This is where we differ. You live in socal, I live in louisiana. It's pretty safe to say we basically live on different planets. I could write you a whole paragraph on how and why having pass-through income taxed at no more than 25% will be good for our economy and why it would "trickle down" but you'd refute it anyways. I'm sorry your state taxes you so much. Must be nice to live in california though.

California is ranked 46 of the 50 states in terms of getting funding from the fed vs. paying taxes to the fed, you couldn't be more wrong about them paying their fair share. New York is 36.


https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/
https://mises.org/blog/which-states-...deral-spending
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...takers/361668/

The only way that California and New York could "Pay their fair share" is if they paid less.
Louisiana however would have to pay 325% more to the federal government to "Pay their fair share" They being the 4th largest welfare state per capita.

Stop watching Fox and you might learn something.

Things going well at the EPA. Except the airs a bit clean for the kids. Beautiful coal plants should fix that right up.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...ory-boards?amp

http://www.newsweek.com/tax-cuts-rep...s-trump-701094

LOL house republicans claim $450,000/year is "middle class" when it's actually the top 0.5%

The "fact sheet" is worth a look. I love how they use "death tax" and conveniently leave out how it only applies to $5 million and more.

Thanks!
It shows how complicated "tax reform" is. So many differences state to state, benefits, income level, state/local/property taxes....
As nice at it would be (like Ryan showed his postcard) the overwhelming majority cant file their taxes on a postcard.
To say that this tax plan (Tax Cut and Jobs Act, even though there is zero mention of jobs in it) Streamlines higher education benefits is comical. The bill eliminates writing off Student loans WTF.
"Provides immediate relief of the death tax", The death tax is a tax on estates that are over $5 million. So, again this is tax reduction specifically for the rich. Unless $5 Mill estates are now middle class.
Reducing corporate taxes 15% saying its the only way they can compete is pure BS. We are 9 years into a bull market, corporations are making legendary profits, the stock market at ALL TIME highs, Income at the top is already at all time highs too. Where is the NEED for reducing corporate taxes?
They propose to RAISE taxes on the poorest. Current rate is 10%, going to 12%. Raising taxes on the poor and reducing on the richest in the country...way to go Republicans!! 2% doesn't seem like a lot
The fact that the people we put in office have the balls to F the people they represent is reprehensible. If you voted to drain the swamp, help middle America....you are not getting what you voted for. You cant put lipstick on this pig with a straight face.

Republicans don't see any trickle down effect from getting an education.

:)

The Tax plan also takes away the adoption tax credit.
You will no longer be able to deduct from your taxes the costs of adopting a kid out of the system so the government no longer has to pay to feed the kid.
That tax credit is a win for everyone, the parents, the kids, and the government but we can't have that because...

Hell I can't even think of a single reason to get rid of it other than they are vindictive bastards.

Kills the income tax waiver for PhD student teachers too. Ridiculous. Now only trust fund kids like Trump would be able to afford advanced education. And we wonder why our STEM dominance has been lost.

It gets more political. House plan allows 529 savings plans for "child in utero". Religious right delights.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/03/pf/c...529/index.html

Why name Steph Curry?
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/11/02/st...e-gop-tax-plan

Has anyone else seen the Tom Steyer Impeach commercials? totally worth the $10M lol.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...107-story.html

Carter Page trump Foreign Policy adviser admits to meeting with Russians. Is that 7?8?9? Trumpers confirmed that have now admitted it?
Drain the swamp time. Trumps Commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, in biz with Putins son in law. . Thank God the country has Trump to drain the swamp and save us all.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/07/medi...bes/index.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/wilbu...retary-2017-11

More fun reading on how those tax cuts will trickle down.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/o...cuts-jobs.html

did you guys see this?

Seth rich conspiracy true

hillary and Obama knew about it

http://www.newsweek.com/donna-brazil...spiracy-702838

https://preview.ibb.co/iYyXxb/Screen...9_40_04_PM.png

Did you post the wrong link, that doesn't say the Seth Rich conspiracy was proved?

White Pride returns XD

Except the 3rd paragraph....where it says "Fox news published a since debunked story".

Changed my mind about the tax reform. I like the cleaning up of the brackets but seems like the implementation is more just to transfer wealth from the bottom to the top rather than increase the efficiency of the system

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Tax brackets are the simplest aspect of the tax code. There is nothing complicated or inefficient about brackets. They don't need "cleaning up".

what gets lost in all of this tax talk is that not everyone that has a corporation is rich.

sometimes that "in between guy" falls victim to both sides of the code

I haven't examined the proposal. I probably won't.

