I am still waiting for all the data and facts to disprove the fact that masks and lockdowns didn’t work.
7.5 percent of California’s population has tested positive for covid. 7.9 percent of Florida’s population has tested positive for covid. 19.0percent of New York’s population tested positive 9.4 percent of illinois population tested positive. 9 percent of Texans tested Positive 6.5 Percent population tested positive in Idaho 9.0 percent population tested positive in Wyoming 8.3 percent of population tested positive in Missouri. 9.0 percent of population tested positive in Montana Explain to me how triple masks, business closures , and basement dwelling had any effect on the outbreak...........Because the statistical data that was actually tracked for the past 8 mos says otherwise. In fact it says the complete opposite. Just look at that group above of mask mandates / closures and non mandates/ closures. Pretty simple to see. That’s cold hard recorded data. Not some projected bull**** designed to instill fear in people. Crazy how the numbers ACTUALLY LINE UP when you’re not being force fed bull**** for a political agenda. Oh yea and what’s Joe’s Grand plan he promised all his voters...his exact words Biden says nothing can change the trajectory of the Covid pandemic over the next several months Just curious if the left is now holding him accountable for the lack of response ? Still waiting for the argument form the covid fearing triple maskers on the left here on how opening our borders, aside from immigration , more so based on the fact Mexico is a top 5 country on covid infections , is great for America All we’ve heard during the pandemic from the left is don’t travel, stay inside your house ( borders) , don’t open your business( borders). Don’t go out to eat ( borders ) don’t travel to other states ( border). Flagging states for travel bans ( borders ) , no flights , ( borders ) and now anyone arriving by plane ( borders via tests ). Yet one of the first things Joey Bull**** does is open our borders and encourage people to come in from a “ hot zone” of covid . Crickets after crickets after crickets. |
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9% in Wyoming and 7.5% in California establishes what more measures can do to slow the spread in a much more densely populated state. California is only 1.6x bigger by area, but has roughly 80x more people. If California had applied Wyoming's limited measures it could've been a NY situation. Is your argument that masks, social distancing, and lock down measures cause the virus to spread or that they are just ineffective? How come you omitted South Dakota? Folks coming from MX have to test negative before admission. Should we have refused to let Ted Cruz back in too? |
xstar -- some interesting conclusions about what masks and lockdown measures did to mitigate subsequent outbreaks county by county: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...000211#fig0002
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In good old boy republican led Jacksonville, FL we have had a mask mandate for indoors since June and it was just extended through March today. Our city govt led by the republican mayor has been providing hotel rooms to homeless - hotel rooms by republicans can you believe it? Sky is falling
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See you have a problem with Trumps policies. They were pretty much non radical good for America policies. There is very little you have proposed that a middle of the road Republican can even get on board with. |
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I believe the take away is that while the virus is deadly and mostly to a smaller older population, the risk reward is skewed. Florida went a little more risk and now does not have the economic impacts other states have. Then again, Florida has a economic model that requires people to be able to socialize being a heavy tourist state. I also have to wonder if there is a general economic/ social component. For instance, living in the midwest without insurance, we did not go to the doctor for anything. I still am not a big going to the doctor kind of person, however many people will rush straight down with the slightest cough. wonder if that is a component in the stats. Much of the covid response was if the hospitals would be overflowing. If you as a society really do not go the doctor for anything, then you are less likely to fill the hospital. I am sure all the people who rushed to the hospitals in the bay area for instance, did not really require to be held and ventilated. |
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After watching a very recent public appearance of sleepy Joe stumbling almost the entire time, I can see the excuse for his fellow dems to want to play keep away with the football. Dems in power is so dangerous for this country. 2022 can’t come soon enough.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...r-capabilities |
