New mondo or a22?
 

Looking at maybe trading my Rzr and jet ski in on a new boat. Will be buying the boat to wakeboard and surf. Also pull tube etc. Which is the better boat for the money?


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You should totally go for a moomba..best bang for the buck!

drive and ride both.

If you cannot, for whatever reason and are still going to drop $50K on a boat you haven't demo'd, then go with the Axis. Wakeboard and wakesurf wakes are proven, solid, amazing. The mondo may be great, but it has not been put to the test yet. The A22 hull (and little brother A20 hull) are tried and true.

I am subscribed to hear the thoughts on both of these. Couldn't make a greater comparison. These would be two of the the most bang for you buck boats if the Moomba wake is as legit as the Axis'.

Bang=for your buck

^yup.

Surfgate... +1 A22

My vote is the 2014 A22....but that is what I have. I haven't heard any reviews on the Mondo surf wave yet. My opinion from what I have witnessed, the Mondo will have better fit and finish. It seems like Moomba stepped it up with the Mondo.

I think the A22 is more versitile. The wedge allows for more versitile wake for wakeboarding. You can slam the boat with the wedge up and it produces a nice rampy wake then drop the wedge and it adds a lip to the wake. Plus you get the benefits of surfgate if you get the 2014.

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2014 A22. None better....I'm alittle bias

X2 on the A22 :D
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Good looking boats ^^^


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Does the a22 come with done type if perfect pass/cruise control? For $50k+ is hope it would


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You can buy my used a22!!

I'm a little confused by why you're not comparing the A22 to the Mojo as they're more comparable in size. Having ridden behind the Mondo though, I can tell you the wakeboard wake is great with some weight. The surf wake is what really shines though, its excellent. Obviously, these factors are slightly improved on the big brother (Mojo), but like others have said you should demo and test the wakes yourself. If it were me, I would give the edge to the Mondo just because of the interior fit and finish. Being a similar price, Moomba is leagues ahead of Axis in this department.

Cruise control is standard on an A22. I am with the guys who say drive and ride behind both. Something else to consider when ordering new. What is your dealer relationship like? We have decided to upgrade boats and that is one of our main concerns. Who will do the little warranty issues that always come up on new boats? Will your dealer take care of you if you are having problems? Does your dealer call you back in a timely manner? Do the mechanics know what they are doing? We have weighed out all the pros and cons of new boats (price being a big factor) and decided on ordering a 2014 Axis A22. For an all around boat we are very happy with the Axis versatility. We are coming from an older tige and I would have loved to stay with tige but there were to many cons that I couldn't outweigh the pros. Good Luck on the decision

The dealer will be Denney marine in Albany ky if I go with the moomba. They are top notch. I know them we'll. May ride behind the mondo and the mojo!


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Mondo over the A20
A22 over Mondo
Mojo over A22

Moomba has really stepped up their game with the Mojo and Mondo they are both very deep boats. Metal Flake, fiberglass floor, better vinyl, surf platform are just a few that I have noticed.

We are in the process getting our Moomba LSV ready for sale this winter thru a local dealer and will be ordering a 2014 Mondo once the wife gives her blessing.

The price for the Mondo should be about $6500 less than an similar equipped A22 from my experience. We priced out the A22 and A20 for 2013 last December and the Mondo in September.

The Mojo wakeboard wake isn't even close to the A22. If wakeboarding is your thing you'll be disappointed with the Mojo. Mojo is a surfing machine, so I've heard if that's what you want. Good luck. Prices are very comparable depending on ur dealership.

Whatever you decide on, I want a pull behind it :) You might consider an MB as well. Hit me up if you want to demo one. I have a good friend with a 23 TWB.

I owned 2 A22's, and I was thrilled with them. Now that they offer SG on the A22, I may buy another.

We can do it lol. I like the tomcat a lot but don't know any dealers


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I have to disagree here. The axis without extra weight is tiny where I found the mojo with stack bags the be quite an enjoyable wake. Now, if you're running 5000 pounds that's where th Axis will shine because it will stay clean with that much weight, but for most riders I would say the mojo is the better option. As far as surf wake goes, it's not even close

Have you ridden behind a Mojo Rance?

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Not sure I received it Adam?


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Just demo both and tell us what you think. I've not been in a Mondo yet, so I can't comment. I just know that the Axis wake is awesome at a variety of weight setups. It does not require 5k in ballast to be awesome.