I pay lots of money for an accountant and tax attorney to keep me and my entities in compliance

perhaps if the code were less complicated, I could save some money on professional fees

I personally wouldn't mind paying more in taxes if I knew that that money was being used responsibly

It's very frustrating to see and hear about all of the government waste.....

Yes that's true, I thought the reduction of the number of brackets was an indication that the whole system was becoming more streamlined but really it isn't

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politi...sia/index.html

Putin says he didn't do it. Good enough for Trump! XD

Time to stop blaming the russians for everything the joke is getting old man.

Speaking of Crazy Anti Trump snowflakes. What do you LibTard DeamondRats think of Tom Steyer

You Conservatives are a hoot. Getting all butthurt because someone uses the Putin name in vain.

Real question. What the hell is a "DeamondRat"? I can usually make sense of your gibberish, but this one has thrown me for a loop.

“DemondRat”=Democrat. Funny how a misspelled slang word sends you sideways. I love it. What hurts more? that I constantly misspell or that I’m hurling insults? The same sort of Libral pandemonium was going on here in this forum when I was saying “Libra-Tard” instead of “Lib-Tard” reminds me of Ben Affleck in the Movie (The Accountant) he would melt down if he coululdnt make the numbers add up! You guys seem to have the same reaction to bad spelling!!!!! LOVE IT.

LMAO crooked hillary had more involvement with the russians then trump.:banghead:

Patently, provably false.

Where's your source. Bribart or Fox propaganda. They won't even broadcast Fox news in the UK anymore because they have a law that says you have to be fair and balanced, so Fox lost its license.

What is a "demond"?

I know you are trying to be funny and honestly, I'd be willing to laugh, if it wasn't like trying to listen to a toddler tell you a joke.

Sure thing bud.

Was it a surprise to anyone trump believes Putin and not any of his own Made in USA, US Intelligence groups. Facebook admitted it, they turned over the Russian ads. Twitter admitted it and turned over their Russian tweets. This is solid black and white evidence, its indisputable. Yet trump believes Putin an ex KGB veteran trained in taking advantage of the gullible, like Trump. Way to make America Great Again. LOL. Isnt Trump the guy who during his campaign spouted what a currency manipulator Ghina was and how unfair. Then he gets there and now all the sudden they are very fair. Talk big in front of your crowd and completely do a 180* in person. You 'all elected the biggest two faced pussy in history. I remember this same kind of kid (as trump) in high school. The rest of us grew up.

More Mr. Moore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

Alabama Republicans still backing him. A "DemondRat" would have dumped him but not Conservative Republicans.

Bloody Wiki-leaks. You can't even trust traitors now?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...utm_source=twb

Awfully lot of leftists up in here.

What exactly do you believe happened?
After reading at least 3,4,5,6 or all the linked articles above, what do you think?
Are all the different media organizations all in this conspiracy together? Is there any chance at all that the trump group is not completely honest ?

I think its more a function of being critical of the political power of the day, especially when they so unsuitable for the role. If Hilderbeast was at the reigns I think a lot of the same people would be giving her a good kicking too.

That's my hope anyway, the whole left/right paradigm is so broken, we need to move past it.

For sure. This thread is a dumpster fire.

Sessions didn't lie about not being at a campaign meeting where Papadopolous briefed advisers on a potential DJT/Putin meeting. He just forgot to remember it. Seems reasonable, right?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...meeting-244881

How can Trump not just loathe Sessions by now? Mueller and Moore are both cut and dry Sessions' fault.

Interesting theory: Trump fires Sessions so Sessions can go back to Alabama as a write in candidate to keep the AL senate seat away from Roy Moore (who McConnell said today the senate would remove if elected).

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-senate-244906

Every time you think politics can't get crazier....

They definitely have a big mess. It would be brutal to their already slight chances of getting anything done this term if they lost Alabama to a democrat (crazy). A write in candidacy would probably split the vote and make it difficult for Sessions to even win, wouldn't you think? Especially since Moore is a super die-hard (albeit disgustingly hypocritical) christian who I doubt would respond to Trump's calls to bow out - I don't think either man cares much for the other.

lmao you think i care about your articles shove em up one spot you probably wrote them yourself for all i care some people actually have a life and have things that need to be done everyday unlike the democrats who sit on welfare/food stamps and sit on these forums like wakeworld and reddit complaining about trump like wtf hes your president if your foot is on american soil if you dont like trump and want to change something then pack your bag and gtfo here the US doesnt need you anyways.