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Have you ever heard of the “margin of error ? Those numbers pulled off the CDC site are suspect at best however illustrate a great point , there really is almost no difference. It’s minuscule. At best. There’s no doubt population density plays a factor on how many people can be infected . The argument is that these year long closures and tyranny have done almost nothing , if they truly worked , you would see a complete spike or a huge discrepancy in the numbers. Met York’s covid numbers are off the charts because Net York was ground zero for using the virus as a political weapon. My argument is simply the leftist tyranny of keeping people locked in their houses , wearing 3 masks presented almost no benefit at all long term , the numbers simply don’t justify the actual negative effects of mandated business closures , schools not being in session , the mental and financial issues damage is 10 fold any benefit you want to claim it has created. New York is responsible for a complete and utter cluster **** , The policies they implemented literally murdered people. Yet we’ve heard no lefties come out and call for heads of those involved. Where is all the outrage, attacks , and movements from all those holding NY politicos and experts who were caught flat out lying to be put in prison ? Oh that’s right. Their all dems. Nothing to see here. Not their fault. It was Trumps fault. So you point out exactly what we on the right have been saying for the year. Population density, geography , and demographics matter ,,, so why would one want national policies to handle something that is based on locale ? Why would one be screaming for a year about a single policy to save us all? It’s simply bull**** , this was and always shoulda been a state/city regulated approach . Those regulated approaches have failed everyone on a grand scale in major democratic areas . The stats don’t lie. . How long do we live like this , what is an acceptable infectious rate ? Why do people whom have had covid recently , or got the shot need to mask up , science says they don’t need to ? When do businesses get to operate at full capacity ? When do kids return to school less than 1% infectious rate has been held at schools that have remained fully open . We’ve been fed a bunch lies, predicted nonsense, and spewed garbage theory for the purpose of politics. The data says so |
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Per capita cases in flyover country / rural counties are quite high, which suggests that if you are right they are probably even higher than the data reveal because most people won't even go get tested. Deaths also seem to be higher per capita in rural states than the coasts (save for the initial east-coast outbreak states that got hammered). But that's not scientific, just be playing with the data. You are probably right that better medical care / access to medical care is going to result in more hospitalizations per capita (and hopefully better treatment outcomes) vs. not going to the doctor for any reason. |
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I don’t dispute California’s tryrannical government’s iron fist had an effect on numbers. What I do dispute is the effectiveness of those rules as opposed to the destruction of peoples lives and mental health. Since you bring up Wyoming’s numbers let’s assess the huge discrepancy in medical facilities scattered around Wyoming , let’s address the immediate accessibly in times of Emergency , let’s address the funding discrepancies in both states , the facilitie , let’s also address the mindset of an overwhelming majority of Wyoming people being self sufficient . You don’t think those play huge roles in their numbers ? Since you want to point to Wyoming , let’s point to Florida. 2nd in At risk population. Death rate Of Florida .0013 % Death rate California .0012. Much in line with rest of the nation. Again Florida 2nd in the nation of at risk individuals for death , loosest covid restrictions. People can focus on the scare tactics of 500k deaths this , people dead that. At the end of the day the death rate is 1/10th of 1 percent . It’s deaths are unequivocally associated with a certain at risk population number. Positivity rates are a mute point. Average healthy Americans simply don’t die after contracting the virus at alarming rates, children rarely contract the virus at all. The simple logical approach mentioned numerous times here would be to address the at risk population , devise an effective plan to combat that targeted group , and treat the rest of Americans like adults with their own minds . Instead it was used as a political weapon to instill false fear across America while turning states and cities into communist no go zones for an election cycle. You tell me why an entire economy and way of life should be destroyed over something with a .001 death rate across this nation. We’ve been dealing with the flu for decades. Even with modern medical tech and multiple vaccines 25,000 Americans die from flu virus , we didn’t count those that died of flu related consequences like they do covid deaths , so that number could effectively be very low and realistically if counted like covid deaths be much higher . Perspective .001 chance of death from a virus( America as a whole) , Clearly exponentially less if you’re an average healthy American and clearly more if your an at risk person. What’s the percentage of the at risk population in America? 