I have to agree. I tend to pull some beginners a couple of times during the summer. The Axis A22 with no weight in it puts out a bass boat size wake that is easy for beginners to learn to cross over. Filp some switches and drop the wedge to make the wake grow. I love the increased diameter ballast hoses and higher flow pumps. The ballast fill quickly. The plug n play is also a nice feature.

Not sure what axis you've ridden in, but the wake stays clean slammed or not, slow or fast. One of the most consistent wakes on the market. You don't have to run 5000lbs. If you want to run heavy you are going to get one hell of a wake though.

This is one of the biggest reasons we decided on the A22. We have a 7 and 9 year old and I pull them around 16 mph. The axis wake was very manageable and clean for them and my wife. As soon as their done I can flip the switch, fill the ballast and have a kick a$$ wake.

Time41,

Yes I have. Have you surfed behind an A22 with SurfGate?

No I haven't. Not sure if that would help or hurt the surf wake. Either way, my intention wasn't to downplay the axis wakeboard wake. It's fantastic and it probably is more versatile than the mojo. I simply meant that the Mojo has a much bigger stock wake and it's certainly not a disappointment for those of us that primarily wakeboard

The stock wake from Axis is perfect for me. I doubt the Mondo is bigger than the stock Axis wake. The Axis gets crazy when weight is added. I put 900lbs in the nose and 800 lbs in the rear with wedge down and it was awesome. Once my buddy that had a 2010 and a 2012 Axis rode behind one with extra weight, he was hooked. He has since added the pnp to his.

Honestly, I looked up the Mondo today and was not impressed. The interior looks a lot like my 2014 Axis. Some of the fiberglass is laid out differently but that is the main difference. Axis upgraded the vinyl so now it is good quality, just less stiching that the premium boats. Surf Gate was the selling point for me.

Really?

2014 Axis interior on the left, image pulled from WW
2014 Mondo interior on the right, image pulled from WW

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You've been given some great advice about taking a ride in both, having a level of comfort with the dealer and buying what you like best.

Now I'm torn between the mondo, mojo, and mb f21 and b52


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I think your pictures lack some detail. Show the sundeck comparison. I can take some pictures of mine when I pick it up from Winterization on Friday.

The first thing that is noticable is the space. The Axis is wider. You also post the best Mondo vs a plane Axis. Get a pic of the Vandell edition and compare.

Sorry, I am not impressed. It isnt the Supra, Malibu, Mastercraft, Natique quality you are playing it out to be.

2014 a22 vandall edition,, not a big change in interior. not sure why you would compare a 22ft vs a 20 ft Wakeboat..

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Because the price is very close on the two


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It is very hard to compare the two cause they are in different categories. You would be better off comparing the A20 vs. Mondo and the A22 vs. Mojo.

Think about what you are wanting in seating capacity also.

A20 = 11 people
Mondo = 13 people
A22 = 15 people
Mojo = 16 people

No, it's not Supra/Malibu quality. It's not supposed to be. It is, however, a very nice interior for the money. It doesn't take much to be better than Axis interior though, they have see-through pieces of plastic as seat bases for god sake

I guess I have a special Axis A22 cause mine does not have see-through pieces of plastic as seat bases. My seat bases are black HDPE.

HDPE is a form of plastic that's commonly used in the production of plastic bottles... And yes, your seat bases have holes in them

A22 interior

:rolleyes:

I guess I am confused because my previous boat (Centurion, great boat btw) had the same type of seat bases with holes in it. The holes are allowed to drain water that gets in the seat and allow for air to flow out of the seat when it is sat on. I don't see an issue with it. The HDPE is rigid enough and seems like the standard material used as the base for seat cushions.

Well Tim, I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on this subject. I propose a truce in order to set this thread back on track

I agree the Mondo interior is nicely done and boat looks good overall. Better than an Axis (your opinion). If your comparing wakeboard wakes your kidding yourself. When's the last wakeboard event pulled with a Mojo or Mondo? Weight them both as you would ride them and compare. I don't want to hear about stock wake because that's up for debate too and no one rides stock.

Btw I've been in a Mondo and you go ahead and try to get 13 people in there if you want to. They better be 4th graders.

Any of these boats are that way...if you fill them to the capacity with full size adults, you better be friendly!!

and now we have some new players for the OP

^^^^agreed. MB is a great option B52 or F22

Axis A22 seat bases that you see in these pictures with the cutouts are CNC cut billet aluminum powder coated to match the tower. They are not plastic, they are not composite. No, JetRanger, there is no plywood in the A22 either.

Good lord.

