One pair of Rev410s driven by an SD2. You've reached the pinnacle. There is no single pair, or even two pair, of tower product on the market today that can compete with that combo.

bryce2320 02-01-2014 9:59 AM

No distortion at 685 watts? I bet it is ridiculous!

ryanw209 02-01-2014 10:15 AM

David - wouldn't a pair of 410's powered by an SD4 be more powerful?

corerider 02-01-2014 2:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidAnalog (Post 1862986)
One pair of Rev410s driven by an SD2. You've reached the pinnacle. There is no single pair, or even two pair, of tower product on the market today that can compete with that combo.

So 1 set of Rev410s on an SD2 stereo @ 4 ohm is 400 x 2,
1 set of Rev 410s on an SD4 bridged mono @ 4 ohm is 685 x 2... (Ideal IMHO)

Did you mean 1 SD2 per Rev410 pod? 1250 x 1 @ 4ohm That would be ludicrous!!!

dezul 02-01-2014 3:02 PM

From real world experience, my boat was the only one in the tie up over the summer with Rev 10s, needless to say they were the loudest on the lake and it keeps people off of your boat. They are so loud no one wants to be standing on the swim deck. Other tie ups turn their heads when the music gets cranked.

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DavidAnalog 02-01-2014 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by corerider (Post 1863015)
So 1 set of Rev410s on an SD2 stereo @ 4 ohm is 400 x 2,
1 set of Rev 410s on an SD4 bridged mono @ 4 ohm is 685 x 2... (Ideal IMHO)

Did you mean 1 SD2 per Rev410 pod? 1250 x 1 @ 4ohm That would be ludicrous!!!

My typo. I meant the single bridged SD4 exactly like superair posted he was running.

Yes, 1250 watts per Rev410 would be excessive at 625 watts per each 10-inch driver. How many subwoofers with a 2-inch voice coil would you trust driven by 625 watts. I would never recommend that much power. On the other hand, personally I could safely run that much because I would benefit from the peak power without ever coming close to the continuous power.

cowwboy 02-02-2014 6:08 PM

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Here is mine, I have a arc ks300.2 per 410.
They sound amazing and the amps aren't running hard at all.
Right now there is a guy selling two 300.2's for pretty cheap on Ebay.

RAMZAK 04-11-2016 8:01 PM

I see these posts are 2+ years old. I am having the same question as the original OP. Does anyone have anything new to add to this conversation?

4 REV10's

or

2 REV410's

or

2 REV10's & 1 REV410(3-some)

This is for a 2016 Mojo with Aviator Tower

h20king 04-11-2016 9:06 PM

I have had a set of 410's and had four Rev 10's on our last boat. The 410's still get my vote after having each set up. With that said you will be happy with whatever you decide to go with.

DavidAnalog 04-12-2016 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMZAK (Post 1932822)
I see these posts are 2+ years old. I am having the same question as the original OP. Does anyone have anything new to add to this conversation?

4 REV10's

or

2 REV410's

or

2 REV10's & 1 REV410(3-some)

This is for a 2016 Mojo with Aviator Tower

Before you go too far you should determine which option actually fits your tower. That might automatically narrow it down.
Each option has some form of advantage over the others, which has been covered above. But you haven't stated which advantage is best suited for you or what your personal objectives are.
Maximum peak output and projection? 4 X Rev10.
Best SQ response? 2 X Rev410.
Widest, most even dispersion of sound? 1 X Rev410 + 2 x Rev10 (if you have the space to fan out the outer Rev10s).
The 3-Some is usually the least cost-efficient to power. And only a handful of amplifiers can correctly sum to the middle channel, versus simple bridging.

ChaseR720 04-12-2016 9:08 AM

One thing to keep in mind is size and mounting location. The Rev 10s can be spaced out (or mounted on vertical section of tower) to give some head room for us tall folks. The 410s need to be mounted in the center on a straight part of the tower. Just something to consider. I have the 410s and while I have nothing to compare them too, they are LOUD.

Midnightv10 04-12-2016 10:19 AM

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Rev 410's powered by an SD4 FTW!!

iShredSAN 04-12-2016 11:08 AM

Holy thread resurrection! In case you were wondering what I ended up going with, I decided on two Rev 10s powered by a Syn 4. I planned on trying this out and deciding if i wanted to add two more or a 410. Needless to say the two Revs are still on there to this day and they are extremely loud. I can hear them just fine riding at 75' back. I do think 4 revs (or 2 410s) looks awesome but as many have said they are not a must.

As a buddy once told me (nauti210 :D), speed costs money, how fast do you want to go (translated into boat speakers of course)

XSpaceWrangler 04-15-2016 11:00 AM

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/...ads/image.jpeg
4 Rev 10s look great on the aviator tower

dusty2221 04-15-2016 11:48 AM

That's the S Bend tower

XSpaceWrangler 04-15-2016 12:02 PM

It is the S bend. I had them mixed up. Thanks.


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