14percent of America’s population is over 65 . It’s been estimated 80 percent of all covid deaths are people over the age of 65. Of that 14 percent how many of those individuals possess pre exiting conditions ? The CDC itself reports of those covid deaths over the age of 65 , over 90 percent of those individuals had pre- existing severe medical conditions they were already battling. . These are the on paper stats , not some fictional political game made up of bull**** . So you tell me why everyday Americans were told they can’t go to work , cant’t open their business, can’t attend school , can’t play sports , can’t live life , and can’t be productive and go about their daily lives without a wet sock on their face ? Let’s compare the death totals of your 18-55 aged America’s to those that lost their business , families , way of life, education, and mental stability. 20 percent of the covid deaths belong to those under the age of 55. That’s 100,000 Americans. Of those 100,000 Americans over 92 percent of that age group that experienced death as a result of covid so that’s 18,000 healthy Americans taken as a result of covid. How many jobs were lost, how many business will never come back as a result of nonsensical policies structured around the political push for an election? Millions that’s right millions. How many kids mental and physical health has been impacted negatively , millions , how many families are struggling to put food on their table because of trynaical Policies that have impacted them negatively , millions. |
LOOKS like CUOMO likes to play cards and attack women, Lets see the outrage from the left. Bring it. please let me hear the outrage, the crucifixion must come now.
did he do it? based on the new rules, he's guilty guilty guilty. even if he didn't thats the new left world order. Remember Kavanaugh |
**** Cuomo, he should be in jail for his covid resthome response. The media running cover for him is typical BS.
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That being said, thinking that normal lefties think the nonsense promoted by main steam media is the truth is a mistake. People left of centre and right of centre have much more in common than what most people are lead to believe. |
Whoops. Biden let’s the ol N bomb drop while fumbling and stuttering through another speech. Only this one to the world. Could imagine the cancel culture riots that would be taking place if that was Trump.
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And so hateful in context too. [emoji849] he’d better coffefe himself bigly. |
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If what has been reported is true, I dont think Cuomo has much political life left. Stick a fork in him. Dems are much better at policing themselves, didnt the one guy, Franken resign because a decade old pic of him not touching anything? |
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Uh, we’ve all read the drug-induced rants from our resident jester, 95 saying the msm is not even biased, so there’s that. I also don’t think us sane ones on the right share much common ground with the evil fools on the left. Just look at the platforms of each side. It’s clear good vs evil. Americana on the right vs two guys butt humping, wanting to take the money you just earned and hand it to illegal aliens while worshipping Mother Earth on the left. That pretty much sums it up. |
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Nice try....... NOT! Smoke another bowl, you waste of protoplasm. |
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Its like telling your grandpa to climb on the roof and clean the gutters. You know its going to end badly. |
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Oh gee, who’d a thunk this? A NYT reporter has decided to tell the truth about the TDS-caused shutdowns that were blamed on the Kung flu. He better watch his wake77 or risk getting cancelled by his own party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/o...-children.html |
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In my county schools have been kinda open since august. Elementary full time, and middle and HS half in person half remote. It's far from non-pandemic ideal, but it's been way better than full-remote. I have many educator friends and even the one who was most vocal about "you're gonna kill us" by putting teachers back in the classroom, concedes that it's kinda working now. |
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Nary a butt humper or illegal alien to be seen... |
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The newsworthy part of this is the open acknowledgement from some on the left that it was done for political reasons only. A testament to how purely evil your party is. |
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I wonder how many pallets of cash Biden has or will be sending to Iran.