Lol, did you have the same attitude when Obama was in office?

Who some guy who doesn't know what bathroom to use is that the one your talking about ???
When that clown was elected the republicans were dissapointed thats all and No we did not put on Pu$$y hats and start marching around destroying property and protesting we have more brains then that cant say the same for libturds always a good time to go on youtube and see their reactions after trump won lmaoooooo pure gold.

The left is being spoon fed garbage lies from mainstream media like little children and they sit there and nod like bobbleheads with no brain. Think for yourself people for once .And once some truth gets posted on here the patrolling liberals all jump in here like a pack of angry wolves ready to respond with nothing but lies they been fed with on the fake news. There all trembling in pure rage reading this and getting ready to reply mark my words.

Every whiny libturd who doesnt like trump will have "racist" come out of there mouths as the first word yet when you ask them to name one thing racist he has said or done they start fumbling around trying to bring in the travel ban and whatnot and cant name a single thing lmao what a bunch of tools.

So you don't have time to learn about anything but you seem to have very strong opinions about them.... hmmm...

No douchebag, that is the right. Only the far right would rally behind a child molester to get him elected to the US Senate. What kind of message does that send? Would you trust Roy Moore to be alone with your teenage daughter?

And I don't think Trump is a racist. I just think he's a dumbass.

Let me share some non "fake news" with you. Southern states are overwhelmingly dominated by republicans. Guess which states have the most residents on "welfare/food stamps"? That's right. Southern states.

Actually, I live in SoCal, I'm self employed my whole life. Self employed people are not allowed to collect anything (welfare, food stamps, unemployment...) from the Gov't. Ive never received a penny I didn't earn the honest way. I pay a boatload of taxes too.
So, instead of me whining about trump or listening to the biased media... ill just ask you a question. What are your thoughts on the current tax plans the senate and house are looking to make law in the USA? Simple unbiased question, no politics, no angry wolves, no name calling, no BS. What do you think?

Same (except norcal, and now hawaii, but still get to pay CA taxes woohoo).

Today, the biggest topic on the Right is how to get a child molester elected so a perjured Attorney General can resign and his replacement can fire a special prosecutor who’s discovering the president’s treason.

lol nobody gives a crap about what i think on here lmao. Anything you state on here good or bad will get you called out straight facts were all peasants here our opinion doesnt matter it is what it is.

Here is a great example of why No ONE cares about your Fake News libtard links. Front page of CBS NEWS.COM. The headline reads TRUMP PAUSES DURING REMARKS TO SIP WATER. Omg they guy to a drink of water are you kidding OMG was it Russian Evian water? Had he been doing to much pee-pee play time? What a bunch of crap? 14 mins into his speech he stops & takes a drink of water, OMG headline news for libtard snowflakes.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-p...-to-sip-water/

Did you even read the article? It's regarding his mockery of Rubio for doing the same.

Did you even read my post! LOL LOL

I guess if it’s not lies about the Obama grandmama it doesn’t pass your smell test.

Speaking of headlines, here’s one from your buddy Drudge causing internal chaos at Breitbart:

Wes what are u doing here on W/W you should be on the Tom Styers “Impeach trump” website signing the petition over and over again OR hiding in a Bunker for the Impending War Delta was taking about. Speaking of Delta (the John Wick ) of W/W I heard he was headed to Hawaii to come check you out. My advice don’t answer the door

LMAO spot on exactly every single news article irrelevant fake news.

except we need trucks and you need a licence and registration to get the truck. Gun Manufactures won't allow that much regulation on something that serves NO Purpose, other than to kill.

so I'm calling BS on this, and will blame the gun manufactures who own the NRA and keep our inept politicians in check so that they went so far as to make it easier for people with mental issues to get guns.

But hey, regular mass murder is a small price to pay to have the equipment needed for hog hunting readily available, right gun nut douchbags.

Lmaooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFile...9/85210337.jpg

The British are coming, with drones, tanks, and heat seeking missiles. Your guns will are useless and are nothing more than Very dangerous toys. They don't protect you from the government that has way better weapons, they don't protect you from the bad guys that you imagine are coming to get you, odds of you shooting yourself or a family member is WAY higher than you ever "protecting" yourself. Its a fun toy. But I'm sure that the gun nuts aren't ready to hear this and will just go back to watching Red dawn again, and dream of being as cool.