Yes, the A22 interior is somewhat utilitarian. Well, that's something I liked, because if you need a new seat or a repair made, it's not going to cost you a billion dollars. I accidentially punctured a seat in the Mgrain textured vinyl of my lsv, and it was a nightmare getting it fixed, and it was not cheap. The A22 vinyl is much like the vinyl that I had on my 3 SANTE 230's, which is super easy to repair and replace if necessary. All these super complex interiors are aesthetically pleasing, but if you mess them up, cha ching!

Again, go demo all of these boats. Factor in resale, dealer network, warranty, price, performance and value. Buy what works best for you.

Here are a few pics of my old vandall. I thought it was plenty nice.

i was looking at mojo vs a22. i went a22 and couldnt be happier. i load 5000lbs just for surfing and the boat works like a champ. i am 400 lbs and surf this wave. tons of push. my friends that wakeboard love the wake. you cant beat a boat that was disigned by boarders for boarders. yes the interior might be a little basic but the boat is ment for riders not dropping anchor trying to look cool in party cove cause you have a wakeboard boat.

This is really something you need to decide for yourself. Go out and demo and hang out in the boats. They are both built by reputable manufacturers and good boats. They are both supposed to be the no frills boats compared to the higher end ones. I don't have a dog in the fight but my opinions from the outside...
Interior - Moomba absolutely blows the Axis away. I wish Axis would follow the suit of the Malibu and put a nice interior in their boats. They just look cheap. I know the goal is to make them look cheaper to upsell to a Malibu, but it would not take much to really spruce that up. I think MB and Moomba win here...
Wake - I have heard they both have awesome wakes and waves and you can't go wrong.
Dealer - Have you considered which dealer in town you would rather form a relationship with? This is a big part of boat ownership.

Again, go and demo and hang out in them. You will not get any real feedback on this thread. Just opinions and people sticking up for their boat purchase....

your getting a lot more structurally built boat with a Mondo then a Axis! Axis focus more on looks which not always the way too go!

Um, what? How, exactly, is a Mondo a "more structurally built boat"?

Ahhhh I wanted that boat so bad!

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You guys are seriously ****ing crazy. Talk about splitting hairs. This thread is a joke

OP, go demo boats and make your own decision.

Man WW has taken a Freaking nose dive in the last year.

Been on the Mojo and the Mb 52'
For a no hastle plug and play boat would be the Mb 52. Huge Comp Style surf wake that is incredible on both sides. also wake seemed solid as bodies played musical chairs. ,,Other boats seem to be picky as weight is moved around th boat. The Mb has a SUPER FAST balast fill.
On a long term investment and instant gratification on a hassle free push button wake balast system. My only choice would be the MB 52'

Moomba xlv boat owner

What migs said....

Some real nuttryderz in here huh!

I took a surf set and a wakeboard set behind the new Mondo yesterday. I will admit with a factory ballast it could use a little help on the surf wake. But changing out a ballast bag shouldn't be where the discussion should end.

Overall the boat drove very smoothly and felt very solid. It had very little rattle and shake, especially compared to previous model moombas that i have been on. It rolled a little bit more when turning than my 210, but nothing too dramatic. Overall i was impressed, and for a boat in the 50s its amazing!

HAHA wow!! Now I'm embarrassed because I just laughed out loud in a public place and no one knows why. :D

I'd say you don't understand Axis at all.

I'm leaning towards a mb


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Random post of the day ^

I think a tandem axle trailer would help that moomba be a bit more structurally sound going down tbe freeway at 75 mph. No way would I ever have a single axle trailer for for a boat that weighs that much.

This is the best thing I've seen all day

I'm appalled by MB's transparent subliminal social media campaign.

MB is like that sea lion, sneaking in and stealing the trophy.

That was awesome!

I didnt mean to make an arguement about it. It was fun though.

There is a lot to be said about the Axis wake when my buddy trades his 2012 Moomba LSV in for a 2013 A22. He didnt like the wake on his boat after riding the stock A22. He has since rode a semi weighted A22 and that made him decide to purchase his A22. The wake is second to none for the price. It grows to a stupid size with weight.

Mastercraft x-star (MY04-12) would like you to open mouth and insert foot.

I own a Mojo and we surf allot and wake board very little anymore(knees/back)

... Id opt for the MB on our next boat as the surf is bad ass. I like the lay out of the MB.

Strong work.

Must not know bro! but I know that ive been in the boat business for 7 years now. and have seen the market BOOM! And you might be all hyped on your axis experience. Malibu just tried too copy skiers choice Moomba line.. Moomba has been in the inboard world for a every long time.

How exactly is the axis a copy of the moomba line?

Mr Bird has already eaten too much candy.....lol

^^^^this!