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One could argue that the cold war was a huge waste of time too. Were Korea and Viet Nam worth it in hindsight? The cold war? The war on terror? The "remove your shoes for safety theater of the absurd" at the airport? |
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Maybe you'll like it maybe you won't, but I'd suggest giving Mike Pesca's podcast The Gist a listen every once in a while to get a feel for what a moderate dem sounds like. Or watch Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday for a policy oriented grilling of folks from both sides of the aisle. The infotainment programs on all of the networks are 95% garbage (Maddow / Cuomo / Hannity etc). |
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I haven't watched Fox ever since election night. They pretty much suck. I mostly read and watch local news, but what I really watch a lot is Drybar Comedy on YouTube. Friggin funny people that are clean. |
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Really maybe nailed it thinking yesterday. This whole "shut down" thing was so hospitals were not overloaded. Seems to me like it is the democrat states that don't have hospitals. We only have on general hospital and a kaiser to service a couple hundred thousand people where I live and then if you go on the other side of the hill the is even fewer per capita. I can only think of 3 to service maybe 6 to 10 towns and only 1 trauma center for our area and that area with maybe nearly a million people. In the midwest every moderate town has their own hospital. We had 19,000 people and had one that had 5 or 6 stories tall. California has been shutting down hospitals for years due to being overrun by illegals that could not pay. Have to treat them. It is the law. |
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I have always said this and it is true. An organization that is formed to meet some goal always turns radical once the goal is achieved. Why? Because once you build and organization, people like to get paid and have stability. So they have to find something to go after once the usually more reasonable objective is met. The democrat party has moved radical a long time ago. It is just a name. workers rights are in place. Lucky for them, the Republicans got rid of slavery and jim crow laws for them. There is no moderate democrat party. That is why you have all you trinket wanters running around making deals with outright Marxists to get your shinny object. |
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It's pretty easy to see things your way if you ignore contradictory facts. |
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Like I was saying earlier, it’s only now that your puppet got in that you acknowledge the facts that the shutdowns were bad and primarily politically motivated. |
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I’ll ask for the 12th or so time. What numbers do we need to get to to open the country back up for ? Fauci was just quoted a saying no restaurants or movies theaters should be open even for people with vaccines . |
Trump in office for 4 years. Not a single war started. Biden in office for less than 2 months and we are launching missiles to Syria chasing down Iranian militants , you know from the country he wants to join back up with. Remember when all the snowflakes and libtards were screaming saying Trump was going to start WWIII and start bombing and nuking everyone. ?????? Oh wait. Turns out it was quite the opposite...... 4 yrs of some of the most peaceful times and relationships with other countries. Guy didn’t enter a single war and brought our troops home.
Biden begins his campaign ............our own soil gets burned to the ground and looted for months in his name and cause , businesses are forced to not operate with his blessing for 8months , he then eliminates 1000’s of high paying US jobs with the swipe of a pen as his first move in officer .........now he’s launching missiles, getting the US involved back into the Middle East . Holy Balls !!!!!!!! |
Xstar you are a master of spin! You should look for a communications job once you reach retirement age. I really like how you spin Trump as peaceful and yet blame all of the civil unrest that occurred during his tenure on Biden (who must actually be a master of guerrilla warfare, being able to direct so many nationwide protests from his basement and all).
And trumps missile attack on Syria was probably Obama’s fault, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017...missile_strike |
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How can you prove the negative, xstar? Who knows, maybe the mini baby boom resulting from the initial lockdown will result in the birth of a terrible leader the likes of which the world has never known. Or the next messiah. I don’t envy the public health folks. It’s their fault when things go wrong, and when they are successful then they were crying wolf. Actually as a cop I would think you’d be tuned into that sort of paradox. See your defund the police posts in recent months. Do you have a link to the fauci quote? I haven’t seen that. EDIT: have you been vax’d yet xstar? Just curious. |
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Hey where’s my $2,000 Biden promised me I would get immediately if he got into office? C’mon, man!
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Whoops! The tweets from Biden and his press sec. didn’t age so well.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ria-airstrikes |
Aumf is definitely a valid criticism. And is reflective of congress’s abdication of its authority.