Red Dawn today would last 5 minutes, then the baddies would send out an infra-red drone and wipe out the gun toteing Wolverines.

People that cling to this 18th century thinking should be forced to use 18th century medicine.

Spoken like someone that has no clue about facts, statistics, and fbi crime data . Put your gun free sign in your picture window and stay in your safe space. Then log on to the internet and feel free to educate yourself on the fact guns have adverted and protected someone from being the victim of a violent crime more than 30 times over the number of victims from an accidental discharges from responsible gun owners.

Thanks to Obama and the left, there are more violent criminals roaming our streets than ever , and police numbers are down across the nation . I’ll definitely use my right to protect myself and my family as should everyone

Are you saying

1. That the president is responsible for the number of carjackings in Chicago, and if so,
2. that the huge increase for this year is Obama's fault?

I mean I guess you could argue that Obama had more time to focus on carjacking since he left office...

Exactly. It only took how many days for them to crush the rebels in Syria? Oh wait........

Ok, I did an internet search just like you asked. Last year there were 259 cases of justifiable homicide (self-defense) in the US. Durring that time there were also 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, there were also 232,000 guns stolen from responsible gun owners.
Since you are the statistics expert... what does that work out to?

The FBI says that guns stop crime 67,740 times a year out of the 1.2 million violent crimes a year.

So I understand that your guns make you feel safe, because my 9 year old daughter has a teddy bear that makes her feel safe. But it turns out, she's wrong, her teddy doesn't make her safe but statistically it does make her safer that your gun makes you safe. She will never have a bad day and off herself with her teddy bear.

Unfortunately singling out “ justifiable homicides “ doesn’t give you the proper data. Think about how many times someone has drawn a weapon and offenders have run off . Think about how many times a weapon was discharged only wounding someone. Your focus is too narrow. Much like the media focus when the spout crime data. Crime is down because homicides are down. Uhhhhhhhh what about carjackings, burglaries, and robberies ?

You’re also now lumping suicides in to the the mix. That’s a choice not an accident . Most likely carried out even without acces to a weapon .

As far as stolen guns ............what exactly is your point with that ? Are you blaming gun owners and basing an argument that people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns because there is a potential for them to be stolen by criminals ? Are you advocating gun owners are somehow responsible for the death at the hands of a stolen gun because a criminal illegally obtained a gun by stealing it ?

Let’s also dive into those accidental shootings......how many of those occurred in residences of “legal” “responsible” gun owners. How many occurred from gangbangers passing a gun around or leaving it unsecured in a house ? You know what else counts as accidental shootings? When an innocent is his in a drive by. Those are also reflected in those national numbers of “accidents”

While not the only factor ,


1) yes. Obama’s anti police agenda is directly related to the major increase in violent crime across the nation. It has emboldened the criminal element as you can see there and across the nation in the largest urban areas . Almost have have seen huge upticks in violent crime

2)see 1 You do realize when policies are instituted they take time to actually see their effects. Those numbers I posted reflect that .


Since you seem to think his policies and agenda are not responsible/related to the increase pointed out in those numbers , what do you attribute the significant spike too?

As long as you are also blaming Bush for the recession and giving Obama credit for the current economic expansion...

On the plus side you can now trophy hunt these bad boys and import the spoils back home with you. Thank god that wrong has been righted.

Do you not get the message? Its saying that patriots will use their right to bear arms and protect our families, properties,schools etc against the enemy i thought it was pretty easy to see that lmao. Did you say the government has better weapons ? yeah they do which they will use to destroy you if you let them thats 1 of the reasons to keep our guns.

I have to explain a meme on here:banghead:

lololol.

I agree. That elephant rule was tragic. No reason to be "hunting" one of those or any exotic animal IMO. There is no sport in it. If you don't eat it, don't kill it.

Now we are discussing Africa's laws and regulations on here loooolll talk about trying to switch the topic once you lost haha.

MAGA 2020

That was priceless.

Nicely done sir

Def screwed in Illinois . This will end up costing us more $$$

It's US law that's changed

So on the subject of “fake LibTard outrage” (Animal Eddition) Did any of you see or understand the # “dicks out for Harambie” it was popular last year and very funny . It was a group of people that were making fun of the fake liberal outrage over the killing of gorilla at the Cincinnati zoo named Harambie. The same kind of fake outrage over “Leo the lion” that was killed by a sport hunting dentist in Africa. The Libral Loons that were making death threats against the zookeeper in Cincinnati & also the dentist were hilarious.