Price point possibly?

I am not speaking for J_bird, cause I don't know him.
Reading his post, he says "malibu just tried to copy skiers choice moomba line". I think he is trying to say that Malibu is copying in terms of producing a budget line boat under the same umbrella. I doubt he is saying they copied Moomba. If he is, I don't agree with him either, but I think he is just stating the fact that Malibu introduced a budget line (Axis) like Skiers Choice did (Moomba).

Woops

Up until the last couple years I more associated the axis competing with supra price and quality wise. Moomba's always seemed a lower quality to me, though I haven't been in their new models like the mojo

CJH1669 , yeah I think that is a thing of the past. The newer models are nicely appointed. I really think the interiors in the Moomba's are light years above the Axis now. I would say the present day Axis interior is comparable to the 2005 era moomba interiors.... Again totally my opinion and we know Malibu builds a great boat in Axis and great wake. They do it on purpose to not compete with their own higher end brand..

disclaimer..... I don't own either

Yeah I agree 100% on the current interior, though i can't make a statement on the current moombas. There isn't' a dealer around for at least 100 miles, so I don't see many. The one thing I always disliked about the moomba was it's really shallow cockpit.
The big thing I've always disliked about the axis was it's interior. Outside of that it's a great boat. Hard to beat price wise for it's performance. I think there are other boats that give you more bling for your buck at that price point, ie MB, moomba ect, but neither of those boats hold a candle to it wake wise.

THis thread is great... and this post made me actually check someone's profile, which I almost never do, to see if MB was starting up again with their "lets infuse ourselves into every thread" game again. But it looks like Brewkettle is a legit WW'er and not a MB troll.

With that said, your post is almost completely full of hope and dreams. No hassle plug and play? MB? what boat are you in. Their plug n play requires a whole auxillary ballast system with pumps and switches. Stock ballast system is great, but you cannot pnp that one. MB's wake is pretty sensitive side to side compared to most boats, especially compared to Axis, since this is an Axis / Moomba thread. Have not been in the new moombas, but the old supras and moombas were very sensitive side to side, but the new SA is not... hopefully moomba's hull follows suit with Supra.

"no hassle plug n play" win goes to axis, and with Surfgate available on 2014's, there really is no comparison to the moomba and axis as far a wakeboard wake and surf wave adjustability (surfgate, wedge, full ballast system plug n play with 1" I.D. hoses and pumps).

Side note, got to ride the Liquid Force Bro-boat A24..... full ballast, 750's rear, pnp front under seat bow bags, and a sumo 800 floor sack. No wedge, 23.5, 78-80'.... incredible wake. Had the LS3 motor, 2419 prop, and it could have taken a lot more weight.

^^^ right on the money digs.. wow it looks like we have a lot of axis fans out there. sad sad day

it's the best wake by far out of all the price point boats, it isn't even close. In fact there are only a handful of boats out there, period, that have as good or a better wakeboard wake than the axis. They did a great job desiging the hull of that boat. May not have the interior of the other price point boats, but is by far a better a better wake machine.

Chris, have you rode behind an MB? Not saying you are wrong, just curious. I've not had the pleasure to get behind an Axis yet.

Oh yeah, B52. My friend that had a 2010 axis bought a 2012 MB. Wake wasn't even close. Really nice boat, but doesn't come close to the axis wakeboard wake. Didn't like either of their surf wakes, but I know if you put some bags in the MB it can throw a really good surf wake. Never ridden an A22 with surf gate so that might help it's surf wake. I've heard nothing but great things about the A24 wakebord and surf wake. MBs are probably the best for the money all around if you want nicer interior ect, but the axis is a much better wake machine.

Vinyl quality wise I think we are splitting hairs here. 13 for Axis had a much much higher quality than the previous years . The previous years though I would put well below any current day Moomba in its price range. Axis in past 2 years has really turned their interiors around quality wise with materials. I still think the new line of Moombas give you a bit more of refined look inside the boat with molded seat bases and little less plastic to fill in gaps. They also have some nice thought out rider extras. The Axis follows te Malibu line of interiors. Roomy , simple, comfortable. It also follows their 3 piece construction of seat bases.

What I don't like about the new LSV and what seems to have been said about someone who drove a Mondo is that the boat really lists and leans awkwardly when loaded up with weight. It's hard to describe. You initiate your turn around around and it starts flat , then somewhere mid turn it's like it hooks up on edge ( for lake of better term) and u get a quick little jar/ list over to the side. It catches you by surprise if you not used to it. I didn't like it at all. Sounds like it may have transferred to the Mondo as well. These new Moomba boats have really taken them to te next level. Quite honestly I really don't think there are budget/baseline boats anymore except maye an outback v or and LSV. They are al higher quality these days than some of the flagships just a few years ago. Wakes are better, room is more, and features along with comfort are priority.