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Another whoops. Looks like the dems are giving a pass to that greasy guido, cuomo for allegations stemming from his own people after trying to deny due process and ruining Brett K’s life. What is it with the left’s enormous and constant amount of hypocrisy and double standards?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new...rats-kavanaugh |
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So what is it about you low-life democrats that causes your perversion and deviancies? Here, we have yet another dem busted for Toobin on Zoom.....and right after working with children no less.
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So is there a real policy problem with the strikes from your perspective? Are you OK with the current AUMF? |
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I feel like you have just discovered that people in public life often have often made contradictory statements which come back to haunt them. Is it hypocritical of you not to recognize that Trump had the same problem with his old tweets? I don’t remember you roasting him for that? |
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Douche nugget. |
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https://apnews.com/article/us-saudi-...09f5ee09ae7f9d https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...gi-rage-2020-9 Trump 2024! |
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And... it appears Trump did what he does quite well, cover up, this time for a murder.
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I simply posted the factual statistics. You still haven’t answered a single question. What numbers do we need to reach since .001 is not acceptable ? What numbers are you comfortable with living with an infections disease ? Because clearly less than 1 /10th of a percent is nightmare pandemic hide in your basement and don’t leave territory. The fact is chances of death are even much less if you’re out of the high risk category. It’s a very targeted at risk category and the response has been anything but. Why is that the 99.999 percent of Americans not morbidly effected by a virus don’t matter ? I’ll give you some more cold hard data. 1700 officers assigned to the building I am in. I’d be generous if I said 15 percent wear masks during their tour of duty. It’s a huge safety hazard for us while patrol. ( I can already hear the snowflakes screaming ). About the only people wearing them religiously are the civilians that have the most contact with officers handing out radios , car keys and equipment daily. Of the 10 civilians 8 have had covid. Of the 1700 officers assigned 107 have tested positive. That’s it. The military did actual group testing. I posted the results from they data. It was almost statistically insignificant whether you you were in the group with masks or group without on whether you caught it. Again 3 percent the average difference between test groups in a controlled environment. Again I am not spinning anything. Those are the facts. It should scare you, and the fact you think it’s truly spin should be a giant red flag of understanding whats truly going on. Why do you believe reading actual data , posting it , and pointing out the actual facts is spin? Spin isn’t painting the true picture of what’s actually going on to the false narrative you’re being led to believe. I have not taken the vaccine. Nor do I intend to unless forced as part of requirements. I’d rather give my dose to someone who truly needs it. I got the flu shot once. It was recommended by my dr fit my circumstance at the time. Also was a year the experts says was going to be record flu year. It was the only year I’ve ever had the flu , never got another one. Have never had flu. And I used to touch some nasty individuals daily. The fact that so many medical experts have so many different opinions and only one opinion is rammed down our throats should also raise eyebrows. As far as civil unrest spin , again facts. The fact it occurred under Trump hades no bearing on who led the push for it , supported it , and ran on a platform of speaking in its favor. Numerous dems have spoken in support of the actions that occurred all summer. There’s no denying the news clips of the highest ranking dem politicos encouraging it to the nation. For ****scsake Kamala was proud to be bailing them out of jail . Furthermore Trump tried to handle it , send in federal resources ( you know like the dems all of sudden we’re crying for at the Capitol) but at every turn democratic leaders blocked him from sending the federal resources to handle It. They’re on record doing it while their cities burn. No impeachment trials fit them tho. Trump denounced BLM as a terrorist organization daily was at the pulpit daily stating these people need to go to jail. Meanwhile dems were bailing them out with their money. Claiming Trump was somehow responsible for the civil unrest that occurred in the country and is still occurring is ridiculous. There is no denying almost every group that burned And looted did it as “protest “ to Trump . So I guess by den standards that means he’s responsible for the people themselves aren’t. Neither is the party encouraging and supporting the actions with rhetoric and cash. |
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