Axis has come a long way IMO as well. Their first models up to 11 if you ask me were really bordering budget. Their foam, vinyl, and feel really were toward the bottom. Now ........I would stack them against anyone in performance and quality. When a boat of that caliber is even in discussions with top 3 boats, serious discussions it says a ton.

Either way this whole idea of budget/ crap boats like the days of old is no more. Everyone is making a quality product. It just comes down to how much bling and how many gadgets run by computers you want to pay for.

Swatguy is right about that.... Crazy that we even use the word "budget" "pricepoint" with these boats anymore. I remember when $30K was the "budget" "pricepoint" and that was not long ago. Now $60K is budget.... The average MSRP is now at the $100k mark. Nuts!!!!

Right. 60 k now is budget. Crazy

Isn't the newer moomba LSV on the same exact hull as the 2006- lsv? I could be wrong but isn't the Mondo on a completely different running surface more similar to the Mojo?

The hard thing about comparing the "quality" of 2 boats is that "quality" can mean different things to different people. For some it might be more about reliability(long lasting, can stand up to abuse, etc) while for others it might have to do with fit/finish or plushness/luxury.

Looking at the pictures of the 2 interiors side by side, I would say the moomba interior definitely looks nicer or more luxurious. Sitting in the boat would could obviously change some of this but the Moomba interior definitely looks fancier. That said there is no way I can say which one has the more reliable by looking at them in pictures for sure but it might also be hard to judge reliability, initially at least, sitting in the boats.

If you are comparing the same year moomba and axis I think the Moomba has always had a slightly nicer or more luxurious interior than the Axis but I don't think it is that much different. Again, I have no idea idea which has a higher quality interior from a long lasting/reliability though.

As for wake I got nothing. Never been in either. Hard to argue with the massive amounts of positive feedback on the Axis but the Moomba has only been out for a few months so we don't really have much if any feedback. I am sure either would be more than sufficient for 95% of potential buyers. For the wake/wave snobsI don't mean this in a bad way really) of wakeworld that may not be the case.

As for the MB I think it definitely has it's positives and negatives. I really like the 21' and 23' MBs for a lot of reasons like the deep V for rough water ride, wakeboard wake with minimul ballast and surf wave potential. I also like the ballast system and even though you can't do plug and play that isn't a big deal to me. there is very little difference in adding a plumbed in ballast system after then fact and a factory system. In both someone, at some point, had to drill holes in the hull, add pumps, switches, wiring and hoses. Hell, a custom designed and installed ballast system might be better than the factory. You can't really argue that it costs more to add bags to an MB but what the hell is $1500 when you have already dropped 65k? I really like the simple yet luxurious look of the boat. I also like the storage. The things I don't like about the MB though are the looks of the tower(Really like the swivel racks and how easy it is to lower with out it falling down), the shallow interior and I think the seats are uncomfotable. I am not a huge fan of the wavy look to the interior(hard to explain and most might not understand what I mean by this). For some the boat not being able to make a clean wake at low speeds is a negative as well.

Dealer here has two axis's. Both are around 68-69k. I could pick up a mondo for around 53-55. Mb for around 58-62.


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The LSV is allegedly on the same hull, but with the new top deck and extended gunwales it drives and handles completely different. You get a ton of bow rise and propose with the newer LSV than the old from my experience of putting a 13 to test for a day. I had very high hopes but it didn't wow me like I thought it should seeing as how the older one was such a solid performer.

Is that price for the 2014 Axis A22? If so, I am sure that number is high and they can work with you on getting it closer to the MB price.

As for the quality of vinyl, I agree with xstar on this one. The quality of the '12 - '14's is much improved over the previous models. I would be scared to let my dogs on the boat in fear of the vinyl getting ripped in the previous model. My 2014 A22 vinyl has the feel of being very durable. Only time will tell if it is.

They are 2014's


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That price should be close if it's loaded with 330hp IMO

^^^^but as you know Bryce it better be VERY loaded for that price.

^^^ you nailed it diggs. sorry for the confusion chris. There's a lot of axis fans out there I see.. that's great! Either way if you pick a Moomba or Axis at least your still getting out on the water and having fun. which is the main reason for buying these boats. so good luck on your decision im sure you'll be happy with whatever boat model you pick!